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Re: my new (to me) SB 9x30ish

rightwayrw <rogerandpatty@comcast.net>
 

---Mark,
Sounds like you got a good deal. I have a Southbend 10K and I love
it. You will love yours too. They are fun to run and they are
almost indestructable. Very good machines.
Roger in
Nashville


9" "c" model------need parts

owl3006 <mccarls@iowatelecom.net> <mccarls@...>
 

Need to find the countershaft assembly for this model lathe. From
what I can see it had 2 options. One that was a bracet/stand that
mountes to the floor, 2nd was mounted behind the lathe on a bench?
Also need a belt. Lathe has typical 3 step pulleys.

Thanks
Rich


SB Scans (Was Re: Who is jump_nkd ?)

Anthony Rhodes
 

In a message dated Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:12:14 -0700, Darrell Coble writes:

<< I have a approx. 1965 SB 10K that is under drive and it has the factory
option of a variable speed drive that you change with a wheel on the front of
the pedestal on left side. Did you get a parts list for this option? I have
the diagrams and parts list for the 10K -purchased from SB, but would like a
copy of the variable speed option. It's great that you are doing this. I will
be happy to pay a copying fee. >>

No, I don't have the variable speed drive info. Does anybody out there have
this?

The Horizontal and Underneath Drive units are detailed on Form 904E, Beds and
Cabinet Stands on Form 106L. If anybody has alternative versions of this
information (Form 904A, 904B, etc. or any other information on beds and drive
units) I'm interested, please contact me.

Anthony
Berkeley, Calif.


Re: Bert's email

L.G.M.van Lelieveld <pa3eka@amsat.org> <pa3eka@...>
 

My apollegees
to mis use this the group
my computer crashes several time it take me 2 days to bring it back a
live again
in the mean time my email box getting full
Anthony has sended hi quality scans off SB Docs.
and more emails from others to
But it shoot be working again now
my appollegees for the inconvenience



--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "Glen Reeser <Gorvil@a...>"
<Gorvil@a...> wrote:
Hi Bert,

I keep getting my emails bounced back when I reply to your last
message. There must be something wrong with your account. My
apologies to the group for communicating this way.

I sent Clint $47.00 for the screw plus shipping. He will ship it
to
you in a padded envelope.

He didn't have a nut. I will send you one of mine. It may be a
bit
worn. I made my own replacement for this nut to reduce backlash.
I
will send some bronze stock and a description of how I made my own
nut
to fit the worn screw. The shipping on this stuff will also be
$12.00
so we're up to $59.00.

We are getting closer


Re: Collet adaptor identification 9" SB

qbox09
 

Do an archive search for message #2121. It has a great chart of
collet dimensions.


--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "sbwest2002 <wwesthe@e...>"
<wwesthe@e...> wrote:
I recently got a collet adapter that fits the spindle of a 9" SB
lathe. On the face in large letters is 10 A , and in small letters
sutton.The rear bore is .685" and the face taper dia. is .925" .
Anybody know the collet no. that fits. Along with it I got 6
collets
marked 3SB Rivett. The look like they fit OK but the keyway
bottoms
out just before it closes nd the large collet dia. is about 1/8"
smaller than the .925" dia. Also does the 3 SB mean they are SB
products?


Re: Help/info for SBL 9" 22-YC model?

Clint D <driggars@...>
 

Bob
I have a good leadscrew to fit that lathe
Clint

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Colquitt" <wahsatch@planetcomm.net>
To: <southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:31 AM
Subject: [southbendlathe] Help/info for SBL 9" 22-YC model?


Hello,
Been lurking for a while, finally took the plunge and got a lathe.
It's an real oldie - SB 22-YC with the 1 inch headstock pulley. Heavier
than a ton of bricks - especially moving it myself. Covered with oily
grung - no rust.

Came with minimal gearing: 92T on the 8 tpi 5/8" feedscrew and a combo
18T/81T on the 3/4" stud. With a 16T on the spindle, if my calculations
are right, I have the effect of 207 tpi feed for cutting other than
manual. Gearing is 16 DP. Going to get enough gears to cut the spindle
thread and some others - not all.

