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Re: 37/47 transposing gear on 9”model A

david pennington
 

Beautiful gears, Jim! Mine 'came' with a brown patina, and I've left them that way. 

Glad to see a pic of the 127/100 gear installed.

Is that original SB? If not, where did you get it?

Dave

-------- Original message --------
From: Jim_B <jim@...>
Date: 8/13/20 10:27 (GMT-07:00)
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] 37/47 transposing gear on 9”model A


This is a 127/100 gear on a Model C. 

Your gear should go on the Banjo, more or less in place of, or in addition to, the 80 Tooth Idler. However there should be a spacer, behind the gearbox drive gear. This will need to be moved in front. The Twin gear rocker gear should engage the larger of the gears, then the Gearbox gear engages the smaller one. With your smaller gears you may need to add an idler to make things fit. 

As noted you will not get an exact 25 TPI. Just changing the rocker gear or the gearbox input gear would have been better. 


On Aug 13, 2020, at 12:00 PM, drinkr55 via groups.io <drinkr@...> wrote:

I need to cut some 25 tpi threads on my south bend 9A qc lathe. I purchased a printed 37/47 transposing gear of eBay thinking it might work. I can’t seem to find any information on how and where to install the gear set on my lathe and how to cut the threads I need. Any pictures or advice would be great.

Jim B.





--
Jim B


Re: 37/47 transposing gear on 9”model A

Andrei
 

M25 x 1.5mm is a metric thread. no tpi there. 


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of ww_big_al <arknack@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 1:50 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] 37/47 transposing gear on 9”model A
 
His question mentioned tpi. Threads per inch. Did you mean a metric thread pitch? Do you mean a 1.00 iso pitch?

Al Knack

On Aug 13, 2020, at 1:29 PM, drinkr55 via groups.io <drinkr@...> wrote:

I’m sorry I meant M25x1.5 threads


Re: 37/47 transposing gear on 9”model A

ww_big_al
 

His question mentioned tpi. Threads per inch. Did you mean a metric thread pitch? Do you mean a 1.00 iso pitch?

Al Knack

On Aug 13, 2020, at 1:29 PM, drinkr55 via groups.io <drinkr@...> wrote:

I’m sorry I meant M25x1.5 threads


Re: 37/47 transposing gear on 9”model A

drinkr55
 

I’m sorry I meant M25x1.5 threads


Re: 37/47 transposing gear on 9”model A

Jim_B
 


This is a 127/100 gear on a Model C. 

Your gear should go on the Banjo, more or less in place of, or in addition to, the 80 Tooth Idler. However there should be a spacer, behind the gearbox drive gear. This will need to be moved in front. The Twin gear rocker gear should engage the larger of the gears, then the Gearbox gear engages the smaller one. With your smaller gears you may need to add an idler to make things fit. 

As noted you will not get an exact 25 TPI. Just changing the rocker gear or the gearbox input gear would have been better. 


On Aug 13, 2020, at 12:00 PM, drinkr55 via groups.io <drinkr@...> wrote:

I need to cut some 25 tpi threads on my south bend 9A qc lathe. I purchased a printed 37/47 transposing gear of eBay thinking it might work. I can’t seem to find any information on how and where to install the gear set on my lathe and how to cut the threads I need. Any pictures or advice would be great.

Jim B.





--
Jim B


Re: 37/47 transposing gear on 9”model A

Ondrej Krejci
 

Howdy,

Those gears are an approximation for metric transposing.  You can get close to 25 pitch, 25.something, but not exactly.  One way, selecting 32 pitch will give 25.1914..., the other, selecting 20 pitch will give 25.4054... .  You may get closer, depending on what other gears lead to the QC gear box and doing some math, fractions.

Good Luck,


OK

On Thursday, August 13, 2020, 12:00:37 PM EDT, drinkr55 via groups.io <drinkr@...> wrote:


I need to cut some 25 tpi threads on my south bend 9A qc lathe. I purchased a printed 37/47 transposing gear of eBay thinking it might work. I can’t seem to find any information on how and where to install the gear set on my lathe and how to cut the threads I need. Any pictures or advice would be great.


Re: 37/47 transposing gear on 9”model A

m. allan noah
 

I'm confused- the 47/37 compound is for approximating metric threads...

