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Re: We are reaching our "Free" storage limit.

Jim_B
 

I am owner and a moderator on the South Bend Heavy 10 group also. 
It’s very lightly used. 


Jim B,

On Jun 23, 2021, at 3:45 PM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers@...> wrote:

BTW, there are three other South Bend lathe groups at Groups.io, I moderate one, and am a member of the others, but this one is the only one that's very active.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)




On Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 02:07:18 PM CDT, wlw19958 <wlw-19958@...> wrote:


Hi There,

I am somewhat confused in regards to Groups.IO's pricing.
I am co-owner of the clausing-lathe-and-mill group here on
Groups.IO.  Our Group is on the "premium" plan and we have
over 2800 members but our Group is only charged the flat
$220/year.  According to their pricing (as supplied by Bill),
Our Group should be paying $1,265.88/year but so far,
we haven't been charged this amount. 

Even so, the yearly charge of $2200 per year is less than $.50
per member per year (provided that every member pays).  I am
sure that a significant number of "members" are no longer active
with this Group and setting a policy of having members "pay to play"
would help to get rid of the dead wood and bring membership
down (and save costs).

One way to reduce storage overhead would be for members to
put their pics and files on a different hosting site and then only
post links.  I used to do this until PhotoBucket changed from a
free host site and started charging and threatening to delete
ones file if one didn't pay (that is why I refer to them as PhotoBlackmail
now).  If we could find a reliable hosting site (preferably free) to
upload pics and files, this could be an answer (or at least a
work around).  Admittedly, directly embedding pics and files in
the post is the most straight forward way to do things. 

I, for one would be willing to "pay to play" on this Group.  If only
10% actually will pay, that is still less than $5 per year.  We could
even have a structured membership hierarchy.  Say, $5/year for
full membership privileges, and $1/year for members that wish to
read posts and files and submit posts but with no attachments.

It would be best if we could keep this Group free but that is going
to severely limit our usefulness.  going through old posts and deleting
attachments is going to be tedious and will possibly destroy the
meaning and usefulness of the post. 

Another possibility would be to form a series of smaller groups that
would be satellites of the main group (say a 9" and 10K Group, Heavy 
Ten Group, etc.) but context will be severely weakened and trying to
keep up with all of them will be tedious and this will create some
redundancy between the satellites.  This was done back in the Yahoo!
days. 

So, there isn't any "perfect" answer.  I think moving to a "premium" level
will have the most benefit but it isn't my call.  All I can do is present my
ideas and provide a dialog in which we can discuss the pro's and con's
and try to find the most suitable solution.

Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb

--
Jim B


Re: We are reaching our "Free" storage limit.

Jim_B
 

If I am not mistaken I believe we have set the group to automatically scale attachments to 488 X 488. 
That’s attachments only. 


Jim B,

On Jun 23, 2021, at 3:42 PM, eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper@...> wrote:


Just a courtesy point: I nearly always reduce the file size of photos before emailing or posting. You don't need specialist photo processing software, just the standard windows stuff will allow you to crop (which reduces file size by discarding part of the image) and / or reducing resolution. If you have a half decent camera, unless you intend blowing a picture up to 3' or so you can't tell the difference between a 6 meg file and a 600k one.


Prior to retirement, I used to have to review a lot of less senior engineers' technical reports, maintenance or assembly instructions or submissions for independent approvals. I've lost track of the number I've sent back at the first hurdle just on the basis of pasting in quantities of excessive size photo files resulting in pointlessly huge Word files.


Could it be made a rule that attached photos must be no larger than say 500k or they get auto rejected?


Eddie


_._,_._,_



--
Jim B


Re: We are reaching our "Free" storage limit.

Bill in OKC too
 

We got grandfathered in when they started the newest pricing scheme. My Metal-Shapers-and-Planers group is about 3600 folks, and only $110 a year. It was also one of the first groups moved over here from Yahoo.

That $2200 yearly charge is for an Enterprise group. The other levels are Premium, now 30GB of storage and 500 members for $240/year, and free, 1GB storage, and 100 members, and those are all for new or upgraded groups.

Mark has to pay for all the hardware and labor it took to upgrade his server farm once Oath announced they were dumping Yahoo Groups entirely.

