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Re: stuck tailstock screw

Nelson Collar
 

I would not try the homemade stuff with heat. Flash point of acetone is very low.



From: "Matt's Phone alturift49@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]"
To: SOUTHBENDLATHE@...
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] stuck tailstock screw

 
In addition to panther piss try a judicious amount of heat.  Clamp one part to a work bench or carefully in a vise.  Set up a wrench or pry bar to tweek the parts in both directions beforehand so you will be ready with the hot parts.   Then heat carefully wearing your personal protection equipment.   Leather gloves,  googles, apron ect.  I find that the heat greatly help the pentetrant as it causes the outside round parts to expand.   BE CAREFUL no need to start a fire or explode a can of oil.  Also I don't heat steel parts above 350F and try to stay well below that.  A little water boiling off the part will let you know how far above 212F you are. .......  Good luck Thanks-Matt 



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-------- Original message --------
From: "beekeeper1943@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]"
Date: 07/26/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: SOUTHBENDLATHE@...
Subject: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] stuck tailstock screw [1 Attachment]

 
The tailstock screw on my 1956 10L will turn in neither direction.  I've soaked it with penetrant to no avail.  Before I attempt the brute force method, does anyone have any suggestions?



Re: stuck tailstock screw

Steve Wells
 

Lance,

Original dextron(1968) contained whale oil, it was reformulated three more times up to dextron 3, which is what you want to use. Dextron 6 has a lower viscosity and contains components that reduce the ability of the fluid to thin out beyond a Set viscosity.

 

Steve

------ Original message------

From: Lance Eggleston gbof@... ...

Date: Sun, Jul 26, 2015 4:39 PM

To: SOUTHBENDLATHE@...;

Subject:Re: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] stuck tailstock screw

 

 

When I go to my local ACE hardware,

how will I know old from new Dextron?


lance
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On Jul 26, 2015, at 4:31 PM, 'Steve Wells' wswells@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:


They mix just fine, use the old type of Dextron not the new


Re: stuck tailstock screw [1 Attachment]

Matt
 

In addition to panther piss try a judicious amount of heat.  Clamp one part to a work bench or carefully in a vise.  Set up a wrench or pry bar to tweek the parts in both directions beforehand so you will be ready with the hot parts.   Then heat carefully wearing your personal protection equipment.   Leather gloves,  googles, apron ect.  I find that the heat greatly help the pentetrant as it causes the outside round parts to expand.   BE CAREFUL no need to start a fire or explode a can of oil.  Also I don't heat steel parts above 350F and try to stay well below that.  A little water boiling off the part will let you know how far above 212F you are. .......  Good luck Thanks-Matt 



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-------- Original message --------
From: "beekeeper1943@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]" <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...>
Date: 07/26/2015 12:23 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: SOUTHBENDLATHE@...
Subject: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] stuck tailstock screw [1 Attachment]

 

The tailstock screw on my 1956 10L will turn in neither direction.  I've soaked it with penetrant to no avail.  Before I attempt the brute force method, does anyone have any suggestions?


Re: First Posting

ds-in-wa
 

Thanks Jim!


Douglas


Re: stuck tailstock screw

Neil Butterfield <neilbfield@...>
 

To keep mixed and prevent evaporation store the 50/50 mix in metal can and pinch the sides in as you tighten the metal cap causing a slight vacuum in the can. You can then store for quite a while.

 

I’m no authority on ATF but I’m sure any will work???

 

I was remiss in not mentioning the source of the article. It was one of the Village Press magazines. Home Shop Machinist I believe.

 

Neil

 

 

 

Great… 

 

1- how do you get the two to stay mixed?

 

2- What happens when the acetone evaporates in 2 minutes?

 

3- Which ATF do you use?

 

I have tried this mix and all I got was a mess.

Eager minds want to know the hidden secrets of penetrating magic.

 

lance

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On Jul 26, 2015, at 4:14 PM, paulguenter@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:

 

Neil
I agree i use automatic transmisson fluid ( the highest detergent oil ) and accetone all the time. It works like a dream compared
to the high priced penatrating fluids
GP

 


Re: First Posting

Jim B. <btdtrf@...>
 

OOPS!!!!!!!!!