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 12:00 PM drinkr55 via groups.io
<drinkr=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

I need to cut some 25 tpi threads on my south bend 9A qc lathe. I purchased a printed 37/47 transposing gear of eBay thinking it might work. I can’t seem to find any information on how and where to install the gear set on my lathe and how to cut the threads I need. Any pictures or advice would be great.


--
"well, I stand up next to a mountain- and I chop it down with the edge
of my hand"


37/47 transposing gear on 9”model A

drinkr55
 

I need to cut some 25 tpi threads on my south bend 9A qc lathe. I purchased a printed 37/47 transposing gear of eBay thinking it might work. I can’t seem to find any information on how and where to install the gear set on my lathe and how to cut the threads I need. Any pictures or advice would be great.


Re: 9" dimensional drawings

Jim_B
 

If you are inquiring about a 9” Workshop lathe, Please go to the files section and look at “Tooling Dimensions”  SB-7324. 

Remember there were at least 3 different SB 9” lathes. So you need to be specific. 



On Aug 7, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Prasanna K <prasi.hobby@...> wrote:

Dear Alan,

Could you please help me with the drawings.

Best Regards..
Prasanna K

Jim B.





--
Jim B


Re: 9" dimensional drawings

Prasanna K
 

Dear Alan,

Could you please help me with the drawings.

Best Regards..
Prasanna K


Re: how do I clean and polish a lathe bed

RJ White
 




On Aug 3, 2020, at 6:24 AM, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:


Great tip, Richard. 

I will keep Easy Off in mind. I had some pieces where the paint was super stubborn to remove. 

Thanks,
Andrei

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Richard Wanke <r.wanke@...>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 8:32 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] how do I clean and polish a lathe bed
 
I used Easy Off oven cleaner on my old South Bend. Sprayed it on, let it work for 10 minutes or so, then used a wire brush to easily take off the paint, followed by a wipe down with rags. Worked great.

On Aug 2, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Rogan Creswick <creswick@...> wrote:

I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to strip the paint off a ~1940s south end with citristrip, and it does not appear to work well on lead-based paint. 

Quinn (blondihacks) has a video that supports this, too.  If you have lead based paint, you'll want to use something else.

It does very slightly soften the outer layers, but not enough to make much of a difference.  It took something like 6 applications, and lots of scraping.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 12:06 PM eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
If you were in the UK I would not hestitate to recomend the miracle juice known as "Elbow Grease".  (Yes, honest.  If you don't believe me, Google it and you will find it even has a Safety Data Sheet.) 

When a coach has been imediately next to my steam loco, with the chimney next to it, it is covered in stuff that paraffin (BS2869 class C1 -oil for burning in lamps and flueless room heaters, probably known as kerosene in the USA, although we reserve that word for class C2, 28 second gas oil for central heating burners) won't shift.

(Apologies for rambling.)  Spray Elbow Grease on and watch the muck run off even without agitation.  I have also used it on the ceiling of a greasy spoon cafe kitchen refurb and it even shifts that with a couple of wipes, ready for paint.

(No commercial interest in Elbow Grease, just a worshipper.)

Eddie

On Sunday, 2 August 2020, 19:45:49 BST, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:


Just for cleaning off grease, walmart purple power works well

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of glenn brooks <brooks.glenn@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 2:36:19 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] how do I clean and polish a lathe bed
 
I use Safeway “Spray and Wash” in green squirt bottles. These new household ecological friendly formulations are the best ever for removing dried machine oils.  Spray it on, let soak for a few minutes. Scrub, scrape off. Repeat a couple of times if necessary.  It’s very mild on exposed skin and doesn’t strip the finish.

So, No need to strip the original paint in order to just clean it up. 

I cleaned up and repainted an old 18” x8’ Cincinnati tray top lathe in Hawaii last year that ran in the Doyle Pineapple cannery in Honolulu for 60 years, using a variety of solvents. Turned out thenSpray and Wash treatment was the best to cut through the accumulation of 60 years accumulation of oil, swarf and dirt. 

Glenn 


On Aug 2, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:

I have had decent results with the safe stripper from home depot. It cleaned some old south bend parts to the metal with only 2 applications. Left it overnight, wrapped tightly in a garbage bag so it did not dry out. Overkill? Dunno.

