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Heavy Ten Large Dials

Steve Wells
 


Re: Southbend Model A

Michael Maurice
 

There is a ridge on the v ways where the saddle rides, the ways for tailstock / headstock look pretty good at least from a preliminary visual inspection, I have not made any measurements yet using  a test rod, but saddle ways are clearly ridged.  I am taking the lathe back from my shop in Vt to shop in Austin Texas in December so I can take it apart and start to rebuild it.   

So far needs at least two things, fix the saddle ways perhaps with a bed swap (hence looking at the model c bed /saddle swap) or possibly have the ways reground (I don't know what this costs yet, but I suspect it will be expensive).    

2nd issues is reduce the play in the cross slide and compound slide.  I have a pm1236 in texas so I can rebuild the screws/bushings or even make completely new screws.  Once done I want to bring the lathe back for my shop in Vt. 




Re: Southbend Model A

carbure2003
 

Swap can be done in home shop. Depending on the level of wear on the saddle, it can be laborious.
Is there a ridge on the dliding surfaces on your saddle?

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You should keep the saddle with the bed, which generally means you want to keep the cross slide and gib too. Everything else could be swapped, in theory. Note that some Model C beds have a ridge on the lower edge that interferes with the power feed apron, so you might have to clearance that.

allan
On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 4:59 PM, md2756@gmail.com [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Question, can I swap the ways from a Southbend model c to my Southbend model a. Found a model c with excellent ways (pristine) so I would like to use them on my model a.

thanks mikem.



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Re: Southbend Model A

Michael Maurice
 

So let me ask another question, how difficult would it be to repair the v ways under the saddle on a model a.

Can I do this myself in my own shop.

thanks mikem


Re: Southbend Model A

Michael Maurice
 

thanks for the feedback, not sure if I will do this.  

mikem


Re: Southbend Model A

carbure2003
 

If you can use model c saddle. Otherwise, ensure uou re scrape your saddle to the new bed.

Gear box will be missing a screw. If you have a milling mChine big enoug, it can be drilled.

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Date: 13 Oct 2017 20:59:34 +0000



Question, can I swap the ways from a Southbend model c to my Southbend model a. Found a model c with excellent ways (pristine) so I would like to use them on my model a.

thanks mikem.

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Re: Southbend Model A

john kling
 

A minor point the model A has an additional  hole drilled in the bed to secure the QC box. While not a large matter the hold is drilled in lart through the v way making drilling the hole a bit of a problem.


On Friday, October 13, 2017 5:23 PM, "Paolo Amedeo machineshop@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]" wrote:


 
I guess that you refer to the whole bed, otherwise it sounds a bit painful.
Anyhow, the answer is "more or less yes": As far as I recall, especially if the C bed is from the early years of production, you probably need to file/grind the bed in a few spots in order to properly fit the quick change gear box.
Another thing to keep in mind is that bed and saddle wear together and that the saddle wears more than the bed. By just switching the bed (versus switching bed and saddle together) you risk that the fit is fairly lousy and the lathe behaves worse with the new bed than did with the old one, at least for the first five or ten years.
The proper way of doing it would be to machine and hand scrape the saddle to the new bed. Possibly, you'll need to add wear strips (Rulon, Turcite, or Moglice putty, etc.) to re-establish the proper distance between the rack and the pinion. But, even without "shimming" the saddle, you'll have less gap with the new bed compared to the old one.
Unless you're also changing bushings in the apron, gearbox and leadscrew support, I don't think it is worth worrying about leadscrew misalignment, since the current bushing have worn themselves into alignment.
Paolo

On 10/13/2017 4:59 PM, md2756@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] wrote:
 
Question, can I swap  the ways from a Southbend model  c to my Southbend model a.  Found a model c with excellent ways (pristine) so I would like to use them on my model a.

thanks mikem.




Re: Southbend Model A

Paolo Amedeo
 

I guess that you refer to the whole bed, otherwise it sounds a bit painful.

