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Re: Need Help - - Cutting Threads

john_wagner61
 

I found by accident that engaging the clutch along with the halfnut
really changes the threads. If this is a contest to guess the
operator error, that's my entry.....

John
--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Godwin" <eng4turns@...>
wrote:

Well, are you gonna fess up? In this or another group, we
competed
for who had done the dumbest thing. Want to put in an entry?

Seriously, if you'd like to share it may be an educational
experience
for others as well.

Regardless, I'm glad you figured it out.

Ed in Florida

--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "bode528" <markz@> wrote:

Well I figured it out! I can't belive that I suffered with it
for 13
years, and all along it was operator error............


Re: OT McMaster

eng4turns
 

I've had nothing but great experiences with MC, but also with ENCO
and WT. But MC has the best shipping. In all my orders they've
only made one teeny mistake.

But, on pricing, it's worth comparing. I was looking at rounding
out my collection of taper pin reamers and compared WT against MC
and there's a huge difference of tens of dollars per reamer. Most
of this is, I'm sure, the difference between a high-grade reamer and
a low-grade but for home shop occasional use, I don't need the high-
grade. So, it's worth shopping.

Ed in Florida

--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, Mike Gehring <hohum112@...>
wrote:

What took them so long? Or did you order later in the day, say
after 1:00 PM? When I order before 1:00 PM , the order is delivered
next day by the UPS man. EXCEPT for the back order from Chicago. It
arrived the next day. And no gouging on shipping.This is a common
occurrence for them.
My bad habit is waiting to order EVERYTHING so I don't get
banged for gross shipping charges as with so many other companies,
when I know McMaster won't and my stuff will be there the next day.
If I know they sell it, they've got my order hands down over any
other. Enco Ships quick also, but overall pricing seems a tad
higher. Mike G.

----- Original Message ----
From: S. Byrd <mysnoopybird@...>
To: southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:33:47 PM
Subject: [southbendlathe] OT McMaster













Two days ago I ordered needle bearings for the left
end of my spindle

and a gallon of spindle oil. I think the total with shipping, tax,

etc. was around $20.00 or so. Today my stuff arrived! That is the

best service I've ever experienced from any company and this from
my

two-bit order that probably cost them more to proccess than they
made

from it. What a great company!



John














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Re: Need Help - - Cutting Threads

eng4turns
 

Well, are you gonna fess up? In this or another group, we competed
for who had done the dumbest thing. Want to put in an entry?

Seriously, if you'd like to share it may be an educational experience
for others as well.

Regardless, I'm glad you figured it out.

Ed in Florida

--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "bode528" <markz@...> wrote:

Well I figured it out! I can't belive that I suffered with it for 13
years, and all along it was operator error............


O'Brian Lathe

gorvil
 

A friend of mine has an O'Brian lathe for sale. I haven't seen it in
person, but I will post details after I have seen it. The nameplate
says O'Brian Lathe - Chicago. Does anybody know anything about this
company?

Glen Reeser


Wow Baby ! New Steady Rest for the 9"

Dave Mucha
 

Hi all,

I just received my 9" steady rest in the mail today.

Nice !

good looking finish. the parts work smoothly.

Nice paint job, even if it is not as dark as my old-old 9"

I can't wait to put it to the test. For some odd reason, the doorbell
had been ringing all night and kids keep shouting at me. I just give
them some candy and they go away. Gosh, same thing happened about
this time last year.......

Anyway, the NEW, steady is a treat, not a trick.

Dave

oh, yeah..... heres the link

http://tools4cheap.net/


Re: OT McMaster

Mike Gehring
 

What took them so long? Or did you order later in the day, say after 1:00 PM? When I order before 1:00 PM , the order is delivered next day by the UPS man. EXCEPT for the back order from Chicago. It arrived the next day.  And no gouging on shipping.This is a common occurrence for them.
     My bad habit is waiting to order EVERYTHING so I don't get banged for gross shipping charges as with so many other companies, when I know McMaster  won't and my stuff will be there the next day. If I know they sell it, they've got my order hands down over any other. Enco Ships quick also, but overall pricing seems a tad higher.     Mike G.


----- Original Message ----
From: S. Byrd
To: southbendlathe@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:33:47 PM
Subject: [southbendlathe] OT McMaster

Two days ago I ordered needle bearings for the left end of my spindle
and a gallon of spindle oil. I think the total with shipping, tax,
etc. was around $20.00 or so. Today my stuff arrived! That is the
best service I've ever experienced from any company and this from my
two-bit order that probably cost them more to proccess than they made
from it. What a great company!