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Jim_B <jim@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 2:20:01 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] how do I clean and polish a lathe bed
 
I do not recommend any sanding. 
These machines were painted with lead based paint. It could be very dangerous. You would need good respirators. 
Chemical or (my preference) electrolytic stripping is better. 
It’s hard to get old style strippers and some find the new “SAFE” strippers leave a lot to be desired. 
For large parts try oven cleaner as a stripper. Wear face mask and gloves. Also very good ventilation. 

Smaller sections use electrolytic stripping. Much safer. Google it. 
It uses washing soda. 
It removes rust oil grease and paint. 
Have a can of primer ready. The parts tend to rust instantly after cleaning. 


-8
Jim B,

On Aug 2, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Dora Tamilta via groups.io <doratamilta@...> wrote:

Hi Matt
Got the Hendey off the trailer and into the garage, and have started to clean it up. Lets just say that it has a "fine patina" of old oil/grease, chips, and dirt on it. Seems to run ok, but not the cleanest thing around! Which brings me to my question; Whats the best way to clean up a dirty lathe?

Guessing a pressure washer would not be a good idea... I started off with some mineral spirits and an old brush. Was gonna use a rag, but all those chips make that seem like a bad idea on the hands. My "plan" is to do a couple mineral spirit wipedowns, then use a degreaser on the painted surfaces, sand and repaint as needed to get a decent finish - not gonna be a show piece, but I want it to look good and protect the metal...

As for the machined surfaces, was going to use scotchbrite to clean them up, then add a light coat of oil to protect them.

Once its clean, I'll flush and refill all the fluids, replace felts, etc.
Dora

--
Jim B




Re: how do I clean and polish a lathe bed

Bruce
 



One thing to know with easy off is it will put aluminum if left on it very long. Not such a big deal on your South end but if you use this technique on another project just keep it in mind.



Re: how do I clean and polish a lathe bed

Dora Tamilta
 

Hi Jim
Thanks for posting Dennis Turk's procedure for cleaning. It's full of information.
Dora


Re: how do I clean and polish a lathe bed

Andrei
 

Great tip, Richard. 

I will keep Easy Off in mind. I had some pieces where the paint was super stubborn to remove. 

Thanks,
Andrei


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Richard Wanke <r.wanke@...>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 8:32 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] how do I clean and polish a lathe bed
 
I used Easy Off oven cleaner on my old South Bend. Sprayed it on, let it work for 10 minutes or so, then used a wire brush to easily take off the paint, followed by a wipe down with rags. Worked great.

On Aug 2, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Rogan Creswick <creswick@...> wrote:

I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to strip the paint off a ~1940s south end with citristrip, and it does not appear to work well on lead-based paint. 

Quinn (blondihacks) has a video that supports this, too.  If you have lead based paint, you'll want to use something else.

It does very slightly soften the outer layers, but not enough to make much of a difference.  It took something like 6 applications, and lots of scraping.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 12:06 PM eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
If you were in the UK I would not hestitate to recomend the miracle juice known as "Elbow Grease".  (Yes, honest.  If you don't believe me, Google it and you will find it even has a Safety Data Sheet.) 

When a coach has been imediately next to my steam loco, with the chimney next to it, it is covered in stuff that paraffin (BS2869 class C1 -oil for burning in lamps and flueless room heaters, probably known as kerosene in the USA, although we reserve that word for class C2, 28 second gas oil for central heating burners) won't shift.

(Apologies for rambling.)  Spray Elbow Grease on and watch the muck run off even without agitation.  I have also used it on the ceiling of a greasy spoon cafe kitchen refurb and it even shifts that with a couple of wipes, ready for paint.

(No commercial interest in Elbow Grease, just a worshipper.)

Eddie

On Sunday, 2 August 2020, 19:45:49 BST, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:


Just for cleaning off grease, walmart purple power works well

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of glenn brooks <brooks.glenn@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 2:36:19 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] how do I clean and polish a lathe bed
 
I use Safeway “Spray and Wash” in green squirt bottles. These new household ecological friendly formulations are the best ever for removing dried machine oils.  Spray it on, let soak for a few minutes. Scrub, scrape off. Repeat a couple of times if necessary.  It’s very mild on exposed skin and doesn’t strip the finish.

So, No need to strip the original paint in order to just clean it up. 

