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South Bend 9A 48" bed rebuild completed

carbure2003
 


Re: Rebuild-Manual-for-South-Bend-Lathe-9-034-Models-A-B-C-plus-model-10k-Light-10 Rebuild-Manual-for-South-Bend-Lathe-9-034-Models-A-B-C-plus-model-10k-Light-10 Rebuild-Manual-for-South-Bend-Lathe-9-034-Models-A-B-C-plus-model-10k-Light-10 Rebuild-Manual-for-South-Bend-Lathe-9-034-Models-A-B-C-plus-model-10k-Light-10 Have one to sell? Sell now Details about Rebuild Manual for South Bend Lathe 9" Models A B C plus model 10k - Light 10

comstock_friend
 

deadeye, I'm partial to http://www.ebay.com/itm/A-Guide-to-Renovating-the-South-Bend-Lathe-9-Model-A-B-C-and-Model-10K-/161660152952?hash=item25a3b22c78:m:mHvbM3UDgzGsJcGEd-yKxtw

I also have bought the re-felting kits, one each for my 9's and one for the 13".

Lot's of good info at Practical Machinist in the South Bend forum. Just be sure when on PM to follow the site rules and not discuss other 'hobby grade' machines.

Back gears for the typical 9" Model C are available every day on ebay. Prices and condition are all over the map, get one in your own good time and be happy.

John


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morrismallard@...
 

I am a newbie to this site and have found the best site to learn about my lathe. There are a lot of so called manuals for the 9" C south bend lathes. Can anyone suggest the best one to purchase?   I am also looking for a back gear for this lathe. Any suggestions will be greatly welcome   THANK ALL FOR THEIR POST



Re: 1928 9" junior parts

m. allan noah
 


On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 6:11 AM, john kling jkling222@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:
 

Were taper attachments actually made for juniors? This seems at odds with the concept of a budget lathe.


Yes, the taper attachment used on the 9" standard change gear lathe (which is actually what Roger has) or the 9" quick change lathe would fit the 9" Jr of the same era. I have seen one such install and have no reason to assume it was not factory.

allan

 

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:34 PM, "Roger Bickers mr.concrete1964@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]" <SOUTHBENDLATHE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
I dont mean to chime in as an athority on the old 1920s made "juniors", but i know that 22-29s parts do interchange.  The one thing hudgely noticable the 9" lathes from this time frame have in common is the 7" wide bed that really seperates them from all others. How do i know this.. from here, a lot of reading, finding older guys with a plethora of info, and owning a 22 and a 26.. which now the 22 will have a 29 apron on it due to a lack of parts on the 22s apron.   Now if only i can find a taper attachment for one so I can make some #6 Jarnos for an old 20"Fay and Scott pattern-makers lathe i saved from the scrap yard. 
Anyone? 
Roger


 
I get the messages in digest form, which strips images sometimes, but can't see the photos even on the yahoo site for some reason, so can't compare them.
My lathe is a 1926 9" Junior, which I believe is the same as the 1928 Junior, but just in case it's not, or your saddle is not original, maybe I have something for you. I bought a saddle & compound assembly of unknown later vintage to get its crossfeed assembly to replace my damaged one, but they're completely different (not a 1926 Junior), so I repaired mine instead. I couldn't decide whether to resell the extra or use if for a project, so I boxed it and moved on to other projects. I'd sell it whole or in parts.  

Neil





--
"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"


Re: Wiring SBL Hvy 10 Switch for Forward and Revese for both 110V and 220V

m. allan noah
 

Glad to help. If the motor rotates opposite of what you want, switch the positions of T5 and T8.

allan

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Dan Loughlin dmloughlin@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:
 

Hi Allan, I wire my SBL Heavy 10 for 220V and the swith for forward and Reverse as per your diagrams and instructions.  All works perfectly.


Thank you very much for your kind and accurate help.
Dan L


On Feb 13, 2017, at 11:40 PM, Dan Loughlin dmloughlin@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


On Feb 13, 2017, at 11:04 PM, Dan Loughlin dmloughlin@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thank you very much Allan.  I am able to follow your words and drawing very easily.  As I have both 110V and 220V outlets at the same locations , do you see any advantage of using one over the other.


Thanks again,
Dan L



On Feb 13, 2017, at 8:51 PM, 'm. allan noah' kitno455@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

[Attachment(s) from m. allan noah included below]

Ok Dan, I've attached two images- one for 110V and one for 220V. 

The 110V wiring is more complex, because you have to bring both legs of the start winding (T5 and T8) out to the switch. You will also have to add a small jumper from terminal 1 to 4 in your drawing.