BTW, there are three other South Bend lathe groups at Groups.io, I moderate one, and am a member of the others, but this one is the only one that's very active.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)




On Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 02:07:18 PM CDT, wlw19958 <wlw-19958@...> wrote:


Hi There,

I am somewhat confused in regards to Groups.IO's pricing.
I am co-owner of the clausing-lathe-and-mill group here on
Groups.IO.  Our Group is on the "premium" plan and we have
over 2800 members but our Group is only charged the flat
$220/year.  According to their pricing (as supplied by Bill),
Our Group should be paying $1,265.88/year but so far,
we haven't been charged this amount. 

Even so, the yearly charge of $2200 per year is less than $.50
per member per year (provided that every member pays).  I am
sure that a significant number of "members" are no longer active
with this Group and setting a policy of having members "pay to play"
would help to get rid of the dead wood and bring membership
down (and save costs).

One way to reduce storage overhead would be for members to
put their pics and files on a different hosting site and then only
post links.  I used to do this until PhotoBucket changed from a
free host site and started charging and threatening to delete
ones file if one didn't pay (that is why I refer to them as PhotoBlackmail
now).  If we could find a reliable hosting site (preferably free) to
upload pics and files, this could be an answer (or at least a
work around).  Admittedly, directly embedding pics and files in
the post is the most straight forward way to do things. 

I, for one would be willing to "pay to play" on this Group.  If only
10% actually will pay, that is still less than $5 per year.  We could
even have a structured membership hierarchy.  Say, $5/year for
full membership privileges, and $1/year for members that wish to
read posts and files and submit posts but with no attachments.

It would be best if we could keep this Group free but that is going
to severely limit our usefulness.  going through old posts and deleting
attachments is going to be tedious and will possibly destroy the
meaning and usefulness of the post. 

Another possibility would be to form a series of smaller groups that
would be satellites of the main group (say a 9" and 10K Group, Heavy 
Ten Group, etc.) but context will be severely weakened and trying to
keep up with all of them will be tedious and this will create some
redundancy between the satellites.  This was done back in the Yahoo!
days. 

So, there isn't any "perfect" answer.  I think moving to a "premium" level
will have the most benefit but it isn't my call.  All I can do is present my
ideas and provide a dialog in which we can discuss the pro's and con's
and try to find the most suitable solution.

Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb


Re: We are reaching our "Free" storage limit.

eddie.draper@btinternet.com
 

Just a courtesy point: I nearly always reduce the file size of photos before emailing or posting. You don't need specialist photo processing software, just the standard windows stuff will allow you to crop (which reduces file size by discarding part of the image) and / or reducing resolution. If you have a half decent camera, unless you intend blowing a picture up to 3' or so you can't tell the difference between a 6 meg file and a 600k one.


Prior to retirement, I used to have to review a lot of less senior engineers' technical reports, maintenance or assembly instructions or submissions for independent approvals. I've lost track of the number I've sent back at the first hurdle just on the basis of pasting in quantities of excessive size photo files resulting in pointlessly huge Word files.


Could it be made a rule that attached photos must be no larger than say 500k or they get auto rejected?


Eddie



Re: We are reaching our "Free" storage limit.

Bill in OKC too
 

Files aren't so much of a problem as photographs are. They can be pretty large. One of my cameras is a 16mp, though I usually use the cell phone, which is only a 8mp camera. Photos from the cell phone run generally around 3.6-4.6mb. 1GB sounds like a lot of space, until you fill it with photos. I had wanted to upgrade a couple of the smaller groups I own, but I can't afford the increases for my groups, and I'm a bit limited in how much I can donate to the other groups I belong to. When they were all on Yahoo, I was a member of over 100 groups, mostly metalworking, and now it's a total of 52. I am an owner of 7 groups, and moderator on 3 more. For the past year, I've been letting it cut into my shop time, but here lately, I'm spending a bit more time in the shop. I think it's about time I get the place organized, and all the machines set up properly, fixed where needed, and learn to operate them all.

I've had my primary email (not this one) for over 20 years, and I get usually at least 50 spam emails a day on that account. Only a few of my groups are now associated with that email address, and I really don't want this one readily available for email address skimmers. It used to be a problem on Yahoo, and I could see it happening here. I've got three other email addresses, including this one, that I'd like to protect. Eventually the rotters will find a way, and then I'll be getting several hundred a day.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)




On Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 02:03:08 PM CDT, Rogan Creswick <creswick@...> wrote:


Thanks for digging into the price details, Bill. That's much higher than I expected after looking at the pricing page.

