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Re: Aloris AXA question

LEW BEST <bcl@...>
 

Well, can’t say I’ve ever seen one like that.  I’ll bet someone will have seen one, though.

 

Lew

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Fuller [mailto:sefuller@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:39 PM
To: southbendlathe@...
Subject: Re: [southbendlathe] Aloris AXA question

 

LEW BEST wrote:

Hi Scott

Sounds like the holders may be KDK holders.I have a KDK and it adjusts that way. Just got an Aloris; like it a lot better.See eBay item 1748614775.do they look like that?

Don’t know much about the AXA; my lathe takes a CXA.So far I haven’t found ANY info on Aloris (a friend of mine bought a new one; said it had no literature included.I emailed Aloris (about a week ago) but no reply.


No, they don't look like that.  They fit on the Aloris toolpost just fine, it's just that there is nothing to catch the adjusting screw underneath.   They sound like what Frank describes - the setscrew goes in from the top, about centered on the V.  The toolpost itself has the Aloris plate on it, the holders just have numbers, no makers ID that I can determine.

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Milwaukee, WI
 


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Re: Aloris AXA question

Scott Fuller <sefuller@...>
 

LEW BEST wrote:
Hi Scott

Sounds like the holders may be KDK holders.I have a KDK and it adjusts that way. Just got an Aloris; like it a lot better.See eBay item 1748614775.do they look like that?

Don�t know much about the AXA; my lathe takes a CXA.So far I haven�t found ANY info on Aloris (a friend of mine bought a new one; said it had no literature included.I emailed Aloris (about a week ago) but no reply.


No, they don't look like that.  They fit on the Aloris toolpost just fine, it's just that there is nothing to catch the adjusting screw underneath.   They sound like what Frank describes - the setscrew goes in from the top, about centered on the V.  The toolpost itself has the Aloris plate on it, the holders just have numbers, no makers ID that I can determine.

--
Scott Fuller
Milwaukee, WI
 

Re: Aloris AXA question

frankkerfoot
 

Scott (and Lew)
I have a FIMS toolholder, and they also adjust with a setscrew, so that is another possibility. On my FIMS the setscrew goes in the top of the holder at about the middle of the inside of the V, and picks up a post which protrudes from the tool post. If yours doesn't look like the Ebay picture of the KDK Jim pointed to they could be FIMS. I don't have a picture handy unfortunately.
Frank Kerfoot

Sounds like the holders may be KDK holders.  I have a KDK and it adjusts that way.  Just got an Aloris; like it a lot better.  See eBay item 1748614775.  do they look like that?

 

Don’t know much about the AXA; my lathe takes a CXA.  So far I haven’t found ANY info on Aloris (a friend of mine bought a new one; said it had no literature included.  I emailed Aloris (about a week ago) but no reply.

 

Lew

 

I recently purchased an Aloris AXA piston style toolpost (used) with a
few toolholders.  I don't believe the holders are Aloris, and they
look a little different than what I have seen in most pictures.
Instead of a thumbwheel and nut for height adjustment, they have a set
screw that goes down through the bottom of the holder. 

Re: first southbend, now bridgeport

James Early <j.w.early@...>
 

Wishful thinking?
JWE
Long Beach, CA

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Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 2:24 PM
Subject: [southbendlathe] Re: first southbend, now bridgeport


--- In southbendlathe@y..., tom jelly <jelkil@i...> wrote:
Which company will I doom next??
Yahoo?



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Re: Aloris AXA question

LEW BEST <bcl@...>
 

Hi Scott

 

Sounds like the holders may be KDK holders.  I have a KDK and it adjusts that way.  Just got an Aloris; like it a lot better.  See eBay item 1748614775.  do they look like that?

 

Don’t know much about the AXA; my lathe takes a CXA.  So far I haven’t found ANY info on Aloris (a friend of mine bought a new one; said it had no literature included.  I emailed Aloris (about a week ago) but no reply.

