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Re: L00 Heavy 10 Toolroom for Sale

Bill in OKC too
 

Wish I could be in the market, but I couldn't afford a $150 Atlas/Craftsman 12" lathe in Colorado on one of my other groups today.

Wish you good luck finding it a good home!

Bill in OKC

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019, 1:53:57 PM CST, John Fischer <n2nu@...> wrote:


All

 

Speaking of L00

 

I have a 1972 Heavy 10 3 ½ foot bed toolroom lathe that I would like to find a new loving owner for.  I got it from my employer when they went out of business and it has been sitting – I feel guilty when I walk by that it is not in use.

 

Catalog is CLK8187, it has flame hardened ways, L00 spindle, taper attachment(standard on toolroom) and 3 phase motor.  I have not fired it up in a little while, but it was all working when I got it from my company – I used it for light machine work and it originally came out of a college shop.  Condition is very nice with original finish.  I have some goodies to go with it, Aloris AXA toolpost and some holders, I can probably come up with a chuck or two.  I have some 5C collets and a closer for a threaded spindle machine, so it needs a longer piece machined to work with the L00.  I meant to do this right at the time the company shut down abruptly.  Probably a few other things as well, I need to take some pictures and take stock of everything.

 

I am located in central NJ.  If you contact me off list, I would be happy to send pictures and talk to you more about it.  I have not listed this machine anywhere, I am coming to this group first

 

Regards

John

 

 

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:23 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Heavy Ten conversion to L00

 

Looks much better than mine!

 

I probably have room for it and my other two lathes, the shaper, and a bunch of other stuff, but I also have too much stuff for the space I'm trying to fit it into. :)

 

Ten pounds of crap in a 5# bag, so to speak. I do hope it looks as good as yours, and functions well when I'm done. I've wanted a South Bend lathe since my senior year of high school. Had it a bit over a year, but hit some snags in working on it. Trying to get those mostly ironed out this next week or so.

 

It spent some time in a leaky barn before my friend decided he wasn't going to have time to fix it and everything else he's working on. The current SB equivalent lists for $10k. I got it for less than a tenth of that, and some sweat equity. The tailstock, saddle, and two 5c collet holders have been derusted. Need some citristrip, painting, and reassembly, and a good temp & humidity-controlled storage while I deal with the bed, two gearboxes, headstock, taper attachment, and the separate turret tailstock. 

 

Yes. I have been known to bite off more than I can chew..😁

 

Bill in OKC

 

 

 

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

 

 

On Saturday, November 30, 2019, 03:52:32 PM CST, wlw19958 <wlw-19958@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi There,

As promised, here are a couple of pics of my disreputable lathe.




Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb


L00 Heavy 10 Toolroom for Sale

John Fischer
 

All

 

Speaking of L00

 

I have a 1972 Heavy 10 3 ½ foot bed toolroom lathe that I would like to find a new loving owner for.  I got it from my employer when they went out of business and it has been sitting – I feel guilty when I walk by that it is not in use.

 

Catalog is CLK8187, it has flame hardened ways, L00 spindle, taper attachment(standard on toolroom) and 3 phase motor.  I have not fired it up in a little while, but it was all working when I got it from my company – I used it for light machine work and it originally came out of a college shop.  Condition is very nice with original finish.  I have some goodies to go with it, Aloris AXA toolpost and some holders, I can probably come up with a chuck or two.  I have some 5C collets and a closer for a threaded spindle machine, so it needs a longer piece machined to work with the L00.  I meant to do this right at the time the company shut down abruptly.  Probably a few other things as well, I need to take some pictures and take stock of everything.

 

I am located in central NJ.  If you contact me off list, I would be happy to send pictures and talk to you more about it.  I have not listed this machine anywhere, I am coming to this group first

 

Regards

John

 

 

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:23 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Heavy Ten conversion to L00

 

Looks much better than mine!

