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Re: Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

Steve Wells
 

Is it a 612 ?
Steve

On Feb 8, 2020, at 7:43 PM, ken campbell <deltainc@grm.net> wrote:

Magnaturn ... i have one that was working when i shut it off in 2006. has 6 ft. air barfeed. sw iowa ... pm me if interested.





Re: Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

ken campbell
 

Magnaturn ... i have one that was working when i shut it off in 2006.  has 6 ft. air barfeed.  sw iowa ... pm me if interested.


Re: Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

sblatheman
 

Steve,
The 14” Turn ado was an import like what grizzly sells, a “South Bend” in name only.
Note: not to be confused with the Fourteen (made in South Bend)
Ted

On Feb 8, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Steve Wells <wswells@earthlink.net> wrote:

Ted, did you ever see one of the 14's built?

Steve

-----Original Message----- From: sblatheman via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 5:30 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

It is a 27” (17” with risers) built for the military in South Bend, Indiana.
Most of them were built for off-road mobile machine shops.

Ted

On Feb 8, 2020, at 3:07 PM, bclong7@runbox.com wrote:

Claims it is NOS. Not involved - just passing this along....

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/tls/d/sadler-new-southbend-27-engine-lathe/7052505638.html











Re: Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

Bill in OKC too
 

Well, I was apparently wrong. They no longer list a 27" lathe, though they do have lathes up to 41". 



They have several lathes that are not branded South Bend but nothing in that size. 


Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)





On Saturday, February 8, 2020, 02:48:32 PM CST, bclong7@... <bclong7@...> wrote:


The plaques riveted to it mention "South Bend Lathe Company South Bend, Indiana" and "An Employee Owned Company".  The patina and design - to me it just looks like a lathe that would have been made in South Bend.  And the serial number appears to follow the same pattern as other later production SB machines.  However, there is no mention of a machine bigger than 17 inch in Steve Wells' database. 

I'm certainly no expert on the subject - this is all just enjoyable speculation. 

Bernie

On 2/8/2020 2:19 PM, James Rice wrote:
It's been listed for months now.  Same price which is about the retail price quoted by South Bend/Grizzly.  It's only 15 minutes from me, I should call them and check it out.  


James

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 2:05 PM <bclong7@...> wrote:
Claims it is NOS.  Not involved - just passing this along....

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/tls/d/sadler-new-southbend-27-engine-lathe/7052505638.html








Re: Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

Steve Wells
 

I'm also looking for a 612 MagnaTurn to retrofit

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Wells
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 5:50 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

Ted, did you ever see one of the 14's built?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: sblatheman via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 5:30 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

It is a 27” (17” with risers) built for the military in South Bend, Indiana.
Most of them were built for off-road mobile machine shops.

Ted

On Feb 8, 2020, at 3:07 PM, bclong7@runbox.com wrote:

Claims it is NOS. Not involved - just passing this along....

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/tls/d/sadler-new-southbend-27-engine-lathe/7052505638.html







Re: Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

Steve Wells
 

Ted, did you ever see one of the 14's built?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: sblatheman via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 5:30 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

It is a 27” (17” with risers) built for the military in South Bend, Indiana.
Most of them were built for off-road mobile machine shops.

Ted

On Feb 8, 2020, at 3:07 PM, bclong7@runbox.com wrote:

Claims it is NOS. Not involved - just passing this along....

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/tls/d/sadler-new-southbend-27-engine-lathe/7052505638.html







Re: Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

Steve Wells
 

The Turn-Nado serial numbers can be misleading sometimes, I haven’t completed my research on them yet.
Still collecting data and numbers. the lathe listed in the video by Sterling (great company) is a 2000 year I believe.
After the original 17 Inch, they made a 20 inch also, then in the late years they had 14, 16, 18, 22 and advertised in 1998, they would build a Turn-Nado
from 10 to 50 inches for you. Man would I like to see a 10” to 14” for sale somewhere.
 
Steve
 

From: bclong7@...
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2020 3:48 PM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL
 

The plaques riveted to it mention "South Bend Lathe Company South Bend, Indiana" and "An Employee Owned Company".  The patina and design - to me it just looks like a lathe that would have been made in South Bend.  And the serial number appears to follow the same pattern as other later production SB machines.  However, there is no mention of a machine bigger than 17 inch in Steve Wells' database. 

