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Re: hand file

Nick Andrews
 

Maybe, just maybe, you could become a volunteer teaching assistant.  And subsequently have more or less free reign to use the shop...

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 11:55 AM Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I skipped the Gingery lathe since I'm seriously bad at follow-through, and went for a 7x10 mini-lathe. Upgraded that to an Atlas TH42, and I have a restoration project South Bend Heavy 10L sitting here waiting for me to get my shop the rest of the way together. I built the tank to electrolytically remove the rust from the bed this past Fall, but I can't get it in to the lathe to give it a good dunking. I was having trouble with the 7x10 so took a class, finally, at my wife's command. That has eaten a lot of my shop time, too, but taught me much, including how to accurately measure stuff. Critical skill on any lathe. Can't reasonably blame the 7x10 when you cannot measure a part and get an accurate result. Class is almost over. Last night I made a 1-3/4"-4tpi ACME stub thread. I need to chamfer the part, and face the other end to the proper length, and then my final project will be a nut to fit that thread. Assuming it measures correctly, of course. Otherwise I need to remount the part, pick up the thread again, and fix it, or re-do it. I thought I had until the week before Memorial Day, but class ends May 10th. If I can get this stuff done in time, I can get the certificate for the class. Which could get me a job if I decided I need one. So I want it, but...

All my machines are desktop or benchtop except a couple of drill presses. The biggest mill is also a lathe and drill press. Smithy CB-1220XL, also have a HF mini-mill, and an Atlas MF horizontal mill, none of which are currently operational. I expected to be able to use class machines, but at the end of this semester, the school won't be enrolling adult students anymore, only high-schoolers. I has a sad! :(

Just means I need to finish the shop, then finish the restorations on all the machines.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better


On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 11:37:57 AM CDT, Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...> wrote:


Maybe, we're in a lot of the same groups, too!  I still need to make a forge burner for the casting setup, and crucible tongs.  SO glad I have a bigger, better lathe and mill now.  It would've taken me a couple decades to actually build the Gingery lathe, and the ones I've seen being used on Youtube look pretty flimsy in comparison.  I am thinking I will be buying a horizontal attachment for my BP mill now.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 11:30 AM Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hmmm. Are we twins separated at birth or something? I have an anvil I've been dragging around since 1985, a set of DIY tongs from Amazon, purchased a year or so ago. Need holes drilled, and either riveted or bolted together. I've had the timbers cut for my 4th attempt at an anvil stand...

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better


On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 11:26:40 AM CDT, Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...> wrote:


Aaaaaaand an old, crapped-out file can be round smooth and turned into a scraper tool as well, or made into something else by them blacksmithing types.  No, I really don't need another hobby.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:07 PM wmrmeyers@... <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:
Good info, too! And an advantage to getting good files. Though if you buy cheap files you can grind safe edges on them for special purposes, or just because you want to. So another advantage to cheap files. Where it would hurt to do that to a good Nicholson file for a one-time use, it can be a really good idea for a file you didn't spend much money on that will help you do a special job you don't need to do frequently.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) 

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)



On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 08:43:36 PM CDT, Jim_B <jim@...> wrote:


IMHO
As important as the maker is the type of file. Single cut, double cut, bastard, Swiss pattern, are a few.
For many years now, I have been using Swiss pattern with clean edges. I find that the finish I can get is superior to others and the clean edges let me get next to expensive collets without marking them up.


Jim B,

> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:35 PM, Nelson Collar via groups.io <nel2lar=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nicholson might not be the best around but for my money it is Nicholson!!!
> Cheep files are not worth there weight, steer away from the cheep ones.
> Or buy from stores with a good return policy, buy it, test drive it, and return if the drive is not what you want.
> Tools are too expensive to waste your money on junk!
> Good luck and may the rest drive save you the BUCKS!
> Nelson
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 04:00:09 PM EDT, Mel Gross <melgross@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, Nicholson isn’t what it used to be. Really, most files are pretty good these days. You skill in using them is just as important as the files themselves.
>
> Mel
>
>
>
>> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Ruth Busch via groups.io <jbusch=centurylink.net@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> What is a good brand of hand files?  I want to steer clear of foreign stuff.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Jim B






