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Re: How to

carbure2003
 

Which lathe model do you have?


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From: "Fred Flintstone via Groups.Io" <stoeger666@...>
To: southbendlathe@groups.io
Subject: [SouthBendLathe] How to
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 14:35:40 +0000 (UTC)

Hello all,
 
I hope everyone is staying well,
 
I have never had to pull the motor from my lathe before, but now I need to change the bearings. I have the V belts off, and the adjustment screw out, but how do i pull the motor and plate with out smashing my hand and/or a motor cradle of some sort? I see the pivot rod, which looks like I just push out, but how do i support the weight etc. If this is somewhere in the archives I am not seeing it, so excuse my question here.
 
Thank you,
Mark


How to

Fred Flintstone
 

Hello all,

I hope everyone is staying well,

I have never had to pull the motor from my lathe before, but now I need to change the bearings. I have the V belts off, and the adjustment screw out, but how do i pull the motor and plate with out smashing my hand and/or a motor cradle of some sort? I see the pivot rod, which looks like I just push out, but how do i support the weight etc. If this is somewhere in the archives I am not seeing it, so excuse my question here.

Thank you,
Mark


Re: South Bend Recommended Lubricants

Mark Moulding
 
Edited

Hey, Steve!

Actually, I first saw your name on the HP2000 list!  I very much enjoyed your "Tale of Two Processors".
~~

Mark Moulding (KK6EQD)
South Bend 9" Model C, Walker Turner drill press, Rong Fu table-top mill, "Mini" lathe, a whole bunch of Shopsmith gear


Re: South Bend Recommended Lubricants

Steve Gemeny
 

Mark,
Interesting to see your name on this list...  I was expecting it to have been from a COSMAC list.

Nice to know there are others with such broad and diverse interests.

Be well,  
Steve Gemeny
 (AA3NM)

Sent by my fat thumbs drifting aimlessly  across tiny soft I Keys...

On Mar 30, 2020, at 5:37 AM, Mark Moulding <mark@...> wrote:

As Bill said, there are kits on eBay with pint and half-pint bottles. I just picked up a kit of four half-pints for $20 - for a hobbyist like me, that will be just fine.
~~

Mark Moulding
South Bend 9" Model C, Walker Turner drill press, Rong Fu table-top mill, "Mini" lathe, a whole bunch of Shopsmith stuff


Re: South Bend Recommended Lubricants

Mark Moulding
 

As Bill said, there are kits on eBay with pint and half-pint bottles. I just picked up a kit of four half-pints for $20 - for a hobbyist like me, that will be just fine.
~~

Mark Moulding
South Bend 9" Model C, Walker Turner drill press, Rong Fu table-top mill, "Mini" lathe, a whole bunch of Shopsmith stuff


Re: Will a 9-A leadscrew work for a 9-C to 9-B conversion (no quickchange)?

mike allen
 

        ya can probably use one from a longer lathe , just cut it & turn the end to fit in the support

        animal



On 3/29/2020 7:55 PM, Mark Moulding wrote:
My next question was going to be about how difficult it would be to cut that keyway.  I have a bench-top mill, and also the milling attachment for the South Bend (and I guess there'd be no problem running it without a lead screw for a while).

It seems to me that a huge amount of precision wouldn't be necessary, but it would be a whole new operation for me, and therefore a bit intimidating.  What would be the best way to hold the screw in a vise - rigidly, but without damage?  In fact, what would the whole procedure be?  (I got the "do it in sections" part.)  That screw is probably hardened, right?  So, carbide cutters? A milling saw if I can come up with one? Anyone know the dimensions of that keyway?

Or is this dicey enough that I should just wait until a 9B leadscrew surfaces on eBay?  (It's a 36" six-speed - the absolute cheapest model one could buy.  My dad bought it new...)

Thanks for the input - I really appreciate it!
~~

Mark Moulding
South Bend 9" Model C, Walker Turner drill press, Rong Fu table-top mill, "Mini" lathe, a whole bunch of Shopsmith gear


Re: Will a 9-A leadscrew work for a 9-C to 9-B conversion (no quickchange)?

Mark Moulding
 

My next question was going to be about how difficult it would be to cut that keyway.  I have a bench-top mill, and also the milling attachment for the South Bend (and I guess there'd be no problem running it without a lead screw for a while).