 

Lew

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Fuller [mailto:sefuller@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:42 PM
To: southbendlathe@...
Subject: [southbendlathe] Aloris AXA question

 

I recently purchased an Aloris AXA piston style toolpost (used) with a
few toolholders.  I don't believe the holders are Aloris, and they
look a little different than what I have seen in most pictures.
Instead of a thumbwheel and nut for height adjustment, they have a set
screw that goes down through the bottom of the holder.  The problem I
have is that the set screw doesn't hit anything - it comes down
outside the edges of the compound rest.  It looks like there is room
for a 1/4" thick disk between the compound rest and the bottom of the
toolpost - is there supposed to be something like this?  Also, a few
of the holders will lock on one side of the post, but not on the other
side.  Is there an adjustment for how far out the pistons travel, or
some other way to adjust this?  Better yet, is there an online
instruction manual or exploded diagram of the piston style holder?

Thanks,
--
Scott Fuller
Milwaukee, WI


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Aloris AXA question

Scott Fuller <sefuller@...>
 

I recently purchased an Aloris AXA piston style toolpost (used) with a
few toolholders. I don't believe the holders are Aloris, and they
look a little different than what I have seen in most pictures.
Instead of a thumbwheel and nut for height adjustment, they have a set
screw that goes down through the bottom of the holder. The problem I
have is that the set screw doesn't hit anything - it comes down
outside the edges of the compound rest. It looks like there is room
for a 1/4" thick disk between the compound rest and the bottom of the
toolpost - is there supposed to be something like this? Also, a few
of the holders will lock on one side of the post, but not on the other
side. Is there an adjustment for how far out the pistons travel, or
some other way to adjust this? Better yet, is there an online
instruction manual or exploded diagram of the piston style holder?

Thanks,
--
Scott Fuller
Milwaukee, WI
Re: first southbend, now bridgeport

alberg_30_229 <zira@...>
 

--- In southbendlathe@y..., tom jelly <jelkil@i...> wrote:
Which company will I doom next??
Yahoo?
Mortor Hi-Pro key

puckles1 <tdelaney2@...>
 

There is a special woodruff key locating the back gear Bull Gear on
the 10K lathe.

The one that I have is really whacked and in addition, I spent hours
scraping and honing the Bul Gear so that it fit the spindle properly

The key is listed in the parts manual as a "Mortor Hi-Pro Key. It has
little tangs on the end to prevent it from rocking when intalling the
Bull Gear, Drive Pulley and Thrust Bearings.

This is quite a chore when you have all of the proper parts.

Any help in locating this key would be appreciated.

regards
tomd
Re: felt oilers and .004 play

k3vyl
 

--- In southbendlathe@y..., "tjque" <tjqu@a...> wrote:
On my 9 inch the oilers never had any felt in them when purchased.
I
have some sheet felt that I could cut in strips (size/length??).
Can
I just force the strips into the oilers or do I need to take them
apart?
Also I checked the runout on my spindle, placing a shaft in a
mounted
chuck and lifting. On my dial gage I get .004" play. Is this way
too
much (no NASA work here)? I have bronze bushings in the headstock.
Thanks
Tim Q

The bronze box bearings have a closer tolerence I believe
its .0007".That is an older machine,Im not sure it even had
felts.Look in the files part of this list there may be a breakdown of
that setup. RC
Re: eBay item 1756117806 (Ends Aug-12-02 083152 PDT ) - Lathe 5C Collet Closer Hand

k3vyl
 

--- In southbendlathe@y..., "James Early" <j.w.early@w...> wrote:
Chris
He wants at least $90 for it and will take more from those who do
not check.
One thing is the taper adapter will only fit a limited number of
machines as
a lot have said most of the heavy 10s have a different taper. I
know my
12x36 Enco at work has a 5MT spindle so this will not work in it.
On my 9" A
the drawbar I got for it came with an adapter for 3C collets but at
the best
of times they are hard to come by. When I got my Burke mill it came
with a
drawbar and adapter from B&S taper to 2A collets and a dozen
collets and the
threads on the two sizes are the same, just a little difference in
length
and slightly different closing taper. It took all of an hour apiece
to make