Re: hand file

Bill in OKC too
 

I skipped the Gingery lathe since I'm seriously bad at follow-through, and went for a 7x10 mini-lathe. Upgraded that to an Atlas TH42, and I have a restoration project South Bend Heavy 10L sitting here waiting for me to get my shop the rest of the way together. I built the tank to electrolytically remove the rust from the bed this past Fall, but I can't get it in to the lathe to give it a good dunking. I was having trouble with the 7x10 so took a class, finally, at my wife's command. That has eaten a lot of my shop time, too, but taught me much, including how to accurately measure stuff. Critical skill on any lathe. Can't reasonably blame the 7x10 when you cannot measure a part and get an accurate result. Class is almost over. Last night I made a 1-3/4"-4tpi ACME stub thread. I need to chamfer the part, and face the other end to the proper length, and then my final project will be a nut to fit that thread. Assuming it measures correctly, of course. Otherwise I need to remount the part, pick up the thread again, and fix it, or re-do it. I thought I had until the week before Memorial Day, but class ends May 10th. If I can get this stuff done in time, I can get the certificate for the class. Which could get me a job if I decided I need one. So I want it, but...

All my machines are desktop or benchtop except a couple of drill presses. The biggest mill is also a lathe and drill press. Smithy CB-1220XL, also have a HF mini-mill, and an Atlas MF horizontal mill, none of which are currently operational. I expected to be able to use class machines, but at the end of this semester, the school won't be enrolling adult students anymore, only high-schoolers. I has a sad! :(

Just means I need to finish the shop, then finish the restorations on all the machines.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better


On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 11:37:57 AM CDT, Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...> wrote:


Maybe, we're in a lot of the same groups, too!  I still need to make a forge burner for the casting setup, and crucible tongs.  SO glad I have a bigger, better lathe and mill now.  It would've taken me a couple decades to actually build the Gingery lathe, and the ones I've seen being used on Youtube look pretty flimsy in comparison.  I am thinking I will be buying a horizontal attachment for my BP mill now.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 11:30 AM Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hmmm. Are we twins separated at birth or something? I have an anvil I've been dragging around since 1985, a set of DIY tongs from Amazon, purchased a year or so ago. Need holes drilled, and either riveted or bolted together. I've had the timbers cut for my 4th attempt at an anvil stand...

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better


On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 11:26:40 AM CDT, Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...> wrote:


Aaaaaaand an old, crapped-out file can be round smooth and turned into a scraper tool as well, or made into something else by them blacksmithing types.  No, I really don't need another hobby.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:07 PM wmrmeyers@... <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:
Good info, too! And an advantage to getting good files. Though if you buy cheap files you can grind safe edges on them for special purposes, or just because you want to. So another advantage to cheap files. Where it would hurt to do that to a good Nicholson file for a one-time use, it can be a really good idea for a file you didn't spend much money on that will help you do a special job you don't need to do frequently.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) 

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)



On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 08:43:36 PM CDT, Jim_B <jim@...> wrote:


IMHO
As important as the maker is the type of file. Single cut, double cut, bastard, Swiss pattern, are a few.
For many years now, I have been using Swiss pattern with clean edges. I find that the finish I can get is superior to others and the clean edges let me get next to expensive collets without marking them up.


Jim B,

> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:35 PM, Nelson Collar via groups.io <nel2lar=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nicholson might not be the best around but for my money it is Nicholson!!!
> Cheep files are not worth there weight, steer away from the cheep ones.
> Or buy from stores with a good return policy, buy it, test drive it, and return if the drive is not what you want.
> Tools are too expensive to waste your money on junk!
> Good luck and may the rest drive save you the BUCKS!
> Nelson
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 04:00:09 PM EDT, Mel Gross <melgross@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, Nicholson isn’t what it used to be. Really, most files are pretty good these days. You skill in using them is just as important as the files themselves.
>
> Mel
>
>
>
>> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Ruth Busch via groups.io <jbusch=centurylink.net@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> What is a good brand of hand files?  I want to steer clear of foreign stuff.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Jim B






Re: hand file

Nick Andrews
 

Maybe, we're in a lot of the same groups, too!  I still need to make a forge burner for the casting setup, and crucible tongs.  SO glad I have a bigger, better lathe and mill now.  It would've taken me a couple decades to actually build the Gingery lathe, and the ones I've seen being used on Youtube look pretty flimsy in comparison.  I am thinking I will be buying a horizontal attachment for my BP mill now.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 11:30 AM Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hmmm. Are we twins separated at birth or something? I have an anvil I've been dragging around since 1985, a set of DIY tongs from Amazon, purchased a year or so ago. Need holes drilled, and either riveted or bolted together. I've had the timbers cut for my 4th attempt at an anvil stand...