John




OT McMaster

S. Byrd <mysnoopybird@...>
 

Two days ago I ordered needle bearings for the left end of my spindle
and a gallon of spindle oil. I think the total with shipping, tax,
etc. was around $20.00 or so. Today my stuff arrived! That is the
best service I've ever experienced from any company and this from my
two-bit order that probably cost them more to proccess than they made
from it. What a great company!

John


Re: wanted thread dial

Rich Dean <cmsteam@...>
 

Paul,
I've seen an artical somewhere in the files of one of the several south bend
yahoo groups. Otherwise they are seen on ebay daily.
RichD

bigmetalpaul wrote:

hi i have a 9" southbend lathe looking for one or how to make thread dial one also tail stock ram the diminison of it thank paul


wanted thread dial

bigmetalpaul <bigmetalpaul@...>
 

hi i have a 9" southbend lathe looking for one or how to make thread
dial one also tail stock ram the diminison of it thank paul


Re: Need Help - - Cutting Threads

bode528 <markz@...>
 

Well I figured it out! I can't belive that I suffered with it for 13
years, and all along it was operator error............


Re: Wanted Follow Rest

Jeff Beck
 

Either one would be fine.
thanks
Jeff
--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "BOB & CINDY WRIGHT"
<aametalmaster@...> wrote:

Plain or teloscoping? I don't have either but i am looking at
getting
a Logan one...Bob
--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Beck" <tools4cheap@>
wrote:

Im looking for a 9" follower rest. Please email and let me know
what
you want for it.
thanks
Jeff


Re: Wanted Follow Rest

BOB WRIGHT
 

Plain or teloscoping? I don't have either but i am looking at getting
a Logan one...Bob
--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Beck" <tools4cheap@...>
wrote:

Im looking for a 9" follower rest. Please email and let me know what
you want for it.
thanks
Jeff


Wanted Follow Rest

Jeff Beck
 

Im looking for a 9" follower rest. Please email and let me know what
you want for it.
thanks
Jeff


Re: year/model?

Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...>
 

Hi Matt and Tom

Ya know you're exactly correct on this Matt. I just looked at my
list of serial numbers again and I see it jumps from 1935 at serial
number 63838 to 1940 at 80362. Man it must have been late last
night. You are correct and Tom has sent me pictures of the lathe
and they confirm it's a catalog 415 model and Not a C because it is
a top oilier head stock. A B and C models all will be side oilier
machines with the hardened and micro polished spindle.

Turk

--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "mconsidine_1999" <matt@...>
wrote:

I *really* hesitate to say this, because I know Dennis has
forgotten
more than I'll ever know about this stuff. But my 9C numbered
98358
was shipped in June 1940 according to Rose at Parts. Wouldn't a
79xxx
model have been made more like in 1937 or 1938?
Humbly,
Matt

--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Turk"
<dennis.turk2@> wrote:

Hi Tom

I have your serial number built in 1940 so your lathe is a
workshop
lathe. could be an A B or C model. Need more info.

Turk

--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "goldsberry14365"
<tandjcivitillo@> wrote:

hello, I am trying to find the year and model of my lathe I
just
got. I
cannot access the spreadsheet in the files section without a
25
character product key. can anyone help? the serial number is
76948.
I
know it is a south bend 9" x 3 ft bed. It does not
say "workshop" on
it,what model is it? thanks tom


Re: Need Help - - Cutting Threads

BOB WRIGHT
 

I don't know if this is your prob but it could be something to check.
My buddies SB 9" had a few thousands slop in the leadscrew from L-R
and it would make funky threads that were a few thou off...Bob
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/southbend10k/
--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "bode528" <markz@...> wrote:

I could use some help. I have owned my 16" 6 foot lathe ser# 13085
HKX for around 15 years, and it never cut the correct threads per
inch. Per my parts book (not totally sure I have the coorect parts
book), I have the correct gears (24/48 tooth stud gear, 80 tooth
idler
and 64 tooth screw gear. If I have the tumblers set for 4 TPI with
the 48 tooth stud gear, it cuts around (but not exactly) 12 TPI.

Any idea if I am doing something wrong? What can be wrong to give me
this disparity?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!


Need Help - - Cutting Threads

bode528 <markz@...>
 

I could use some help. I have owned my 16" 6 foot lathe ser# 13085
HKX for around 15 years, and it never cut the correct threads per
inch. Per my parts book (not totally sure I have the coorect parts
book), I have the correct gears (24/48 tooth stud gear, 80 tooth idler
and 64 tooth screw gear. If I have the tumblers set for 4 TPI with
the 48 tooth stud gear, it cuts around (but not exactly) 12 TPI.

