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homemade carriage stop--protect bed?

David Rysdam <david@...>
 

A few months ago I made a carriage stop (from CRS). It's been working
out pretty well, but every time I move it I'm nervous about gouging or
nicking the ways. This weekend I thought about brazing some brass shoes
in there, but then I got paranoid: what if that makes it *worse*?
Particles could get embedded in the brass and just keep scraping
forever.

What, if anything, should I do to protect the ways from my carriage
stop?


Re: cross feed and compound screw question

Gregg Eshelman
 

On 1/2/2014 10:05 PM, gizmo_dave wrote:
I have the apron and saddle torn down for cleaning/ repair/ paint, and noticed the feed screw threads are worn to the point of being sharp towards the center of travel.
What was the original cross feed and compound screw thread and size for a 1913 13 inch lathe?
I thought Acme thread was used on these but the unworn end threads appear to be national coarse.
I would like to repair these while I have it torn this far down, any tips would be appreciated.
They're normal V thread, not ACME. Makes it much simpler to cut the left hand thread for the compound slide screw.

Nothing stopping you from changing the cross and compound slides to ACME if you want. ;)

Does yours have a really short cross slide screw? On my Sears the screw is just long enough to get the tools past center. It ends 3.5" from the back of the saddle.

As I found on my LeBlond, the easiest way to cut a new ACME nut is to buy a tandem roughing/finishing tap. IIRC I found the best price on Amazon, or might have been eBay. It's razor sharp, cut through a big hunk of brass real nice.

Drill then bore or ream the hole to the specified size and in cast iron or non-ferrous metals the tap will run through fairly easy. You can cut a V thread of the same pitch to make it easier, but be careful to start the ACME tap right in the V thread.


Re: cross feed and compound screw question

john kling
 


Mr Wells has written on the splicing of an acme thread into the cross feed and at one time sold the threaded stock for around  $15.00. A series of slides is available describing the effort. For the 9" with power cross feed a new screw with gear goes for about   $150.00 on Ebay. - so money can be saved.


From: gizmo_dave
To: SOUTHBENDLATHE@...
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2014 12:05 AM
Subject: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] cross feed and compound screw question

 
I have the apron and saddle torn down for cleaning/ repair/ paint, and noticed the feed screw threads are worn to the point of being sharp towards the center of travel.
What was the original cross feed and compound screw thread and size for a 1913 13 inch lathe?
I thought Acme thread was used on these but the unworn end threads appear to be national coarse.
I would like to repair these while I have it torn this far down, any tips would be appreciated.

Dave




cross feed and compound screw question

gizmo_dave
 

I have the apron and saddle torn down for cleaning/ repair/ paint, and noticed the feed screw threads are worn to the point of being sharp towards the center of travel.
What was the original cross feed and compound screw thread and size for a 1913 13 inch lathe?
I thought Acme thread was used on these but the unworn end threads appear to be national coarse.
I would like to repair these while I have it torn this far down, any tips would be appreciated.

Dave


Re: POTD - well it took a bit longer than a day...

Stanley
 

As a professional woodworker, I say Nicely Done. Details down to felt lined drawers. My wife wanted to get me some flannel lined drawers, but that's a topic for another day...


Re: POTD - well it took a bit longer than a day... [2 Attachments]

Flash Gordon
 

Very nice

Ed S


Re: POTD - well it took a bit longer than a day... [2 Attachments]

Jim B. <btdtrf@...>
 

Very nice work!
We (At least I am) are always happy to see projects.
Jim B.


POTD - well it took a bit longer than a day...

d6crawler
 

Not sure if folks are still posting projects and this is actually a wood project but is for my lathe bench and I am pretty happy with it. I made it from scraps around the shop while trying to clean up the excess scrap supply.

For those worried about dust the woodshop is in another room about 20' away. The tools are also normally covered to keep dust away from them when they are not in use.


Re: fourteen

sblatheman
 

Interesting question.
The 14", 17", and 20" South Bends, made in South Bend, had 2 Vees and 2 flats.
The "Turnados" made in Taiwan, had(have) 3 Vees and 1 flat.

Ted

On Jan 2, 2014, at 7:04 PM, john kling <jkling222@...> wrote:

 

Did they in all case retain the 3 v 1 flat way bed as sort of a nod to South Bend heritage?