I'm somewhat ambivalent about my email address getting out there -- it's out there already, and the run-of-the mill spam filtering seems to be working fine, but I understand the concern and I don't feel particularly strongly about it.

Doing nothing is a fine plan, but under that plan I don't see much use to the files area.  It's effectively temporary storage, so anyone who wants to share something longer-term should probably find another hosting option, and just post links.


On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:26 AM Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
If we do that, it exposes all the email address of all the members to the internet. And IIRC, you cannot change a groups from Private to Public after it's established. I'm pretty sure the answer is no, and I'm hoping that hasn't changed. I get more than enough spam email as it is. I'd rather not have all our email address any more exposed than they already are. 

Not my choice to make, though.

Bill in OKC

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 12:13 PM, Rogan Creswick wrote:
Can the files / photos be made available to people who aren't signed in? 
 
I'm also happy to help cover the cost, but I want those to be visible to people who're just trying to find a doc and don't want to sign up for yet another mailing list.


Re: We are reaching our "Free" storage limit.

mark lester
 

I looked at the premium pricing too and when I thought $220 was the number was going to offer to cover the 1st year.

I know it’s a job to moderate groups like this and considerably more of a job when money starts changing hands.

Im a lurking member still getting to know my Heavy 10. I have learned so much from you guys.

Mark


Re: We are reaching our "Free" storage limit.

wlw19958
 

Hi There,

I am somewhat confused in regards to Groups.IO's pricing.
I am co-owner of the clausing-lathe-and-mill group here on
Groups.IO.  Our Group is on the "premium" plan and we have
over 2800 members but our Group is only charged the flat
$220/year.  According to their pricing (as supplied by Bill),
Our Group should be paying $1,265.88/year but so far,
we haven't been charged this amount. 

Even so, the yearly charge of $2200 per year is less than $.50
per member per year (provided that every member pays).  I am
sure that a significant number of "members" are no longer active
with this Group and setting a policy of having members "pay to play"
would help to get rid of the dead wood and bring membership
down (and save costs).

One way to reduce storage overhead would be for members to
put their pics and files on a different hosting site and then only
post links.  I used to do this until PhotoBucket changed from a
free host site and started charging and threatening to delete
ones file if one didn't pay (that is why I refer to them as PhotoBlackmail
now).  If we could find a reliable hosting site (preferably free) to
upload pics and files, this could be an answer (or at least a
work around).  Admittedly, directly embedding pics and files in
the post is the most straight forward way to do things. 

I, for one would be willing to "pay to play" on this Group.  If only
10% actually will pay, that is still less than $5 per year.  We could
even have a structured membership hierarchy.  Say, $5/year for
full membership privileges, and $1/year for members that wish to
read posts and files and submit posts but with no attachments.

It would be best if we could keep this Group free but that is going
to severely limit our usefulness.  going through old posts and deleting
attachments is going to be tedious and will possibly destroy the
meaning and usefulness of the post. 

Another possibility would be to form a series of smaller groups that
would be satellites of the main group (say a 9" and 10K Group, Heavy 
Ten Group, etc.) but context will be severely weakened and trying to
keep up with all of them will be tedious and this will create some
redundancy between the satellites.  This was done back in the Yahoo!
days. 

So, there isn't any "perfect" answer.  I think moving to a "premium" level
will have the most benefit but it isn't my call.  All I can do is present my
ideas and provide a dialog in which we can discuss the pro's and con's
and try to find the most suitable solution.

Good Luck!
-Blue Chips-
Webb


Re: We are reaching our "Free" storage limit.

Rogan Creswick
 

Thanks for digging into the price details, Bill. That's much higher than I expected after looking at the pricing page.

I'm somewhat ambivalent about my email address getting out there -- it's out there already, and the run-of-the mill spam filtering seems to be working fine, but I understand the concern and I don't feel particularly strongly about it.

Doing nothing is a fine plan, but under that plan I don't see much use to the files area.  It's effectively temporary storage, so anyone who wants to share something longer-term should probably find another hosting option, and just post links.


On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 10:26 AM Bill in OKC too via groups.io <wmrmeyers=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
If we do that, it exposes all the email address of all the members to the internet. And IIRC, you cannot change a groups from Private to Public after it's established. I'm pretty sure the answer is no, and I'm hoping that hasn't changed. I get more than enough spam email as it is. I'd rather not have all our email address any more exposed than they already are. 

Not my choice to make, though.

Bill in OKC

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 12:13 PM, Rogan Creswick wrote:
Can the files / photos be made available to people who aren't signed in? 
 