I cleaned up and repainted an old 18” x8’ Cincinnati tray top lathe in Hawaii last year that ran in the Doyle Pineapple cannery in Honolulu for 60 years, using a variety of solvents. Turned out thenSpray and Wash treatment was the best to cut through the accumulation of 60 years accumulation of oil, swarf and dirt. 

Glenn 


On Aug 2, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:

I have had decent results with the safe stripper from home depot. It cleaned some old south bend parts to the metal with only 2 applications. Left it overnight, wrapped tightly in a garbage bag so it did not dry out. Overkill? Dunno.

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Jim_B <jim@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 2:20:01 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] how do I clean and polish a lathe bed
 
I do not recommend any sanding. 
These machines were painted with lead based paint. It could be very dangerous. You would need good respirators. 
Chemical or (my preference) electrolytic stripping is better. 
It’s hard to get old style strippers and some find the new “SAFE” strippers leave a lot to be desired. 
For large parts try oven cleaner as a stripper. Wear face mask and gloves. Also very good ventilation. 

Smaller sections use electrolytic stripping. Much safer. Google it. 
It uses washing soda. 
It removes rust oil grease and paint. 
Have a can of primer ready. The parts tend to rust instantly after cleaning. 


-8
Jim B,

On Aug 2, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Dora Tamilta via groups.io <doratamilta@...> wrote:

Hi Matt
Got the Hendey off the trailer and into the garage, and have started to clean it up. Lets just say that it has a "fine patina" of old oil/grease, chips, and dirt on it. Seems to run ok, but not the cleanest thing around! Which brings me to my question; Whats the best way to clean up a dirty lathe?

Guessing a pressure washer would not be a good idea... I started off with some mineral spirits and an old brush. Was gonna use a rag, but all those chips make that seem like a bad idea on the hands. My "plan" is to do a couple mineral spirit wipedowns, then use a degreaser on the painted surfaces, sand and repaint as needed to get a decent finish - not gonna be a show piece, but I want it to look good and protect the metal...

As for the machined surfaces, was going to use scotchbrite to clean them up, then add a light coat of oil to protect them.

Once its clean, I'll flush and refill all the fluids, replace felts, etc.
Dora

--
Jim B




Re: how do I clean and polish a lathe bed

Richard Wanke
 

I used Easy Off oven cleaner on my old South Bend. Sprayed it on, let it work for 10 minutes or so, then used a wire brush to easily take off the paint, followed by a wipe down with rags. Worked great.

On Aug 2, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Rogan Creswick <creswick@...> wrote:

I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to strip the paint off a ~1940s south end with citristrip, and it does not appear to work well on lead-based paint. 

Quinn (blondihacks) has a video that supports this, too.  If you have lead based paint, you'll want to use something else.

It does very slightly soften the outer layers, but not enough to make much of a difference.  It took something like 6 applications, and lots of scraping.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 12:06 PM eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
If you were in the UK I would not hestitate to recomend the miracle juice known as "Elbow Grease".  (Yes, honest.  If you don't believe me, Google it and you will find it even has a Safety Data Sheet.) 

When a coach has been imediately next to my steam loco, with the chimney next to it, it is covered in stuff that paraffin (BS2869 class C1 -oil for burning in lamps and flueless room heaters, probably known as kerosene in the USA, although we reserve that word for class C2, 28 second gas oil for central heating burners) won't shift.

(Apologies for rambling.)  Spray Elbow Grease on and watch the muck run off even without agitation.  I have also used it on the ceiling of a greasy spoon cafe kitchen refurb and it even shifts that with a couple of wipes, ready for paint.

(No commercial interest in Elbow Grease, just a worshipper.)

Eddie

On Sunday, 2 August 2020, 19:45:49 BST, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:


Just for cleaning off grease, walmart purple power works well

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of glenn brooks <brooks.glenn@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 2:36:19 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] how do I clean and polish a lathe bed
 
I use Safeway “Spray and Wash” in green squirt bottles. These new household ecological friendly formulations are the best ever for removing dried machine oils.  Spray it on, let soak for a few minutes. Scrub, scrape off. Repeat a couple of times if necessary.  It’s very mild on exposed skin and doesn’t strip the finish.

So, No need to strip the original paint in order to just clean it up. 

