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Re: New to me 14.5" and need some help

mike allen
 

        there's 1 or 2 guys on this forum that make new nuts & screws

        https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/south-bend-lathes/

        animal

On 3/27/2020 7:11 AM, Todd wrote:
 I heard back from "the guy" that he should be back in town around 4-10 provided he's allowed to travel etc.  

 That said... Gary, or any others, does anyone have a new cross feed nut (and possibly a screw for a taper equipped) or know who's making them ? 
_._,_._,_



Re: Weekend tractor restore project

Nfwood
 

Phil and Son,

Great pctures and testimony about your father/son cooperation.  Sounds like you have him on the right track for future success, regardless of his career path--he will probably remember this incident and tell this story to his children!

I am jealous.

Nelson W


-----Original Message-----
From: Phillip Rankin <phillip.rankin1964@...>
To: SouthBendLathe <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Mar 27, 2020 11:18 am
Subject: [SouthBendLathe] Weekend tractor restore project

   I’m in the process of restoring an old Massey Ferguson 35 Tractor (Circa 1960). During the tear down I broke the bolt (5/8”-18) that held the pivot pin for the front axle in place. I got the threaded hole cleaned out, but the threads were pretty rusty. I didn’t have a tap to chase the threads with, so I purchased a reconditioned one on eBay for $4.00. Figured I couldn’t lose at that that price. The tap turned out to be a very nice, and sharp Greenfield plug tap. Can’t complain about that.
 
 
   

   When it came time for reassembly I dug around in my “this might be useful one day” scrap, and came across a piece of one inch hex long enough to make the needed replacement bolt. I started off by using the tap to make a thread gauge out of another piece of scrap, and then proceeded to make the needed bolt.
  

   The threading gods must have been with me on this one. When I made my first test fit with the gauge I had the fit I was looking for (light drag, no wobble). I’ll probably never get that lucky again. Parted it off, turned it around, and dressed the hex.



    I cleaned the bolt up a bit more, and give the bolt a cold blue treatment. Time to drive the pivot pin into place. It’s a two man operation, so I enlisted the help of my 15 year old. I let him swing the hammer since the impact doesn’t always agree with my carpal tunnel problems.




   Since I hadn’t planned on using a lock washer under the bolt head I cut the shoulder to be a snug fit, and applied Locktite 242 to the threads on assembly. My son is a little heavy handed, and not a very good aim with a 4lb hammer as per the hammer marks left on the flange, but it was a good learning experience for him, and the help was much appreciated. The front axle pivot is now ready for another 60 years of use. Job complete.


Re: Weekend tractor restore project

Steve Yasgur
 

👍🏻


On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Phillip Rankin <phillip.rankin1964@...> wrote:

I'm happy with the six jaw chuck. If I need a 3 jaw chuck I can drop three jaws out, and I'm good to go.


Re: Weekend tractor restore project

Phillip Rankin
 

I'm happy with the six jaw chuck. If I need a 3 jaw chuck I can drop three jaws out, and I'm good to go.


Re: Weekend tractor restore project

Steve Yasgur
 

Good work, Phil!  Having the 6-jaw was a big help, I bet!

Yaz


On Mar 27, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Phillip Rankin <phillip.rankin1964@...> wrote:



   I’m in the process of restoring an old Massey Ferguson 35 Tractor (Circa 1960). During the tear down I broke the bolt (5/8”-18) that held the pivot pin for the front axle in place. I got the threaded hole cleaned out, but the threads were pretty rusty. I didn’t have a tap to chase the threads with, so I purchased a reconditioned one on eBay for $4.00. Figured I couldn’t lose at that that price. The tap turned out to be a very nice, and sharp Greenfield plug tap. Can’t complain about that.

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   When it came time for reassembly I dug around in my “this might be useful one day” scrap, and came across a piece of one inch hex long enough to make the needed replacement bolt. I started off by using the tap to make a thread gauge out of another piece of scrap, and then proceeded to make the needed bolt.

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   The threading gods must have been with me on this one. When I made my first test fit with the gauge I had the fit I was looking for (light drag, no wobble). I’ll probably never get that lucky again. Parted it off, turned it around, and dressed the hex.

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    I cleaned the bolt up a bit more, and give the bolt a cold blue treatment. Time to drive the pivot pin into place. It’s a two man operation, so I enlisted the help of my 15 year old. I let him swing the hammer since the impact doesn’t always agree with my carpal tunnel problems.
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   Since I hadn’t planned on using a lock washer under the bolt head I cut the shoulder to be a snug fit, and applied Locktite 242 to the threads on assembly. My son is a little heavy handed, and not a very good aim with a 4lb hammer as per the hammer marks left on the flange, but it was a good learning experience for him, and the help was much appreciated. The front axle pivot is now ready for another 60 years of use. Job complete.