Anyhow, the answer is "more or less yes": As far as I recall, especially if the C bed is from the early years of production, you probably need to file/grind the bed in a few spots in order to properly fit the quick change gear box.

Another thing to keep in mind is that bed and saddle wear together and that the saddle wears more than the bed. By just switching the bed (versus switching bed and saddle together) you risk that the fit is fairly lousy and the lathe behaves worse with the new bed than did with the old one, at least for the first five or ten years.

The proper way of doing it would be to machine and hand scrape the saddle to the new bed. Possibly, you'll need to add wear strips (Rulon, Turcite, or Moglice putty, etc.) to re-establish the proper distance between the rack and the pinion. But, even without "shimming" the saddle, you'll have less gap with the new bed compared to the old one.

Unless you're also changing bushings in the apron, gearbox and leadscrew support, I don't think it is worth worrying about leadscrew misalignment, since the current bushing have worn themselves into alignment.

Paolo


On 10/13/2017 4:59 PM, md2756@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] wrote:
 

Question, can I swap  the ways from a Southbend model  c to my Southbend model a.  Found a model c with excellent ways (pristine) so I would like to use them on my model a.


thanks mikem.



Re: Southbend Model A

m. allan noah
 

You should keep the saddle with the bed, which generally means you want to keep the cross slide and gib too. Everything else could be swapped, in theory. Note that some Model C beds have a ridge on the lower edge that interferes with the power feed apron, so you might have to clearance that.

allan

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 4:59 PM, md2756@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:
 

Question, can I swap  the ways from a Southbend model  c to my Southbend model a.  Found a model c with excellent ways (pristine) so I would like to use them on my model a.


thanks mikem.




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Southbend Model A

Michael Maurice
 

Question, can I swap  the ways from a Southbend model  c to my Southbend model a.  Found a model c with excellent ways (pristine) so I would like to use them on my model a.


thanks mikem.


Re: New Member

Carl Bukowsky
 

Welcome James, from a fellow 9” Junior Lathe owner.  I’m a new owner as well, got a honey of a deal from the family of the original owner.  Did a complete cleaning on the 1929, preserving the original japanning which is a marvelous preservative coating!  It was a floor model, but the legs had disappeared sometime in the 60’s according to the grandson (himself now 71 years young).  Great place here to get info and insight I’ve found. Welcome!!  Carl

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On Oct 10, 2017, at 6:50 PM, fxsjim@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:

 

Thanks to all for accepting me to the group. I am a restorer of Antique Cars and Motorcycles. I have had a number of South Bend lathes over the years, and currently am using a 1926 9" model, Catalog number 25-AB. This lathe was always in the hands of knowledgeable owners and never used commercially. It is in excellent condition for its age and serves me on a daily basis. 


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New Member

Jim Novak
 

Thanks to all for accepting me to the group. I am a restorer of Antique Cars and Motorcycles. I have had a number of South Bend lathes over the years, and currently am using a 1926 9" model, Catalog number 25-AB. This lathe was always in the hands of knowledgeable owners and never used commercially. It is in excellent condition for its age and serves me on a daily basis. 


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9" South Bend Junior for sale

Roger Bickers
 

Ive got an old 9" Junior with an "O" series style apron i need to sell. It comes with 12 change gears...all of which are in like new condition. The beds 48" in length, and shows no wear as the spindle gear and the reversing lever gears dont either.  I realize i could part the machine out, however, i cant bring myself to dismantling a good running machine thats complete except for some apron parts that were lost by the previous owner and are readily available. By purchasing an apron from another machine thats been parted out. 
Im asking $450.00
Ive also got a 16" x 8' O- series lathe with overhead drive lineshaft, faceplates, 3 & 4 jaw chucks, some change gears, and some tooling, it also has its center rest and its milling attachment though it is rather dirty for sale. The lathe spent most of its life sharpening disk blades and was only used seasonally. Prior to that, it spent its early life at Rock Island Arsenal. Where it saw little use as the ways are in excellent condition.  $500.00
I also have a 9" workshop for sale, no change gears. $150.00
I live in Southwest Michigan and can help load in your truck or trailer.  Thanks. Roger 