Dont forget the steel bushing to go between the handwheel and the
back end of the spindle.This allows you to cut the drawtube on the
long side,then adjust the length of the bushing to get the thread
engagement just right. RC
a 3MT to 2A for the lathe and the same to make a B&S to 3C for the
mill. You
have the lathe and a compound that can duplicate any taper ever
made or
likely to be made. So now all you need is a piece of water pipe for
the
drawbar, a 5C collet to size the closing taper from, a piece of
aluminum for
the closing knob and some time to do it.
JWE
Long Beach, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Strazzeri <cjstrazz@a...>
To: <southbendlathe@y...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:46 PM
Subject: [southbendlathe] eBay item 1756117806 (Ends Aug-12-02
083152
PDT ) - Lathe 5C Collet Closer Hand


Maybe I'm dense, but I don't get this! This item recurs on ebay
often.
It's new
and some of our members have purchased it. What I don't get is
this; the
sellers starting price is $90.00. There is no buy now price. Yet,
if you
click
on the link to his on line store he sells it outright for $90.00.
I'm,
duh,
confused! What am I missing here?

Chris


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=1756117806&r=0&t=0&showTu
tori
al=0&ed=1029166312&indexURL=0&rd=1
first southbend, now bridgeport

tom jelly <jelkil@...>
 

OK, 2 weeks after I buy my SB lathe the company goes bust, now 2 weeks after
I get my Bport THEY do the same. Which company will I doom next??


Bridgeport Machines Lays Off 140
Mon Aug 5, 2:50 PM ET

The workers were let go without any severance, said Rick Clemens, the
company's president. Bridgeport Machines filed for bankruptcy protection in
February.

The company, founded in 1938 in Bridgeport, Conn., at one time had thousands
of employees. It is the latest in a long line of manufacturers to leave the
state's largest city, where abandoned factory buildings dominate the
landscape in some sections.

The city will work with the state to help the workers find new jobs, said
Joseph Gresko, a spokesman for Mayor Joseph Ganim.

Bridgeport Machines expects to close unless a new owner decides to keep the
business open, Clemens said. BPT Holding Inc., a subsidiary of American
Capital Strategies in Bethesda, Md., was approved by the bankruptcy court in
July to buy the business from Goldman Industrial Group in Boston, but the
deal has not yet closed.

The company wants to close the Bridgeport factory and operate the business
from abroad, Clemens said.

Bridgeport Machines makes milling machines, grinders and other products for
the military, aerospace and automotive industries.

The company has been hurt by a sharp drop in sales in the machine tools
industry in the past few years because of the weak economy, Clemens said.
Re: Model C to model A

billt051 <billt1951@...>
 

G'Day Clint,

I know of a good site! It's called Southbendlathe on Yahoo groups.
Try:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southbendlathe/files/9%22%20Conversion/

There is a wealth of knowledge in our very own 'Files' area.

Check it out!!

Regards

Bill Thornley
Sydney, Aus.

clint wrote:
Do you know of a site, etc that I can look at that shows what all is
involved in converting?
#' Bed Mod A lead Screw #'

Clint D <driggars@...>
 

I am looking for a Mod A 9" lead screw for a 3' bed, any one got one?
Clint
Re: eBay item 1756117806 (Ends Aug-12-02 083152 PDT ) - Lathe 5C Collet Closer Hand

James Early <j.w.early@...>
 

Chris
He wants at least $90 for it and will take more from those who do not check.
One thing is the taper adapter will only fit a limited number of machines as
a lot have said most of the heavy 10s have a different taper. I know my
12x36 Enco at work has a 5MT spindle so this will not work in it. On my 9" A
the drawbar I got for it came with an adapter for 3C collets but at the best
of times they are hard to come by. When I got my Burke mill it came with a
drawbar and adapter from B&S taper to 2A collets and a dozen collets and the
threads on the two sizes are the same, just a little difference in length
and slightly different closing taper. It took all of an hour apiece to make
a 3MT to 2A for the lathe and the same to make a B&S to 3C for the mill. You
have the lathe and a compound that can duplicate any taper ever made or
likely to be made. So now all you need is a piece of water pipe for the
drawbar, a 5C collet to size the closing taper from, a piece of aluminum for
the closing knob and some time to do it.
JWE
Long Beach, CA