I'm certainly no expert on the subject - this is all just enjoyable speculation. 

Bernie

On 2/8/2020 2:19 PM, James Rice wrote:
It's been listed for months now.  Same price which is about the retail price quoted by South Bend/Grizzly.  It's only 15 minutes from me, I should call them and check it out. 
 
 
James
 
On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 2:05 PM <bclong7@...> wrote:
Claims it is NOS.  Not involved - just passing this along....

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/tls/d/sadler-new-southbend-27-engine-lathe/7052505638.html








Re: Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

sblatheman
 

It is a 27” (17” with risers) built for the military in South Bend, Indiana.
Most of them were built for off-road mobile machine shops.

Ted

On Feb 8, 2020, at 3:07 PM, bclong7@runbox.com wrote:

Claims it is NOS. Not involved - just passing this along....

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/tls/d/sadler-new-southbend-27-engine-lathe/7052505638.html







Re: Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

James Rice
 

I missed the old data plate so that is probably low time if not unused.  I wonder how sitting unused for decades affected it mechanically?

James

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 3:24 PM Sam <i.am.sam.sam.i.am2008@...> wrote:
Nevermind I was wrong.

If you can read the model number - maybe send that to Steve Wells


On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 4:21 PM Sam <i.am.sam.sam.i.am2008@...> wrote:
18" -27"

27" is the gap diameter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7Yd0rgseh4


On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 3:48 PM <bclong7@...> wrote:

The plaques riveted to it mention "South Bend Lathe Company South Bend, Indiana" and "An Employee Owned Company".  The patina and design - to me it just looks like a lathe that would have been made in South Bend.  And the serial number appears to follow the same pattern as other later production SB machines.  However, there is no mention of a machine bigger than 17 inch in Steve Wells' database. 

I'm certainly no expert on the subject - this is all just enjoyable speculation. 

Bernie

On 2/8/2020 2:19 PM, James Rice wrote:
It's been listed for months now.  Same price which is about the retail price quoted by South Bend/Grizzly.  It's only 15 minutes from me, I should call them and check it out.  


James

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 2:05 PM <bclong7@...> wrote:
Claims it is NOS.  Not involved - just passing this along....

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/tls/d/sadler-new-southbend-27-engine-lathe/7052505638.html








Re: Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

Sam
 

Nevermind I was wrong.

If you can read the model number - maybe send that to Steve Wells


On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 4:21 PM Sam <i.am.sam.sam.i.am2008@...> wrote:
18" -27"

27" is the gap diameter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7Yd0rgseh4


On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 3:48 PM <bclong7@...> wrote:

The plaques riveted to it mention "South Bend Lathe Company South Bend, Indiana" and "An Employee Owned Company".  The patina and design - to me it just looks like a lathe that would have been made in South Bend.  And the serial number appears to follow the same pattern as other later production SB machines.  However, there is no mention of a machine bigger than 17 inch in Steve Wells' database. 

I'm certainly no expert on the subject - this is all just enjoyable speculation. 

Bernie

On 2/8/2020 2:19 PM, James Rice wrote:
It's been listed for months now.  Same price which is about the retail price quoted by South Bend/Grizzly.  It's only 15 minutes from me, I should call them and check it out.  


James

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 2:05 PM <bclong7@...> wrote:
Claims it is NOS.  Not involved - just passing this along....

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/tls/d/sadler-new-southbend-27-engine-lathe/7052505638.html








Re: Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

Sam
 

18" -27"

27" is the gap diameter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7Yd0rgseh4


On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 3:48 PM <bclong7@...> wrote:

The plaques riveted to it mention "South Bend Lathe Company South Bend, Indiana" and "An Employee Owned Company".  The patina and design - to me it just looks like a lathe that would have been made in South Bend.  And the serial number appears to follow the same pattern as other later production SB machines.  However, there is no mention of a machine bigger than 17 inch in Steve Wells' database. 

I'm certainly no expert on the subject - this is all just enjoyable speculation. 

Bernie

On 2/8/2020 2:19 PM, James Rice wrote:
It's been listed for months now.  Same price which is about the retail price quoted by South Bend/Grizzly.  It's only 15 minutes from me, I should call them and check it out.  