Wrong file. That’s a later one and a PDF at that.

 

Correct attachment.

Jim B. 


From: SOUTHBENDLATHE@... [mailto:SOUTHBENDLATHE@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 7:29 PM
To: SOUTHBENDLATHE@...
Subject: Re: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] Re: First Posting

 

 

I inserted the file as a picture. 

With an email client it appears. 

However I believe you are not receiving emails but visiting the site. 

I was not aware of this issue. 

I will resend as an attachment 



Jim B,


On Jul 26, 2015, at 6:58 PM, dsymes@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:

 

For some reason I can't see the table referred to in Jim B's post.  Can someone suggest how to change settings so it will be visible?  I'm viewing in Internet Explorer 11 on a desktor that is normally pretty well behaved.

 

Thanks,

 dsymes


Re: First Posting

Jim B. <btdtrf@...>
 

Here is the file as an attachment.

 

 

 

Below is an early CALCULATION of the effect of BED wear on the diameter of a part. Having the tailstock high or low is essentially the same. In the bed wear case the cutting tool down up with respect to the work. With the tool post high, the cutting tool, essentially moved down (Actually the work moves up. .

I the large table, horizontally the drop in tool height goes from 0.001 to 0.006” in increments of 0.001”

In the vertical, starting at the top the diameter of the work piece goes from 0.25” (1/4”) to 1.25” in increments of 0.1”

 

The effect is small.

This is only for vertical offset. Horizontal offset is totally different.  

 

 

Jim B. 


Re: First Posting

Jim B. <btdtrf@...>
 

I inserted the file as a picture. 
With an email client it appears. 
However I believe you are not receiving emails but visiting the site. 
I was not aware of this issue. 
I will resend as an attachment 


Jim B,

On Jul 26, 2015, at 6:58 PM, dsymes@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:

 

For some reason I can't see the table referred to in Jim B's post.  Can someone suggest how to change settings so it will be visible?  I'm viewing in Internet Explorer 11 on a desktor that is normally pretty well behaved.


Thanks,

 dsymes


Re: First Posting

ds-in-wa
 

For some reason I can't see the table referred to in Jim B's post.  Can someone suggest how to change settings so it will be visible?  I'm viewing in Internet Explorer 11 on a desktor that is normally pretty well behaved.


Thanks,

 dsymes


Re: First Posting

carbure2003
 


Re: stuck tailstock screw

lance
 

When I go to my local ACE hardware,
how will I know old from new Dextron?


lance
++++

On Jul 26, 2015, at 4:31 PM, 'Steve Wells' wswells@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:


They mix just fine, use the old type of Dextron not the new


Re: stuck tailstock screw

Steve Wells
 


They mix just fine, use the old type of Dextron not the new or Mercon if you have a ford.
The acetone is the creeper for the fluid. keep it in a jar with the lid on, if it thickens add a little more acetone.
 
Steve
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] stuck tailstock screw

 

Great… 


1- how do you get the two to stay mixed?

2- What happens when the acetone evaporates in 2 minutes?

3- Which ATF do you use?

I have tried this mix and all I got was a mess.
Eager minds want to know the hidden secrets of penetrating magic.

lance
++++
On Jul 26, 2015, at 4:14 PM, paulguenter@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:

Neil
I agree i use automatic transmisson fluid ( the highest detergent oil ) and accetone all the time. It works like a dream compared
to the high priced penatrating fluids
GP


Re: stuck tailstock screw

lance
 

Great… 

1- how do you get the two to stay mixed?

2- What happens when the acetone evaporates in 2 minutes?

3- Which ATF do you use?

I have tried this mix and all I got was a mess.
Eager minds want to know the hidden secrets of penetrating magic.

lance
++++

On Jul 26, 2015, at 4:14 PM, paulguenter@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:

Neil
I agree i use automatic transmisson fluid ( the highest detergent oil ) and accetone all the time. It works like a dream compared
to the high priced penatrating fluids
GP


Re: stuck tailstock screw [1 Attachment]

Steve Wells
 


Mix up a batch of home brew break-free and soak it over night.
50/50 mix of Dextron trans fluid and Acetone.
 