I cleaned up and repainted an old 18” x8’ Cincinnati tray top lathe in Hawaii last year that ran in the Doyle Pineapple cannery in Honolulu for 60 years, using a variety of solvents. Turned out thenSpray and Wash treatment was the best to cut through the accumulation of 60 years accumulation of oil, swarf and dirt. 

Glenn 


On Aug 2, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:

I have had decent results with the safe stripper from home depot. It cleaned some old south bend parts to the metal with only 2 applications. Left it overnight, wrapped tightly in a garbage bag so it did not dry out. Overkill? Dunno.

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Jim_B <jim@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 2:20:01 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] how do I clean and polish a lathe bed
 
I do not recommend any sanding. 
These machines were painted with lead based paint. It could be very dangerous. You would need good respirators. 
Chemical or (my preference) electrolytic stripping is better. 
It’s hard to get old style strippers and some find the new “SAFE” strippers leave a lot to be desired. 
For large parts try oven cleaner as a stripper. Wear face mask and gloves. Also very good ventilation. 

Smaller sections use electrolytic stripping. Much safer. Google it. 
It uses washing soda. 
It removes rust oil grease and paint. 
Have a can of primer ready. The parts tend to rust instantly after cleaning. 


-8
Jim B,

On Aug 2, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Dora Tamilta via groups.io <doratamilta@...> wrote:

Hi Matt
Got the Hendey off the trailer and into the garage, and have started to clean it up. Lets just say that it has a "fine patina" of old oil/grease, chips, and dirt on it. Seems to run ok, but not the cleanest thing around! Which brings me to my question; Whats the best way to clean up a dirty lathe?

Guessing a pressure washer would not be a good idea... I started off with some mineral spirits and an old brush. Was gonna use a rag, but all those chips make that seem like a bad idea on the hands. My "plan" is to do a couple mineral spirit wipedowns, then use a degreaser on the painted surfaces, sand and repaint as needed to get a decent finish - not gonna be a show piece, but I want it to look good and protect the metal...

As for the machined surfaces, was going to use scotchbrite to clean them up, then add a light coat of oil to protect them.

Once its clean, I'll flush and refill all the fluids, replace felts, etc.
Dora

--
Jim B




Re: how do I clean and polish a lathe bed

b roberts
 

I have found that a degeaser, such as 'Jizer' or its equivalent, which is washed off with water can be very effective, once you have removed the heavier greasy deposits.
It is marketed in the UK and Europe, but there bound to be equally good equivalents worldwide.
After sanding or etching and before applying any paint, a wipe over with standard cellulose thinners, or isopropyl alcohol, ensures that there are no contaminants to spoil the paint finish.

Good luck with the project.

Brian


Re: how do I clean and polish a lathe bed

mike allen
 

        try soaking a part in the degreaser from Dollar Tree  , it has worked great for me for years . ya may have to let it soak for some time on stubborn parts . it's safe stuff to use too

        animal

On 8/2/2020 6:26 PM, Rogan Creswick wrote:
I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to strip the paint off a ~1940s south end with citristrip, and it does not appear to work well on lead-based paint. 

Quinn (blondihacks) has a video that supports this, too.  If you have lead based paint, you'll want to use something else.

It does very slightly soften the outer layers, but not enough to make much of a difference.  It took something like 6 applications, and lots of scraping.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 12:06 PM eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
If you were in the UK I would not hestitate to recomend the miracle juice known as "Elbow Grease".  (Yes, honest.  If you don't believe me, Google it and you will find it even has a Safety Data Sheet.) 

When a coach has been imediately next to my steam loco, with the chimney next to it, it is covered in stuff that paraffin (BS2869 class C1 -oil for burning in lamps and flueless room heaters, probably known as kerosene in the USA, although we reserve that word for class C2, 28 second gas oil for central heating burners) won't shift.

(Apologies for rambling.)  Spray Elbow Grease on and watch the muck run off even without agitation.  I have also used it on the ceiling of a greasy spoon cafe kitchen refurb and it even shifts that with a couple of wipes, ready for paint.

(No commercial interest in Elbow Grease, just a worshipper.)

Eddie

On Sunday, 2 August 2020, 19:45:49 BST, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:


Just for cleaning off grease, walmart purple power works well

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of glenn brooks <brooks.glenn@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 2:36:19 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] how do I clean and polish a lathe bed
 
I use Safeway “Spray and Wash” in green squirt bottles. These new household ecological friendly formulations are the best ever for removing dried machine oils.  Spray it on, let soak for a few minutes. Scrub, scrape off. Repeat a couple of times if necessary.  It’s very mild on exposed skin and doesn’t strip the finish.