From: Latheman <latheman2@...>
To: "SOUTHBENDLATHE@..." <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] fourteen

 
The "TURNADO" was originally the model name of the 17" and 20" geared head lathes made in South Bend. When the new owner in '93 started buying machines from Taiwan, he used that name for those lathes.
 The 14" was never made in Korea. SBL didn't do business with Korea until the early 80's. Only the 10K was made there complete. Many castings for the other machines came from there. They did get complete machines  that were re-branded with the SBL name (DL series)

Ted

On Jan 2, 2014, at 6:42 PM, "Starlight Tool Services Ltd" <starlight_tools@...> wrote:

 
When did Turnado start making the lathes for Southbend in Taiwan?  Also they went to Korea somewhere in those years as well If I remember correctly.   That could account for different series of serial numbers?
 
Walter
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim B.
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] fourteen

 
Hey Ted;
I was hopping you would get involved.
The data I have actually shows two series of serial numbers.
The first is preceded by the year, well not quite, There is no 74 or 76.
Then TT which I take to be the letter code, like N, K, etc Strangely the 13 is just a single T.
MODEL/SIZE: 14"
1969 69TT101
1970 70TT177
1971 71TT381
1972 72TT556
1973 73TT774
1974 73TT975
1975 75TT1312
1976 75TT1532
1977 76TT1640
1978 00038TT
1979 00203TT
1980 00345TT
1981 00442TT
1982 00587TT
1983 00614TT
But then there is a second series, starting in 1978 with a 5 digit number followed by TT.
Can you shed any light on this? I had thought the 14 was made elsewhere but you say South Bend . That’s good to know.  
Jim B.

 
The 14" Variable speed lathe was made in South Bend .
The first 2 numbers of the serial number is the year it was made. This one must have been in someone's stock for awhile or it was not the original owner...?
Does it have a Swartz Machinery tag on it?
What was the metal finishing co.? 

Ted

On Jan 2, 2014, at 2:16 PM, "JIM" <mockjim@...> wrote:



Re: fourteen

john kling
 

Did they in all case retain the 3 v 1 flat way bed as sort of a nod to South Bend heritage?


From: Latheman
To: "SOUTHBENDLATHE@..."
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] fourteen

 
The "TURNADO" was originally the model name of the 17" and 20" geared head lathes made in South Bend. When the new owner in '93 started buying machines from Taiwan, he used that name for those lathes.
 The 14" was never made in Korea. SBL didn't do business with Korea until the early 80's. Only the 10K was made there complete. Many castings for the other machines came from there. They did get complete machines  that were re-branded with the SBL name (DL series)

Ted

On Jan 2, 2014, at 6:42 PM, "Starlight Tool Services Ltd" <starlight_tools@...> wrote:

 
When did Turnado start making the lathes for Southbend in Taiwan?  Also they went to Korea somewhere in those years as well If I remember correctly.   That could account for different series of serial numbers?
 
Walter
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim B.
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] fourteen

 
Hey Ted;
I was hopping you would get involved.
The data I have actually shows two series of serial numbers.
The first is preceded by the year, well not quite, There is no 74 or 76.
Then TT which I take to be the letter code, like N, K, etc Strangely the 13 is just a single T.
MODEL/SIZE: 14"
1969 69TT101
1970 70TT177
1971 71TT381
1972 72TT556
1973 73TT774
1974 73TT975
1975 75TT1312
1976 75TT1532
1977 76TT1640
1978 00038TT
1979 00203TT
1980 00345TT
1981 00442TT
1982 00587TT
1983 00614TT
But then there is a second series, starting in 1978 with a 5 digit number followed by TT.
Can you shed any light on this? I had thought the 14 was made elsewhere but you say South Bend . That’s good to know.  
Jim B.

 
The 14" Variable speed lathe was made in South Bend .
The first 2 numbers of the serial number is the year it was made. This one must have been in someone's stock for awhile or it was not the original owner...?
Does it have a Swartz Machinery tag on it?
What was the metal finishing co.? 

Ted

On Jan 2, 2014, at 2:16 PM, "JIM" <mockjim@...> wrote:



Re: fourteen

sblatheman
 

The "TURNADO" was originally the model name of the 17" and 20" geared head lathes made in South Bend. When the new owner in '93 started buying machines from Taiwan, he used that name for those lathes.
 The 14" was never made in Korea. SBL didn't do business with Korea until the early 80's. Only the 10K was made there complete. Many castings for the other machines came from there. They did get complete machines  that were re-branded with the SBL name (DL series)

Ted

On Jan 2, 2014, at 6:42 PM, "Starlight Tool Services Ltd" <starlight_tools@...> wrote:

 

When did Turnado start making the lathes for Southbend in Taiwan?  Also they went to Korea somewhere in those years as well If I remember correctly.   That could account for different series of serial numbers?
 