With 220V, we only have to bring one of T5 or T8 out to the switch. Here, the jumper modifications are more complex, however. You have to add a small jumper from terminal 3 to 6, and remove the crossed jumpers on the lower half of the switch. Replace them with a jumper that is a mirror image of the upper one. Then you only need three wires plus ground from the motor to the switch.

Note that there are other ways to wire for 220 that will not require you to change the jumpers. However, they do not switch both legs of the circuit, and will leave the motor partially energized.

Don't hesitate to ask questions.

allan










--
"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"


Re: 1928 9" junior parts

john kling
 

Were taper attachments actually made for juniors? This seems at odds with the concept of a budget lathe.


On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:34 PM, "Roger Bickers mr.concrete1964@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]" wrote:


 
I dont mean to chime in as an athority on the old 1920s made "juniors", but i know that 22-29s parts do interchange.  The one thing hudgely noticable the 9" lathes from this time frame have in common is the 7" wide bed that really seperates them from all others. How do i know this.. from here, a lot of reading, finding older guys with a plethora of info, and owning a 22 and a 26.. which now the 22 will have a 29 apron on it due to a lack of parts on the 22s apron.   Now if only i can find a taper attachment for one so I can make some #6 Jarnos for an old 20"Fay and Scott pattern-makers lathe i saved from the scrap yard. 
Anyone? 
Roger


 
I get the messages in digest form, which strips images sometimes, but can't see the photos even on the yahoo site for some reason, so can't compare them.
My lathe is a 1926 9" Junior, which I believe is the same as the 1928 Junior, but just in case it's not, or your saddle is not original, maybe I have something for you. I bought a saddle & compound assembly of unknown later vintage to get its crossfeed assembly to replace my damaged one, but they're completely different (not a 1926 Junior), so I repaired mine instead. I couldn't decide whether to resell the extra or use if for a project, so I boxed it and moved on to other projects. I'd sell it whole or in parts.  

Neil



Re: 1928 9" junior parts

Roger Bickers
 

I dont mean to chime in as an athority on the old 1920s made "juniors", but i know that 22-29s parts do interchange.  The one thing hudgely noticable the 9" lathes from this time frame have in common is the 7" wide bed that really seperates them from all others. How do i know this.. from here, a lot of reading, finding older guys with a plethora of info, and owning a 22 and a 26.. which now the 22 will have a 29 apron on it due to a lack of parts on the 22s apron.   Now if only i can find a taper attachment for one so I can make some #6 Jarnos for an old 20"Fay and Scott pattern-makers lathe i saved from the scrap yard. 
Anyone? 

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 10:32 PM, nebenco@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]
wrote:
 

I get the messages in digest form, which strips images sometimes, but can't see the photos even on the yahoo site for some reason, so can't compare them.
My lathe is a 1926 9" Junior, which I believe is the same as the 1928 Junior, but just in case it's not, or your saddle is not original, maybe I have something for you. I bought a saddle & compound assembly of unknown later vintage to get its crossfeed assembly to replace my damaged one, but they're completely different (not a 1926 Junior), so I repaired mine instead. I couldn't decide whether to resell the extra or use if for a project, so I boxed it and moved on to other projects. I'd sell it whole or in parts.  

Neil


Re: Wiring SBL Hvy 10 Switch for Forward and Revese for both 110V and 220V

Dan Loughlin
 

Hi Allan, I wire my SBL Heavy 10 for 220V and the swith for forward and Reverse as per your diagrams and instructions.  All works perfectly.

Thank you very much for your kind and accurate help.
Dan L


On Feb 13, 2017, at 11:40 PM, Dan Loughlin dmloughlin@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:


On Feb 13, 2017, at 11:04 PM, Dan Loughlin dmloughlin@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:

Thank you very much Allan.  I am able to follow your words and drawing very easily.  As I have both 110V and 220V outlets at the same locations , do you see any advantage of using one over the other.


Thanks again,
Dan L



On Feb 13, 2017, at 8:51 PM, 'm. allan noah' kitno455@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:

[Attachment(s) from m. allan noah included below]

Ok Dan, I've attached two images- one for 110V and one for 220V. 

The 110V wiring is more complex, because you have to bring both legs of the start winding (T5 and T8) out to the switch. You will also have to add a small jumper from terminal 1 to 4 in your drawing.

With 220V, we only have to bring one of T5 or T8 out to the switch. Here, the jumper modifications are more complex, however. You have to add a small jumper from terminal 3 to 6, and remove the crossed jumpers on the lower half of the switch. Replace them with a jumper that is a mirror image of the upper one. Then you only need three wires plus ground from the motor to the switch.

Note that there are other ways to wire for 220 that will not require you to change the jumpers. However, they do not switch both legs of the circuit, and will leave the motor partially energized.