It seems to me that a huge amount of precision wouldn't be necessary, but it would be a whole new operation for me, and therefore a bit intimidating.  What would be the best way to hold the screw in a vise - rigidly, but without damage?  In fact, what would the whole procedure be?  (I got the "do it in sections" part.)  That screw is probably hardened, right?  So, carbide cutters? A milling saw if I can come up with one? Anyone know the dimensions of that keyway?

Or is this dicey enough that I should just wait until a 9B leadscrew surfaces on eBay?  (It's a 36" six-speed - the absolute cheapest model one could buy.  My dad bought it new...)

Thanks for the input - I really appreciate it!
~~

Mark Moulding
South Bend 9" Model C, Walker Turner drill press, Rong Fu table-top mill, "Mini" lathe, a whole bunch of Shopsmith gear


Re: Will a 9-A leadscrew work for a 9-C to 9-B conversion (no quickchange)?

william twombley
 

Bed length. Is also a determining factor.

I converted a 54” C to a B but. Snared a perfect 42” bed in the process.

I bought a Leadscrew for a 42 inch B. I can measure that if you have a 42! That powered apron is so nice. I haven’t even put the Half nuts back in! Small mod to the C type saddle to clear the crossfeed. splines. I added 200 div, ‘ direct reading” dials along the way too.

Several styles of cross feed screws for 9As and Bs/ 10k . Makes a nice machine!

I gotta take the headstock and Horiz drive apart, 1 “Moe” time for a poly V ribbed belt. Yep, Hanging from the overhead lite the last 5 yrs. That apron clutch is great! Check your xfeed Screw to drivegear engagement. For. “ cogging, or over-depthing mesh. 7 thou shim ‘tween apron and saddle was just the trick!

Mine was Fine, lightly tightend, but cogged at full torque!

If you don’t “Gorilla grip” the star wheel,; The apron clutch kicks right out, if you bang against a “stop”!

It has a 1941 S.N. BUT, more like that Caddy that Johnny cash sang about!

Being able to read the dials without a telescope is nice!

Mike


Re: Will a 9-A leadscrew work for a 9-C to 9-B conversion (no quickchange)?

Jim_B
 

George is correct. 
The feed end of the 9A screw is different than the 9B and 9C. 
A 9B would be Ideal. 
You could use your existing 9C screw if you could cut a slot in it with your mill. 
You would need to do it in steps. 

-8
Jim B,

On Mar 29, 2020, at 9:31 PM, Mark Moulding <mark@...> wrote:

(My first post here - be kind!)

I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death, but I'm still a bit fuzzy on one point.  I'm attempting up upgrade my SB 9" model 'C' to a 'B'.  The lathe is in very good shape - a bit dirt from disuse, but no real rust, and very low hours.  I've purchased on eBay a "model A or B" apron, and a "9 or 10K crossfeed screw" (with the gear that my 9C screw lacks).  So I think the only thing I also need is a new leadscrew.  Will a 9A (quick-change gearbox) leadscrew work, or do I need a 9B?

Thanks!
~~

Mark Moulding
South Bend 9" Model C, Walker Turner drill press, Rong Fu table-top mill, "Mini" lathe, a whole bunch of Shopsmith gear


--
Jim B


Re: Will a 9-A leadscrew work for a 9-C to 9-B conversion (no quickchange)?

George Meinschein
 

Mark,
The 9A leadscrew is a different animal.  The 9B is the same as a 9C except for the keyway slot on the 9B. I think that's all correct, but I'll gladly defer to someone more knowledgeable. 

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

   

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 9:31 PM Mark Moulding <mark@...> wrote:
(My first post here - be kind!)

I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death, but I'm still a bit fuzzy on one point.  I'm attempting up upgrade my SB 9" model 'C' to a 'B'.  The lathe is in very good shape - a bit dirt from disuse, but no real rust, and very low hours.  I've purchased on eBay a "model A or B" apron, and a "9 or 10K crossfeed screw" (with the gear that my 9C screw lacks).  So I think the only thing I also need is a new leadscrew.  Will a 9A (quick-change gearbox) leadscrew work, or do I need a 9B?

Thanks!
~~

Mark Moulding
South Bend 9" Model C, Walker Turner drill press, Rong Fu table-top mill, "Mini" lathe, a whole bunch of Shopsmith gear


Will a 9-A leadscrew work for a 9-C to 9-B conversion (no quickchange)?

Mark Moulding
 

(My first post here - be kind!)