Steve
 

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Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 1:23 PM
Subject: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] stuck tailstock screw [1 Attachment]

 

The tailstock screw on my 1956 10L will turn in neither direction.  I've soaked it with penetrant to no avail.  Before I attempt the brute force method, does anyone have any suggestions?


Re: stuck tailstock screw

Guenther Paul
 

Neil
I agree i use automatic transmisson fluid ( the highest detergent oil ) and accetone all the time. It works like a dream compared
to the high priced penatrating fluids
GP

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On Sun, 7/26/15, 'Neil Butterfield' neilbfield@cox.net [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] stuck tailstock screw
To: SOUTHBENDLATHE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 26, 2015, 3:37 PM


 









Fortunately there is
a better penetrating oil than Kroil and it is a home brew
very much cheaer.  Neil  
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Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 11:41 AM
To: SOUTHBENDLATHE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] stuck
tailstock screw    use kroil's
penetrating oil there is none better  
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2015 12:23 PM, "beekeeper1943@yahoo.com
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Re: stuck tailstock screw

Neil Butterfield <neilbfield@...>
 

Fortunately there is a better penetrating oil than Kroil and it is a home brew very much cheaer.

 

Neil

 

 

From: SOUTHBENDLATHE@... [mailto:SOUTHBENDLATHE@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 11:41 AM
To: SOUTHBENDLATHE@...
Subject: Re: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] stuck tailstock screw

 

 

use kroil's penetrating oil there is none better

 

 

On Sunday, July 26, 2015 12:23 PM, "beekeeper1943@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]" <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:

 

 

[Attachment(s) from beekeeper1943@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] included below]

The tailstock screw on my 1956 10L will turn in neither direction.  I've soaked it with penetrant to no avail.  Before I attempt the brute force method, does anyone have any suggestions?

 


Re: stuck tailstock screw [1 Attachment]

lance
 

Is that a set screw I see in the ram slot?
If yes remove it .

If no, use KROIL as the penetrating oil.
Available at Amazon.

lance
++++

On Jul 26, 2015, at 1:23 PM, beekeeper1943@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:

The tailstock screw on my 1956 10L will turn in neither direction.  I've soaked it with penetrant to no avail.  Before I attempt the brute force method, does anyone have any suggestions?


Re: stuck tailstock screw [1 Attachment]

oscar kern <kernbigo@...>
 

use kroil's penetrating oil there is none better



On Sunday, July 26, 2015 12:23 PM, "beekeeper1943@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE]" wrote:


 
[Attachment(s) from beekeeper1943@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] included below]
The tailstock screw on my 1956 10L will turn in neither direction.  I've soaked it with penetrant to no avail.  Before I attempt the brute force method, does anyone have any suggestions?



stuck tailstock screw

beekeeper1943
 

The tailstock screw on my 1956 10L will turn in neither direction.  I've soaked it with penetrant to no avail.  Before I attempt the brute force method, does anyone have any suggestions?


Re: First Posting

lance
 

Nice work Jim,
Thanks for the chart and calcs.
lance
++++

On Jul 26, 2015, at 11:03 AM, 'Jim B. ' btdtrf@... [SOUTHBENDLATHE] <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...> wrote:


Below is an early CALCULATION of the effect of BED wear on the diameter of a part. Having the tailstock high or low is essentially the same. In the bed wear case the cutting tool down up with respect to the work. With the tool post high, the cutting tool, essentially moved down (Actually the work moves up. . 

I the large table, horizontally the drop in tool height goes from 0.001 to 0.006” in increments of 0.001”

In the vertical, starting at the top the diameter of the work piece goes from 0.25” (1/4”) to 1.25” in increments of 0.1” 

 

The effect is small. 

This is only for vertical offset. Horizontal offset is totally different.  

 

 

 

 

Jim B.  


From: SOUTHBENDLATHE@... [mailto:SOUTHBENDLATHE@...] 
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 8:01 PM
To: SOUTHBENDLATHE@...
Subject: Re: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] First Posting

 

  

The effect of 0.002" of excess tail stock height on the diameter of a piece is almost negligible. 

It is diameter dependent , worse for small diameters. 

It varies from 0.0001's to a few 0.00001's.

This is for vertical offset not horizontal offset. 

Jim B,





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