Re: Another Newbie Here.

sblatheman
 

I have a N.O.S. take-up nut for sale.
Send me an email.
Ted

On Oct 5, 2017, at 9:11 PM, Tom gtwilliamson@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:

 

Recently I was given a SB 9b by a friend of the family.  All I had to do was haul it away.  It had been in a workshop and not used for many years.  I have ordered a new belt and given it some badly needed TLC but I need some help on getting a new take up nut on the left end of the spindle.  Can this be ordered from Mcmaster-carr as a common shaft locking nut or is it proprietary To SB ? I also have one broken tooth on the back gear but that can wait until I know more of what I am doing.  I have enjoyed reading thru the forum and have picked up a lot information.  Thanks for any help, TOM

 

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Another Newbie Here.

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Recently I was given a SB 9b by a friend of the family.  All I had to do was haul it away.  It had been in a workshop and not used for many years.  I have ordered a new belt and given it some badly needed TLC but I need some help on getting a new take up nut on the left end of the spindle.  Can this be ordered from Mcmaster-carr as a common shaft locking nut or is it proprietary To SB ? I also have one broken tooth on the back gear but that can wait until I know more of what I am doing.  I have enjoyed reading thru the forum and have picked up a lot information.  Thanks for any help, TOM

 

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Re: South Bend Heavy 10R model 199 crossfeed screw.

Jim_B
 

The short answer is Yes.

But there are 3 screws. One for the standard graduation collar, one for the direct reading collar and one for the metric collar.

To Verify.

Go to the files section of the home site.

Go to Files.

Go to Techinfo.

Go to the saddle folder.

Open Form 911j.

Look at part 24/25/26.

Go to the table of part numbers.

Under 10” you will see the part numbers *****Rx.

R is the code letter for the Heavy 10. A part ending in R will fit either the 10R or th3 10L.

There are some parts, a few, the have the letter L.

These will only fit the 10L.

 

 

 

 

Jim B.

 

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Subject: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] South Bend Heavy 10R model 199 crossfeed screw.

 

 

I recently purchased a Heavy 10R model 199 without the taper attachment , but with the cross-feed screw for the taper attachment.  I've been looking on Ebay for the cross-feed screw to use without the taper attachment , but i'm not sure which ones are compatible.  will the cross-feed screw from a 10L like this one ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/391899963024?ul_noapp=true ) work for my lathe?

 

 


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South Bend Heavy 10R model 199 crossfeed screw.

Joel Didriksen
 

I recently purchased a Heavy 10R model 199 without the taper attachment , but with the cross-feed screw for the taper attachment.  I've been looking on Ebay for the cross-feed screw to use without the taper attachment , but i'm not sure which ones are compatible.  will the cross-feed screw from a 10L like this one ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/391899963024?ul_noapp=true ) work for my lathe?


 


Re: Interchangeability of v and cone pulleys

carbure2003
 

YEs

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Horizontal drive 1945 9A

Are the 2 styles of pulleys interchangeable?

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13" SB on ebay UK

eddie.draper@btinternet.com
 

If anyone is interested, there is a 13" x fairly long looking SB with QCGB, looks to be about W W 2 era on ebay UK at present, in Cullompton, Devon, listed as for parts or not working, but looks complete.  About 5 days to go.

Link is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/13-Inch-South-Bend-Quick-Change-Hear-Lathe-/172900863832?hash=item2841b1cf58:g:VC4AAOSwQm9Z0jqN


Eddie



Interchangeability of v and cone pulleys

Marti
 

Horizontal drive 1945 9A


Are the 2 styles of pulleys interchangeable?

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