So, No need to strip the original paint in order to just clean it up. 

I cleaned up and repainted an old 18” x8’ Cincinnati tray top lathe in Hawaii last year that ran in the Doyle Pineapple cannery in Honolulu for 60 years, using a variety of solvents. Turned out thenSpray and Wash treatment was the best to cut through the accumulation of 60 years accumulation of oil, swarf and dirt. 

Glenn 


On Aug 2, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:

I have had decent results with the safe stripper from home depot. It cleaned some old south bend parts to the metal with only 2 applications. Left it overnight, wrapped tightly in a garbage bag so it did not dry out. Overkill? Dunno.

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Jim_B <jim@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 2:20:01 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] how do I clean and polish a lathe bed
 
I do not recommend any sanding. 
These machines were painted with lead based paint. It could be very dangerous. You would need good respirators. 
Chemical or (my preference) electrolytic stripping is better. 
It’s hard to get old style strippers and some find the new “SAFE” strippers leave a lot to be desired. 
For large parts try oven cleaner as a stripper. Wear face mask and gloves. Also very good ventilation. 

Smaller sections use electrolytic stripping. Much safer. Google it. 
It uses washing soda. 
It removes rust oil grease and paint. 
Have a can of primer ready. The parts tend to rust instantly after cleaning. 


-8
Jim B,

On Aug 2, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Dora Tamilta via groups.io <doratamilta@...> wrote:

Hi Matt
Got the Hendey off the trailer and into the garage, and have started to clean it up. Lets just say that it has a "fine patina" of old oil/grease, chips, and dirt on it. Seems to run ok, but not the cleanest thing around! Which brings me to my question; Whats the best way to clean up a dirty lathe?

Guessing a pressure washer would not be a good idea... I started off with some mineral spirits and an old brush. Was gonna use a rag, but all those chips make that seem like a bad idea on the hands. My "plan" is to do a couple mineral spirit wipedowns, then use a degreaser on the painted surfaces, sand and repaint as needed to get a decent finish - not gonna be a show piece, but I want it to look good and protect the metal...

As for the machined surfaces, was going to use scotchbrite to clean them up, then add a light coat of oil to protect them.

Once its clean, I'll flush and refill all the fluids, replace felts, etc.
Dora

--
Jim B


Re: how do I clean and polish a lathe bed

Rogan Creswick
 

I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to strip the paint off a ~1940s south end with citristrip, and it does not appear to work well on lead-based paint. 

Quinn (blondihacks) has a video that supports this, too.  If you have lead based paint, you'll want to use something else.

It does very slightly soften the outer layers, but not enough to make much of a difference.  It took something like 6 applications, and lots of scraping.

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 12:06 PM eddie.draper@... via groups.io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
If you were in the UK I would not hestitate to recomend the miracle juice known as "Elbow Grease".  (Yes, honest.  If you don't believe me, Google it and you will find it even has a Safety Data Sheet.) 

When a coach has been imediately next to my steam loco, with the chimney next to it, it is covered in stuff that paraffin (BS2869 class C1 -oil for burning in lamps and flueless room heaters, probably known as kerosene in the USA, although we reserve that word for class C2, 28 second gas oil for central heating burners) won't shift.

(Apologies for rambling.)  Spray Elbow Grease on and watch the muck run off even without agitation.  I have also used it on the ceiling of a greasy spoon cafe kitchen refurb and it even shifts that with a couple of wipes, ready for paint.

(No commercial interest in Elbow Grease, just a worshipper.)

Eddie

On Sunday, 2 August 2020, 19:45:49 BST, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:


Just for cleaning off grease, walmart purple power works well

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of glenn brooks <brooks.glenn@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 2:36:19 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] how do I clean and polish a lathe bed
 
I use Safeway “Spray and Wash” in green squirt bottles. These new household ecological friendly formulations are the best ever for removing dried machine oils.  Spray it on, let soak for a few minutes. Scrub, scrape off. Repeat a couple of times if necessary.  It’s very mild on exposed skin and doesn’t strip the finish.

So, No need to strip the original paint in order to just clean it up. 