I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death, but I'm still a bit fuzzy on one point.  I'm attempting up upgrade my SB 9" model 'C' to a 'B'.  The lathe is in very good shape - a bit dirt from disuse, but no real rust, and very low hours.  I've purchased on eBay a "model A or B" apron, and a "9 or 10K crossfeed screw" (with the gear that my 9C screw lacks).  So I think the only thing I also need is a new leadscrew.  Will a 9A (quick-change gearbox) leadscrew work, or do I need a 9B?

Thanks!
~~

Mark Moulding
South Bend 9" Model C, Walker Turner drill press, Rong Fu table-top mill, "Mini" lathe, a whole bunch of Shopsmith gear


Re: Weekend tractor restore project

nzpropnut
 

A little correction - the switch isolates the ignition & the starter circuit.
Cheers,
TonyS



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: ww_big_al <arknack@...>
Date: 30/03/20 03:36 (GMT+12:00)
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

Yes. It was a good little history lesson. It’s nice to know why something was installed which is in common use today

Al

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:34 AM
To: southbendlathe@groups.io; SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

Ahha!  Nothing to do with a big hammer coming out from under the dashboard, then!

 

Dangerous business, farming.

 

Thanks,

 

Eddie

 

On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 15:26:03 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:

 

 

To start an MF35 tractor one has to put the Hi-Lo ratio lever into the neutral position. This then closes a safety switch, allowing the starter solenoid to be energized from the ignition switch.

At a big vehicle show, Henry Ford was showing the public how easy it was to start a Massey-Harris-Ferguson tractor with the crank handle. Unfortunately, he had left the tractor in gear. The engine started immediately and he couldn't get out of the way quick enough, and a wheel went over his foot and broke it. Hence the fitment of the safety switch, 'to make the machine safer'.

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

 

-------- Original message --------

Date: 30/03/20 01:56 (GMT+12:00)

Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

Gissaclue!  Nor familiar with the Furguson range of tractors - what does the high low ratio lever have to do with engine starting and how do you use it to break your foot in a manner that an interlock prevents, please?

 

During the build period for these, British purchase tax was very high.  Cars were luxury goods, tractors weren't, so tractor spares were cheaper than car spares.  Lots of farmers ran standard Vanguard cars as well as Fergies for parts commonality.

 

Eddie

 

On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 13:00:42 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Phillip,

 

That machine had a 2.2 litre British Standard Vanguard engine in it - petrol powered.

First owner was a Taranaki (NZ) dairy farmer - I was the 2nd owner.

With the front loader & the mowers I earnt plenty of beers with it!

 

Also found out the hi-lo ratio lever starting interlock was installed by order of Henry Ford after he broke his foot starting a Massey-Harris-Ferguson at a show!

Useless Information.

 

Cheers,

Tony

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of mike allen
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 6:04 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

        don't know where ya tractor guy's are , there's a place on Stockton Ca  called Associated Tractor   https://www.associatedtractor.net/

        I've been using these folks for 30+ years

        animal

On 3/28/2020 9:14 AM, ww_big_al wrote:

Looks like its time to hit the junk yards. Had to do that for a Farmall. I just swapped to whole back half out.

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phillip Rankin
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:34 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

Tony;
That is a great looking Super de Lux. Was it a gas burner or diesel?

I hope to have mine looking that good by next spring. It has been sitting untouched in the garage for ten years. I was shooting for this summer until I hit a snag. When I drained the gear box I got about 4 gallons of water, and maybe a gallon of oil. Surprisingly all the bearings and gears in the transmission section are good, but from the hydraulic pump back will have to be replaced along with the ring and pinion gears. Pinion gear is destroyed. The hydraulic pump will have to be rebuilt as well.

Phillip


Re: Weekend tractor restore project

Phillip Rankin
 

My first love.  My 1942 John Deere Model H. Serial number 43378. I have it, but have yet to completely finished the restore mainly because it gets used frequently. I took these pics 10 years ago. My son was five.


Re: Weekend tractor restore project

dave
 

My 39 hp John Deere from 2004 has both those features. The seat switch is problematic when it gets below zero. My butt has to warm it up before it works properly. With all the winter gear I wear when it's that cold, it can take a while...