5 inch 3 jaw SB scroll chuck looks like the jaws may be reversible.
Need to remove the backplate to check the spindle thread size.
Suggestions on backplate removal?

Anyone have a parts list/descriptive list of what came on this oldie?
Searched the back SB email for any and all hints - one website link was
DOA.

Is this a 9" Junior or goes by model 22-YC or both?

Thanks greatly,
-=- Bob Colquitt
Shenandoah Valley

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Re: Bed evaluation

Thomas G Brandl
 

Qbox,
I would say an easy way to judge a lathe that is assembled is to take
a cut off of an aluminum piece of round stock. Aluminum doesn't create as
much tool nose pressure as steel. Then measure the diameter anlong the
length of the piece. This should give a good indication of what the lathe
is capable of cutting. This is assuming that the lathe is properly leveled.
There was a thread on leveling SB lathes a while back. Other lathes have
different ways configurations. I was working on leveling a DnynaMyte 3000H
at the time. It has flat ways and 90 degree ways on both rails of the bed.
I used parrallels and a level. The SB is not so. You will need two 'V'
blocks, and hope to find some unworn ways sections. I did read the page on
the internet site Lurch posted. I have a few problems with it. First, I'm
not sure what configuration of ways the Myford uses. From the description
and other knowlege, I would think it has Boxed ways. I think the Europeans
like boxed ways. Atlas lathes have boxed ways. I think the though on them
is that they are easier to produce and to regrind. The 'V' ways are said to
provide better side deflection stability. The other problem I have is using
a calipher to measure parts. The page states .0005 accuracy. I think there
is one to many zeros there for a dial calipher. I wouldn't use a calipher
of any sort for +/- .001. I also think this might be irrelavent for our SB.
I guess you could put a 'V' block over the way section and measure. Still,
I have an Atlas lathe bed I got in that E-Bay deal. It does have some wear.
I don't think measuring with a flat anvil would give the correct wear. The
flat is only worn in about a 1/3 accross the width.
If you determine what type of measuing would be accurate with the
lathe bed you are looking at, then I'd use Lurch's suggestion of about 1/2
of that measure would be the differnce of the cut. Its hard to find a good
lathe bed. Its hard to determine from a picture the amount of wear.
Tom
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Help/info for SBL 9" 22-YC model?

Bob Colquitt <wahsatch@...>
 

Hello,
Been lurking for a while, finally took the plunge and got a lathe.
It's an real oldie - SB 22-YC with the 1 inch headstock pulley. Heavier
than a ton of bricks - especially moving it myself. Covered with oily
grung - no rust.

Came with minimal gearing: 92T on the 8 tpi 5/8" feedscrew and a combo
18T/81T on the 3/4" stud. With a 16T on the spindle, if my calculations
are right, I have the effect of 207 tpi feed for cutting other than
manual. Gearing is 16 DP. Going to get enough gears to cut the spindle
thread and some others - not all.

5 inch 3 jaw SB scroll chuck looks like the jaws may be reversible.
Need to remove the backplate to check the spindle thread size.
Suggestions on backplate removal?

Anyone have a parts list/descriptive list of what came on this oldie?
Searched the back SB email for any and all hints - one website link was DOA.

Is this a 9" Junior or goes by model 22-YC or both?

Thanks greatly,
-=- Bob Colquitt
Shenandoah Valley


Collet adaptor identification 9" SB

sbwest2002
 

I recently got a collet adapter that fits the spindle of a 9" SB
lathe. On the face in large letters is 10 A , and in small letters
sutton.The rear bore is .685" and the face taper dia. is .925" .
Anybody know the collet no. that fits. Along with it I got 6 collets
marked 3SB Rivett. The look like they fit OK but the keyway bottoms
out just before it closes nd the large collet dia. is about 1/8"
smaller than the .925" dia. Also does the 3 SB mean they are SB
products?


4 way tool post for 9-10" on ebay

kcstott
 

I put my home made tool post on ebay so if you guys are looking for a
cheeper tool post then the QC tool post.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3108344872

Kerry


Re: Bed evaluation

lurchix <lurch@theramp.net> <lurch@...>
 

The bedways on a South Bend are a triangle with the apex truncated.