I cleaned up and repainted an old 18” x8’ Cincinnati tray top lathe in Hawaii last year that ran in the Doyle Pineapple cannery in Honolulu for 60 years, using a variety of solvents. Turned out thenSpray and Wash treatment was the best to cut through the accumulation of 60 years accumulation of oil, swarf and dirt. 

Glenn 


On Aug 2, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:

I have had decent results with the safe stripper from home depot. It cleaned some old south bend parts to the metal with only 2 applications. Left it overnight, wrapped tightly in a garbage bag so it did not dry out. Overkill? Dunno.

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Jim_B <jim@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 2:20:01 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] how do I clean and polish a lathe bed
 
I do not recommend any sanding. 
These machines were painted with lead based paint. It could be very dangerous. You would need good respirators. 
Chemical or (my preference) electrolytic stripping is better. 
It’s hard to get old style strippers and some find the new “SAFE” strippers leave a lot to be desired. 
For large parts try oven cleaner as a stripper. Wear face mask and gloves. Also very good ventilation. 

Smaller sections use electrolytic stripping. Much safer. Google it. 
It uses washing soda. 
It removes rust oil grease and paint. 
Have a can of primer ready. The parts tend to rust instantly after cleaning. 


-8
Jim B,

On Aug 2, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Dora Tamilta via groups.io <doratamilta@...> wrote:

Hi Matt
Got the Hendey off the trailer and into the garage, and have started to clean it up. Lets just say that it has a "fine patina" of old oil/grease, chips, and dirt on it. Seems to run ok, but not the cleanest thing around! Which brings me to my question; Whats the best way to clean up a dirty lathe?

Guessing a pressure washer would not be a good idea... I started off with some mineral spirits and an old brush. Was gonna use a rag, but all those chips make that seem like a bad idea on the hands. My "plan" is to do a couple mineral spirit wipedowns, then use a degreaser on the painted surfaces, sand and repaint as needed to get a decent finish - not gonna be a show piece, but I want it to look good and protect the metal...

As for the machined surfaces, was going to use scotchbrite to clean them up, then add a light coat of oil to protect them.

Once its clean, I'll flush and refill all the fluids, replace felts, etc.
Dora

--
Jim B


Re: how do I clean and polish a lathe bed

eddie.draper@btinternet.com
 

If you were in the UK I would not hestitate to recomend the miracle juice known as "Elbow Grease".  (Yes, honest.  If you don't believe me, Google it and you will find it even has a Safety Data Sheet.) 

When a coach has been imediately next to my steam loco, with the chimney next to it, it is covered in stuff that paraffin (BS2869 class C1 -oil for burning in lamps and flueless room heaters, probably known as kerosene in the USA, although we reserve that word for class C2, 28 second gas oil for central heating burners) won't shift.

(Apologies for rambling.)  Spray Elbow Grease on and watch the muck run off even without agitation.  I have also used it on the ceiling of a greasy spoon cafe kitchen refurb and it even shifts that with a couple of wipes, ready for paint.

(No commercial interest in Elbow Grease, just a worshipper.)

Eddie

On Sunday, 2 August 2020, 19:45:49 BST, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:


Just for cleaning off grease, walmart purple power works well

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of glenn brooks <brooks.glenn@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 2:36:19 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] how do I clean and polish a lathe bed
 
I use Safeway “Spray and Wash” in green squirt bottles. These new household ecological friendly formulations are the best ever for removing dried machine oils.  Spray it on, let soak for a few minutes. Scrub, scrape off. Repeat a couple of times if necessary.  It’s very mild on exposed skin and doesn’t strip the finish.

So, No need to strip the original paint in order to just clean it up. 

I cleaned up and repainted an old 18” x8’ Cincinnati tray top lathe in Hawaii last year that ran in the Doyle Pineapple cannery in Honolulu for 60 years, using a variety of solvents. Turned out thenSpray and Wash treatment was the best to cut through the accumulation of 60 years accumulation of oil, swarf and dirt. 

Glenn 


On Aug 2, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:

I have had decent results with the safe stripper from home depot. It cleaned some old south bend parts to the metal with only 2 applications. Left it overnight, wrapped tightly in a garbage bag so it did not dry out. Overkill? Dunno.