Dave

On 3/29/20 10:56 AM, Andrei wrote:
Mine's a 30Hp, 3000 pound tractor and does not have any of these features. And it was new in 2013 or 2014 when i bought it.
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*From:* SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Guenther Paul <paulguenter@att.net>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:49 AM
*To:* SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project
Any tractor needs a transmition safety switch so the tractor don't start when in gear. I had a neighbor get killed because he hot wired the transmition safety switch. On the small tractors the switch is in the seat
GP
On Sunday, March 29, 2020, 10:40:45 AM EDT, Andrei <calciu1@hotmail.com> wrote:
I left the tractor in gear once and started it. It ran into my pickup truck which had the passenger door open and pushed it flat against the front fender. Bought a new truck a few months later.
Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.
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*From:* SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of eddie.draper@btinternet.com via Groups.Io <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:34:12 AM
*To:* southbendlathe@groups.io <southbendlathe@groups.io>; SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project
Ahha!  Nothing to do with a big hammer coming out from under the dashboard, then!
Dangerous business, farming.
Thanks,
Eddie
On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 15:26:03 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
To start an MF35 tractor one has to put the Hi-Lo ratio lever into the neutral position. This then closes a safety switch, allowing the starter solenoid to be energized from the ignition switch.
At a big vehicle show, Henry Ford was showing the public how easy it was to start a Massey-Harris-Ferguson tractor with the crank handle. Unfortunately, he had left the tractor in gear. The engine started immediately and he couldn't get out of the way quick enough, and a wheel went over his foot and broke it. Hence the fitment of the safety switch, 'to make the machine safer'.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------
From: "eddie.draper@btinternet.com via Groups.Io" <eddie.draper=btinternet.com@groups.io>
Date: 30/03/20 01:56 (GMT+12:00)
To: southbendlathe@groups.io, SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project
Gissaclue!  Nor familiar with the Furguson range of tractors - what does the high low ratio lever have to do with engine starting and how do you use it to break your foot in a manner that an interlock prevents, please?
During the build period for these, British purchase tax was very high.
Cars were luxury goods, tractors weren't, so tractor spares were cheaper than car spares.  Lots of farmers ran standard Vanguard cars as well as Fergies for parts commonality.
Eddie
On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 13:00:42 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
Hi Phillip,
That machine had a 2.2 litre British Standard Vanguard engine in it - petrol powered.
First owner was a Taranaki (NZ) dairy farmer - I was the 2nd owner.
With the front loader & the mowers I earnt plenty of beers with it!
Also found out the hi-lo ratio lever starting interlock was installed by order of Henry Ford after he broke his foot starting a Massey-Harris-Ferguson at a show!
Useless Information.
Cheers,
Tony
*From:*SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io]*On Behalf Of *mike allen
*Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 6:04 AM
*To:* SouthBendLathe@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project
        don't know where ya tractor guy's are , there's a place on Stockton Ca  called Associated Tractor https://www.associatedtractor.net/
        I've been using these folks for 30+ years
        animal
On 3/28/2020 9:14 AM, ww_big_al wrote:
Looks like its time to hit the junk yards. Had to do that for a
Farmall. I just swapped to whole back half out.
*From:*SouthBendLathe@groups.io <mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
<SouthBendLathe@groups.io> <mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io> *On
Behalf Of *Phillip Rankin
*Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:34 AM
*To:* SouthBendLathe@groups.io <mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project
Tony;
That is a great looking Super de Lux. Was it a gas burner or diesel?
I hope to have mine looking that good by next spring. It has been
sitting untouched in the garage for ten years. I was shooting for
this summer until I hit a snag. When I drained the gear box I got
about 4 gallons of water, and maybe a gallon of oil. Surprisingly
all the bearings and gears in the transmission section are good, but
from the hydraulic pump back will have to be replaced along with the
ring and pinion gears. Pinion gear is destroyed. The hydraulic pump
will have to be rebuilt as well.
Phillip


Re: Weekend tractor restore project

Andrei
 

Mine's a 30Hp, 3000 pound tractor and does not have any of these features. And it was new in 2013 or 2014 when i bought it. 


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Guenther Paul <paulguenter@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:49 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project
 
Any tractor needs a transmition safety switch so the tractor don't start when in gear. I had a neighbor get killed because he hot wired the transmition safety switch. On the small tractors the switch is in the seat

GP

On Sunday, March 29, 2020, 10:40:45 AM EDT, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:


I left the tractor in gear once and started it. It ran into my pickup truck which had the passenger door open and pushed it flat against the front fender. Bought a new truck a few months later.

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io <eddie.draper@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:34:12 AM
To: southbendlathe@groups.io <southbendlathe@groups.io>; SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project
 
Ahha!  Nothing to do with a big hammer coming out from under the dashboard, then!

Dangerous business, farming.