Don't hesitate to ask questions.

allan








Re: 1928 9" junior parts

Neil Hitze
 

I get the messages in digest form, which strips images sometimes, but can't see the photos even on the yahoo site for some reason, so can't compare them.
My lathe is a 1926 9" Junior, which I believe is the same as the 1928 Junior, but just in case it's not, or your saddle is not original, maybe I have something for you. I bought a saddle & compound assembly of unknown later vintage to get its crossfeed assembly to replace my damaged one, but they're completely different (not a 1926 Junior), so I repaired mine instead. I couldn't decide whether to resell the extra or use if for a project, so I boxed it and moved on to other projects. I'd sell it whole or in parts.  

Neil


Re: lathe not mine

Fred Flintstone
 

If only I live in WI I would buy it.

Not sure what I would build with it but i would have to buy it.

Take care,
Mark


On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:07 PM, "George Meinschein george.meinschein@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]" wrote:


 
Looks like the label on the QC says 16 if you want to go by that.

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500
Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:00 PM, john kling jkling222@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:
 
I wonder what would the swing be without the riser blocks?


On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:43 PM, "kernbigo@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]" <SOUTHBENDLATHE@yahoogroups. com> wrote:


 

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Re: 1928 9" junior parts

Allen Hanford
 

There's grease on there as well but the numbers are in fact scraped off. 


On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Roger Bickers mr.concrete1964@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]
wrote:
 

yep... it got smacked . no way that's dirt or grease. Btw Allen, I forwarded your name, your number, and what you're looking for to my guy. He'll get a hold of you today I'm sure.  Roger


On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:52 AM, "Allen allenhanford@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]" wrote:


 
Here's a better pic




 
yes, post pics and state the size and all info you have on it sir.  Unfortunately, its one of the hardest lathes to find parts for. I know...Ive got two of them.  btw..... I know a guy, he'll see it.
Roger


On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:35 PM, "Allen allenhanford@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]" wrote:


 

Sorry, I wasn't being very specific. I was also exaggerating; the numbers are gone starting at around 40 degrees. It was like this when I got it and I'm just now getting around to fixing it. 

Any advice on finding the part?




 
Allen, do you mean one of the two parts on the carriage that slide back n forth by screw handles? If so, the bottom one is a crossfeed, and the little one on tops the compound.  
Dont feel bad, its happend before to others to some degree or another im sure.
Roger 


 
There are no degree marks on the carriage. What part are you talking about?

allan

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:04 PM, allenhanford@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:
 
Hi,

The carriage on my 1928 9" junior has been crashed to the point that the degree marks are gone on half of it. Does anyone here have the part I need for sale?

Thanks,
Allen



--
"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"





Re: lathe not mine

George Meinschein <george.meinschein@...>
 

Looks like the label on the QC says 16 if you want to go by that.

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500
Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:00 PM, john kling jkling222@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:
 

I wonder what would the swing be without the riser blocks?


On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:43 PM, "kernbigo@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]" <SOUTHBENDLATHE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 

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Re: lathe not mine

john kling
 

I wonder what would the swing be without the riser blocks?


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Re: 1928 9" junior parts

Roger Bickers
 

yep... it got smacked . no way that's dirt or grease. Btw Allen, I forwarded your name, your number, and what you're looking for to my guy. He'll get a hold of you today I'm sure.  Roger


On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:52 AM, "Allen allenhanford@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]" wrote:


 
Here's a better pic




 
yes, post pics and state the size and all info you have on it sir.  Unfortunately, its one of the hardest lathes to find parts for. I know...Ive got two of them.  btw..... I know a guy, he'll see it.
Roger


On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:35 PM, "Allen allenhanford@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]" wrote:


 

Sorry, I wasn't being very specific. I was also exaggerating; the numbers are gone starting at around 40 degrees. It was like this when I got it and I'm just now getting around to fixing it. 

Any advice on finding the part?




 
Allen, do you mean one of the two parts on the carriage that slide back n forth by screw handles? If so, the bottom one is a crossfeed, and the little one on tops the compound.  
Dont feel bad, its happend before to others to some degree or another im sure.
Roger 


 
There are no degree marks on the carriage. What part are you talking about?

allan

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:04 PM, allenhanford@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:
 
Hi,

The carriage on my 1928 9" junior has been crashed to the point that the degree marks are gone on half of it. Does anyone here have the part I need for sale?

Thanks,
Allen



--
"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"





Re: 1928 9" junior parts

William R Meyers <wmrmeyers@...>
 

That looks to me to be covered with drIed grease or something. Try hosing it off with brake cleaner and a stiff bristle brush. Not a wire brush, nylon or something like it. May also be able to chip it off.

HTH!

Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

Guard your women and children well,
Send These Bastards Back to Hell
We'll teach them the ways of war,
They Won't Come Here Any More
Use your shield and use your head,
Fight till Every One is Dead
Raise the flag up to the sky,
How Many of Them Can We Make Die!