The carriage ways are narrower than the face of the bedway.

Any filing-off of the ridges at the top and bottom of the face of the
v-way would narrow the width of the v-way at the base, which would
then be measurable. Off the top of my head, the drop in the carriage
would be equal to half the amount of the narrowing of the ways at the
base for a 90-degree V [90 degree included angle at the apex], and
.866 of that amount for a 60-degree bed [60-degree included angle].
[.866=sin 60].

There's a good article on this at
http://www.homepages.mcb.net/howe/News%20Lathe%20Maintenance.htm

www dot homepages dot mcb dot net slash howe slash news percent 20
lathe percent 20 maintenance.htm

Lurch


Bert's email

gorvil
 

Hi Bert,

I keep getting my emails bounced back when I reply to your last
message. There must be something wrong with your account. My
apologies to the group for communicating this way.

I sent Clint $47.00 for the screw plus shipping. He will ship it to
you in a padded envelope.

He didn't have a nut. I will send you one of mine. It may be a bit
worn. I made my own replacement for this nut to reduce backlash. I
will send some bronze stock and a description of how I made my own nut
to fit the worn screw. The shipping on this stuff will also be $12.00
so we're up to $59.00.

We are getting closer


Re: Bed evaluation

qbox09
 

Tom, Sorry if I caused any confusion. What I was after was the best
method to use for evaluation of a bed. How do you evaluate bed wear
on an assembled machine and also if you are purchasing a "naked"
bed. Thanks.

--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, Thomas.G.Brandl@c... wrote:

I'll have to recheck the one bed I have available and see if its
good
enough to sell. Determining what I would consider usable or not
might be
different than yours or someone elses. As far as filing off the
vee, this
wouldn't take care of some of the other problems. The bed would
still be
bowed. You would have accuracy problems, since your tool would be
rising
and lowering during the cut. Posiibly for what work you want to
do, this
would be a problem. I would say the wear in a bed would be
somewhere is the
.005-.010 range that would be going bad. More than a few of the
beds where
beyond that. I think the bed I have available has about .005 wear,
maybe a
bit less. I'll try and inspect it in the next couple of days.
Tom




"qbox09 <mg.bug@v...>" <mg.bug on 01/13/2003 06:24:39 PM

Please respond to southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com

To: southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com
cc:
Subject: [southbendlathe] Bed evaluation


With regards to a 9" South Bend, how do you evaluate the condition
of the bed? I understand the use of the carriage lock to indicate
that wear is present in one area compared to an unworn part of the
bed. But how do you quantify (in .001"s) the amount of wear? How
much is too much? Can a straight edge and feeler gauge be used?

Finally, how do you evaluate a used, naked bed? Could a person
file
off the ridge that forms at the top of the VEE and make a junk bed
appear to be servicable? It's a jungle out there.

Thank you.


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Re: Who is jump_nkd ?

Darrell Coble <dvcoble@...>
 

Hi Anthony, I have a approx. 1965 SB 10K that is under drive and it has the
factory option of a variable speed drive that you change with a wheel on the
front of the pedestal on left side. Did you get a parts list for this
option? I have the diagrams and parts list for the 10K -purchased from SB,
but would like a copy of the variable speed option. It's great that you are
doing this. I will be happy to pay a copying fee. Darrell>


9X42 SB mod A lathe for sale ..fully equipted

zman92020 <daveanne@pacbell.net> <daveanne@...>
 

I finally got my 10 Heavy operational so I'm selling my 9"......