Thanks,

Eddie

On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 15:26:03 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:


To start an MF35 tractor one has to put the Hi-Lo ratio lever into the neutral position. This then closes a safety switch, allowing the starter solenoid to be energized from the ignition switch.
At a big vehicle show, Henry Ford was showing the public how easy it was to start a Massey-Harris-Ferguson tractor with the crank handle. Unfortunately, he had left the tractor in gear. The engine started immediately and he couldn't get out of the way quick enough, and a wheel went over his foot and broke it. Hence the fitment of the safety switch, 'to make the machine safer'.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: "eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io" <eddie.draper@...>
Date: 30/03/20 01:56 (GMT+12:00)
To: southbendlathe@groups.io, SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

Gissaclue!  Nor familiar with the Furguson range of tractors - what does the high low ratio lever have to do with engine starting and how do you use it to break your foot in a manner that an interlock prevents, please?

During the build period for these, British purchase tax was very high.  Cars were luxury goods, tractors weren't, so tractor spares were cheaper than car spares.  Lots of farmers ran standard Vanguard cars as well as Fergies for parts commonality.

Eddie

On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 13:00:42 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:


Hi Phillip,

 

That machine had a 2.2 litre British Standard Vanguard engine in it - petrol powered.

First owner was a Taranaki (NZ) dairy farmer - I was the 2nd owner.

With the front loader & the mowers I earnt plenty of beers with it!

 

Also found out the hi-lo ratio lever starting interlock was installed by order of Henry Ford after he broke his foot starting a Massey-Harris-Ferguson at a show!

Useless Information.

 

Cheers,

Tony

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io]On Behalf Of mike allen
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 6:04 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

        don't know where ya tractor guy's are , there's a place on Stockton Ca  called Associated Tractor  https://www.associatedtractor.net/

        I've been using these folks for 30+ years

        animal

On 3/28/2020 9:14 AM, ww_big_al wrote:

Looks like its time to hit the junk yards. Had to do that for a Farmall. I just swapped to whole back half out.

 

From:SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phillip Rankin
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:34 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

Tony;
That is a great looking Super de Lux. Was it a gas burner or diesel?

I hope to have mine looking that good by next spring. It has been sitting untouched in the garage for ten years. I was shooting for this summer until I hit a snag. When I drained the gear box I got about 4 gallons of water, and maybe a gallon of oil. Surprisingly all the bearings and gears in the transmission section are good, but from the hydraulic pump back will have to be replaced along with the ring and pinion gears. Pinion gear is destroyed. The hydraulic pump will have to be rebuilt as well.

Phillip


Re: Weekend tractor restore project

mike allen
 

        in the 40's cars had steering lock & only a door lock on the passenger side door , but that turned out to be a huge inconvenience , so they were dropped . guess our acceptable levels of convenience changed

        animal

On 3/29/2020 7:36 AM, ww_big_al wrote:

Yes. It was a good little history lesson. It’s nice to know why something was installed which is in common use today

Al

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:34 AM
To: southbendlathe@groups.io; SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

Ahha!  Nothing to do with a big hammer coming out from under the dashboard, then!

 

Dangerous business, farming.

 

Thanks,

 

Eddie

 

On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 15:26:03 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:

 

 

To start an MF35 tractor one has to put the Hi-Lo ratio lever into the neutral position. This then closes a safety switch, allowing the starter solenoid to be energized from the ignition switch.

At a big vehicle show, Henry Ford was showing the public how easy it was to start a Massey-Harris-Ferguson tractor with the crank handle. Unfortunately, he had left the tractor in gear. The engine started immediately and he couldn't get out of the way quick enough, and a wheel went over his foot and broke it. Hence the fitment of the safety switch, 'to make the machine safer'.

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

 

-------- Original message --------

Date: 30/03/20 01:56 (GMT+12:00)

Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

Gissaclue!  Nor familiar with the Furguson range of tractors - what does the high low ratio lever have to do with engine starting and how do you use it to break your foot in a manner that an interlock prevents, please?

 

During the build period for these, British purchase tax was very high.  Cars were luxury goods, tractors weren't, so tractor spares were cheaper than car spares.  Lots of farmers ran standard Vanguard cars as well as Fergies for parts commonality.

 

Eddie

 

On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 13:00:42 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Phillip,

 

That machine had a 2.2 litre British Standard Vanguard engine in it - petrol powered.

First owner was a Taranaki (NZ) dairy farmer - I was the 2nd owner.

With the front loader & the mowers I earnt plenty of beers with it!