I'm also happy to help cover the cost, but I want those to be visible to people who're just trying to find a doc and don't want to sign up for yet another mailing list.


Re: We are reaching our "Free" storage limit.

Bill in OKC too
 

If we do that, it exposes all the email address of all the members to the internet. And IIRC, you cannot change a groups from Private to Public after it's established. I'm pretty sure the answer is no, and I'm hoping that hasn't changed. I get more than enough spam email as it is. I'd rather not have all our email address any more exposed than they already are. 

Not my choice to make, though.

Bill in OKC


On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 12:13 PM, Rogan Creswick wrote:
Can the files / photos be made available to people who aren't signed in? 
 
I'm also happy to help cover the cost, but I want those to be visible to people who're just trying to find a doc and don't want to sign up for yet another mailing list.


Re: We are reaching our "Free" storage limit.

Bill in OKC too
 

So far as I can see, Jim B's plan to do nothing is about the best that can be done.

It's getting a lot more expensive to upgrade now. https://groups.io/static/pricing  A Premium Group is $20/month, up to 500 members, plus $0.44/member per year over 500. We've got over 5,000 members listed. If I calculated that correctly, it is over $1980 per year just for the additional members. that increases the group to 30GB of storage.  An Enterprise Group is $200/month for up to 1000 members, and additional members are $2.20/year each. If I figure that right, that's another $8800/year. That's a terabyte (1TB, or 1000GB) of storage. 

I'm just a member here, not a moderator or owner, but I can't see a way to do this with the rules as they are now. A year or so ago, it would have been doable. I helped the 4x6bandsaw group do it, to a Premium group. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm doing this stuff, including the groups I own or moderate, for fun. I'm spending time and money on it, not making money, so there will come a time when I can't do this any more. I'm only 66, retired and in decent health, but no one knows what will happen today, no matter what we have planned. That is the reason I have several co-owners on the groups I own. Not to mention that I lost about a third of my income when I retired. SWMBO doesn't want me spending a bunch of her grocery money on tools and stuff. :)

I don't know if you remember J.W. Early. He owned several of the 7x mini-lathe groups , mlathemods & mlatheprojects (with several numbers since Yahoo had a 100MB storage limit back then) when I first got into the metalworking groups on Yahoo. He died unexpectedly, and no one could take over the groups, so they essentially died, too. If you were an unmoderated member you could post, and if not, you could not, and no one could fix it. Then, Yahoo went under, and they disappeared. Whatever material was on them was lost. I don't want to see that happening here, or on any of the other groups I belong to, but realistically, what I can do is very limited. Pretty sure the same it true for Jim B, to some extent on another. 

Bill in OKC


Re: We are reaching our "Free" storage limit.

Rogan Creswick
 

Can the files / photos be made available to people who aren't signed in? 

I'm also happy to help cover the cost, but I want those to be visible to people who're just trying to find a doc and don't want to sign up for yet another mailing list.

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 6:36 AM Ray De Jong via groups.io <dejongray=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks Jim, I agree to do nothing. It will still take a while, certainly long enough for us to to review and save photos as we desire.
Ray

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021, 10:30:38 AM PDT, Jim_B <jim@...> wrote:


I received this message today.

This email message is a notification to let you know that your group SouthBendLathe@groups.io is using over 80% of its available storage of 1GB. The storage space is used by attachments, files, photos, database images and wiki images. You can view the usage statistics for your group here.

Based on your group settings, when the storage limit is reached, the oldest attachments will be automatically deleted to make space.


Note: If your group is already over its storage allotment, we will delete attachments starting in two weeks from when you received this notice.

If you would like to increase the amount of storage space available for your group, please visit:

https://groups.io/g/SouthBendLathe/plans

Alternatively, you can set your group to bounce messages that contain attachments. To do so, go to your group's Settings page and look for the 'Out Of Space' setting at the bottom of the 'Message Policies' section.


The pictures that we attach to our messages constitute about 350 Mb of our allocated 1 Gb. 
If we reach our limit, these will be automatically  deleted, in the order they were posted. 
I doubt if anyone ever goes back to look at these. 
So we can do nothing, or I can go back to the beginning and delete some myself.  (A lot of work).
or 
The storage limit can be increased at an annual cost. 

My initial plan is to do nothing. 

The group is set to rescale posted pictures at 488 by 488 so it will take a lot of deleting on my part to clean up some room. 

