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Re: South Bend lathe

airydisc2004 <airydisc2004@...>
 

Peter

I attached a couple of photos to my last message but they don't seem
to have been stored. I went to the photos and file section, but
again, no links to enable posting files or photos (even though on the
Help link, it says there are links)! If you send me your email
address I will forward on the two images I have.

Best regards

AD2004



--- In southbendlathe@..., "Peter Sanders" <psanders@...>
wrote:

Hi

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:16:56 +0800, airydisc2004
<airydisc2004@...> wrote:

Hi. I know nothing about South Bend lathes but a friend of mine
in the
UK has had one left to her, and wants to know a little about it.
I believe it is a South Bend 10. There are also boxes of various
tools.

Ooooh, I wish that was ME :D

Are these lathes sought after?
YES!

Are they useful for today's small businesses or hobbyists?
YES! Absolutely! Depending on the model could be even better than a
Myford.

Do they have a general value.
YES!

I am told it is in great condition and most of the tools unused.
Even MORE value.

Sorry to be so vague, but need to start asking questions
somewhere.
Any help/directions to useful websites/advice gratefully received.

I have a couple of images of the lathe if that will help.
Yes, it would be of assitance to any potential buyer

--
Kind Regards

Peter Sanders


Re: South Bend lathe

Chris Garvey <airydisc2004@...>
 

Hi Peter.
 
I have attached a couple of photos.
 
Regards
 
AD2004


Peter Sanders wrote:
Hi

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:16:56 +0800, airydisc2004
wrote:

> Hi. I know nothing about South Bend lathes but a friend of mine in the
> UK has had one left to her, and wants to know a little about it.
> I believe it is a South Bend 10. There are also boxes of various tools.

Ooooh, I wish that was ME :D

> Are these lathes sought after?

YES!

> Are they useful for today's small businesses or hobbyists?

YES! Absolutely! Depending on the model could be even better than a Myford.

> Do they have a general value.

YES!

> I am told it is in great condition and most of the tools unused.

Even MORE value.

> Sorry to be so vague, but need to start asking questions somewhere.
> Any help/directions to useful websites/advice gratefully received.
>
> I have a couple of images of the lathe if that will help.

Yes, it would be of assitance to any potential buyer

--
Kind Regards

Peter Sanders


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Re: 5C collets w/ L00 heavy 10

BOB WRIGHT
 

I came up with 1957 for the year...Bob

--- In southbendlathe@..., tvoght@... wrote:

Hi,
I've recently acquired a Heavy 10 (Cat. #CLK187A, S.N. 10036RKK14).


Re: 5C collets w/ L00 heavy 10

fred eisner
 

hi guys
i have L-00 nose protectors
$50 ea + shipping
contact me at imsteamer21@... for pics and info
thanks fred



To: southbendlathe@...
From: dennis.turk2@...
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:59:43 -0700
Subject: Re: [southbendlathe] 5C collets w/ L00 heavy 10

Hi Tim
 
The LOO used a nose piece similar to the D1-4 and the threaded 2 14 - 8. If you can give a fairly close dimension of the very  outside diameter of the taper on the spindle nose I will see if it matches up with a couple of nose pieces I have on the shelf.  I am not sure what these go to as I have had them for years now.  The taper will be correct but its the outside registration diameter what we need.  Also If can call Royal Products they still sell nose pieces for any lathe and they will have recorded what nose piece your lathe will need.  They make about the best most accurate nose piece I have ever used.  They guarantee or at least use to .0002 concentricity with the outside taper to collet taper.  Most of the time I found them to be .0001 or less.  The L series nose ring may be a problem to find.  You may have to make an approximate item.  You mostly wont something to keep the locking thread ring from banging around when you using collets.  Other than that its not all that important on a L nose to have one.  You can always remove the nose piece with a knock out bar from the rear of the lathe.   This is what you have to do on any D series spindle and is really recommended for even threaded nose spindles as the thread protector ring is just that  something to keep idiots from running the tool into the spindle thread.  Hey seen it happen then when you have been around lathes for 45 years you see a lot of things you would rather not see.
 
If you can find an old battered chuck back plate you can as I did machine most of it away and make a nose ring from that as it will have the thread for the locking ring.
 
Turk
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:02 PM
Subject: [southbendlathe] 5C collets w/ L00 heavy 10

Hi,
I've recently acquired a Heavy 10 (Cat. #CLK187A, S.N. 10036RKK14).
I have dozens of questions, but let me start with this:

The lathe has a L00 spindle. What does it take to use 5C collets with
the lathe. I have seen (on ebay) adapters for threaded spindles.
(e.g. ebay item #120110552252)
These seem to consist of an adapter sleeve, a 'nose protector' which
threads onto the spindle, and a drawtube. I am assuming the same
sleeve might be used with the L00, but the nose protector is clearly
out. I can imagine what might be required, but find very little mention
in all my searching. Do I desire something that is unobtainable?