 

Also found out the hi-lo ratio lever starting interlock was installed by order of Henry Ford after he broke his foot starting a Massey-Harris-Ferguson at a show!

Useless Information.

 

Cheers,

Tony

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of mike allen
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 6:04 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

        don't know where ya tractor guy's are , there's a place on Stockton Ca  called Associated Tractor   https://www.associatedtractor.net/

        I've been using these folks for 30+ years

        animal

On 3/28/2020 9:14 AM, ww_big_al wrote:

Looks like its time to hit the junk yards. Had to do that for a Farmall. I just swapped to whole back half out.

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phillip Rankin
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:34 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

Tony;
That is a great looking Super de Lux. Was it a gas burner or diesel?

I hope to have mine looking that good by next spring. It has been sitting untouched in the garage for ten years. I was shooting for this summer until I hit a snag. When I drained the gear box I got about 4 gallons of water, and maybe a gallon of oil. Surprisingly all the bearings and gears in the transmission section are good, but from the hydraulic pump back will have to be replaced along with the ring and pinion gears. Pinion gear is destroyed. The hydraulic pump will have to be rebuilt as well.

Phillip


Re: Weekend tractor restore project

mike allen
 

        in the 40's cars had steering lock & only a door lock on the passenger side door , but that turned out to be a huge incoveniance

On 3/29/2020 7:36 AM, ww_big_al wrote:

Yes. It was a good little history lesson. It’s nice to know why something was installed which is in common use today

Al

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:34 AM
To: southbendlathe@groups.io; SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

Ahha!  Nothing to do with a big hammer coming out from under the dashboard, then!

 

Dangerous business, farming.

 

Thanks,

 

Eddie

 

On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 15:26:03 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:

 

 

To start an MF35 tractor one has to put the Hi-Lo ratio lever into the neutral position. This then closes a safety switch, allowing the starter solenoid to be energized from the ignition switch.

At a big vehicle show, Henry Ford was showing the public how easy it was to start a Massey-Harris-Ferguson tractor with the crank handle. Unfortunately, he had left the tractor in gear. The engine started immediately and he couldn't get out of the way quick enough, and a wheel went over his foot and broke it. Hence the fitment of the safety switch, 'to make the machine safer'.

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

 

-------- Original message --------

Date: 30/03/20 01:56 (GMT+12:00)

Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

Gissaclue!  Nor familiar with the Furguson range of tractors - what does the high low ratio lever have to do with engine starting and how do you use it to break your foot in a manner that an interlock prevents, please?

 

During the build period for these, British purchase tax was very high.  Cars were luxury goods, tractors weren't, so tractor spares were cheaper than car spares.  Lots of farmers ran standard Vanguard cars as well as Fergies for parts commonality.

 

Eddie

 

On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 13:00:42 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Phillip,

 

That machine had a 2.2 litre British Standard Vanguard engine in it - petrol powered.

First owner was a Taranaki (NZ) dairy farmer - I was the 2nd owner.

With the front loader & the mowers I earnt plenty of beers with it!

 

Also found out the hi-lo ratio lever starting interlock was installed by order of Henry Ford after he broke his foot starting a Massey-Harris-Ferguson at a show!

Useless Information.

 

Cheers,

Tony

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of mike allen
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 6:04 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

        don't know where ya tractor guy's are , there's a place on Stockton Ca  called Associated Tractor   https://www.associatedtractor.net/

        I've been using these folks for 30+ years

        animal

On 3/28/2020 9:14 AM, ww_big_al wrote:

Looks like its time to hit the junk yards. Had to do that for a Farmall. I just swapped to whole back half out.

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phillip Rankin
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:34 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

Tony;
That is a great looking Super de Lux. Was it a gas burner or diesel?

I hope to have mine looking that good by next spring. It has been sitting untouched in the garage for ten years. I was shooting for this summer until I hit a snag. When I drained the gear box I got about 4 gallons of water, and maybe a gallon of oil. Surprisingly all the bearings and gears in the transmission section are good, but from the hydraulic pump back will have to be replaced along with the ring and pinion gears. Pinion gear is destroyed. The hydraulic pump will have to be rebuilt as well.

Phillip


Re: Weekend tractor restore project

Guenther Paul
 

Any tractor needs a transmition safety switch so the tractor don't start when in gear. I had a neighbor get killed because he hot wired the transmition safety switch. On the small tractors the switch is in the seat

GP

On Sunday, March 29, 2020, 10:40:45 AM EDT, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:


I left the tractor in gear once and started it. It ran into my pickup truck which had the passenger door open and pushed it flat against the front fender. Bought a new truck a few months later.