If anyone feels they want a permanent copy of an attached picture I would suggest they logon to Groups.io, Southbendlathe,  go to photos,  then emailed photos, and make a copy for their files. 


Jim B.





--
Jim B


Re: We are reaching our "Free" storage limit.

Jim_B
 

Thanks for the offer. I am trying to avoid that. 

On Jun 23, 2021, at 12:41 PM, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:

        if you need to move it up to the pay size group , let me know & I'll chip in

        animal

On 6/22/2021 10:30 AM, Jim_B wrote:


--
Jim B


Re: We are reaching our "Free" storage limit.

mike allen
 

        if you need to move it up to the pay size group , let me know & I'll chip in

        animal

On 6/22/2021 10:30 AM, Jim_B wrote:
I received this message today.

This email message is a notification to let you know that your group SouthBendLathe@groups.io is using over 80% of its available storage of 1GB. The storage space is used by attachments, files, photos, database images and wiki images. You can view the usage statistics for your group here.

Based on your group settings, when the storage limit is reached, the oldest attachments will be automatically deleted to make space.


Note: If your group is already over its storage allotment, we will delete attachments starting in two weeks from when you received this notice.

If you would like to increase the amount of storage space available for your group, please visit:

https://groups.io/g/SouthBendLathe/plans

Alternatively, you can set your group to bounce messages that contain attachments. To do so, go to your group's Settings page and look for the 'Out Of Space' setting at the bottom of the 'Message Policies' section.


The pictures that we attach to our messages constitute about 350 Mb of our allocated 1 Gb. 
If we reach our limit, these will be automatically  deleted, in the order they were posted. 
I doubt if anyone ever goes back to look at these. 
So we can do nothing, or I can go back to the beginning and delete some myself.  (A lot of work).
or 
The storage limit can be increased at an annual cost. 

My initial plan is to do nothing. 

The group is set to rescale posted pictures at 488 by 488 so it will take a lot of deleting on my part to clean up some room. 

If anyone feels they want a permanent copy of an attached picture I would suggest they logon to Groups.io, Southbendlathe,  go to photos,  then emailed photos, and make a copy for their files. 


Jim B.





--
Jim B


Re: We are reaching our "Free" storage limit.

Ray De Jong
 

Thanks Jim, I agree to do nothing. It will still take a while, certainly long enough for us to to review and save photos as we desire.
Ray

On Tuesday, June 22, 2021, 10:30:38 AM PDT, Jim_B <jim@...> wrote:


I received this message today.

This email message is a notification to let you know that your group SouthBendLathe@groups.io is using over 80% of its available storage of 1GB. The storage space is used by attachments, files, photos, database images and wiki images. You can view the usage statistics for your group here.

Based on your group settings, when the storage limit is reached, the oldest attachments will be automatically deleted to make space.


Note: If your group is already over its storage allotment, we will delete attachments starting in two weeks from when you received this notice.

If you would like to increase the amount of storage space available for your group, please visit:

https://groups.io/g/SouthBendLathe/plans

Alternatively, you can set your group to bounce messages that contain attachments. To do so, go to your group's Settings page and look for the 'Out Of Space' setting at the bottom of the 'Message Policies' section.


The pictures that we attach to our messages constitute about 350 Mb of our allocated 1 Gb. 
If we reach our limit, these will be automatically  deleted, in the order they were posted. 
I doubt if anyone ever goes back to look at these. 
So we can do nothing, or I can go back to the beginning and delete some myself.  (A lot of work).
or 
The storage limit can be increased at an annual cost. 

My initial plan is to do nothing. 

The group is set to rescale posted pictures at 488 by 488 so it will take a lot of deleting on my part to clean up some room. 

If anyone feels they want a permanent copy of an attached picture I would suggest they logon to Groups.io, Southbendlathe,  go to photos,  then emailed photos, and make a copy for their files. 


Jim B.





--
Jim B


Re: We are reaching our "Free" storage limit.

Payson
 

Thank you for all the work you do to keep the forums open. 


Payson. 


Re: collets:

Nick Andrews
 

My set of ER40 just obtained is a 29pc set through 1" but I also see smaller sets that go to 1-1/4" (I think). My intention was to use them to hold odd-sized tooling in mill spindle, and then obtain or make square and hex holders to use in vise work in the mill or shaper.  A lathe chuck for ER40 would then make them even more versatile, provided I am able to mount it as close to perfectly concentric as possible.  I haven't fitted the new 4-jaw backplate and chuck to my lathe yet.  Want to get a tiny bit more experience on it even though I know it's not as nuts-on critical as centering a collet chuck would be.