Any idea if I am doing something wrong? What can be wrong to give me
this disparity?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!


Re: year/model?

 

I *really* hesitate to say this, because I know Dennis has forgotten
more than I'll ever know about this stuff. But my 9C numbered 98358
was shipped in June 1940 according to Rose at Parts. Wouldn't a 79xxx
model have been made more like in 1937 or 1938?
Humbly,
Matt

--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Turk"
<dennis.turk2@...> wrote:

Hi Tom

I have your serial number built in 1940 so your lathe is a workshop
lathe. could be an A B or C model. Need more info.

Turk

--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "goldsberry14365"
<tandjcivitillo@> wrote:

hello, I am trying to find the year and model of my lathe I just
got. I
cannot access the spreadsheet in the files section without a 25
character product key. can anyone help? the serial number is 76948.
I
know it is a south bend 9" x 3 ft bed. It does not say "workshop" on
it,what model is it? thanks tom


Re: Newly purchased South Bend 9 x 36 inch lathe - bits missing - need advice

Clive Foster
 

Rob

Pretty much everything Boxford will fit a South-Bend but you
may have to do a bit more than change a single part, sometimes
it has to be an assembly. Change gears are fine as a complete
set but the bores may be different, cost do add up tho' from
trade suppliers.
Take a gander at ebay UK, I think there is a set up for grabs
right now, vendor doesn't know what they are for but thinks
Boxford/SB/Myford.
Even head-stocks, tail-stocks and gearboxes will swop as
complete units but doing a gearbox swop needs other
mods. Aprons, saddles, slides & feed-screws fit pretty much
as is, only serious gotcha is on the power feed cross-slide screw
where SB and Boxford gear drive is not compatible.
I put a Boxford saddle, cross slide & top-slide assembly on a
Model A SB and the only significant problem (over and above
the usual mixing and matching parts from different lathes hassle
which you always get even if nominally the same) was sorting
the power feed gear. I cut the Boxford screw twice and spliced
the original SB gear bit in.
I don't know if a Boxford back gear will fit but its worth a close look.
The first versions of the Boxford were exceedingly similar in that
area but later versions have changes which may or may not be
show stoppers.
If you can get suitable gears from catalogue supplier stock
e.g. Davell, HPC probable cost will be of the order of £100 the
pair, then you have to fit them to a shaft yourself.
There are make to order gear suppliers who aren't silly expensive
for standard stuff. A firm up Boston way did me a set of metric
conversion gears to fit a Heavy 10 about 4 years back. 7 gears
for £150 (cash) including the big 100 & 127 ones. They would
probably do a whole assembly if you asked nice.
While you are at it its well worth fitting along T slotted cross-slide.
Also fit a Boxford cross slide dial assembly if you do find one
complete mit screw at a sensible price. The bigger dial is much
easier to read and the unit has proper roller thrust bearings
which are a great improvement on the SB washers.

Keep an eye on your spending. Generally its not worth doing much
to a lathe unless you do a top line job or the thing was virtually
given away. Its dead easy to spend £400 to £500 and, in these
Ebay days its not that hard to find an OK but needs cleaning
& adjustment one for that much. However unless you have serious
bed wear theres not much difference in the cost of bringing a
seriously scruffy near clunker up to real good and doing the
same job to and OK but showing its age one. Most people find
that a SB or Boxford runs in around a £1,000 total before they
are happy!
Clive


Re: year/model?

Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...>
 

Hi Tom

I have your serial number built in 1940 so your lathe is a workshop
lathe. could be an A B or C model. Need more info.

Turk

--- In southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com, "goldsberry14365"
<tandjcivitillo@...> wrote:

hello, I am trying to find the year and model of my lathe I just
got. I
cannot access the spreadsheet in the files section without a 25
character product key. can anyone help? the serial number is 76948.
I
know it is a south bend 9" x 3 ft bed. It does not say "workshop" on
it,what model is it? thanks tom


Re: Newly purchased South Bend 9 x 36 inch lathe - bits missing - need advice

Jim B. <eeengineer@...>
 

Excuse me for butting in on you UK'ers
 
I have had good luck with G and M Tools.
The Mill
Ashington
West Sussex RH20 #BX
01903 892510
I have purchased gears there for A SB-9 I own. The prices were good, the parts were new and the shipping from the UK to the US of A was reasonable.
Just a bit of a heads up.
There was an early version, Model 405. Thus uses 20 Pitch gears
Later ones and I suspect you would have one of these use 18 Pitch gears.
The Boxford's use 18 Pitch gears.
The gear on the spindle end is a 20 Pitch gear. The back gears are not 20 Pitch.
Your best bet is to watch eBay for these parts. They do show up frequently.
There are three flavors of the 9" lathe  C, B, and A
The C uses change gears, I has power feed only along the main axis (no power cross feed).
The lead screw would not have a slot along the length.
The B" also uses change gears but has a power cross feed. The lead screw would have a slot in it.
The A has a gear box and power cross feed.
 