 

I probably have room for it and my other two lathes, the shaper, and a bunch of other stuff, but I also have too much stuff for the space I'm trying to fit it into. :)

 

Ten pounds of crap in a 5# bag, so to speak. I do hope it looks as good as yours, and functions well when I'm done. I've wanted a South Bend lathe since my senior year of high school. Had it a bit over a year, but hit some snags in working on it. Trying to get those mostly ironed out this next week or so.

 

It spent some time in a leaky barn before my friend decided he wasn't going to have time to fix it and everything else he's working on. The current SB equivalent lists for $10k. I got it for less than a tenth of that, and some sweat equity. The tailstock, saddle, and two 5c collet holders have been derusted. Need some citristrip, painting, and reassembly, and a good temp & humidity-controlled storage while I deal with the bed, two gearboxes, headstock, taper attachment, and the separate turret tailstock. 

 

Yes. I have been known to bite off more than I can chew..😁

 

Bill in OKC

 

 

 

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

 

 

On Saturday, November 30, 2019, 03:52:32 PM CST, wlw19958 <wlw-19958@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi There,

As promised, here are a couple of pics of my disreputable lathe.




Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb


Grizzly SB Heavy Ten

John Dammeyer
 

Out of curiosity, how does the Grizzly heavy 10 compare with let's say the single lever gear box version from 1942.  It now has the CAM Lock and still has power cross feed.

SB1007 - Heavy 10, 10" x 30" Gearhead Lathe

https://www.grizzly.com/products/South-Bend-Heavy-10-10-x-30-Gearhead-Lathe/SB1007

 


Re: Heavy Ten conversion to L00

eddie.draper@btinternet.com
 

Couldn't agree more!  The chucks on our 14.5" are just about on my personal limit for lifting & screwing into place, and I've had more than enough cases of them getting stuck despite doing everything properly.  Give me a Camlock any day.

Eddie

On Monday, 2 December 2019, 16:36:32 GMT, comstock_friend <jfriend314@...> wrote:


Guenther Paul wrote:
Nov 28   #102143  

"Why would one  waist all the this time to convert. I bean in machining over 50 years never had a chuck come of in reverse. Yes i machined in reverse many times never had a problem. The chuck was installed properly."

My SB 13" came from the factory with a D1-4 camlock. Chucks on this size lathe are starting to get heavy. Starting the threads of a heavy chuck on a threaded spindle can get to be a pain. Much easier to mount and switch on the more modern mounts. Additionally, the heavier chucks have much more inertia than the little guys on something like a 9" or 10" South Bend, so more danger if instant reversed. Then there's the issue with stuck chucks on threaded spindles, damaged threads, poor registers, etc, etc...

Best reason though is Webb's comment "all my other working lathes have L00 spindles.  Rather than buying more chucks, I decided to convert this Heavy Ten over to L00 for uniformity"

YMMV

John


Re: Heavy Ten conversion to L00

comstock_friend
 

Guenther Paul wrote:
Nov 28   

"Why would one  waist all the this time to convert. I bean in machining over 50 years never had a chuck come of in reverse. Yes i machined in reverse many times never had a problem. The chuck was installed properly."

My SB 13" came from the factory with a D1-4 camlock. Chucks on this size lathe are starting to get heavy. Starting the threads of a heavy chuck on a threaded spindle can get to be a pain. Much easier to mount and switch on the more modern mounts. Additionally, the heavier chucks have much more inertia than the little guys on something like a 9" or 10" South Bend, so more danger if instant reversed. Then there's the issue with stuck chucks on threaded spindles, damaged threads, poor registers, etc, etc...

Best reason though is Webb's comment "all my other working lathes have L00 spindles.  Rather than buying more chucks, I decided to convert this Heavy Ten over to L00 for uniformity"

YMMV

John


Re: Heavy Ten Reversing Tumbler

Mike Ritchey
 

That is what the reversing tumbler oiler is on my 1954 Heavy Ten.  5/16ths - 32tpi with two flats on the extended shaft. (a 7mm wrench will fit the flats but it is more like 9/32").  Overall length is 2.5 inches.