--Tim



Re: What model is my lathe?

Steve Wells
 

Jack, I may have spoken to soon, now it could be a 1948.
I don't have enough numbers in my serial number file to say for
sure. Why don't you call Leblond and find out? They will give you the line card
information over the phone or by e-mail. Then I would have one more confirmed
number in my file.
 
Steve 


Re: South Bend lathe

Peter Sanders <psanders@...>
 

Hi

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:16:56 +0800, airydisc2004 <airydisc2004@...> wrote:

Hi. I know nothing about South Bend lathes but a friend of mine in the
UK has had one left to her, and wants to know a little about it.
I believe it is a South Bend 10. There are also boxes of various tools.
Ooooh, I wish that was ME :D

Are these lathes sought after?
YES!

Are they useful for today's small businesses or hobbyists?
YES! Absolutely! Depending on the model could be even better than a Myford.

Do they have a general value.
YES!

I am told it is in great condition and most of the tools unused.
Even MORE value.

Sorry to be so vague, but need to start asking questions somewhere.
Any help/directions to useful websites/advice gratefully received.

I have a couple of images of the lathe if that will help.
Yes, it would be of assitance to any potential buyer

--
Kind Regards

Peter Sanders


Re: 5C collets w/ L00 heavy 10

Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...>
 

Hi Tim
 
The LOO used a nose piece similar to the D1-4 and the threaded 2 14 - 8. If you can give a fairly close dimension of the very  outside diameter of the taper on the spindle nose I will see if it matches up with a couple of nose pieces I have on the shelf.  I am not sure what these go to as I have had them for years now.  The taper will be correct but its the outside registration diameter what we need.  Also If can call Royal Products they still sell nose pieces for any lathe and they will have recorded what nose piece your lathe will need.  They make about the best most accurate nose piece I have ever used.  They guarantee or at least use to .0002 concentricity with the outside taper to collet taper.  Most of the time I found them to be .0001 or less.  The L series nose ring may be a problem to find.  You may have to make an approximate item.  You mostly wont something to keep the locking thread ring from banging around when you using collets.  Other than that its not all that important on a L nose to have one.  You can always remove the nose piece with a knock out bar from the rear of the lathe.   This is what you have to do on any D series spindle and is really recommended for even threaded nose spindles as the thread protector ring is just that  something to keep idiots from running the tool into the spindle thread.  Hey seen it happen then when you have been around lathes for 45 years you see a lot of things you would rather not see.
 
If you can find an old battered chuck back plate you can as I did machine most of it away and make a nose ring from that as it will have the thread for the locking ring.
 
Turk

----- Original Message -----
From: tvoght@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:02 PM
Subject: [southbendlathe] 5C collets w/ L00 heavy 10

Hi,
I've recently acquired a Heavy 10 (Cat. #CLK187A, S.N. 10036RKK14).
I have dozens of questions, but let me start with this:

The lathe has a L00 spindle. What does it take to use 5C collets with
the lathe. I have seen (on ebay) adapters for threaded spindles.
(e.g. ebay item #120110552252)
These seem to consist of an adapter sleeve, a 'nose protector' which
threads onto the spindle, and a drawtube. I am assuming the same
sleeve might be used with the L00, but the nose protector is clearly
out. I can imagine what might be required, but find very little mention
in all my searching. Do I desire something that is unobtainable?

--Tim


Re: What model is my lathe?

Jack Dinan <jdinan@...>
 

Steve: I Googled Leblond and found on their site an information form. I'll begin by filling that out. Thanks for the lead.
I'll let you know the results.
Jack

Jack, I may have spoken to soon, now it could be a 1948.
I don't have enough numbers in my serial number file to say for
sure. Why don't you call Leblond and find out? They will give you the line card
information over the phone or by e-mail. Then I would have one more confirmed
number in my file.

Steve


Re: What model is my lathe?

Steve Wells
 

The Y is a 3 foot bed, and back to the 8, I think that was a revision change number.
 
Steve


Re: What model is my lathe?

Steve Wells
 

Jack,
Your lathe is a 1947, and yes a catalog model 444, would have the
code designation NAR in the serial number, that would be a 9" model A
6 speed horizontal motor drive(HMD) bench lathe.
I'm not sure about the 8 on the end on the number of a 9" , on the 10" tool room lathe
the 8 in the model number Designates a toolroom lathe, such as CL-8-xxx-x-x.
 
Steve  


Re: What model is my lathe?

Jack Dinan <jdinan@...>
 

Steve: Thanks a lot for taking the time to reply. The year 1947 jibes with the conversation I had with the previous owner as I was inspecting the lathe. He was an older gentleman who told me he purchased it new in 1948.

So I am the second owner. How great is that!
Jack





Jack,
Your lathe is a 1947, and yes a catalog model 444, would have the
code designation NAR in the serial number, that would be a 9" model A
6 speed horizontal motor drive(HMD) bench lathe.
I'm not sure about the 8 on the end on the number of a 9" , on the 10" tool room lathe
the 8 in the model number Designates a toolroom lathe, such as CL-8-xxx-x-x.

Steve



South Bend lathe

airydisc2004 <airydisc2004@...>
 

Hi. I know nothing about South Bend lathes but a friend of mine in the
UK has had one left to her, and wants to know a little about it.
I believe it is a South Bend 10. There are also boxes of various tools.

Are these lathes sought after?
Are they useful for today's small businesses or hobbyists?
Do they have a general value. I am told it is in great condition and
most of the tools unused.

Sorry to be so vague, but need to start asking questions somewhere.
Any help/directions to useful websites/advice gratefully received.

I have a couple of images of the lathe if that will help.

Regards

AD2004


What model is my lathe?

John Dinan <jdinan@...>
 

SN: 8611NAR8

I'm sure it is buried in this number, but please help me determine it.
From the photos in the catalog that came with it, it looks to me as
though it might be either a Toolroom or a Model A. The previous owner
has written 444-Y on the front page of the Attachments catalog. Is
this significant?
Thanks,
Jack


Re: 1936 9" SB 4.5' bed SN# 65872

waynegordner
 

Thanks Denny for the information. Wayne

Yep she's a 415 not a C model as it look like it was built in mid
1936. A B and C models came out in 1939 and had quite a few changes
made compared to the earlier catalog 415 lathe.
Turk


5C collets w/ L00 heavy 10

Tim Voght
 

Hi,
I've recently acquired a Heavy 10 (Cat. #CLK187A, S.N. 10036RKK14).
I have dozens of questions, but let me start with this:

The lathe has a L00 spindle. What does it take to use 5C collets with
the lathe. I have seen (on ebay) adapters for threaded spindles.
(e.g. ebay item #120110552252)
These seem to consist of an adapter sleeve, a 'nose protector' which
threads onto the spindle, and a drawtube. I am assuming the same
sleeve might be used with the L00, but the nose protector is clearly
out. I can imagine what might be required, but find very little mention
in all my searching. Do I desire something that is unobtainable?

--Tim


Re: v-belt conversion

Timothy Elkins <timothyelkins@...>
 

Thanks for the info, I will give the serpentine belt a try.

"Jim B." wrote:

With a lot less effort you can replace the leather belt with a serpentine belt.
That's even more updated than a vee belt.
 
This is data on modifying a heavy 10
Jim B.


Re: Model C Half Nuts

Jim B. <btdtrfandmw@...>
 

Thanks Dennis, I was not aware of this. I do have a spare set of 405 half nuts AND the studs that go with them.
I have run into the bump problem. You will remember that I sold you the last spare set of half nuts I had. They had come from a 405 that you had purchased but without the nuts. When I went to install these on my 405, prior to selling them to you, They would not fit. The bump was in the way.
 
Jim B.


From: southbendlathe@... [mailto:southbendlathe@...] On Behalf Of Dennis Turk
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:21 PM
To: southbendlathe@...
Subject: Re: [southbendlathe] Re: Model C Half Nuts

Well helloooooooooooooooooo Rick
 
Hey good to hear from you.  No I have not started on the Wade 8 A yet as I am still honing my restoration skills on these lowly SB lathes.:-)))
 
In  fact Rick I did a three day round trip by myself to Denver last year to pick up another one that was not complete and had been damaged.  Sold the thread dial and tail stock and covered the original cost.  HE HE the company picked up my travel expenses so was a cheap trip.
 
When we left you there in Santa Anna we had planned on staying the night there but after what we saw there we got the hell out.  I did not stop driving till we were a 100 miles North of LA.  God what a terrible place Santa Anna is.  Then when you come from the Willamette valley here in Oregon almost any other place is terrible."-))))
 
As to the half nuts you ask about I hope my explanation of what the little bump on the bottom of the lower nut was clear.  I have set up two sets of brand new nuts and I had to grind this little projection so the nuts would not drag on the lead screw when they were open.  I have actually had to do this on a couple of other lathe when I was mixing and matching my best parts on an apron assembly.  Seams there was a lot of difference in apron and nut castings.
 
One other thing I ran into and Jim B needs to know this.  The special studs that hold the half nuts on a 405 and on the prototype 415 I have are longer than all the later lathes I have worked with.  These original studs or special bolts are about 1/4 inch longer than standard workshop models.  Just something for you guys to put back in the memoir bank for future reference.  The apron casting is just a little thicker in the half nut area on a 405 lathe.
 
Turk

----- Original Message -----
From: tuffree
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: [southbendlathe] Re: Model C Half Nuts

--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Turk"
...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Rick
>
> OK all workshop lathes from 1936 to the end will interchange. The
405 will not as they are left hand threads were as yours are right
hand.
>
> I have found that there may be a little fitting required as there
is
a little lump on the bottom nut that is a stop when the nuts are
open.
Some times I have had to grind this a little so the half nuts when
open
do not drag on the lead screw. Think this is normal fitting
requirements as I have always had to do this when the nuts were brand
new.
>
> Turk
********************************************************************
Thanks Dennis.
I didn't know the 405 had a LH screw.
BTW, you may remember me, I met you in Santa Ana, Ca. (2005?) when
you picked up the Wade 8A. Have you restored it yet?
Thanks again for the quart of South Bend paint you brought with you.

Rick


Re: Model C Half Nuts

Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...>
 

Well helloooooooooooooooooo Rick
 
Hey good to hear from you.  No I have not started on the Wade 8 A yet as I am still honing my restoration skills on these lowly SB lathes.:-)))
 
In  fact Rick I did a three day round trip by myself to Denver last year to pick up another one that was not complete and had been damaged.  Sold the thread dial and tail stock and covered the original cost.  HE HE the company picked up my travel expenses so was a cheap trip.
 
When we left you there in Santa Anna we had planned on staying the night there but after what we saw there we got the hell out.  I did not stop driving till we were a 100 miles North of LA.  God what a terrible place Santa Anna is.  Then when you come from the Willamette valley here in Oregon almost any other place is terrible."-))))
 
As to the half nuts you ask about I hope my explanation of what the little bump on the bottom of the lower nut was clear.  I have set up two sets of brand new nuts and I had to grind this little projection so the nuts would not drag on the lead screw when they were open.  I have actually had to do this on a couple of other lathe when I was mixing and matching my best parts on an apron assembly.  Seams there was a lot of difference in apron and nut castings.
 
One other thing I ran into and Jim B needs to know this.  The special studs that hold the half nuts on a 405 and on the prototype 415 I have are longer than all the later lathes I have worked with.  These original studs or special bolts are about 1/4 inch longer than standard workshop models.  Just something for you guys to put back in the memoir bank for future reference.  The apron casting is just a little thicker in the half nut area on a 405 lathe.
 
Turk

----- Original Message -----
From: tuffree
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: [southbendlathe] Re: Model C Half Nuts

--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Turk"
...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Rick
>
> OK all workshop lathes from 1936 to the end will interchange. The
405 will not as they are left hand threads were as yours are right
hand.
>
> I have found that there may be a little fitting required as there
is
a little lump on the bottom nut that is a stop when the nuts are
open.
Some times I have had to grind this a little so the half nuts when
open
do not drag on the lead screw. Think this is normal fitting
requirements as I have always had to do this when the nuts were brand
new.
>
> Turk
********************************************************************
Thanks Dennis.
I didn't know the 405 had a LH screw.
BTW, you may remember me, I met you in Santa Ana, Ca. (2005?) when
you picked up the Wade 8A. Have you restored it yet?
Thanks again for the quart of South Bend paint you brought with you.

Rick


Re: Model C Half Nuts

tuffree <tuffree@...>
 

--- In southbendlathe@..., "Dennis Turk"
<dennis.turk2@...>
wrote:

Hi Rick

OK all workshop lathes from 1936 to the end will interchange. The
405 will not as they are left hand threads were as yours are right
hand.

I have found that there may be a little fitting required as there
is
a little lump on the bottom nut that is a stop when the nuts are
open.
Some times I have had to grind this a little so the half nuts when
open
do not drag on the lead screw. Think this is normal fitting
requirements as I have always had to do this when the nuts were brand
new.

Turk
********************************************************************
Thanks Dennis.
I didn't know the 405 had a LH screw.
BTW, you may remember me, I met you in Santa Ana, Ca. (2005?) when
you picked up the Wade 8A. Have you restored it yet?
Thanks again for the quart of South Bend paint you brought with you.

Rick


stiff operation from NOS 3 jaw chuck....

Cliff Ward
 

AT N.A.M.E.S. this week I picked up a South Bend New-Old-Stock 3-Jaw
chuck....universal self centering type. Removed the jaws and cleaned
off the protective Cosmolene like material from all external surfaces
but find the chuck is still extremely stiff to operate. Is it possible
I need to remove the back and completely disassemble the chuck to clean
out something inside, or are these factory chuck very stiff when new?

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