Cabinet and lathe both xlnt... has a new USA made 1 HP motor
I just went thru this lathe..[I wont sell something I'm not sure is
in 'good' condition] and it is ready to use and not have to fix
something on it...the bed has a little wear on the tailstock "V"
but the rest of it is pretty good no dents.... I originally
got this from a R & D shop and it hasn't been abused... I was
told they bought it new...Ser. No.42739NKR9 and HRD101NK
INCLUDES .....Quickchange gear box of course
SOUTHBEND CABINET w NEW MARATHON 1 hp 110/220 single phase
1 BUCK 4" 6 jaw chuck [only 1 set of jaws],
1 Southbend 6" 4 jaw chuck
1 Union [USA] 4" 4 jaw self centering chuck
1 8" face plate
1 4" back plate
1 Southbend 4 position toolpost
1 micrometer carriage stop 1 Southbend Tailstock
1 3C spindle collet adapter but NO handwheel
AND PROBABLY SOME STUFF I HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF
....$1450
YOU ARRANGE FOR SHIPPING OR PICK UP IN SO CALIF

I also have a 5 in and a 6 in Buck 6 jaw chucks that I was going to
adapt to the 10 heavy but I would be willing to include, priced
accordingly..

PICTURES AVAILABLE BUT PLEASE ONLY IF YOU'RE REALLY INTERESTED

Dave


Re: Who is jump_nkd ?

jumpnkd <jumpnkd@aol.com> <jumpnkd@...>
 

--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, anthrhodes@a... wrote:
In a message dated Mon, 13 Jan 2003 22:40:42 -0000, Glen Reeser
writes:

<< I clicked on his name in the members list and it took me to his
Yahoo
profile. I had to certify that I was 18 years or older first. It
lists his
email as jumpnkd(at)aol.com. Lose the underscore. >>

Thanks. At this point I've sent "Test" messages to both "jumpnkd"
and "jump
nkd", both of which passed. I had been unaware of the "spaces
allowed"
parameter.

"Jump nkd", are you still interested in the SB scans?

Anthony
Berkeley, Calif.
I am "jumpnkd" in Va, have a small workshop with a cnc router that i
made, a 109 that i converted to cnc, and now a 13" southbend.
Building a KR2 airplane and a mech by trade. Im 37yr blond and likes
long walks and girls with brown hair. The "jumpnkd" comes from my
skydiving days.
and yes I am still intresterd in the scans.
Bill White Alex VA


Re: my new (to me) SB 9x30ish

Thomas G Brandl
 

Mark,
$850 sounds like a fair price for what you have described and current
prices. Yes the lathe would be considered a 9X30. I am taking that this is
a horizontal drive lathe. IE the motor is in back of the lathe on a drive
pedistal. If it's an Underneath Drive Unit, then I'd say you got a deal. A
few other things would up the value if it came with a taper attachment. I
wouldn't worry to much if it didn't come with one. Unless you are doing
large pipe threads or precision ID tapers, you can turn tapers by
offsetting the tailstock or use the compound. I would check for wobble or
defection in the spindle. It is adjustable. No major concerns of wear or
breakage. Just keep the bed clean and some way oil on it to prevent wear.
Also, make a piece of plywood with some square pieces of wood underneath
its ends to straddle the ways underneathe the chuck. Put this underneathe
the chuck when changing it to prevent it from dropping on the ways and
damaging them. Parts are avialable off of E-Bay or through dealers.
Tom




"mark_dingbaum <mldingba@rockwellcollins.com>" <mldingba on 01/14/2003
03:44:52 PM

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Hi,

Going to pick up my new (to me) South Bend 9"x30"ish lathe tonite. I
don't know much about these lathes. The model is 444 4' bed and
serial number is 159671 three speeds with back gear(six total from
50-630), flat belt, quick change gearbox (4-224 TPI, 40 total feeds),
power cross feed. The bed is 4', but I'd guess this is a 30" c-c
lathe (did not measure). Would this be considered 9x30?

Not much tooling, three-jaw, faceplate, deadcenter, drill chuck, a
couple holders and bits, lantern toolpost. The ways are a little
dinged up from things dropped, but there does not appear to be any
wear on the ways. Runs nice and quiet in all speeds and in all feeds
and directions. Everything is there and works properly, but it is
pretty grimy.

Are these lathes known for certain areas of wear or other problems?
Any info you can provide about this lathe is appreicated.