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Weekend tractor restore project

Phillip Rankin
 

   I’m in the process of restoring an old Massey Ferguson 35 Tractor (Circa 1960). During the tear down I broke the bolt (5/8”-18) that held the pivot pin for the front axle in place. I got the threaded hole cleaned out, but the threads were pretty rusty. I didn’t have a tap to chase the threads with, so I purchased a reconditioned one on eBay for $4.00. Figured I couldn’t lose at that that price. The tap turned out to be a very nice, and sharp Greenfield plug tap. Can’t complain about that.

 

 

   

   When it came time for reassembly I dug around in my “this might be useful one day” scrap, and came across a piece of one inch hex long enough to make the needed replacement bolt. I started off by using the tap to make a thread gauge out of another piece of scrap, and then proceeded to make the needed bolt.

  

   The threading gods must have been with me on this one. When I made my first test fit with the gauge I had the fit I was looking for (light drag, no wobble). I’ll probably never get that lucky again. Parted it off, turned it around, and dressed the hex.




    I cleaned the bolt up a bit more, and give the bolt a cold blue treatment. Time to drive the pivot pin into place. It’s a two man operation, so I enlisted the help of my 15 year old. I let him swing the hammer since the impact doesn’t always agree with my carpal tunnel problems.




   Since I hadn’t planned on using a lock washer under the bolt head I cut the shoulder to be a snug fit, and applied Locktite 242 to the threads on assembly. My son is a little heavy handed, and not a very good aim with a 4lb hammer as per the hammer marks left on the flange, but it was a good learning experience for him, and the help was much appreciated. The front axle pivot is now ready for another 60 years of use. Job complete.


Re: New to me 14.5" and need some help

Todd
 

 I heard back from "the guy" that he should be back in town around 4-10 provided he's allowed to travel etc.  

 That said... Gary, or any others, does anyone have a new cross feed nut (and possibly a screw for a taper equipped) or know who's making them ? 


Re: New to me 14.5" and need some help

gary roberts
 

The 14.5 South Bend parts I have some parts available I've decided to retire and part with various machines 13, 14, 15, and 16 all or parts Thanks group I've had a lot of fun reading    


Re: Oil help

Ondrej Krejci
 

Just use sperm whale oil, for everything.

On Thursday, March 26, 2020, 08:37:33 PM EDT, Nelson Collar via Groups.Io <nel2lar@...> wrote:


For spindle?

On Monday, March 23, 2020, 10:22:33 PM CDT, Jim Schaffroth via Groups.Io <beeeeeee4@...> wrote:


For spindle? Gearbox? Ways?

On Monday, March 23, 2020, 6:40:19 PM PDT, Nelson Collar via Groups.Io <nel2lar@...> wrote:


I'll start with the question asked in previous message. Quote "Why not just buy the correct oils?"
 The biggest problem with that is shipping cost as much as the oil. Well a very good friend turned me onto a mixture that has served me for many years very well. That mixture is 50/50 Marvel Mystery Oil and 30 weight Non-detergent oil. The last time I looked at the store in passing and both sold for less than $5 each yielding less than $10 and I did not need to look for Fed-X. Try it you might like it!
Nelson

On Monday, March 23, 2020, 04:46:26 PM CDT, Harley Schlinger via Groups.Io <old1940@...> wrote:


Amen, docent Canada have eBay or Amazon? I love my 14.5 South Bend  but you guys on this site ride a subject to death and still keep going, I have read 11 post on this subject and just looked and there is another 25 to read yet get of the subject and go work on your Lathe.

Harley   

On Monday, March 23, 2020, 12:07:35 PM PDT, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:


Why not just buy the correct oils?

They are available, not super expensive, and you can find them in small  quantities online, either at eBay or Amazon. 

I am having a hard time understanding the need to overcomplicate and modify a solution that already exists and has worked fine for decades. 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Terry McCreary <tmccreary@...>
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 2:57 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Oil help
 
Just wondering; has anyone tried adding one of the stiction-reducing oil
additives to non-detergent oil, as a substitute for real way oil?  Hot
Shot and REV-X are two brands. A bit expensive ($US25-30 for a quart)
but might be worth trying if you live where real way oil is hard to get.