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io <eddie.draper@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:34:12 AM
To: southbendlathe@groups.io <southbendlathe@groups.io>; SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project
 
Ahha!  Nothing to do with a big hammer coming out from under the dashboard, then!

Dangerous business, farming.

Thanks,

Eddie

On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 15:26:03 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:


To start an MF35 tractor one has to put the Hi-Lo ratio lever into the neutral position. This then closes a safety switch, allowing the starter solenoid to be energized from the ignition switch.
At a big vehicle show, Henry Ford was showing the public how easy it was to start a Massey-Harris-Ferguson tractor with the crank handle. Unfortunately, he had left the tractor in gear. The engine started immediately and he couldn't get out of the way quick enough, and a wheel went over his foot and broke it. Hence the fitment of the safety switch, 'to make the machine safer'.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: "eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io" <eddie.draper@...>
Date: 30/03/20 01:56 (GMT+12:00)
To: southbendlathe@groups.io, SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

Gissaclue!  Nor familiar with the Furguson range of tractors - what does the high low ratio lever have to do with engine starting and how do you use it to break your foot in a manner that an interlock prevents, please?

During the build period for these, British purchase tax was very high.  Cars were luxury goods, tractors weren't, so tractor spares were cheaper than car spares.  Lots of farmers ran standard Vanguard cars as well as Fergies for parts commonality.

Eddie

On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 13:00:42 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:


Hi Phillip,

 

That machine had a 2.2 litre British Standard Vanguard engine in it - petrol powered.

First owner was a Taranaki (NZ) dairy farmer - I was the 2nd owner.

With the front loader & the mowers I earnt plenty of beers with it!

 

Also found out the hi-lo ratio lever starting interlock was installed by order of Henry Ford after he broke his foot starting a Massey-Harris-Ferguson at a show!

Useless Information.

 

Cheers,

Tony

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io]On Behalf Of mike allen
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 6:04 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

        don't know where ya tractor guy's are , there's a place on Stockton Ca  called Associated Tractor  https://www.associatedtractor.net/

        I've been using these folks for 30+ years

        animal

On 3/28/2020 9:14 AM, ww_big_al wrote:

Looks like its time to hit the junk yards. Had to do that for a Farmall. I just swapped to whole back half out.

 

From:SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phillip Rankin
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:34 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

Tony;
That is a great looking Super de Lux. Was it a gas burner or diesel?

I hope to have mine looking that good by next spring. It has been sitting untouched in the garage for ten years. I was shooting for this summer until I hit a snag. When I drained the gear box I got about 4 gallons of water, and maybe a gallon of oil. Surprisingly all the bearings and gears in the transmission section are good, but from the hydraulic pump back will have to be replaced along with the ring and pinion gears. Pinion gear is destroyed. The hydraulic pump will have to be rebuilt as well.

Phillip


Re: Weekend tractor restore project

Andrei
 

I left the tractor in gear once and started it. It ran into my pickup truck which had the passenger door open and pushed it flat against the front fender. Bought a new truck a few months later.

Typos are courtesy of autocorrect.


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io <eddie.draper@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:34:12 AM
To: southbendlathe@groups.io <southbendlathe@groups.io>; SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project
 
Ahha!  Nothing to do with a big hammer coming out from under the dashboard, then!

Dangerous business, farming.

Thanks,

Eddie

On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 15:26:03 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:


To start an MF35 tractor one has to put the Hi-Lo ratio lever into the neutral position. This then closes a safety switch, allowing the starter solenoid to be energized from the ignition switch.
At a big vehicle show, Henry Ford was showing the public how easy it was to start a Massey-Harris-Ferguson tractor with the crank handle. Unfortunately, he had left the tractor in gear. The engine started immediately and he couldn't get out of the way quick enough, and a wheel went over his foot and broke it. Hence the fitment of the safety switch, 'to make the machine safer'.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: "eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io" <eddie.draper@...>
Date: 30/03/20 01:56 (GMT+12:00)
To: southbendlathe@groups.io, SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

Gissaclue!  Nor familiar with the Furguson range of tractors - what does the high low ratio lever have to do with engine starting and how do you use it to break your foot in a manner that an interlock prevents, please?

During the build period for these, British purchase tax was very high.  Cars were luxury goods, tractors weren't, so tractor spares were cheaper than car spares.  Lots of farmers ran standard Vanguard cars as well as Fergies for parts commonality.