Cheers

Jim B.

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex.... It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction"

Albert Einstein.

 


From: southbendlathe@... [mailto:southbendlathe@...] On Behalf Of ALAN WHEATLEY
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 6:23 PM
To: southbendlathe@...
Subject: Re: [southbendlathe] Newly purchased South Bend 9 x 36 inch lathe - bits missing - need advice

Rob
 
From a South Bend "Heavy 10inch" owner in Abeystwyth.
 
It may take a few false starts to identify your lathe model, SB made many variants and developments of their basic lathe formats, but you can start the ball rolling by fixing the year of manufacture, and then maybe the model number. At the right hand end of the bed, by the Vee guide way, you will see a serial number stamped. This can be used to narrow down the date of shipping by using the spreadsheets on Southbendlathe group pages, at
 
 
and at
 
 
If you can't get these URLs to work, then go to the South Bend group's home page at
 
 
and then click Links, and then the file names South Bend chronology.xls  and sb_serial_numbers.xls
 
 
If your your serial number has letters as well as plain numbers in it, use these to figure out a "translation" of the model data at
 
 
and at
 

 

 

For spares and accessories in Britain, try Tony Griffiths wonderful site

 

http://www.lathes.co.uk/

 

If you want second hand spares the options are limited -- for many years in Britain, South Bends were kept more expensive than British built lathes by protective taxes, and so imports were limited. But try the sales and wants page on Tony's site at

 

http://www.lathes.co.uk/page3.html


and you must read Tony's South Bend information pages at
 
 
 
If you want new spares in Britain, the options are even more limited !  Shipping spares from USA is expensive (not as expensive as US postal services), but RDG Tools in Hebden Bridge has supplies of many Boxford spares, and some of these may fit your lathe. Their site is at
 
 

Good hunting to you
 
 
Alan
 

----- Original Message ----
From: rnkjma co.uk>
To: southbendlathe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 30 October, 2006 2:49:40 PM
Subject: [southbendlathe] Newly purchased South Bend 9 x 36 inch lathe - bits missing - need advice

Hello,

I have just bought my own lathe. It's my first ever, and I believe it
to be a 9 x 36 inch South Bend. It is largely complete, but missing a
few important bits. Before I can start renovating it, I need to
identify it. I live in the Midlands in the UK, so if I need to buy
anything, I would probably look locally before importing. Any help on
the following would be most appreciated: -

1) Can I post photos on the forum to make identification easier?

2) The entire back-gear assembly is missing. The two gears are fitted
to the spindle (bull wheels and the spindle end 34 tooth gear. The
gear on the very end of the spindle for engaging with the
tumble-reverse is a 24 tooth gear. How many teeth are on the two gears
on the back-gear? What parts are necessary to install a
fully-functioning back-gear assembly? How many parts make up the
assembly? I am assuming at least a shaft, two gears, an operating
lever and a few retaining screws. Are there any other
bits/spacers/ washers/etc? Are these parts available at a reasonable
price second-hand, or do I have to buy newly-manufactured parts at a
painfull price?

3) Does anyone know what type and specification of paint was used to
produce these originally, and where can it be sourced in Britain? How
was the metalwork prepared and primed/undercoated before final
painting? I would like it to look as 'original' as possible once re-built.

4) I need a decent range of change wheels for it. I have found a
collection of change wheels at a local engineering shop that look like
lathe change wheels (...very similar to the ones on my South Bend, but
they are unmarked). I would like to know what tooth pattern is cut
onto the change wheels for a South Bend (which I am told has the same
gear part numbers as a Boxford, as Boxford cloned the South Bend). Can
I use these 'other' gears if they appear to mesh properly with my own?
What is the DP size of standard 9 inch SB change gears? Is the profile
standard? I have heard a mention that some change gears have
non-standard pressure andgles and DP formats, so that they may LOOK
like they mesh OK, but are actually causing abnormal wear. I read this
on a posting on a web-site somewhere, but I can't find it, as I didn't
bookmark it. Any ideas please?

I have not stripped and inspected the lathe yet, but I plan to find a
serial/model number on it somewhere (where?), and figure out exactly
what it is. The gear-cover is missing, so the i.d. plate on the end is
missing.

Any advice or pointers would be most appreciated.

Cheers,

Rob


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