The mill came with a chuck for double taper ZZ (I think) collets, but only a couple each in 3/8" and 1/2" and no spanner.  Useful but not overly so.  Similarly, my 11" Sheldon lathe came with about four 5C collets.  I need to see if the nose piece that fits in the spindle short MT5 is the right adapter piece for the 5C to fit.  Even if it is, I'll need to make a collet closer tube to run through the spindle.

I intend to make a spider attachment to fit the outboard end of the spindle to help center barrels for chambering and threading more precisely.  There's not much spindle sticking out past the end cover at all, but I think a nice tight fit with pointed set screws would hold it on.


On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 8:18 AM ww_big_al <arknack@...> wrote:

The ER40 collets do not have a gap in their range. There are 29 collets in a complete imperial set. Most “sets” sold are not complete. I had to purchase individual collets to make a complete set. What I like about the imperial set is the collets overlaping ranges so I can select a collet in it’s middle of the clamp range.

Al

 

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Steven Schlegel
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 12:32 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] collets:

 

About the ER collets, each collet covers a range of 1mm. I use ER 32 collets because I found them on sale. I wish I had ER 40 collets because they go bigger. The ER collets go from the printed size down 1mm. Never put a bit or stock bigger than the printed size into an ER collets because it could distort the collet.

The ER collets hold bits/stock over a longer length than a 3c or 5c collet, giving them a better grip. The modestly priced sets will give you 0.0003" TIR which is pretty good. Do to the range they will hold, you do not need an exact size. Nothing wiggles I'm the ER collet like it does in the 3c or 5c collet if the size is not perfect.

I purchased both both a square and hex holder, and a lathe chuck that mounts on a backplate. All pretty reasonably priced.

I use one set of collets for both my lathe and vertical mill. While I have both imperial and metric, I have only used the metric set because it gives me complete coverage from 2mm to the top of the range. The imperial set has gaps that exceed the 1mm range. I simple measure the bit/stock diameter in mm and chose the next integer size collet larger if it is between sizes.

Just my experience...

Steven


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of comstock_friend <jfriend314@...>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 8:24:54 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] collets:

 

"Complete set"; are you sure you want or need 1/64", 1/32" or 3/64" collets? They're in the set. My first size either 3C or 5C is 1/16" (well, I do have a 5C 3/64" but I do not anticipate using it any time soon!) Sets of 3C's also include hex and squares (something that the ER series can't handle). Obviously more collets in 5C, as they go up to 1-1/4" or larger with closers and such. The typical max 3C (also 1A you will find interchanges easily) taps out at 9/16".

There are standard metric sizes and the are decimal sizes by thousands. A "complete set" is crazy expensive in 5C and probably unobtainum in 3C/1A.

Here's my (mostly complete) set:

John


We are reaching our "Free" storage limit.

Jim_B
 

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The pictures that we attach to our messages constitute about 350 Mb of our allocated 1 Gb. 
If we reach our limit, these will be automatically  deleted, in the order they were posted. 
I doubt if anyone ever goes back to look at these. 
So we can do nothing, or I can go back to the beginning and delete some myself.  (A lot of work).
or 
The storage limit can be increased at an annual cost. 

My initial plan is to do nothing. 

The group is set to rescale posted pictures at 488 by 488 so it will take a lot of deleting on my part to clean up some room. 

If anyone feels they want a permanent copy of an attached picture I would suggest they logon to Groups.io, Southbendlathe,  go to photos,  then emailed photos, and make a copy for their files. 


Jim B.





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Jim B


Re: 5C collet closer

Payson
 

Hi Ruth,
I don't usually get to respond early in the game here. Others answer the questions, and i lurk. By knob you must mean the knurled ring, at the end of the closer, with a setscrew just foreward? I apologize if this is too basic.
3 Things;
The spindle adapter has a key, and the slot in the collet locates there. Otherwise the collet can spin and not get tight.
The closer has a key to mate it with the back end of the spindle. Without that in place, the tube can loosen from the collet.
Collets have a range, and your stock may not be large enough to fill the collet.

I have a closer on my 10K cabinet model. It uses a pin, not a key, in the end of the spindle, to locate the unit, which never stays tight,

Again, I apologize if this is obvious to you.