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better


On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 11:26:40 AM CDT, Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...> wrote:


Aaaaaaand an old, crapped-out file can be round smooth and turned into a scraper tool as well, or made into something else by them blacksmithing types.  No, I really don't need another hobby.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:07 PM wmrmeyers@... <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:
Good info, too! And an advantage to getting good files. Though if you buy cheap files you can grind safe edges on them for special purposes, or just because you want to. So another advantage to cheap files. Where it would hurt to do that to a good Nicholson file for a one-time use, it can be a really good idea for a file you didn't spend much money on that will help you do a special job you don't need to do frequently.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) 

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)



On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 08:43:36 PM CDT, Jim_B <jim@...> wrote:


IMHO
As important as the maker is the type of file. Single cut, double cut, bastard, Swiss pattern, are a few.
For many years now, I have been using Swiss pattern with clean edges. I find that the finish I can get is superior to others and the clean edges let me get next to expensive collets without marking them up.


Jim B,

> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:35 PM, Nelson Collar via groups.io <nel2lar=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nicholson might not be the best around but for my money it is Nicholson!!!
> Cheep files are not worth there weight, steer away from the cheep ones.
> Or buy from stores with a good return policy, buy it, test drive it, and return if the drive is not what you want.
> Tools are too expensive to waste your money on junk!
> Good luck and may the rest drive save you the BUCKS!
> Nelson
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 04:00:09 PM EDT, Mel Gross <melgross@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, Nicholson isn’t what it used to be. Really, most files are pretty good these days. You skill in using them is just as important as the files themselves.
>
> Mel
>
>
>
>> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Ruth Busch via groups.io <jbusch=centurylink.net@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> What is a good brand of hand files?  I want to steer clear of foreign stuff.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Jim B






Re: hand file

Nick Andrews
 

I got a few more aggressive files from Aircraft Spruce when I ordered some 4140 seamless steel tubing for a work project years back.  And since I wasn't going to be paying shipping then, I got myself some of that tubing and solid rod that could be used for receivers, breech blocks, barrel nuts, etc. 

Really wish I'd asked for more 2" square bar from a local guy I had make a bunch of bent 4130 CRS round bars for the CV-22 anchor points we installed in the tarmac at KAFB.  I mean, I was happy to get a 2' piece for free, but 6' would be better!  His 200 ton Cincinnati press could barely bend those 1.25" bars to make the center hoop we needed.  He welded up a mandrel and smashed the straight bar down over it.  Cost us about $10k for 480 of them.  And then, the anchor hooks the USAF guys had for the aircraft wouldn't clip over the bars, even after I asked them while holding one in my hand if they would work, twice, and they said yes, we checked.  So a couple weeks later I had a mod for around $60k to add forged pear rings on each bar to latch the tie-downs to...


On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 11:01 PM Sam <i.am.sam.sam.i.am2008@...> wrote:
Simonds, Groge, Pferd,
All foreign made, but good.
The high exchange shipping and so on make these expensive.


Nicholson has been value Engineered, not great, but maybe good enough for the money, easy to buy in stores.
The half round files used to have distal taper, not anymore.  You have to buy a more expensive crossing file to get that now.

Any of the India sourced files I have tried are soft garbage.

Boggs does sharpen, i'ts flat rate on the quantity for them, so fill a flat rate box to ship also.
Makes sense for USA, not other countries.

Find a good industrial supplier, keep in mind a home depot will only sell smooth files
you might be filing all day with that when you really want a coarse bastard.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 11:07 PM wmrmeyers@... <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:
Good info, too! And an advantage to getting good files. Though if you buy cheap files you can grind safe edges on them for special purposes, or just because you want to. So another advantage to cheap files. Where it would hurt to do that to a good Nicholson file for a one-time use, it can be a really good idea for a file you didn't spend much money on that will help you do a special job you don't need to do frequently.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) 

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)



On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 08:43:36 PM CDT, Jim_B <jim@...> wrote:


IMHO
As important as the maker is the type of file. Single cut, double cut, bastard, Swiss pattern, are a few.
For many years now, I have been using Swiss pattern with clean edges. I find that the finish I can get is superior to others and the clean edges let me get next to expensive collets without marking them up.