----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Strazzeri <cjstrazz@att.net>
To: <southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 7:46 PM
Subject: [southbendlathe] eBay item 1756117806 (Ends Aug-12-02 083152
PDT ) - Lathe 5C Collet Closer Hand


Maybe I'm dense, but I don't get this! This item recurs on ebay often.
It's new
and some of our members have purchased it. What I don't get is this; the
sellers starting price is $90.00. There is no buy now price. Yet, if you
click
on the link to his on line store he sells it outright for $90.00. I'm,
duh,
confused! What am I missing here?

Chris


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&;item=1756117806&r=0&t=0&showTu
tori
al=0&ed=1029166312&indexURL=0&rd=1
Re: eBay item 1756117806 (Ends Aug-12-02 083152 PDT ) - Lathe 5C Collet Closer Hand

Clinton Driggars <driggars@...>
 

That means that he has several of them, and he only lists one at a time to
let people know that they are available, you can buy them for the price.
Just be smart enough to not bid on the one listed and pay more for it than
you can buy it for.
Clint

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Strazzeri" <cjstrazz@att.net>
To: <southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:46 PM
Subject: [southbendlathe] eBay item 1756117806 (Ends Aug-12-02 083152
PDT ) - Lathe 5C Collet Closer Hand


Maybe I'm dense, but I don't get this! This item recurs on ebay often.
It's new
and some of our members have purchased it. What I don't get is this; the
sellers starting price is $90.00. There is no buy now price. Yet, if you
click
on the link to his on line store he sells it outright for $90.00. I'm,
duh,
confused! What am I missing here?

Chris


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&;item=1756117806&r=0&t=0&showTu
tori
al=0&ed=1029166312&indexURL=0&rd=1



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eBay item 1756117806 (Ends Aug-12-02 083152 PDT ) - Lathe 5C Collet Closer Hand

Christopher Strazzeri <cjstrazz@...>
 

Maybe I'm dense, but I don't get this! This item recurs on ebay often. It's new
and some of our members have purchased it. What I don't get is this; the
sellers starting price is $90.00. There is no buy now price. Yet, if you click
on the link to his on line store he sells it outright for $90.00. I'm, duh,
confused! What am I missing here?

Chris


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&;item=1756117806&r=0&t=0&showTutori
al=0&ed=1029166312&indexURL=0&rd=1


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Re: ENCO=MSC

Christopher Strazzeri <cjstrazz@...>
 

Hi ya'll,

Thanks for the replies regarding the ball bearing import chuck and the most
facinating information about the relationship between MSC and Enco. I've been
purchasing from MSC for about 28 years but only recently been purchasing from
Enco. I had no idea that they were related in any way. I've never been
disapointed when purchasing an import through MSC. When the quality is high they
always stated "Top quality Import". I was just curious if Enco held it self to
the same standards.

By the way, the MSC catalog has grown quite a bit over the years. The damn thing
has grown so big and heavy that it cuts off the circulation in my legs but
prefer it to loading the disc.

Thanks to all,
Chris
Delray Beach, Fl.
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Re: spindle play and oilers

jlrsn
 

Tom,
I'd appreciate receiving a copy or retype of the spec sheet on
setting up the spindle and bearings.
Thanks
Jim Larsen

--- In southbendlathe@y..., "puckles1" <tdelaney2@e...> wrote:
Thanks to Rose at LeBlond, I got a spec sheet on setting up the
spindle and bearings.

I would scan it and e-mail to anyone interested if the fax was a
little better.

On second thought I will retype it(4 pages) and e-mail it to any
interested party(s).

by the way the clearance for the bronze bearings is anything
under .0015", with a 75lb lifton the spindle.

The one's with cast iron bearings is under .001" with the same lift.

The adjustment is done using SB laminated shim. (Which I am still
trying to get more information on.