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Jim_B <jim@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 2:20:01 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] how do I clean and polish a lathe bed
 
I do not recommend any sanding. 
These machines were painted with lead based paint. It could be very dangerous. You would need good respirators. 
Chemical or (my preference) electrolytic stripping is better. 
It’s hard to get old style strippers and some find the new “SAFE” strippers leave a lot to be desired. 
For large parts try oven cleaner as a stripper. Wear face mask and gloves. Also very good ventilation. 

Smaller sections use electrolytic stripping. Much safer. Google it. 
It uses washing soda. 
It removes rust oil grease and paint. 
Have a can of primer ready. The parts tend to rust instantly after cleaning. 


-8
Jim B,

On Aug 2, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Dora Tamilta via groups.io <doratamilta@...> wrote:

Hi Matt
Got the Hendey off the trailer and into the garage, and have started to clean it up. Lets just say that it has a "fine patina" of old oil/grease, chips, and dirt on it. Seems to run ok, but not the cleanest thing around! Which brings me to my question; Whats the best way to clean up a dirty lathe?

Guessing a pressure washer would not be a good idea... I started off with some mineral spirits and an old brush. Was gonna use a rag, but all those chips make that seem like a bad idea on the hands. My "plan" is to do a couple mineral spirit wipedowns, then use a degreaser on the painted surfaces, sand and repaint as needed to get a decent finish - not gonna be a show piece, but I want it to look good and protect the metal...

As for the machined surfaces, was going to use scotchbrite to clean them up, then add a light coat of oil to protect them.

Once its clean, I'll flush and refill all the fluids, replace felts, etc.
Dora

--
Jim B


Re: how do I clean and polish a lathe bed

Andrei
 

Just for cleaning off grease, walmart purple power works well

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of glenn brooks <brooks.glenn@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 2:36:19 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] how do I clean and polish a lathe bed
 
I use Safeway “Spray and Wash” in green squirt bottles. These new household ecological friendly formulations are the best ever for removing dried machine oils.  Spray it on, let soak for a few minutes. Scrub, scrape off. Repeat a couple of times if necessary.  It’s very mild on exposed skin and doesn’t strip the finish.

So, No need to strip the original paint in order to just clean it up. 

I cleaned up and repainted an old 18” x8’ Cincinnati tray top lathe in Hawaii last year that ran in the Doyle Pineapple cannery in Honolulu for 60 years, using a variety of solvents. Turned out thenSpray and Wash treatment was the best to cut through the accumulation of 60 years accumulation of oil, swarf and dirt. 

Glenn 


On Aug 2, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:

I have had decent results with the safe stripper from home depot. It cleaned some old south bend parts to the metal with only 2 applications. Left it overnight, wrapped tightly in a garbage bag so it did not dry out. Overkill? Dunno.

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Jim_B <jim@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2020 2:20:01 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] how do I clean and polish a lathe bed
 
I do not recommend any sanding. 
These machines were painted with lead based paint. It could be very dangerous. You would need good respirators. 
Chemical or (my preference) electrolytic stripping is better. 
It’s hard to get old style strippers and some find the new “SAFE” strippers leave a lot to be desired. 
For large parts try oven cleaner as a stripper. Wear face mask and gloves. Also very good ventilation. 

Smaller sections use electrolytic stripping. Much safer. Google it. 
It uses washing soda. 
It removes rust oil grease and paint. 
Have a can of primer ready. The parts tend to rust instantly after cleaning. 


-8
Jim B,

On Aug 2, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Dora Tamilta via groups.io <doratamilta@...> wrote:

Hi Matt
Got the Hendey off the trailer and into the garage, and have started to clean it up. Lets just say that it has a "fine patina" of old oil/grease, chips, and dirt on it. Seems to run ok, but not the cleanest thing around! Which brings me to my question; Whats the best way to clean up a dirty lathe?

Guessing a pressure washer would not be a good idea... I started off with some mineral spirits and an old brush. Was gonna use a rag, but all those chips make that seem like a bad idea on the hands. My "plan" is to do a couple mineral spirit wipedowns, then use a degreaser on the painted surfaces, sand and repaint as needed to get a decent finish - not gonna be a show piece, but I want it to look good and protect the metal...

As for the machined surfaces, was going to use scotchbrite to clean them up, then add a light coat of oil to protect them.

Once its clean, I'll flush and refill all the fluids, replace felts, etc.
Dora

--
Jim B

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