Best -- Terry

--
Dr. Terry McCreary
Professor Emeritus
Murray State University
Murray KY  42071





Re: New to me 14.5" and need some help

Wayne Andrews <Wayneandrews@...>
 

Gary, What’s this about? Wayne


On Mar 26, 2020, at 9:41 PM, gary roberts via Groups.Io <zsupercharged@...> wrote:


I have a motor dual shaft out of South Bend and other parts in Akron Ohio let me know thanks Gary


Re: New to me 14.5" and need some help

gary roberts
 

I have a motor dual shaft out of South Bend and other parts in Akron Ohio let me know thanks Gary


Re: Oil help

Nelson Collar
 

For spindle?

On Monday, March 23, 2020, 10:22:33 PM CDT, Jim Schaffroth via Groups.Io <beeeeeee4@...> wrote:


For spindle? Gearbox? Ways?

On Monday, March 23, 2020, 6:40:19 PM PDT, Nelson Collar via Groups.Io <nel2lar@...> wrote:


I'll start with the question asked in previous message. Quote "Why not just buy the correct oils?"
 The biggest problem with that is shipping cost as much as the oil. Well a very good friend turned me onto a mixture that has served me for many years very well. That mixture is 50/50 Marvel Mystery Oil and 30 weight Non-detergent oil. The last time I looked at the store in passing and both sold for less than $5 each yielding less than $10 and I did not need to look for Fed-X. Try it you might like it!
Nelson

On Monday, March 23, 2020, 04:46:26 PM CDT, Harley Schlinger via Groups.Io <old1940@...> wrote:


Amen, docent Canada have eBay or Amazon? I love my 14.5 South Bend  but you guys on this site ride a subject to death and still keep going, I have read 11 post on this subject and just looked and there is another 25 to read yet get of the subject and go work on your Lathe.

Harley   

On Monday, March 23, 2020, 12:07:35 PM PDT, Andrei <calciu1@...> wrote:


Why not just buy the correct oils?

They are available, not super expensive, and you can find them in small  quantities online, either at eBay or Amazon. 

I am having a hard time understanding the need to overcomplicate and modify a solution that already exists and has worked fine for decades. 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Terry McCreary <tmccreary@...>
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 2:57 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Oil help
 
Just wondering; has anyone tried adding one of the stiction-reducing oil
additives to non-detergent oil, as a substitute for real way oil?  Hot
Shot and REV-X are two brands. A bit expensive ($US25-30 for a quart)
but might be worth trying if you live where real way oil is hard to get.

Best -- Terry

--
Dr. Terry McCreary
Professor Emeritus
Murray State University
Murray KY  42071





Re: South Bend Recommended Lubricants

david_g4000
 

John D.

Very simple chart. I like it.

Thanks,

Dave

On 3/26/2020 12:14 PM, John Dammeyer wrote:

To get rid of the disgusting advertising on the prezhost site here's the information that could have just as easily been in that email.

John Dammeyer

I suggest getting a few people in on the deal, ordering the 4 gallons, then splitting them up. It does save money.

WAY OIL
Mobile Vactra #2
Manufacturer�s #: 98458N
WAY OIL

SPINDLE � Type �A�
Mobile Velocite #10
Manufacturer�s #: 98989N
Type � �A�

GEAR BOX � Type �B�
Mobile DTE 24 [ISO 32]
Manufacturer�s #: 98735N
Type � �B�

EVERYTHING ELSE � Type �C�
Mobile DTE Heavy-Med [ISO 68]
Manufacturer�s #: 98669N
Type � �C�

�

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From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Faith Banini via Groups.Io
Sent: March-26-20 12:34 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: [SouthBendLathe] South Bend Recommended Lubricants

�

�

I put this thread together to help those out who are restoring machines and are confused about the oils they need. I�ve included a simple to understand break down and also provided the links to Enco for ease of ordering.

https://prezhost.com/2020/03/26/south-bend-recommended-lubricants/#respond

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Re: South Bend Recommended Lubricants

mike allen
 

        I got all my oils for my 9A at WW Grainger . I took the original #'s to a local oil distributer & had them cross them to current oils & then had Grainger cross them to the brands they carried

        animal

On 3/26/2020 1:02 AM, Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io wrote:
None of the links go to Enco because it  was absorbed by MSC several years ago. They go to the MSC website search page instead, not the specific oils. I can't swear to it, but I believe the last time I looked there they had 5 gallon buckets & 55 gallon drums, only. Nearly $100 & $1000, each, respectively. Both would be massive overkill for my shop. 