Walter
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim B.
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] fourteen

 

Hey Ted;

I was hopping you would get involved.

The data I have actually shows two series of serial numbers.

The first is preceded by the year, well not quite, There is no 74 or 76.

Then TT which I take to be the letter code, like N, K, etc Strangely the 13 is just a single T.

MODEL/SIZE: 14"
1969 69TT101
1970 70TT177
1971 71TT381
1972 72TT556
1973 73TT774
1974 73TT975
1975 75TT1312
1976 75TT1532
1977 76TT1640
1978 00038TT
1979 00203TT
1980 00345TT
1981 00442TT
1982 00587TT
1983 00614TT

But then there is a second series, starting in 1978 with a 5 digit number followed by TT.

Can you shed any light on this? I had thought the 14 was made elsewhere but you say South Bend. That’s good to know.  

Jim B.


 

The 14" Variable speed lathe was made in South Bend.

The first 2 numbers of the serial number is the year it was made. This one must have been in someone's stock for awhile or it was not the original owner...?

Does it have a Swartz Machinery tag on it?

What was the metal finishing co.? 

Ted


On Jan 2, 2014, at 2:16 PM, "JIM" <mockjim@...> wrote:


Re: Question regarding threading dial

Curt Wuollet <wideopen1@...>
 

Not yet, it hasn't arrived.

Regards

cww

On 01/02/2014 11:43 AM, larrybrandon1953@... wrote:
 

Do you have a part number for this piece? Thank you.

Larry



Re: fourteen

sblatheman
 

Yes, TT designates the 14" variable speed machine.
I can't answer the question about the change in serial numbers ?? I wasn't involved with that in the 70's, and can't think of a reason to do that. There were no big changes in the machine or the company at that time('78). I'll see what I can find out.
 The year type serial number was also used on the 17" (GJ) and 20"(GL)

Ted

On Jan 2, 2014, at 6:17 PM, "Jim B. " <btdtrf@...> wrote:

 

Hey Ted;

I was hopping you would get involved.

The data I have actually shows two series of serial numbers.

 

The first is preceded by the year, well not quite, There is no 74 or 76.

Then TT which I take to be the letter code, like N, K, etc Strangely the 13 is just a single T.

 

MODEL/SIZE: 14"
1969 69TT101
1970 70TT177
1971 71TT381
1972 72TT556
1973 73TT774
1974 73TT975
1975 75TT1312
1976 75TT1532
1977 76TT1640
1978 00038TT
1979 00203TT
1980 00345TT
1981 00442TT
1982 00587TT
1983 00614TT

 

But then there is a second series, starting in 1978 with a 5 digit number followed by TT.

 

Can you shed any light on this? I had thought the 14 was made elsewhere but you say South Bend. That’s good to know.  

 

Jim B.


 

The 14" Variable speed lathe was made in South Bend.

The first 2 numbers of the serial number is the year it was made. This one must have been in someone's stock for awhile or it was not the original owner...?

Does it have a Swartz Machinery tag on it?

What was the metal finishing co.? 

Ted


On Jan 2, 2014, at 2:16 PM, "JIM" <mockjim@...> wrote:


Re: fourteen

Starlight Tool Services Ltd <starlight_tools@...>
 

When did Turnado start making the lathes for Southbend in Taiwan?  Also they went to Korea somewhere in those years as well If I remember correctly.   That could account for different series of serial numbers?
 
Walter
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim B.
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] fourteen

 

Hey Ted;

I was hopping you would get involved.

The data I have actually shows two series of serial numbers.

The first is preceded by the year, well not quite, There is no 74 or 76.

Then TT which I take to be the letter code, like N, K, etc Strangely the 13 is just a single T.

MODEL/SIZE: 14"
1969 69TT101
1970 70TT177
1971 71TT381
1972 72TT556
1973 73TT774
1974 73TT975
1975 75TT1312
1976 75TT1532
1977 76TT1640
1978 00038TT
1979 00203TT
1980 00345TT
1981 00442TT
1982 00587TT
1983 00614TT

But then there is a second series, starting in 1978 with a 5 digit number followed by TT.

Can you shed any light on this? I had thought the 14 was made elsewhere but you say South Bend. That’s good to know.  

Jim B.


 

The 14" Variable speed lathe was made in South Bend.

The first 2 numbers of the serial number is the year it was made. This one must have been in someone's stock for awhile or it was not the original owner...?

Does it have a Swartz Machinery tag on it?