$850, how'd I do?

thanks in advance,
mark


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Re: Milling Attachment

Kim Steiner
 

Scott: Andy has a web site, courtesy of a friend I think, but he
does not have a home computer, cannot answer email, and cannot
monitor discussion boards such as this. Part of this is his personal
resistance to technological change. However, I think my wife and me
are going to get him fixed up to communicate electronically just as
soon as he is back on his feet. On doctor's orders, he cannot spend
more than 30 minutes at a time standing up until his retina is
healed. Kim Steiner

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wrote:

Sorry to hear about Andy. I always like to stop and chat with him
at
the shows.

I can also understand folks wanting to see what they are getting.
When you see his castings, you know just how nice they are.

As for him being online, he is.

http://www.statecollegecentral.com/metallathe/

The Milling Attachment is shown at:

http://www.statecollegecentral.com/metallathe/MLA-5.html


reproduction plates for all south bend lathes

dt38k1954
 

Greetings. I have been reading some of the letters regarding the
process and remanufacture of the plates for the south bend line. I
have an assortment of plates at my shop and have been conversing with
Jeff Swasey about reproducing them. He's the nice fellow, good enough
to take the time to put together the site that has all the parts
info, that was recently introduced for all of us. Thanks Jeff.
What we have found out is that to have these etched in either the
brass or aluminum is very expensive and not worth what it would take
to supply the demand. I have a local factory that I visited today,
that manufactures name plates in about any style you can imagine. I
took along 10, plates from various models that I have here in stock.
They were very helpfull and gave me allot of information. They
aggreed that etching is big bucks. They did however give me an
alternative to this delima. They offered me, a screen ink type of
plate that would look identical in every aspect of appearance to the
original with the exception of the lettering and numbers being raised
etched, on either brass or aluminum. The finish would be clear coated
and baked and their samples that they supplied me are very
professional. They have been in business for a long time and have an
excellent reputation fo producing a fine product. I plan to return
with an order to have them produce plates for the 9-10K, model A
double lever gearbox and the heavy 10 double lever gearbox. They also
offered to pre-form the plates to fit the contour of the box face. It
will take between 3-4 weeks to produce the art work for my approval
before production will begin. The plates will also have the 4
attachment holes. Depending on the size of the plate, will be the
number produced per sheet of material, and the cost per piece. I also
have plans to have others manufactured as time goes on. I presently
have the following plates available for manufacture, and cost per
piece, plus shipping.
#1 Lubrication chart from the primary gear cover on a 9" model A,
1944 model, red on tin, would be converted to aluminum 25.00
#2 Lubrication chart from the center belt cover on a heavy 10 #441-1
red on brass 25.00
#3 Lubrication chart from the center belt cover on a heavy 10,
#441-4 black on aluminum, 1978 model with hardened ways 25.00
#4 Metric transposing gear chart from 1978 heavy 10, black on
aluminum 40.00
#5 Metric transposing gear chart from 1944 9", model A, red and
black on brass 40.00
#6 Heavy 10, double lever gearbox chart from 1978 model, black on
aluminum, 480 tpi 40.00
#7 Heavy 10, double lever gearbox chart from early model, black and
red on brass, 480 tpi 40.00
#8 9"-10K model A gearbox chart from box with 2 oilers, black and
red on brass, 224 tpi 35.00
#9 9"-10K model A gearbox chart from box with 1 oiler, black and red
on tin, would be converted to aluminum 35.00
#10 heavy 10 single lever gearbox chart from 40's model, black and
red on tin, would be converted to aluminum 25.00
#11 13" with single lever gearbox chart, black and red on tin, would
be converted to aluminum N/A
#12 Lubrication chart from 7" shaper N/A
#13 South Bend shield from front door on heavy 10
navy cabinet door N/A
I will be looking for more plates to get quotes on. I can be reached
at 319-378-9889 Thanks Randy


Re: reproduction plates for all south bend lathes

kelyaudk@...
 

In a message dated 1/14/2003 8:34:47 PM Central Standard Time, peep38k@... writes:


Will be looking for more plates to get quotes on. I can be reached
at 319-378-9889 Thanks Randy




WOW u have been busy. These 14-1/2" people are too STINGY to pay $10.00 for a metric chart so forget them? yes?

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