Cheers, Mike Ritchey
 


Re: Heavy Ten Reversing Tumbler

Bill in OKC too
 

I have a set at home, and had my work buy another set for me to use at work. Love LH drill bits! Fortunately, you got lucky this time, but next time may not be so lucky.

This is the cheapest set I saw on Amazon, not necessarily the best set, but it could be a good starting point:

https://www.amazon.com/OEMTOOLS-25771-Five-Piece-Handed-Titanium/dp/B0014WH9AC/ref=sr_1_29?crid=3EGHUMQ4DUZUJ&keywords=lh+drill+bit+set&qid=1575236545&sprefix=LH+drill+%2Caps%2C194&sr=8-29

HTH!

Bill in OKC

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)

On Sunday, December 1, 2019, 3:31:31 PM CST, wlw19958 <wlw-19958@...> wrote:


Hi There,

I had a chance to work on the reversing tumbler today.  
Here is what it currently looks like:

As you can see, the nut and threaded nub of one of the gear
shafts (SBL calls it a Stud) is broken off.  That piece fell out
when I removed the tumbler from the headstock.  Here is the
offending area:



I removed the two twin gears and went and got my number drills
out to find the one that fit the inside of the broken off part.  Then
I had some good fortune.  While I was testing different size drill
bits to find the one that fit, I noticed the broken off part would turn!
I put a bit into the center hole and while turning it by hand with some
side pressure, I walked the broken part out.  (This is why I want a set
of heft-hand drill bits; to unscrew broken pieces).  So I got the piece
out in good condition:



I checked the thread pitch and it is NOT 27-NPT.  It is actually 32 tpi as you can see:



I will have to see what I can make for a replacement.  I still have to fix the twin gear
stud shaft too.

Thanks Again for the Help!
-Blue Chips-
Webb


Re: Heavy Ten Reversing Tumbler

wlw19958
 

Hi There,

I had a chance to work on the reversing tumbler today.  
Here is what it currently looks like:

As you can see, the nut and threaded nub of one of the gear
shafts (SBL calls it a Stud) is broken off.  That piece fell out
when I removed the tumbler from the headstock.  Here is the
offending area:



I removed the two twin gears and went and got my number drills
out to find the one that fit the inside of the broken off part.  Then
I had some good fortune.  While I was testing different size drill
bits to find the one that fit, I noticed the broken off part would turn!
I put a bit into the center hole and while turning it by hand with some
side pressure, I walked the broken part out.  (This is why I want a set
of heft-hand drill bits; to unscrew broken pieces).  So I got the piece
out in good condition:



I checked the thread pitch and it is NOT 27-NPT.  It is actually 32 tpi as you can see:



I will have to see what I can make for a replacement.  I still have to fix the twin gear
stud shaft too.

Thanks Again for the Help!
-Blue Chips-
Webb


Re: Heavy Ten Reversing Tumbler

Bill in OKC too
 

Stuff like this is what these groups are all about. I've been hanging out on Yahoo groups and then to Groups.io for about ten years now. Helped keep me as sane as I've ever been when I got sick a decade ago, gave me things to do while I recovered, and has surely informed the heck out of me! Can't pay back, so try to pay forward and keep the chain going!

Bill in OKC

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)


On Sunday, December 1, 2019, 11:36:26 AM CST, wlw19958 <wlw-19958@...> wrote:


Hi There,

Bill, thanks for you response.  My apron has those same type oilers
and the right-hand one is missing its spring loaded cap.  It is longer
to reach over the half-nuts.  It is designed to deliver oil to a trough
cast into the upper half-nut where a hole directs it to the leadscrew.

Thanks George for your information.  According to the CE3458 Parts
Manual, all of the lathes (Heavy Ten and larger) use the same oiler.  I
expected it to be threaded but was surprised that it was a pipe thread.

Hi Roger.  Your suggestion is pretty much what my plan is.  I wanted to
drill it to make it thinner (and hence, easier to collapse) but I needed to
know the thread size so as to prevent drilling too much.