Heather Alexander, March of Cambredth

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On Wed, 2/15/17, Allen allenhanford@yahoo.com [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] 1928 9" junior parts
To: "SOUTHBENDLATHE@yahoogroups.com" <SOUTHBENDLATHE@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 7:49 AM

Here's a better
pic


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from Yahoo Mail on Android

  On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:07 PM, Roger
Bickers mr.concrete1964@yahoo.com
[SOUTHBENDLATHE]<SOUTHBENDLATHE@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:       

yes, post pics and state the size and all info
you have on it sir.  Unfortunately, its one of the hardest
lathes to find parts for. I know...Ive got two of them. 
btw..... I know a guy, he'll see it.
Roger


    On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:35 PM,
"Allen allenhanford@yahoo.com
[SOUTHBENDLATHE]" <SOUTHBENDLATHE@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



    
Sorry, I wasn't being
very specific. I was also exaggerating; the numbers are gone
starting at around 40 degrees. It was like this when I got
it and I'm just now getting around to fixing it. 
Any advice on finding the part?


Sent from
Yahoo Mail on Android

 
    Allen, do you mean one of the two parts on
the carriage that slide back n forth by screw handles? If
so, the bottom one is a crossfeed, and the little one on
tops the compound.  Dont feel bad, its happend before to
others to some degree or another im sure.Roger 

Sent from Yahoo Mail on
Android

 
    There are no degree marks on the carriage.
What part are you talking about?

allan

On Tue,
Feb 14, 2017 at 1:04 PM, allenhanford@yahoo.com
[SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:

    Hi,


The carriage on my 1928
9" junior has been crashed to the point that the degree
marks are gone on half of it. Does anyone here have the part
I need for sale?

Thanks,
Allen   



--
"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and
I chop it down with the edge of my hand"


Re: 1928 9" junior parts

Roger Bickers
 

I know where there the base to a compound for that machine in florida,  If youll private message me your phone number, ill pass it along today as im calling the guy myself. I know hes got one for sure. Roger


On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 9:07 AM, 'm. allan noah' kitno455@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]
wrote:
 

Ok, you are looking for a replacement compound, or at least the base of one. Not easy to find, but they do turn up on ebay from time to time, and occasionally a member here will part one out.

allan


Re: 1928 9" junior parts

m. allan noah
 

Ok, you are looking for a replacement compound, or at least the base of one. Not easy to find, but they do turn up on ebay from time to time, and occasionally a member here will part one out.

allan


Re: 1928 9" junior parts

Allen Hanford
 

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:07 PM, Roger Bickers mr.concrete1964@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]
wrote:
 

yes, post pics and state the size and all info you have on it sir.  Unfortunately, its one of the hardest lathes to find parts for. I know...Ive got two of them.  btw..... I know a guy, he'll see it.
Roger


On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:35 PM, "Allen allenhanford@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]" wrote:


 

Sorry, I wasn't being very specific. I was also exaggerating; the numbers are gone starting at around 40 degrees. It was like this when I got it and I'm just now getting around to fixing it. 

Any advice on finding the part?




 
Allen, do you mean one of the two parts on the carriage that slide back n forth by screw handles? If so, the bottom one is a crossfeed, and the little one on tops the compound.  
Dont feel bad, its happend before to others to some degree or another im sure.
Roger 


 
There are no degree marks on the carriage. What part are you talking about?

allan

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:04 PM, allenhanford@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:
 
Hi,

The carriage on my 1928 9" junior has been crashed to the point that the degree marks are gone on half of it. Does anyone here have the part I need for sale?

Thanks,
Allen



--
"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"



Re: 1928 9" junior parts

Roger Bickers
 

yes, post pics and state the size and all info you have on it sir.  Unfortunately, its one of the hardest lathes to find parts for. I know...Ive got two of them.  btw..... I know a guy, he'll see it.
Roger


On Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:35 PM, "Allen allenhanford@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]" wrote:


 

Sorry, I wasn't being very specific. I was also exaggerating; the numbers are gone starting at around 40 degrees. It was like this when I got it and I'm just now getting around to fixing it. 

Any advice on finding the part?




 
Allen, do you mean one of the two parts on the carriage that slide back n forth by screw handles? If so, the bottom one is a crossfeed, and the little one on tops the compound.  
Dont feel bad, its happend before to others to some degree or another im sure.
Roger 


 
There are no degree marks on the carriage. What part are you talking about?

allan

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:04 PM, allenhanford@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:
 
Hi,

The carriage on my 1928 9" junior has been crashed to the point that the degree marks are gone on half of it. Does anyone here have the part I need for sale?

Thanks,
Allen



--
"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge of my hand"


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