Jim B,

> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:35 PM, Nelson Collar via groups.io <nel2lar=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nicholson might not be the best around but for my money it is Nicholson!!!
> Cheep files are not worth there weight, steer away from the cheep ones.
> Or buy from stores with a good return policy, buy it, test drive it, and return if the drive is not what you want.
> Tools are too expensive to waste your money on junk!
> Good luck and may the rest drive save you the BUCKS!
> Nelson
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 04:00:09 PM EDT, Mel Gross <melgross@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, Nicholson isn’t what it used to be. Really, most files are pretty good these days. You skill in using them is just as important as the files themselves.
>
> Mel
>
>
>
>> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Ruth Busch via groups.io <jbusch=centurylink.net@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> What is a good brand of hand files?  I want to steer clear of foreign stuff.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Jim B






Re: hand file

Bill in OKC too
 

Hmmm. Are we twins separated at birth or something? I have an anvil I've been dragging around since 1985, a set of DIY tongs from Amazon, purchased a year or so ago. Need holes drilled, and either riveted or bolted together. I've had the timbers cut for my 4th attempt at an anvil stand...

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better


On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 11:26:40 AM CDT, Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...> wrote:


Aaaaaaand an old, crapped-out file can be round smooth and turned into a scraper tool as well, or made into something else by them blacksmithing types.  No, I really don't need another hobby.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:07 PM wmrmeyers@... <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:
Good info, too! And an advantage to getting good files. Though if you buy cheap files you can grind safe edges on them for special purposes, or just because you want to. So another advantage to cheap files. Where it would hurt to do that to a good Nicholson file for a one-time use, it can be a really good idea for a file you didn't spend much money on that will help you do a special job you don't need to do frequently.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) 

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)



On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 08:43:36 PM CDT, Jim_B <jim@...> wrote:


IMHO
As important as the maker is the type of file. Single cut, double cut, bastard, Swiss pattern, are a few.
For many years now, I have been using Swiss pattern with clean edges. I find that the finish I can get is superior to others and the clean edges let me get next to expensive collets without marking them up.


Jim B,

> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:35 PM, Nelson Collar via groups.io <nel2lar=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nicholson might not be the best around but for my money it is Nicholson!!!
> Cheep files are not worth there weight, steer away from the cheep ones.
> Or buy from stores with a good return policy, buy it, test drive it, and return if the drive is not what you want.
> Tools are too expensive to waste your money on junk!
> Good luck and may the rest drive save you the BUCKS!
> Nelson
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 04:00:09 PM EDT, Mel Gross <melgross@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, Nicholson isn’t what it used to be. Really, most files are pretty good these days. You skill in using them is just as important as the files themselves.
>
> Mel
>
>
>
>> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Ruth Busch via groups.io <jbusch=centurylink.net@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> What is a good brand of hand files?  I want to steer clear of foreign stuff.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Jim B






Re: hand file

Bill in OKC too
 

yeah, I resemble that remark! I have a drawer organizer thingie that is 2" wide, about the same again deep, and 11 or 12" long, and it is full of very oily files that need degreased, handled, and put on a stinking rack! Plus there are files all over the shop now from stuff getting moved around as I was sorting the dumpster finds. Not all of those had handles, either.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better


On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 11:20:38 AM CDT, Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...> wrote:


I seriously need to do handles for the rest of mine.  They are all stacked more or less in the same toolbox drawer...

I recently used a file card to remove much contamination from a bunch of my estate sale finds.  Really amazing how much better they cut after that!  The cheapo HF file card I had came apart (big surprise, I know) so Amazon brought me another one.  Still more cleaning to do.


On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 8:02 AM Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
And you can use copper pipe to make a ferrule to keep the wooden handle from splitting. Golf balls make a good file handles, too. You could even (gasp!) buy handles. My local toolohaulic enabler, Steve's Wholesale Tools sells injection molded file handles a variety of sizes for about $0.79 each. I bought about a dozed of each of four sizes. Once you have more than a couple of files, a way to store them is necessary, too. Some ideas here:

https://www.homemadetools.net/site/search?q=file+storage&Search=

https://www.homemadetools.net/site/search?q=file+rack&Search=



William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better


On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 07:32:05 AM CDT, Stephen Bartlett via groups.io <tower.op=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:


And if a file does not come with a handle, put a handle on it.

One handle for each file, not a changeable handle made to be swapped among files.  That is a nuisance and a waste of time.

A cheap turned wood file handle will seriously improve the joy of filing.