Thank you all for responding!
-Blue Chips-
Webb


Re: Heavy Ten Reversing Tumbler

wlw19958
 

Hi There,

Bill, thanks for you response.  My apron has those same type oilers
and the right-hand one is missing its spring loaded cap.  It is longer
to reach over the half-nuts.  It is designed to deliver oil to a trough
cast into the upper half-nut where a hole directs it to the leadscrew.

Thanks George for your information.  According to the CE3458 Parts
Manual, all of the lathes (Heavy Ten and larger) use the same oiler.  I
expected it to be threaded but was surprised that it was a pipe thread.

Hi Roger.  Your suggestion is pretty much what my plan is.  I wanted to
drill it to make it thinner (and hence, easier to collapse) but I needed to
know the thread size so as to prevent drilling too much.

Thank you all for responding!
-Blue Chips-
Webb


Re: Heavy Ten Reversing Tumbler

Roger Bickers
 

If IRC, on my 1941 187, that long oil tube on the reversing lever is threaded.  If you have the threaded portion stuck inside the hole, why not gently collaspe it with a punch and then take an unobsquered view? It sure won't hurt anything. Just my thing and a sure way not to damage any threads that may be in there by trying to reverse it out. Good luck! Roger 


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 10:42 AM, George Meinschein
<bustedguns@...> wrote:
I just looked a little closer and I see that the outboard end of the tube is counterbored. Tube OAL is 2-1/8". I think the non-threaded end was counterbored to accept a plain old press-in GITS oiler. 

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

   

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 9:51 AM George Meinschein <bustedguns@...> wrote:
Since the cap is missing from the one on the reverse tumbler on my 14.5", I figured now would be a good time to check that out. I think the 10L is the same. Mine is a heavy wall 5/16" OD tube with 1/16"-27 NPT on the end and it has two wrench flats. 

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

   

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 1:57 AM Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Looks to me like they're pressed or maybe soldered in. Mine is mashed so I'm not really sure. So I went and looked, and took a photo. There are actually two of them on my apron. One on the left side is pressed it. I was able to pull it out, and put it back in. One on the right is the one that's mashed, and it's also pressed in, and perhaps soldered to a tube that reaches to the other side of the apron. Looks like it should drip on the shaft or gears there. Mine is a Model 8187-RN, with a 100 in the box for the apron. Don't know if that info will help, and it's old enough it may not even be the original apron. 

HTH!

 Bill in OKC


Re: Heavy Ten Reversing Tumbler

George Meinschein
 

I just looked a little closer and I see that the outboard end of the tube is counterbored. Tube OAL is 2-1/8". I think the non-threaded end was counterbored to accept a plain old press-in GITS oiler. 

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

   

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 9:51 AM George Meinschein <bustedguns@...> wrote:
Since the cap is missing from the one on the reverse tumbler on my 14.5", I figured now would be a good time to check that out. I think the 10L is the same. Mine is a heavy wall 5/16" OD tube with 1/16"-27 NPT on the end and it has two wrench flats. 

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

   

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 1:57 AM Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Looks to me like they're pressed or maybe soldered in. Mine is mashed so I'm not really sure. So I went and looked, and took a photo. There are actually two of them on my apron. One on the left side is pressed it. I was able to pull it out, and put it back in. One on the right is the one that's mashed, and it's also pressed in, and perhaps soldered to a tube that reaches to the other side of the apron. Looks like it should drip on the shaft or gears there. Mine is a Model 8187-RN, with a 100 in the box for the apron. Don't know if that info will help, and it's old enough it may not even be the original apron. 

HTH!

 Bill in OKC


Re: Heavy Ten Reversing Tumbler

George Meinschein
 

Since the cap is missing from the one on the reverse tumbler on my 14.5", I figured now would be a good time to check that out. I think the 10L is the same. Mine is a heavy wall 5/16" OD tube with 1/16"-27 NPT on the end and it has two wrench flats. 