James

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 2:05 PM <bclong7@...> wrote:
Claims it is NOS.  Not involved - just passing this along....

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/tls/d/sadler-new-southbend-27-engine-lathe/7052505638.html








Re: Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

bclong7@...
 

The plaques riveted to it mention "South Bend Lathe Company South Bend, Indiana" and "An Employee Owned Company".  The patina and design - to me it just looks like a lathe that would have been made in South Bend.  And the serial number appears to follow the same pattern as other later production SB machines.  However, there is no mention of a machine bigger than 17 inch in Steve Wells' database. 

I'm certainly no expert on the subject - this is all just enjoyable speculation. 

Bernie

On 2/8/2020 2:19 PM, James Rice wrote:
It's been listed for months now.  Same price which is about the retail price quoted by South Bend/Grizzly.  It's only 15 minutes from me, I should call them and check it out.  


James

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 2:05 PM <bclong7@...> wrote:
Claims it is NOS.  Not involved - just passing this along....

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/tls/d/sadler-new-southbend-27-engine-lathe/7052505638.html








Re: Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

James Rice
 

It's been listed for months now.  Same price which is about the retail price quoted by South Bend/Grizzly.  It's only 15 minutes from me, I should call them and check it out.  


James

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 2:05 PM <bclong7@...> wrote:
Claims it is NOS.  Not involved - just passing this along....

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/tls/d/sadler-new-southbend-27-engine-lathe/7052505638.html








Re: Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

Bill in OKC too
 

Pretty sure that's the "new" South Bend, made in Taiwan or wherever Grizzly's version is made. Bit big for both my shop and wallet, but their new Heavy 10 lists for $10k.

Bill in OKC

William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)


A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders,
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
LAZARUS LONG (Robert A. Heinlein)





On Saturday, February 8, 2020, 02:05:41 PM CST, <bclong7@...> wrote:


Claims it is NOS.  Not involved - just passing this along....









Found on Dallas Craigslist - 27" SBL

bclong7@...
 

Claims it is NOS.  Not involved - just passing this along....

https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/tls/d/sadler-new-southbend-27-engine-lathe/7052505638.html


Re: stuck chuck

N Jen
 

Thank you John, I think I see my path forward now.  
Best regards and thanks,
Niels

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 6:27 PM comstock_friend <jfriend314@...> wrote:
Niels, I couldn't find a photo of my wrench and it's up at the cabin, so I grabbed this one off the 'net. Mine is hardwood and can grab pretty good. Aluminum is good also; I made some aluminum clamp blocks of the same type design (split hole) to take an Albrecht chuck apart.

John


Re: stuck chuck

comstock_friend
 

Niels, I couldn't find a photo of my wrench and it's up at the cabin, so I grabbed this one off the 'net. Mine is hardwood and can grab pretty good. Aluminum is good also; I made some aluminum clamp blocks of the same type design (split hole) to take an Albrecht chuck apart.

John


Re: stuck chuck

N Jen
 

John,
You are correct. I have not acted on this. I like to evaluate things first and take sound advice to avoid damage. I am going to take your advice regarding making a barrel wrench for the tail of the spindle.  I am considering using aluminum for the clamping part to avoid scoring the tail.  The clamp in the picture you included looks like it was made from steel and used a collapsible sleeve bearing to avoid scoring. Thanks for your reply. 
Niels

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 7:53 PM comstock_friend <jfriend314@...> wrote:
N Jen, No, don't tighten up your expanders! You can damage the bearings by over-tightening these. Make up a barrel wrench like shown here (mine is a 2" x 2" hardwood handle 3 feet long with another 4" of the same material bolted to one end, drilled for what ever you are going to clamp on).

In the case of old South Bends, grab the tail end of the spindle. 

John


Re: stuck chuck

comstock_friend
 

N Jen, No, don't tighten up your expanders! You can damage the bearings by over-tightening these. Make up a barrel wrench like shown here (mine is a 2" x 2" hardwood handle 3 feet long with another 4" of the same material bolted to one end, drilled for what ever you are going to clamp on).

In the case of old South Bends, grab the tail end of the spindle. 