Steve Bartlett






Re: hand file

Nick Andrews
 

Aaaaaaand an old, crapped-out file can be round smooth and turned into a scraper tool as well, or made into something else by them blacksmithing types.  No, I really don't need another hobby.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:07 PM wmrmeyers@... <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:
Good info, too! And an advantage to getting good files. Though if you buy cheap files you can grind safe edges on them for special purposes, or just because you want to. So another advantage to cheap files. Where it would hurt to do that to a good Nicholson file for a one-time use, it can be a really good idea for a file you didn't spend much money on that will help you do a special job you don't need to do frequently.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) 

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)



On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 08:43:36 PM CDT, Jim_B <jim@...> wrote:


IMHO
As important as the maker is the type of file. Single cut, double cut, bastard, Swiss pattern, are a few.
For many years now, I have been using Swiss pattern with clean edges. I find that the finish I can get is superior to others and the clean edges let me get next to expensive collets without marking them up.


Jim B,

> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:35 PM, Nelson Collar via groups.io <nel2lar=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nicholson might not be the best around but for my money it is Nicholson!!!
> Cheep files are not worth there weight, steer away from the cheep ones.
> Or buy from stores with a good return policy, buy it, test drive it, and return if the drive is not what you want.
> Tools are too expensive to waste your money on junk!
> Good luck and may the rest drive save you the BUCKS!
> Nelson
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 04:00:09 PM EDT, Mel Gross <melgross@...> wrote:
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> Unfortunately, Nicholson isn’t what it used to be. Really, most files are pretty good these days. You skill in using them is just as important as the files themselves.
>
> Mel
>
>
>
>> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Ruth Busch via groups.io <jbusch=centurylink.net@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> What is a good brand of hand files?  I want to steer clear of foreign stuff.
>>
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Jim B






Re: hand file

Nick Andrews
 

I seriously need to do handles for the rest of mine.  They are all stacked more or less in the same toolbox drawer...

I recently used a file card to remove much contamination from a bunch of my estate sale finds.  Really amazing how much better they cut after that!  The cheapo HF file card I had came apart (big surprise, I know) so Amazon brought me another one.  Still more cleaning to do.


On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 8:02 AM Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
And you can use copper pipe to make a ferrule to keep the wooden handle from splitting. Golf balls make a good file handles, too. You could even (gasp!) buy handles. My local toolohaulic enabler, Steve's Wholesale Tools sells injection molded file handles a variety of sizes for about $0.79 each. I bought about a dozed of each of four sizes. Once you have more than a couple of files, a way to store them is necessary, too. Some ideas here:

https://www.homemadetools.net/site/search?q=file+storage&Search=

https://www.homemadetools.net/site/search?q=file+rack&Search=



William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better


On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 07:32:05 AM CDT, Stephen Bartlett via groups.io <tower.op=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:


And if a file does not come with a handle, put a handle on it.

One handle for each file, not a changeable handle made to be swapped among files.  That is a nuisance and a waste of time.

A cheap turned wood file handle will seriously improve the joy of filing.

Steve Bartlett






Re: hand file

Nick Andrews
 

Not to mention the enjoyment of not stabbing yourself in the palm or wrist while trying to use the thing!  He writes, as he nods and notes that 2/3 of his files do not have handles, even after certain...incidents...

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 7:31 AM Stephen Bartlett via groups.io <tower.op=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
And if a file does not come with a handle, put a handle on it.

One handle for each file, not a changeable handle made to be swapped among files.  That is a nuisance and a waste of time.

A cheap turned wood file handle will seriously improve the joy of filing.

Steve Bartlett






Re: hand file

Bill in OKC too
 

Westward is an import from India. "nuff said.

Besides, I want to lay hands on it before I buy. ;)

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better


On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 10:19:25 AM CDT, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:



From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2022 10:02 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] hand file
 
If you have a card file, and keep your files clean, it's not so much a problem, if you have only a few files. If you have a bunch of files, it's a great idea to have different files for different materials. And file cards for each material, too. So far, I've mostly worked in steel, so I don't usually have that problem, but I do hope to branch out a bit in my making of stuff, so I am trying to acquire a few more files. I've only got 40 or 50. ;)

Not all of them are handled, yet, either. That despite the fact that I have both a bunch of handles, a few golf balls, and hardwood dowels and copper pipe in several diameters. I'm also lacking in file storage. Most of the files I have are in the same small organizer tray, heavily coated with light machine oil from drowning them in WD-40 after my file sharpening experiment.