Eddie

On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 13:00:42 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:


Hi Phillip,

 

That machine had a 2.2 litre British Standard Vanguard engine in it - petrol powered.

First owner was a Taranaki (NZ) dairy farmer - I was the 2nd owner.

With the front loader & the mowers I earnt plenty of beers with it!

 

Also found out the hi-lo ratio lever starting interlock was installed by order of Henry Ford after he broke his foot starting a Massey-Harris-Ferguson at a show!

Useless Information.

 

Cheers,

Tony

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of mike allen
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 6:04 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

        don't know where ya tractor guy's are , there's a place on Stockton Ca  called Associated Tractor   https://www.associatedtractor.net/

        I've been using these folks for 30+ years

        animal

On 3/28/2020 9:14 AM, ww_big_al wrote:

Looks like its time to hit the junk yards. Had to do that for a Farmall. I just swapped to whole back half out.

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phillip Rankin
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:34 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

Tony;
That is a great looking Super de Lux. Was it a gas burner or diesel?

I hope to have mine looking that good by next spring. It has been sitting untouched in the garage for ten years. I was shooting for this summer until I hit a snag. When I drained the gear box I got about 4 gallons of water, and maybe a gallon of oil. Surprisingly all the bearings and gears in the transmission section are good, but from the hydraulic pump back will have to be replaced along with the ring and pinion gears. Pinion gear is destroyed. The hydraulic pump will have to be rebuilt as well.

Phillip


Re: Weekend tractor restore project

ww_big_al
 

Yes. It was a good little history lesson. It’s nice to know why something was installed which is in common use today

Al

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:34 AM
To: southbendlathe@groups.io; SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

Ahha!  Nothing to do with a big hammer coming out from under the dashboard, then!

 

Dangerous business, farming.

 

Thanks,

 

Eddie

 

On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 15:26:03 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:

 

 

To start an MF35 tractor one has to put the Hi-Lo ratio lever into the neutral position. This then closes a safety switch, allowing the starter solenoid to be energized from the ignition switch.

At a big vehicle show, Henry Ford was showing the public how easy it was to start a Massey-Harris-Ferguson tractor with the crank handle. Unfortunately, he had left the tractor in gear. The engine started immediately and he couldn't get out of the way quick enough, and a wheel went over his foot and broke it. Hence the fitment of the safety switch, 'to make the machine safer'.

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

 

-------- Original message --------

Date: 30/03/20 01:56 (GMT+12:00)

Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

Gissaclue!  Nor familiar with the Furguson range of tractors - what does the high low ratio lever have to do with engine starting and how do you use it to break your foot in a manner that an interlock prevents, please?

 

During the build period for these, British purchase tax was very high.  Cars were luxury goods, tractors weren't, so tractor spares were cheaper than car spares.  Lots of farmers ran standard Vanguard cars as well as Fergies for parts commonality.

 

Eddie

 

On Sunday, 29 March 2020, 13:00:42 BST, nzpropnut <skilton.adscan@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Phillip,

 

That machine had a 2.2 litre British Standard Vanguard engine in it - petrol powered.

First owner was a Taranaki (NZ) dairy farmer - I was the 2nd owner.

With the front loader & the mowers I earnt plenty of beers with it!

 

Also found out the hi-lo ratio lever starting interlock was installed by order of Henry Ford after he broke his foot starting a Massey-Harris-Ferguson at a show!

Useless Information.

 

Cheers,

Tony

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of mike allen
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 6:04 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

        don't know where ya tractor guy's are , there's a place on Stockton Ca  called Associated Tractor   https://www.associatedtractor.net/

        I've been using these folks for 30+ years

        animal

On 3/28/2020 9:14 AM, ww_big_al wrote:

Looks like its time to hit the junk yards. Had to do that for a Farmall. I just swapped to whole back half out.

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> On Behalf Of Phillip Rankin
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:34 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

 

Tony;
That is a great looking Super de Lux. Was it a gas burner or diesel?

I hope to have mine looking that good by next spring. It has been sitting untouched in the garage for ten years. I was shooting for this summer until I hit a snag. When I drained the gear box I got about 4 gallons of water, and maybe a gallon of oil. Surprisingly all the bearings and gears in the transmission section are good, but from the hydraulic pump back will have to be replaced along with the ring and pinion gears. Pinion gear is destroyed. The hydraulic pump will have to be rebuilt as well.

Phillip

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