What was the metal finishing co.? 

Ted


On Jan 2, 2014, at 2:16 PM, "JIM" <mockjim@...> wrote:


Re: fourteen

Jim B. <btdtrf@...>
 

Hey Ted;

I was hopping you would get involved.

The data I have actually shows two series of serial numbers.

 

The first is preceded by the year, well not quite, There is no 74 or 76.

Then TT which I take to be the letter code, like N, K, etc Strangely the 13 is just a single T.

 

MODEL/SIZE: 14"
1969 69TT101
1970 70TT177
1971 71TT381
1972 72TT556
1973 73TT774
1974 73TT975
1975 75TT1312
1976 75TT1532
1977 76TT1640
1978 00038TT
1979 00203TT
1980 00345TT
1981 00442TT
1982 00587TT
1983 00614TT

 

But then there is a second series, starting in 1978 with a 5 digit number followed by TT.

 

Can you shed any light on this? I had thought the 14 was made elsewhere but you say South Bend. That’s good to know.  

 

Jim B.


 

The 14" Variable speed lathe was made in South Bend.

The first 2 numbers of the serial number is the year it was made. This one must have been in someone's stock for awhile or it was not the original owner...?

Does it have a Swartz Machinery tag on it?

What was the metal finishing co.? 

Ted


On Jan 2, 2014, at 2:16 PM, "JIM" <mockjim@...> wrote:


Re: fourteen

sblatheman
 

The 14" Variable speed lathe was made in South Bend.
The first 2 numbers of the serial number is the year it was made. This one must have been in someone's stock for awhile or it was not the original owner...?
Does it have a Swartz Machinery tag on it?
What was the metal finishing co.? 

Ted

On Jan 2, 2014, at 2:16 PM, "JIM" <mockjim@...> wrote:

 

i recently bought a fourteen south bend from what i believe to be the original owner (a metal finishing co in south bend)it is model no. cl146fd. serial no. 74tt1148. their info list 6/75 as the purchase date. i have several 9" s/b lathes. oldest is 1936 used in a hudson-dodge dealership to repair armaturs. two later models with underdrive, and other parts machines.


Re: 1914 lathe

Gregg Eshelman
 

On 1/2/2014 11:28 AM, Rick Lathrop wrote:
Anyone have a lathe that is 100 years old this year?
Yup! 13" Sears Expert, made by an "old, reliable" manufacturer, South Bend, which was all of 8 years old at the time.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27748767@N08/sets/72157635398470727/


Re: fourteen

Jim B. <btdtrf@...>
 

Thank you Jim

I entered your serial number into my Manufacturing Date Finder and come up with 7/8/1975, within 1 month of your order date.

I will put your data into my data base. If you ever get a card from Grizzly let me know.

 

Jim B.


From: SOUTHBENDLATHE@... [mailto:SOUTHBENDLATHE@...] On Behalf Of JIM
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 2:16 PM
To: SOUTHBENDLATHE@...
Subject: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] fourteen

 

 

i recently bought a fourteen south bend from what i believe to be the original owner (a metal finishing co in south bend)it is model no. cl146fd. serial no. 74tt1148. their info list 6/75 as the purchase date. i have several 9" s/b lathes. oldest is 1936 used in a hudson-dodge dealership to repair armaturs. two later models with underdrive, and other parts machines.


fourteen

JIM
 

i recently bought a fourteen south bend from what i believe to be the original owner (a metal finishing co in south bend)it is model no. cl146fd. serial no. 74tt1148. their info list 6/75 as the purchase date. i have several 9" s/b lathes. oldest is 1936 used in a hudson-dodge dealership to repair armaturs. two later models with underdrive, and other parts machines.


Re: 1914 lathe

Rick Lathrop <rickv100@...>
 

Well happy birthday to those old machines allot has happened since they were born

On Jan 2, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Richard Sheckler <rishelaverne@...> wrote:

Yes, SBL 11 inch with 5 foot bed, #1904, probably made in 1912.  Other than a boogered up carriage hand wheel, it's in really nice condition.
 
Richard
 

According to my data base. Mark Hoffman has a Cat #37 15X6 lathe, serial 3199  and Greg Eshelman  has one with no description, serial 2638

 

Jim B.


From: SOUTHBENDLATHE@... [mailto:SOUTHBENDLATHE@...] On Behalf Of Rick Lathrop
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 1:29 PM
To: southbendlathe@...
Subject: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] 1914 lathe

 

 

Anyone have a lathe that is 100 years old this year?

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