My favorite file at work was a 14" flat Mill Bastard file. But they didn't let me take it home when I left there, about two years ago. Haven't found one in that size where I could buy it, yet, though I did get a slightly smaller version at HD last year. I then proceeded to tear up my shop, so it's still in the packaging, out there somewhere. I also collected several 12" files from my school when they cleaned out the classroom and threw a bunch of stuff way. If my back would ease up, I could finish the shop setup and organization a lot faster. Next epidural injection the 26th, it may be better after that. For a while.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better


On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 08:28:23 AM CDT, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper@...> wrote:


I suppose you all know that you should keep separate files for steel and brass / bronze? Once a file has been used on steel, it tends to just skid over brassy stuff without cutting. Still works on steel, though.


Eddie


Re: hand file

Andrei
 

Order Westward Mill File, Bastard Cut, Rect, 14 In L, 10Z705 at Zoro.com. Great prices &amp; free shipping on orders over $50 when you sign in or sign up for an account.
www.zoro.com


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2022 10:02 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] hand file
 
If you have a card file, and keep your files clean, it's not so much a problem, if you have only a few files. If you have a bunch of files, it's a great idea to have different files for different materials. And file cards for each material, too. So far, I've mostly worked in steel, so I don't usually have that problem, but I do hope to branch out a bit in my making of stuff, so I am trying to acquire a few more files. I've only got 40 or 50. ;)

Not all of them are handled, yet, either. That despite the fact that I have both a bunch of handles, a few golf balls, and hardwood dowels and copper pipe in several diameters. I'm also lacking in file storage. Most of the files I have are in the same small organizer tray, heavily coated with light machine oil from drowning them in WD-40 after my file sharpening experiment.

My favorite file at work was a 14" flat Mill Bastard file. But they didn't let me take it home when I left there, about two years ago. Haven't found one in that size where I could buy it, yet, though I did get a slightly smaller version at HD last year. I then proceeded to tear up my shop, so it's still in the packaging, out there somewhere. I also collected several 12" files from my school when they cleaned out the classroom and threw a bunch of stuff way. If my back would ease up, I could finish the shop setup and organization a lot faster. Next epidural injection the 26th, it may be better after that. For a while.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better


On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 08:28:23 AM CDT, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper@...> wrote:


I suppose you all know that you should keep separate files for steel and brass / bronze? Once a file has been used on steel, it tends to just skid over brassy stuff without cutting. Still works on steel, though.


Eddie


Re: hand file

Bill in OKC too
 

If you have a card file, and keep your files clean, it's not so much a problem, if you have only a few files. If you have a bunch of files, it's a great idea to have different files for different materials. And file cards for each material, too. So far, I've mostly worked in steel, so I don't usually have that problem, but I do hope to branch out a bit in my making of stuff, so I am trying to acquire a few more files. I've only got 40 or 50. ;)

Not all of them are handled, yet, either. That despite the fact that I have both a bunch of handles, a few golf balls, and hardwood dowels and copper pipe in several diameters. I'm also lacking in file storage. Most of the files I have are in the same small organizer tray, heavily coated with light machine oil from drowning them in WD-40 after my file sharpening experiment.

My favorite file at work was a 14" flat Mill Bastard file. But they didn't let me take it home when I left there, about two years ago. Haven't found one in that size where I could buy it, yet, though I did get a slightly smaller version at HD last year. I then proceeded to tear up my shop, so it's still in the packaging, out there somewhere. I also collected several 12" files from my school when they cleaned out the classroom and threw a bunch of stuff way. If my back would ease up, I could finish the shop setup and organization a lot faster. Next epidural injection the 26th, it may be better after that. For a while.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better


On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 08:28:23 AM CDT, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper@...> wrote:


I suppose you all know that you should keep separate files for steel and brass / bronze? Once a file has been used on steel, it tends to just skid over brassy stuff without cutting. Still works on steel, though.


Eddie


Re: hand file

eddie.draper@btinternet.com
 

I suppose you all know that you should keep separate files for steel and brass / bronze? Once a file has been used on steel, it tends to just skid over brassy stuff without cutting. Still works on steel, though.


Eddie


Re: hand file

Bill in OKC too
 

And you can use copper pipe to make a ferrule to keep the wooden handle from splitting. Golf balls make a good file handles, too. You could even (gasp!) buy handles. My local toolohaulic enabler, Steve's Wholesale Tools sells injection molded file handles a variety of sizes for about $0.79 each. I bought about a dozed of each of four sizes. Once you have more than a couple of files, a way to store them is necessary, too. Some ideas here:

https://www.homemadetools.net/site/search?q=file+storage&Search=

https://www.homemadetools.net/site/search?q=file+rack&Search=



William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


Aphorisms to live by:
SEMPER GUMBY!
Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome.
Physics doesn't care about your schedule.
The only reason I know anything is because I've done it wrong enough times to START to know better


On Thursday, April 14, 2022, 07:32:05 AM CDT, Stephen Bartlett via groups.io <tower.op@...> wrote:


And if a file does not come with a handle, put a handle on it.