Another poster gave part numbers for gallon jugs at McMaster-Carr, IIRC, and that is probably as good as you can get from a major suppler. You can find kits of pint or half-pint bottles on eBay, and don't forget to look for a local supplier of petroleum products in your area. Or check with a local shop, they maybe able to refer you. There are more than 40 such distributors in my area, besides Grainger & Fastenal. There should be someone in your area, wherever you are. 

HTH!

Bill in OKC


William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)





On Thursday, March 26, 2020, 02:33:37 AM CDT, Faith Banini via Groups.Io <faithbanini@...> wrote:


 
I put this thread together to help those out who are restoring machines and are confused about the oils they need. I’ve included a simple to understand break down and also provided the links to Enco for ease of ordering.

https://prezhost.com/2020/03/26/south-bend-recommended-lubricants/#respond
 


Re: South Bend Recommended Lubricants

John Dammeyer
 

To get rid of the disgusting advertising on the prezhost site here's the information that could have just as easily been in that email.

John Dammeyer

I suggest getting a few people in on the deal, ordering the 4 gallons, then splitting them up. It does save money.

WAY OIL
Mobile Vactra #2
Manufacturer’s #: 98458N
WAY OIL

SPINDLE – Type “A”
Mobile Velocite #10
Manufacturer’s #: 98989N
Type – “A”

GEAR BOX – Type “B”
Mobile DTE 24 [ISO 32]
Manufacturer’s #: 98735N
Type – “B”

EVERYTHING ELSE – Type “C”
Mobile DTE Heavy-Med [ISO 68]
Manufacturer’s #: 98669N
Type – “C”

 

 

From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Faith Banini via Groups.Io
Sent: March-26-20 12:34 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: [SouthBendLathe] South Bend Recommended Lubricants

 

 

I put this thread together to help those out who are restoring machines and are confused about the oils they need. I’ve included a simple to understand break down and also provided the links to Enco for ease of ordering.

https://prezhost.com/2020/03/26/south-bend-recommended-lubricants/#respond

 


Re: Oil help

Gary Jones
 

Here is the listing for the South Bend Oils on EBAY

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SOUTH-BEND-LATHE-RECOMMENDED-A-B-and-C-LATHE-OILS/223438984795?hash=item340600565b:g:V7UAAOxymiVQ~cQk

 

These are 16 Ounce bottles and they will last you for a long time….

 

Gary

 

Don’t let Yesterday take up too much of Today

Will Rogers

 


Re: South Bend Recommended Lubricants

Bill in OKC too
 

None of the links go to Enco because it  was absorbed by MSC several years ago. They go to the MSC website search page instead, not the specific oils. I can't swear to it, but I believe the last time I looked there they had 5 gallon buckets & 55 gallon drums, only. Nearly $100 & $1000, each, respectively. Both would be massive overkill for my shop. 

Another poster gave part numbers for gallon jugs at McMaster-Carr, IIRC, and that is probably as good as you can get from a major suppler. You can find kits of pint or half-pint bottles on eBay, and don't forget to look for a local supplier of petroleum products in your area. Or check with a local shop, they maybe able to refer you. There are more than 40 such distributors in my area, besides Grainger & Fastenal. There should be someone in your area, wherever you are. 

HTH!

Bill in OKC


William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)





On Thursday, March 26, 2020, 02:33:37 AM CDT, Faith Banini via Groups.Io <faithbanini@...> wrote:


 
I put this thread together to help those out who are restoring machines and are confused about the oils they need. I’ve included a simple to understand break down and also provided the links to Enco for ease of ordering.

https://prezhost.com/2020/03/26/south-bend-recommended-lubricants/#respond
 


South Bend Recommended Lubricants

Faith Banini <faithbanini@...>
 

 
I put this thread together to help those out who are restoring machines and are confused about the oils they need. I’ve included a simple to understand break down and also provided the links to Enco for ease of ordering.

https://prezhost.com/2020/03/26/south-bend-recommended-lubricants/#respond
 


Re: I need SB 9A UMD drive to buy

sblatheman
 

I have what you need 🙂
Send me an email
Latheman2@...
Ted

On Mar 25, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Faith Banini via Groups.Io <faithbanini@...> wrote:

My SB 9A UMD drive that has leaking badly. I have given up trying to fix it and I want to buy a new one. Can someone recommend a store


Re: I need SB 9A UMD drive to buy

mike allen
 

        check with Latheman Ted m if he doesn't  chime in here try him on https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/south-bend-lathes/

        animal

On 3/25/2020 5:19 PM, Faith Banini via Groups.Io wrote:
My SB 9A UMD drive that has leaking badly. I have given up trying to fix it and I want to buy a new one. Can someone recommend a store

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