Payson.


Re: 5C collet closer

Roger Bickers
 

Don't turn the knob so much between locking up loosely and the lever moving only slightly.  You have to find the sweet spot. 
If you still struggle, then that knob on the end of the tube opposite the collet itself is threaded and has a locking set screw in it that will take an Allen wrench.. however..it has a sweet spot that works with the levers range of motion also. 
Good luck and try the first way I mention first.
Roger That


On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 2:50 PM, Ruth Busch
<jbusch@...> wrote:
Any idea what my problem is?

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim_B" <jim@...>
To: "SouthBendLathe" <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 1:05:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] 5C collet closer

Long story, so forgive me.

I had an early 405 9’ Workshop. it had a “Top Oiler” headstock, I Changed this out to a later side oiler. While I was doing thisI also used a 10K spindle.
(Yes the 9” Workshop and 10K have the same journal dimensions.)

The primary reason, at the time, was that the 10K spindle has a slightly larger bore. 55/64 vs 49/64, or 0.860 vs 0.766. This is enough to add a lot of versatility.

IN ADDITION the 10K spindle will accept a SB proprietary 6K collet. It does this without any adapter. These allow one to hold 5/8 stock through the headstock as opposed to the upper limit of 1/2 THROUGH THE HEADSTOCK with the 3C.

6K collets are expensive and rare, I took me about 8 years to collect a complete set. I can go from 1/16 to 5/8 in steps of 1/64.

I highlighted the 1/2 THROUGH THE COLLET because there are some 3C collets larger than 1/2” which, have an internal step bore, and allow you to insert material to a depth of about 1”.
I had them in steps of 1/64 to 9/16” at one time. I sold my 405 some years ago, along with the larger than 1/2 collets.

One thing which has not been mentioned. Is that the 3C/5C/6K collets are available in in botjh square and Hex. Not so with the ER’s.

I use 5C on my 10L and I do have some hex and square collets. I find them quite useful. I do have and ER-40 setup, but I mostly use that for odd size work, since my 5C’s are incremented in 1/32” steps.

I do miss having the 1/64 steps of the 6K’s but while I still have the collet set, I don't have a Lathe to take them.

One other note. The ER’s with their adapter stick out beyond the spindle 1.5 to 2”. I don't care for that.




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Jim B









Re: collets:

ww_big_al
 

The ER40 collets do not have a gap in their range. There are 29 collets in a complete imperial set. Most “sets” sold are not complete. I had to purchase individual collets to make a complete set. What I like about the imperial set is the collets overlaping ranges so I can select a collet in it’s middle of the clamp range.

Al

 

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Steven Schlegel
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 12:32 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] collets:

 

About the ER collets, each collet covers a range of 1mm. I use ER 32 collets because I found them on sale. I wish I had ER 40 collets because they go bigger. The ER collets go from the printed size down 1mm. Never put a bit or stock bigger than the printed size into an ER collets because it could distort the collet.

The ER collets hold bits/stock over a longer length than a 3c or 5c collet, giving them a better grip. The modestly priced sets will give you 0.0003" TIR which is pretty good. Do to the range they will hold, you do not need an exact size. Nothing wiggles I'm the ER collet like it does in the 3c or 5c collet if the size is not perfect.

I purchased both both a square and hex holder, and a lathe chuck that mounts on a backplate. All pretty reasonably priced.

I use one set of collets for both my lathe and vertical mill. While I have both imperial and metric, I have only used the metric set because it gives me complete coverage from 2mm to the top of the range. The imperial set has gaps that exceed the 1mm range. I simple measure the bit/stock diameter in mm and chose the next integer size collet larger if it is between sizes.

Just my experience...

Steven


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of comstock_friend <jfriend314@...>
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 8:24:54 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] collets:

 

"Complete set"; are you sure you want or need 1/64", 1/32" or 3/64" collets? They're in the set. My first size either 3C or 5C is 1/16" (well, I do have a 5C 3/64" but I do not anticipate using it any time soon!) Sets of 3C's also include hex and squares (something that the ER series can't handle). Obviously more collets in 5C, as they go up to 1-1/4" or larger with closers and such. The typical max 3C (also 1A you will find interchanges easily) taps out at 9/16".

There are standard metric sizes and the are decimal sizes by thousands. A "complete set" is crazy expensive in 5C and probably unobtainum in 3C/1A.

Here's my (mostly complete) set:

John

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