One handle for each file, not a changeable handle made to be swapped among files.  That is a nuisance and a waste of time.

A cheap turned wood file handle will seriously improve the joy of filing.

Steve Bartlett






Re: hand file

Stephen Bartlett
 

And if a file does not come with a handle, put a handle on it.

One handle for each file, not a changeable handle made to be swapped among files. That is a nuisance and a waste of time.

A cheap turned wood file handle will seriously improve the joy of filing.

Steve Bartlett


Re: hand file

Sam
 

Simonds, Groge, Pferd,
All foreign made, but good.
The high exchange shipping and so on make these expensive.


Nicholson has been value Engineered, not great, but maybe good enough for the money, easy to buy in stores.
The half round files used to have distal taper, not anymore.  You have to buy a more expensive crossing file to get that now.

Any of the India sourced files I have tried are soft garbage.

Boggs does sharpen, i'ts flat rate on the quantity for them, so fill a flat rate box to ship also.
Makes sense for USA, not other countries.

Find a good industrial supplier, keep in mind a home depot will only sell smooth files
you might be filing all day with that when you really want a coarse bastard.


On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 11:07 PM wmrmeyers@... <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:
Good info, too! And an advantage to getting good files. Though if you buy cheap files you can grind safe edges on them for special purposes, or just because you want to. So another advantage to cheap files. Where it would hurt to do that to a good Nicholson file for a one-time use, it can be a really good idea for a file you didn't spend much money on that will help you do a special job you don't need to do frequently.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) 

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)



On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 08:43:36 PM CDT, Jim_B <jim@...> wrote:


IMHO
As important as the maker is the type of file. Single cut, double cut, bastard, Swiss pattern, are a few.
For many years now, I have been using Swiss pattern with clean edges. I find that the finish I can get is superior to others and the clean edges let me get next to expensive collets without marking them up.


Jim B,

> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:35 PM, Nelson Collar via groups.io <nel2lar=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nicholson might not be the best around but for my money it is Nicholson!!!
> Cheep files are not worth there weight, steer away from the cheep ones.
> Or buy from stores with a good return policy, buy it, test drive it, and return if the drive is not what you want.
> Tools are too expensive to waste your money on junk!
> Good luck and may the rest drive save you the BUCKS!
> Nelson
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 04:00:09 PM EDT, Mel Gross <melgross@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, Nicholson isn’t what it used to be. Really, most files are pretty good these days. You skill in using them is just as important as the files themselves.
>
> Mel
>
>
>
>> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Ruth Busch via groups.io <jbusch=centurylink.net@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> What is a good brand of hand files?  I want to steer clear of foreign stuff.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Jim B






Re: hand file

wmrmeyers@gmail.com
 

Good info, too! And an advantage to getting good files. Though if you buy cheap files you can grind safe edges on them for special purposes, or just because you want to. So another advantage to cheap files. Where it would hurt to do that to a good Nicholson file for a one-time use, it can be a really good idea for a file you didn't spend much money on that will help you do a special job you don't need to do frequently.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) 

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)



On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 08:43:36 PM CDT, Jim_B <jim@...> wrote:


IMHO
As important as the maker is the type of file. Single cut, double cut, bastard, Swiss pattern, are a few.
For many years now, I have been using Swiss pattern with clean edges. I find that the finish I can get is superior to others and the clean edges let me get next to expensive collets without marking them up.


Jim B,

> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:35 PM, Nelson Collar via groups.io <nel2lar=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> Nicholson might not be the best around but for my money it is Nicholson!!!
> Cheep files are not worth there weight, steer away from the cheep ones.
> Or buy from stores with a good return policy, buy it, test drive it, and return if the drive is not what you want.
> Tools are too expensive to waste your money on junk!
> Good luck and may the rest drive save you the BUCKS!
> Nelson
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 04:00:09 PM EDT, Mel Gross <melgross@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Unfortunately, Nicholson isn’t what it used to be. Really, most files are pretty good these days. You skill in using them is just as important as the files themselves.
>
> Mel
>
>
>
>> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Ruth Busch via groups.io <jbusch=centurylink.net@groups.io> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> What is a good brand of hand files?  I want to steer clear of foreign stuff.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
Jim B






Re: hand file

wmrmeyers@gmail.com
 

One advantage to Nicholson files (not the only advantage!) is that they are relatively cheap. I bought a 12" Mill Bastard file for my lathes from Home Depot for about $10 or so last year. And another advantage is that they are readily available in the US for anyone who lives near any sort of hardware store. I've heard good things about Pferd files, but I've never laid hands on one, so couldn't say anything useful about them. I have bought a few Grobet files. They are not cheap. They are very good.