John


Re: stuck chuck

N Jen
 

I have a 1946 Heavy 10 aka 10L. It has bronze split bushings that encompass the spindle bearing surface. The split is oriented at the top and has an “expander” that pushes the bushing apart against the surrounding cast iron cap insuring a full circle surrounding the spindle bearing surface. This expander is essentially a wedge that is pulled upward by two screws set in the top half of the cast iron cap. It is not easy painting a picture with words!

I will need to give additional thought to clamping my spindle given the differences between our machines, but you’ve provided a seed. Thanks.

 Perhaps there are others in the group that have 10L’s with the same bearing setup and have used them to clamp the spindle?

Sent from Niels' iPhone

On Jan 23, 2020, at 9:53 AM, eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io <eddie.draper@...> wrote:


Dear Niel et al,

I just took a couple of shims out, 0.002" or 0.003" each side (the spindle clearance is normally very precisely set with the bolts hard tight), put the cap back on, tightened hard down and it was immobile.  Afterwards, I just reassembled normally.

This is a 14.5" lathe without bushes.  The spindle just runs in the Cast iron of the headstock & bearing cap.  I would have thought the same would work on one with bearing shells, so long as the shims are normally located between the shells rather than just at the caps with the shells abutting hard against each other.  never seen a SB with shells taken apart.  My Myford is certainly shimmed between the shells.

Don't whatever you do take out a big pile of shims, or you could distort or fracture the bearing cap while tightening it down.  Is that what you were referring to when you mention "expand the bearing" below?

Eddie

On Thursday, 23 January 2020, 14:10:54 GMT, N Jen <niels.jensen@...> wrote:


To Eddie Draper,
I like your idea of removing a few shims at the front bearing of the spindle to immobilize the spindle. Just for clarification, did you expand the bearing after reinstalling the bearing cap in order to clamp down on the spindle?  I have a stuck chuck that I need to remove and want to use your method. 

Sent from Niels' iPhone

On Jan 22, 2020, at 2:21 PM, eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io <eddie.draper@...> wrote:


Managed to get the stuck chuck off today.

Gripped an offcut of 1 1/4" Whitworth hexagon in the chuck.  Engaged the belt on the slowest non backgear speed, just to use the inertia to reduce shaft rotation.  Applied a 3/4" drive electric impact wrench via a socket.

30 secs later, nothing.

Removed a thin shim from both sides of the chuck end headstock bearing and clamped it up tight.  Applied both the impact wrench plus a long open ended spanner to the hexagon, and applied a 14lb hammer to the spanner.  It took a few blows, but it came off.  If the headstock spindle had still rotated, I was intending to similarly lock the other end bearing.

Note:  I had used ISO 1000 viscosity steam oil on the threads when assembling it.

Chuck run back on gently, headstock bearing shims refitted, and lathe used normally.

PHEW!

Eddie

On Monday, 13 January 2020, 09:04:35 GMT, eddie.draper@... via Groups.Io <eddie.draper@...> wrote:


Me too!  Also, I note that the illustrated machine has V belt drive and there appeares to be a gap between the pulley and the gear.  Our 14.5" has flat belt and no gap.  Ideas anyone?  I have a rather seriously stuck chuck at present, as it started to unscrew when I switched off, so to prevent it going flying, I switched back on again rather hurriedly and it seated in place with a significant bang.

I would caution against using the front diaphragm of the headstock casing as a reaction point, as it is a rather thin casting.  Whatever you do, keep the forces acting dead in line through it and do not drive a wedge between it and the bull gear, or you may fracture it out.  The dog for the bull gear to mandrel connection on the 14.5" is on the outer end, and the only exposed part is a rather slender handle that I would hesitate to use for this.

Hoping to upgrade to a similar size machine with Camlock!

Eddie


On Sunday, 12 January 2020, 19:14:49 GMT, Steven Schlegel <sc.schlegel@...> wrote:


Is the shaft square in that area, or do you get leverage off the pin? I am trying to figure out how it works.

Steven


From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> on behalf of Chips <sakr4360@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 9:21:36 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io <SouthBendLathe@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] stuck chuck
 
Newb here, first post.
Mine was stuck when I got it due to sitting for 20+ years and yes I broke a tooth on the back gear.
Make one of these from 1/4 thick plate then put it on the bull gear opposite side of the little push pin that engages the pulley. Then you can crank on the chuck.
You can thank me later.

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