The oilers are cylinders with a spring pressing them against the
spindle. I would recommend geting the correct parts: as follows

South Bend Part # Capillary Oil Assembly {P/N) AS373KH2

Get this from LeBlond )888-532-5663)

I have more info regarding the proper setup

Please send me an e-mail if I may be of any assistance

Regards
Tom Delaney
Re: 13" SBL metric thread chart

jlrsn
 

Frank,
It's a real pleasure reading your postings which are like lessons! I save them all! One of these days I want to start cutting gears using my 7" SBL Shaper. Back about 20 years ago I had a 10K that I bought at an auction that had a few teeth missing on the small gear that was part of the spindle assembly itself. I found a Boston Gear that was a perfect match and I machined the gear off of the spindle and also off of the ID of the Boston Gear. I made it a press fit using Loctite RC-35 on the shoulder and it ran quiet and to my knowledge is still running today. I remember that the DP was the same. If you ever get a chance I'd like a copy of your revised Excel spreadsheet you made up regarding the metric gears.
Looking forward to your next posting.
Jim Larsen

--- In southbendlathe@y..., kerfoot@c... wrote:
Jim
The real issue in terms of gear availability is the diametral pitch (DP) of the gears (that is, the tooth size) in your standard lathe configuration. The new 127 and 100 tooth gears need to mesh with the existing stud and gearbox input gears, and that means they need to be the same DP. I don't see any clues on DP for the 13" in my 10"/13"/14.5"/16" parts list.

At least one of your stud gear choices is I believe 48 tooth. If so and it is 16 DP (the size Boston Gear sells), the OD (over the ends of the teeth) will be very close to 3.125". If my guess is wrong on tooth count, measure any gear you can find, divide 16 into the number of teeth (count them) and add .125". If that is the OD (or very close) the gears are 16 DP and you can buy compatible 127 and 100 tooth versions from Boston Gear. If anything your gears will be larger tooth gears (i.e. smaller DP) than the 16 DP gears in the heavy 10". Boston Gear does sell change gears in larger sizes (but the next bigger size may be 12 DP), and I don't know if they have 127 and 100 tooth in that DP.

On the topic of using my approach, the general approach (but not the specific answers) should work for any standard stud and input gears, and any lead screw TPI. You need to start back at the "pitch = 20/TPI setting" equation (which includes the combination of the standard stud and input gears as well as the lead screw thread, with the 127/100 combination added) and then do variations caused by different stud and input gears relative to the standard ones. I expect you will get a different set than I did for the 10L, and I can't tell if just 2 additional loose gears will allow cutting most metric pitches (as worked out for the 10L).

Frank Kerfoot
----- Original Message -----
From: jlrsn
To: southbendlathe@y...
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 12:02 PM
Subject: [southbendlathe] Re: 13" SBL metric thread chart


Mark,
Thanks for the info. Has anyone found these gears on the open market
like at Boston Gear?
Jim Larsen

--- In southbendlathe@y..., Mark Long <morsetaper2@y...> wrote:
> The 13" has a 6 tpi leadscrew whereas the 10L has an 8
> tpi. So things are a little different. Rather than
> the 56 tooth idler gear (I think that is what they
> call it on the 10L & 13??) the 13" uses a 64 T gear
> along with the 127/100 T gear. You change out the
> stud gear.
>
> For a short time I have posted some pics of the 13"
> metric threading gear chart that I recently sold on
> ebay at my webspace. Actually should be same for all
> 6 tpi leadscrew SB lathes-I think??
>
> http://members2.boo.net/~mlong/SBmetric1.jpg
>
> http://members2.boo.net/~mlong/SBmetric2.jpg
>
> http://members2.boo.net/~mlong/SBmetric3.jpg
>
>
> --- southbendlathe@y... wrote:
> > From: "jlrsn" <jim-larsen@a...>
> > Subject: Re: metric conversion
> > Frank,
> > I'm watching what you are doing with your heavy 10"
> > as I also have a
> > 13" SB with the Taper Attachment and all the bells
> > and whistles. I
> > believe the heavy 10" and the 13" can use the same
> > gearing for
> > cutting metric threads. Please keep me informed.
> > Jim
>
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