One of the things you need to get the best from any manufacturer's files is a decent file card. They are used to clean a file that has "pinned" or gotten clogged up. Chalking them is supposed to reduce or prevent that, but I'd been using files for quite a few years before anyone shared that bit of info with me (since I was young, it may have been not listening, rather than not hearing...) and I could not seem to keep chalk around for the longest time. All the kids but one have grown up and moved out, so I don't really have that excuse anymore. And he doesn't mess with my tools.

It has been mentioned that you can have files sharpened. I've tried the method of bathing them in hydrochloric acid, since I try to buy every file I find at garage sales and swap meets and the like. Last time I did it was probably about 12 or 13 years ago. So far every file I've taken out of the tray I store them in has been much better than when I put it in the acid. They got the acid neutralized, the salts from neutralizing the acid washed very thoroughly off them, and then submerged in WD-40. Or you can send them off to the place Animal or Andrei mentioned, and have it done, and not have to worry about handling the acid and such.

And finally, import files are not always bad. My mother gave me a set of riffler files imported from China back in the 1970's. I don't use them often, but when I do, they work great, and they were seriously cheap. And I've gotten some good work out of other cheap files. If nothing else, you can loan them to people and not cry if they don't always come home.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.) 

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)



On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 08:35:05 PM CDT, Nelson Collar via groups.io <nel2lar@...> wrote:


Nicholson might not be the best around but for my money it is Nicholson!!!
Cheep files are not worth there weight, steer away from the cheep ones. 
Or buy from stores with a good return policy, buy it, test drive it, and return if the drive is not what you want. 
Tools are too expensive to waste your money on junk!
Good luck and may the rest drive save you the BUCKS!
Nelson 





On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 04:00:09 PM EDT, Mel Gross <melgross@...> wrote:





Unfortunately, Nicholson isn’t what it used to be. Really, most files are pretty good these days. You skill in using them is just as important as the files themselves.

Mel



> On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Ruth Busch via groups.io <jbusch=centurylink.net@groups.io> wrote:
>
> 
> What is a good brand of hand files?   I want to steer clear of foreign stuff.
>








Re: hand file

Jim_B
 

IMHO
As important as the maker is the type of file. Single cut, double cut, bastard, Swiss pattern, are a few.
For many years now, I have been using Swiss pattern with clean edges. I find that the finish I can get is superior to others and the clean edges let me get next to expensive collets without marking them up.


Jim B,

On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:35 PM, Nelson Collar via groups.io <nel2lar@...> wrote:

Nicholson might not be the best around but for my money it is Nicholson!!!
Cheep files are not worth there weight, steer away from the cheep ones.
Or buy from stores with a good return policy, buy it, test drive it, and return if the drive is not what you want.
Tools are too expensive to waste your money on junk!
Good luck and may the rest drive save you the BUCKS!
Nelson





On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 04:00:09 PM EDT, Mel Gross <melgross@...> wrote:





Unfortunately, Nicholson isn’t what it used to be. Really, most files are pretty good these days. You skill in using them is just as important as the files themselves.

Mel



On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Ruth Busch via groups.io <jbusch@...> wrote:


What is a good brand of hand files? I want to steer clear of foreign stuff.





--
Jim B


Re: hand file

Nelson Collar
 

Nicholson might not be the best around but for my money it is Nicholson!!!
Cheep files are not worth there weight, steer away from the cheep ones. 
Or buy from stores with a good return policy, buy it, test drive it, and return if the drive is not what you want. 
Tools are too expensive to waste your money on junk!
Good luck and may the rest drive save you the BUCKS!
Nelson

On Wednesday, April 13, 2022, 04:00:09 PM EDT, Mel Gross <melgross@...> wrote:





Unfortunately, Nicholson isn’t what it used to be. Really, most files are pretty good these days. You skill in using them is just as important as the files themselves.

Mel



On Apr 13, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Ruth Busch via groups.io <jbusch@...> wrote:


What is a good brand of hand files?   I want to steer clear of foreign stuff.

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