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

   

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 1:57 AM Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Looks to me like they're pressed or maybe soldered in. Mine is mashed so I'm not really sure. So I went and looked, and took a photo. There are actually two of them on my apron. One on the left side is pressed it. I was able to pull it out, and put it back in. One on the right is the one that's mashed, and it's also pressed in, and perhaps soldered to a tube that reaches to the other side of the apron. Looks like it should drip on the shaft or gears there. Mine is a Model 8187-RN, with a 100 in the box for the apron. Don't know if that info will help, and it's old enough it may not even be the original apron. 

HTH!

 Bill in OKC


Re: Heavy Ten Reversing Tumbler

Bill in OKC too
 

Looks to me like they're pressed or maybe soldered in. Mine is mashed so I'm not really sure. So I went and looked, and took a photo. There are actually two of them on my apron. One on the left side is pressed it. I was able to pull it out, and put it back in. One on the right is the one that's mashed, and it's also pressed in, and perhaps soldered to a tube that reaches to the other side of the apron. Looks like it should drip on the shaft or gears there. Mine is a Model 8187-RN, with a 100 in the box for the apron. Don't know if that info will help, and it's old enough it may not even be the original apron. 

HTH!

 Bill in OKC


Heavy Ten Reversing Tumbler

wlw19958
 

Hi There,

I have to fix the reversing tumbler on my Heavy Ten.
In particular, the oiler tube has broken off in the casting
and I don't know how these were attached originally
(whether threaded or pressed in).  If they were threaded,
could someone tell me the thread size and pitch used?

Thanks in advanced for your help!
-Blue Chips-
Webb


Re: Heavy Ten conversion to L00

wlw19958
 

Hi There, 

Awesome job.  Are you going to paint it?

John Dammeyer


At present, I have no plans to paint it.  This is a workin' lathe.
It was painted an ugly green but I have remove most of it during
the cleaning and re-hab process.

Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb


Re: Heavy Ten conversion to L00

Bill in OKC too
 

Looks much better than mine!

I probably have room for it and my other two lathes, the shaper, and a bunch of other stuff, but I also have too much stuff for the space I'm trying to fit it into. :)

Ten pounds of crap in a 5# bag, so to speak. I do hope it looks as good as yours, and functions well when I'm done. I've wanted a South Bend lathe since my senior year of high school. Had it a bit over a year, but hit some snags in working on it. Trying to get those mostly ironed out this next week or so.

It spent some time in a leaky barn before my friend decided he wasn't going to have time to fix it and everything else he's working on. The current SB equivalent lists for $10k. I got it for less than a tenth of that, and some sweat equity. The tailstock, saddle, and two 5c collet holders have been derusted. Need some citristrip, painting, and reassembly, and a good temp & humidity-controlled storage while I deal with the bed, two gearboxes, headstock, taper attachment, and the separate turret tailstock. 

Yes. I have been known to bite off more than I can chew..😁

Bill in OKC



A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)


On Saturday, November 30, 2019, 03:52:32 PM CST, wlw19958 <wlw-19958@...> wrote:


Hi There,

As promised, here are a couple of pics of my disreputable lathe.




Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb


Re: Heavy Ten conversion to L00

John Dammeyer
 

Awesome job.  Are you going to paint it?

John Dammeyer

 

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of wlw19958
Sent: November-30-19 1:52 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Heavy Ten conversion to L00

 

Hi There,

As promised, here are a couple of pics of my disreputable lathe.




Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb


Re: Heavy Ten conversion to L00

wlw19958
 

Hi There,

As promised, here are a couple of pics of my disreputable lathe.




Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb


Re: Heavy Ten conversion to L00

wlw19958
 

Hi There,

I finished assembling the headstock and mounted onto the bed today.
I adjusted the bearing clearances and ran the lathe at all speeds to
check for heating and all checked out good.  It is late here and I'll take
some pics tomorrow but I did mount my 3-jaw chuck and took some
heavy cuts to check for chatter and it performed flawlessly.  I am very
please with it. 

Thanks again Dave for your help.  I am curios about your rebuild and
how much it is costing you.

Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb