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Re: plates

bripaul67
 

Hi Dave,
Wow my first posting in this group and within hours I got good help.
Thank you for the lead, I did contact the guy and he has the plates I
need. He was very prompt in his reply and sounds like a good person for
other parts. brian


--- In southbendlathe@..., "David J. Young" <daveyoung@...>
wrote:

There's a guy (Randy?) that used to sell very nice reproduction data
plates. He still sells under the sellers name of DT38K on Ebay, but I
don't see any plates for sell. Go to http://tinyurl.com/2lnmme and
you'll see the stuff he's selling. You could then ask him whether he
has any in stock.

Dave Young


--- In southbendlathe@..., "bripaul67" brian.paulino@
wrote:

I'm rebuilding my 13" SB lathe and I'm wondering if anyone would
know
where I can find NOS data plates that are installed throughout the
lathe. Or a business that can reproduce such items. Thank you.


Re: SB 9 inch workshop lathe owners looking for a taper

hoffmeyer <hmshop@hotmail.com>
 

Looking for a follower rest for a Heavy 10.
Eric
Burke, VA
--- In southbendlathe@..., "dt38k1954" <peep38k@...>
wrote:

Hey Dennis
Thanks for the referral the other day, the guy bought all the
plates
that fit his heavy 10 machine.
I just had two more guys contact me on plates for the 13".
Thanks to that person too for the referral.
It's been about a year now since I had sold anything south bend.
He had a question about his gearbox, I sent him to you.
No doubt, you know a heck of a lot about these rascals, I wish I
knew
half.
That knowledge would help me get rid of this stuff easier.
I really need to get back into this these with 20 still sitting
here
complete and in pieces.
I moved over into the industrial line and need to clean the shop
out.
It's a shame we are so far apart, my guess is you would probably
rid
me of one or two of the old ones that we talked about around 4
years
ago.
Thanks again and never close your mouth or bite your tongue, Randy.
--- In southbendlathe@..., "CAL" <cal@> wrote:

YUP! Benevolent Saint Dennis. Or is it, Benevolent Saint Turk?

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Turk
To: southbendlathe@...
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:30 PM
Subject: [southbendlathe] Re: SB 9 inch workshop lathe owners
looking for a taper


Chris!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Turk

--- In southbendlathe@..., Chris Strazzeri
<cjstrazz@>
wrote:
>
> Denny, do you remember what Ralph Kramden used to say when
his
mouth got him in trouble? Honestly though, you lost out on a
deal
for
the sake of others here. Here to for we will always refer to
you
as
Saint Dennis.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@> wrote:
> I had an email form this seller this morning and he is
contemplating
> pulling the auctions reassembling the machine and selling it
> complete. I really hate this as I am not sure what someone
would
get
> after he puts the lathe back together. Ya know I should have
just
> keep my mouth shut and tried to win the shifter I need from
this
> lathe but it looks like I may not get it now. Darn darn darn.
>
> His comment was by putting up the catalog number he has
scared
all
> the buys away. This confirmed that he is only interested in
what he
> can get from the parts even if they cant be used by workshop
lathe
> owner that purchases them.
>
> One of these lathe sold last month down in TX for far less
than
a
> comparable workshop lathe would have brought. To bad as these
are a
> much better lathe than the early 415 lathes. This is one of
the
> earlies SB's I have seen with the hardened ground and micro
polished
> spindle. Very well made. Still a top oilier but do have
bronze
> bearings.
>
> Turk
>
> --- In southbendlathe@..., "Dennis Turk"
> <dennis.turk2@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > There is guy that is selling parts to a 9 inch 1934 tool
maker
> lathe
> > on eBay. I have gotten him to put up the catalog number but
he
> will
> > not tell what lathe these parts came from. He has a taper
> attachment
> > up for bit item number 170078085013 I have this lathe and
also
all
> > the examples of the workshop lathe. He is claiming it will
fit a
> > workshop but my tool makers lathe the cross slide dovetails
on
the
> > saddle are 1/16 inch wider than a workshop lathe. Also this
cross
> > slide has a fixed nut like a heavy then or the old wide bed
9
> > inch and is not adjustable for height like a workshop lathe.
> >
> > Now I know with some work this can be made to fit a
workshop
but
> this
> > guy is not going to tell you that. I have tried to let him
know
> what
> > he has and even sent him a scan from a 34 catalog but he is
still
> > resistant to saying what he has for sale.
> >
> > I get the impression that he obviously is trying to get all
the
> money
> > he can out of this lathe. I have cautioned him on what will
fit a
> > workshop and what will not. Most will not. There are more
parts
to
> > this lathe that fit a 8 Jr. than a workshop 405 415 or an A
B
or
C
> > model.
> >
> > If you bid on any of these part just be aware that these
are
not
> > workshop lathe parts. The catalog number is a 20 YBW That
is
a
> > bench mount 36 inch tool makers lathe with ceiling mounted
double
> > friction counter shaft. This is the same lathe as a catalog
number
> > 320 420 520 20 YW and a 3220. This lathe was only for sale
in
1934.
> >
> > Now I am bidding on one part as it will replace the broken
shifter
> > casting on my 8 inch Jr. that I just got. The change gears
are
> also
> > like an 8 Jr. and in the case of the 92 tooth gear it will
have
an
> 8-
> > 42 J just like my 8 inch. My 420 tool maker has the same
number
on
> > its 92 tooth gear.
> >
> > I have puzzled about all this and finally decided I should
post
> this
> > to the group though I know it will piss the guy off. I
would
> rather
> > have one guy mad at me than a bunch mad at him because they
got
> parts
> > they cant use. When he puts the head stock up for bid you
will
all
> > recognize this as not a workshop lathe. Now if he parts the
head
> > stock out be really careful as there are no part to this
head
stock
> > that will fit a workshop lathe. not even the back gears.
The
> spindle
> > is different and so is the cone pulley. The back gear
guards
are
> > unique to this lathe and this lathe only. Like I say the
only
> thing
> > I can find that will interchange is the forward reveres
shifter
> then
> > only with an 8 Jr.
> >
> > Troubled Turk.
> >
>


collet question

w keith griffith
 

I ended up with a set of round collets, about 30 of them, up thru 1/2 inch, with spindle sleeve and nose (protector nut?) ring. They were in a bunch of older South Bend and Logan stuff. I ended up with a nice steady rest for my Logan, would like to market these to make my 9" SB 'C' turn into a model A.

They're marked #2 R S

good shape, very few nicks. Used and stained, but not rattling around a drawer, in a rack made from plywood

Any idea what they're from and what I could expect for them?


Re: SB 9 inch workshop lathe owners looking for a taper

dt38k1954
 

Hey Dennis
Thanks for the referral the other day, the guy bought all the plates
that fit his heavy 10 machine.
I just had two more guys contact me on plates for the 13".
Thanks to that person too for the referral.
It's been about a year now since I had sold anything south bend.
He had a question about his gearbox, I sent him to you.
No doubt, you know a heck of a lot about these rascals, I wish I knew
half.
That knowledge would help me get rid of this stuff easier.
I really need to get back into this these with 20 still sitting here
complete and in pieces.
I moved over into the industrial line and need to clean the shop out.
It's a shame we are so far apart, my guess is you would probably rid
me of one or two of the old ones that we talked about around 4 years
ago.
Thanks again and never close your mouth or bite your tongue, Randy.
--- In southbendlathe@..., "CAL" <cal@...> wrote:

YUP! Benevolent Saint Dennis. Or is it, Benevolent Saint Turk?

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Turk
To: southbendlathe@...
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:30 PM
Subject: [southbendlathe] Re: SB 9 inch workshop lathe owners
looking for a taper


Chris!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Turk

--- In southbendlathe@..., Chris Strazzeri
<cjstrazz@>
wrote:
>
> Denny, do you remember what Ralph Kramden used to say when his
mouth got him in trouble? Honestly though, you lost out on a deal
for
the sake of others here. Here to for we will always refer to you
as
Saint Dennis.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@> wrote:
> I had an email form this seller this morning and he is
contemplating
> pulling the auctions reassembling the machine and selling it
> complete. I really hate this as I am not sure what someone
would
get
> after he puts the lathe back together. Ya know I should have
just
> keep my mouth shut and tried to win the shifter I need from
this
> lathe but it looks like I may not get it now. Darn darn darn.
>
> His comment was by putting up the catalog number he has scared
all
> the buys away. This confirmed that he is only interested in
what he
> can get from the parts even if they cant be used by workshop
lathe
> owner that purchases them.
>
> One of these lathe sold last month down in TX for far less than
a
> comparable workshop lathe would have brought. To bad as these
are a
> much better lathe than the early 415 lathes. This is one of the
> earlies SB's I have seen with the hardened ground and micro
polished
> spindle. Very well made. Still a top oilier but do have bronze
> bearings.
>
> Turk
>
> --- In southbendlathe@..., "Dennis Turk"
> <dennis.turk2@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > There is guy that is selling parts to a 9 inch 1934 tool
maker
> lathe
> > on eBay. I have gotten him to put up the catalog number but
he
> will
> > not tell what lathe these parts came from. He has a taper
> attachment
> > up for bit item number 170078085013 I have this lathe and
also
all
> > the examples of the workshop lathe. He is claiming it will
fit a
> > workshop but my tool makers lathe the cross slide dovetails
on
the
> > saddle are 1/16 inch wider than a workshop lathe. Also this
cross
> > slide has a fixed nut like a heavy then or the old wide bed 9
> > inch and is not adjustable for height like a workshop lathe.
> >
> > Now I know with some work this can be made to fit a workshop
but
> this
> > guy is not going to tell you that. I have tried to let him
know
> what
> > he has and even sent him a scan from a 34 catalog but he is
still
> > resistant to saying what he has for sale.
> >
> > I get the impression that he obviously is trying to get all
the
> money
> > he can out of this lathe. I have cautioned him on what will
fit a
> > workshop and what will not. Most will not. There are more
parts
to
> > this lathe that fit a 8 Jr. than a workshop 405 415 or an A B
or
C
> > model.
> >
> > If you bid on any of these part just be aware that these are
not
> > workshop lathe parts. The catalog number is a 20 YBW That is
a
> > bench mount 36 inch tool makers lathe with ceiling mounted
double
> > friction counter shaft. This is the same lathe as a catalog
number
> > 320 420 520 20 YW and a 3220. This lathe was only for sale in
1934.
> >
> > Now I am bidding on one part as it will replace the broken
shifter
> > casting on my 8 inch Jr. that I just got. The change gears
are
> also
> > like an 8 Jr. and in the case of the 92 tooth gear it will
have
an
> 8-
> > 42 J just like my 8 inch. My 420 tool maker has the same
number
on
> > its 92 tooth gear.
> >
> > I have puzzled about all this and finally decided I should
post
> this
> > to the group though I know it will piss the guy off. I would
> rather
> > have one guy mad at me than a bunch mad at him because they
got
> parts
> > they cant use. When he puts the head stock up for bid you
will
all
> > recognize this as not a workshop lathe. Now if he parts the
head
> > stock out be really careful as there are no part to this head
stock
> > that will fit a workshop lathe. not even the back gears. The
> spindle
> > is different and so is the cone pulley. The back gear guards
are
> > unique to this lathe and this lathe only. Like I say the only
> thing
> > I can find that will interchange is the forward reveres
shifter
> then
> > only with an 8 Jr.
> >
> > Troubled Turk.
> >
>


Books for rookies

a4x6band
 

Clive wrote:
Lathe Work, A Complete Course, by Harold Hall may be worth a look.
Its a book form collection of articles from the English magazine
Model Engineers Workshop. I skimmed the articles when they first
appeared and, as I recall, thought them to be a fairly reasonable way
of going about things. A plus point is that all (most?) projects are
based on stock metal sizes and can easily be scaled up or down to
suit.
I bought this book because I'm a rookie and I have no local source of
help or guidance. I found it to be excellent and I recommend it
highly along with Milling, A Complete Course by the same author.

Fergus


Re: Micro steel source

Steve Wells
 

Neil,
I sent you a discount code by email.
orders over $100.00 get an additional 10% off.
Anyone can use the friends code, which for my last order
was: 44J6X6

Steve


Re: Micro steel source

Neil Butterfield <neilbfield@...>
 

Thanks for info Steve. I may go that way.

Neil

 


From: southbendlathe@... [mailto:southbendlathe@...] On Behalf Of Steve Wells
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:41 PM
To: southbendlathe@...
Subject: [southbendlathe] Re: Micro steel source

 

I just ordered a 24" piece of .875 12L14 and 24" of .750 1177
from online metals for 29 bucks, including $12 shipping. They have a
friends discount program and repeat order 5% discount.

Steve Wells


Re: project recommendation

ChristopherS
 

Bob,
 
In the list of groups that David provided below, you will find the 10K group. Most of the members here are members there also. Check out Bob Wright's projects. He likes to make very useful accessories for his lathe.
 
Chris


"David J. Young" wrote:

Bob,

Here's a reply I made to a question posted in a metalworking newsgroup
(rec.crafts.metalworking) that is appropriate to your question'

Below is a list of resources on the internet. The South Bend lathe
Yahoo Group is an excellent resource for new owners (check out the FAQ
in the files, it answers a LOT of questions, including types and
sources for oils). The other sites have some projects. Google "Home
Machinist Projects" and the like to find more sites. Check out their
links for other sites as well.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southbendlathe
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/southbendlathe9
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southbendlathe9a
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southbend10k

http://www.homemetalshopclub.org/projects/project.html
http://www.metalworking.com/index.html
https://secure.villagepress.com/HSM-SUB/subscribe.jsp (Home Shop
Machinist and Machinist Workshop magazine subscription)
http://www.neme-s.org/Model_Engineer_Files/
http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Machining/index.html

If you look in the files, photo's, and links sections of the Yahoo
newsgroups you'll find projects, or links to sites (or just ideas) for
projects. Searching other Yahoo groups you'll find other machinist
sites that offer plans and projects. I personally find these and put
them on a Word document and store them on my harddrive. The above
list is a VERY short list of resources.

Dave Young

--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "bgenaze" > wrote:
>
> I am looking for a project to do on my 9"S.B. lathe. I am a rookie at
> this point, only having obtained the lathe a short time ago. I have
> looked around and seem to find kits for mini lathes. Any
> recommendations would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Bob G.
>



Re: plates

David J. Young
 

There's a guy (Randy?) that used to sell very nice reproduction data
plates. He still sells under the sellers name of DT38K on Ebay, but I
don't see any plates for sell. Go to http://tinyurl.com/2lnmme and
you'll see the stuff he's selling. You could then ask him whether he
has any in stock.

Dave Young


--- In southbendlathe@..., "bripaul67" <brian.paulino@...>
wrote:

I'm rebuilding my 13" SB lathe and I'm wondering if anyone would know
where I can find NOS data plates that are installed throughout the
lathe. Or a business that can reproduce such items. Thank you.


Re: Micro steel source

Steve Wells
 

I just ordered a 24" piece of .875 12L14 and 24" of .750 1177
from online metals for 29 bucks, including $12 shipping. They have a
friends discount program and repeat order 5% discount.

Steve Wells


Re: Micro steel source

nativeMT <nativemt@...>
 

Try online metals. www.onlinemetals.com


--- In southbendlathe@..., "Keith Richtman" <richtman@...>
wrote:

McMaster-Carr has 12L14 and a couple types of tool steel.

Keith

On 2/6/07, Neil Butterfield <neilbfield@...> wrote:

Does anyone have a source for 5/32" (0.1563") dia. CRS or other mild
machinable steel? I'm trying to use an adjustable thread die to cut #8
x 32 threads. I can readily find K & S Engineering steel wire, which
is music wire material and quite hard making machining difficult. An
option may be to anneal the K & S steel wire or purchase 303 stainless
which is also readily available and the most machinable of the
stainless materials. I don't have a lot to make but I spent an
afternoon getting two ¾" lg threads in the K & S material and probably
ruined the thread die.

Thanks, Neil




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Chicago area South Bend lathe owners

bob
 

I am curious if there would be any interest in an informal get
together SB owners so us newer owner members of South Bend lathes
could talk with more experienced owners and machinists about solving
problems and ideas on how to perform tricky operations specific to SB's?


Re: project recommendation

Dave & Donna Johnson <ironhoss@...>
 

One of the first projects from my Adult Ed class some 25 years ago was a Hole gauge, and a pair of center finders.  I still use the center finders on occasion.  They would probably be the easiest to make for a first timer. 
 
 
Dave J.
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe R
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [southbendlathe] project recommendation

Bob.
 
Find a project that will complement your lathe. Look in the files and photo sections of the various SB groups. Currently I'm thinking about putting a denting forward/reverse lever on my 9A.
 
Joe Romas
 
----- Original Message -----
From: bgenaze
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:18 PM
Subject: [southbendlathe] project recommendation

I am looking for a project to do on my 9"S.B. lathe. I am a rookie at
this point, only having obtained the lathe a short time ago. I have
looked around and seem to find kits for mini lathes. Any
recommendations would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Bob G.


Re: project recommendation

w keith griffith
 

If tooling kits are what you're looking for, skipping the mini-lathe offerings may be in order. However, if small engines and the like are what you're talking about, it really doesn't matter. A little wobbler steam engine kit will build just as well on a SB 9 as on a 7x12 mini.

I am looking for a project to do on my 9"S.B. lathe. I am a rookie at
this point, only having obtained the lathe a short time ago. I have
looked around and seem to find kits for mini lathes. Any
recommendations would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Bob G.


plates

bripaul67 <brian.paulino@...>
 

I'm rebuilding my 13" SB lathe and I'm wondering if anyone would know
where I can find NOS data plates that are installed throughout the
lathe. Or a business that can reproduce such items. Thank you.


Re: project recommendation

John Dammeyer
 

Hi Bob,

I don't know if you have access to a foundry but my favourite series is
still the one written by Dave Gingery. It's all about building a metal shop
from scrap. What the Building a Lathe book (and the subsequent ones do) is
show you how to use the lathe to build the lathe, shaper, mill and a host of
useful tools. Even if you don't build them, the techniques are invaluable.

John Dammeyer



--- In southbendlathe@..., "bgenaze" <bgenaze@...> wrote:

I am looking for a project to do on my 9"S.B. lathe. I am a
rookie at
this point, only having obtained the lathe a short time ago. I have
looked around and seem to find kits for mini lathes. Any
recommendations would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Bob G.



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Re: project recommendation

David J. Young
 

Bob,

Here's a reply I made to a question posted in a metalworking newsgroup
(rec.crafts.metalworking) that is appropriate to your question'

Below is a list of resources on the internet. The South Bend lathe
Yahoo Group is an excellent resource for new owners (check out the FAQ
in the files, it answers a LOT of questions, including types and
sources for oils). The other sites have some projects. Google "Home
Machinist Projects" and the like to find more sites. Check out their
links for other sites as well.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southbendlathe
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/southbendlathe9
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southbendlathe9a
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southbend10k

http://www.homemetalshopclub.org/projects/project.html
http://www.metalworking.com/index.html
https://secure.villagepress.com/HSM-SUB/subscribe.jsp (Home Shop
Machinist and Machinist Workshop magazine subscription)
http://www.neme-s.org/Model_Engineer_Files/
http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Machining/index.html

If you look in the files, photo's, and links sections of the Yahoo
newsgroups you'll find projects, or links to sites (or just ideas) for
projects. Searching other Yahoo groups you'll find other machinist
sites that offer plans and projects. I personally find these and put
them on a Word document and store them on my harddrive. The above
list is a VERY short list of resources.

Dave Young

--- In southbendlathe@..., "bgenaze" <bgenaze@...> wrote:

I am looking for a project to do on my 9"S.B. lathe. I am a rookie at
this point, only having obtained the lathe a short time ago. I have
looked around and seem to find kits for mini lathes. Any
recommendations would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Bob G.


Re: project recommendation

Rob Potter <rob.potter@...>
 

Bob,

Try the Workshop Practice Series (yes, I know its British, but ...)

#14 Making Small Workshop Tools, by Stan Bray, ISBN 0 85242 886 3
#34 Lathework, A Complete Course, by Harold Hall, ISBN 1 85486 230 8

Both have lots of small projects, and you end up with more things for
the workshop, and some are even useful ;-) There are other books in
the series too.

Amazon has both, about $20 each.
Some model engineering suppliers carry them. Check yours.
Abebooks lists some discounters (including US based ones) selling
"new" copies at less than half that.
Your local library may have copies.

Rob

--- In southbendlathe@..., "bgenaze" <bgenaze@...> wrote:

I am looking for a project to do on my 9"S.B. lathe. I am a rookie at
this point, only having obtained the lathe a short time ago. I have
looked around and seem to find kits for mini lathes. Any
recommendations would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Bob G.


Conversion plate for 10k shifter to 9A

Joe R
 

I'll hopefully be getting a plunger type forward/reverse lever for my 9A and have looked in all the SB groups and have not been able to find the file. I've found references to it but it seems to be gone. Can anyone point me to the right spot or send me the file?
 
Thanks
Joe Romas


Re: project recommendation

D. Schuyler <web22hsz@...>
 

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:41 PM
Subject: [southbendlathe] Re: project recommendation

Bob,

I was in your shoes not that many years ago,

While how to run a lathe by South Bend is great and I used it all the time, I found a couple of old school textbooks to help me much more, and on the plus side they can be found on ebay very cheap

General -Industrial Machine Shop by Harold Johnson

anotherMachine tool practices By Kibble,Neely,Meyer,White.

These are High School Jr college courses and are written so the novice can read them

Now later on you will want to pick up A Machinery Handbook

but it is pretty heavy reading to a beginner I find I look threads and speeds up in it but as far as just reading to learn... to heavy for me!

Also you will not need a new one same stuff in them for years back! Save some more money and get a used one  you are going to get it dirty anyhow!

Dee  

>
> I am looking for a project to do on my 9"S.B. lathe. I am a rookie at
> this point, only having obtained the lathe a short time ago. I have
> looked around and seem to find kits for mini lathes. Any
> recommendations would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Bob G.
>

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