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Re: Exploded Parts Diagram
Rick Kruger
Thanks. That is very helpful. Not exactly the same by any means, but very helpful.
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Rick
On 9/13/2019 8:15 PM, sblatheman via Groups.Io wrote:
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Re: Exploded Parts Diagram
Rick Kruger
Excellent. Thanks. That is what I was hoping to find. I am pleased to see the write-up on the conversion to remove the slop, using two thrust bearings. That is exactly what I was trying to do. I also found info in the PDF doc in the files section:
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"CONVERTING A SOUTH BEND HEAVY 10 SMALL DIAL CROSSFEED TO BALL/ROLLER BEARING TO REMOVE AXIAL PLAY" The ball thrust bearings I found online have a much larger OD, (0.8125"), so I'll be looking for the smaller ones referenced. Turns out the threads on "threaded sleeve" (Steve and I have been calling it a bushing, but I knew that wasn't quite right) on Steve's lathe are different - 3/4"-18. The ID of those threads in the cross slide casting (or saddle - I'm not sure as I don't have that stuff to look at directly) also seems to be larger than the thread specs suggest. They are 0.731", so the old thrust bearings I have would fit. If I can find new ones, I'll get and use them. Thanks. Rick
On 9/13/2019 8:11 PM, carbure2003 via Groups.Io wrote:
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Re: Exploded Parts Diagram
sblatheman
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On Sep 13, 2019, at 9:54 PM, Rick Kruger <krugerr@...> wrote:
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Re: Exploded Parts Diagram
carbure2003
SB 9A and 10K with large dials have two thrust bearings within the assembly. THe original is no longer available. I found substitutes that are slightly thicker. The part number I have is
AKL.FT10-HLG#E
If I recall, inside diameter is 3/8, external diameter, 0.68" (has to fit in a 3/4-NF16)
when I replaced the bearings, I compensated the thickness by thinning the shoulder on the gear assembly on the screw.
Guy Cadrin
---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Rick Kruger" <krugerr@...> To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io Subject: [SouthBendLathe] Exploded Parts Diagram Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 18:54:48 -0700 Still helping Steve Yaz with his cross slide screw repair. I have a large dial that came off a SB 9" that appears to have had thrust bearings. Is there just one set of these bearings per assembly? Steve's lathe does NOT have any thrust bearings in the dial/screw assembly. Can anyone point me to exploded parts diagrams or other drawings showing these cross slide screw assemblies, please? One such drawing for the more recent 9" lathes and one for his era of 9" would be ideal. Thanks, Rick ____________________________________________________________ Former White House Official, Issues Chilling Prediction charlesstreetresearch.com http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3242/5d7c5a98b85e5a971aa1st01vuc 
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Re: Exploded Parts Diagram
Rick Kruger
Jim,
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I looked, but didn't find what I was looking for. I did download the two that I found about large dials and will examine them in more detail soon. I believe I have the Army Manual already and will look at it too. Not surprised about the lack of documentation on older lathes. Thanks, Rick
On 9/13/2019 8:00 PM, Jim_B via Groups.Io wrote:
Also exploded drawings of Workshop 9” / Light 10 should be there.
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Re: Exploded Parts Diagram
Also exploded drawings of Workshop 9” / Light 10 should be there.
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ARMY Lathe Manual. Almost no documentation on older lathes. -8 Jim B,
On Sep 13, 2019, at 9:54 PM, Rick Kruger <krugerr@...> wrote:
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Re: Exploded Parts Diagram
In the files section of this group, and I must admit I have spent no time there, should be several How to’s on installing thrust bearings on 9” Workshop and heavy 10.
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They were on the old group. If you cannot find them let me know. There should be two thrust bearings. -8 Jim B,
On Sep 13, 2019, at 9:54 PM, Rick Kruger <krugerr@...> wrote:
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Re: Large Dial for Your Lathe - DRO instead!
Steve Yasgur
Yeah . . . I’m screwed . . . with any luck . . .
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Exploded Parts Diagram
Rick Kruger
Still helping Steve Yaz with his cross slide screw repair. I have a large dial that came off a SB 9" that appears to have had thrust bearings. Is there just one set of these bearings per assembly? Steve's lathe does NOT have any thrust bearings in the dial/screw assembly.
Can anyone point me to exploded parts diagrams or other drawings showing these cross slide screw assemblies, please? One such drawing for the more recent 9" lathes and one for his era of 9" would be ideal. Thanks, Rick
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Re: Large Dial for Your Lathe - DRO instead!
Rick Kruger
DROs would be nice. I have DROs on my mills, and now that I have a Monarch 10EE, it has (came to me with) Newall DROs on two axes. Very sweet. I never look at the dials for anything but the compound now. Maybe at a later time.
Right now, we are just trying to get the cross slide screw repaired. Whether he uses the dials or a DRO, still requires a functioning feed screw. Rick
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Re: Large Dial for Your Lathe
Steve Yasgur
Paul, that length, to be clear is 12-5/8” from the tip of the threaded shaft to the outside edge of the nut securing the handle. Doesn’t sound like a fit, given the 8 tpi, but Rick and I continue to analyze this. Thank you for responding.
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Yaz  Stevan S. Yasgur Suite 550 3300 Edinborough Way Edina, MN. 55435 (952) 893-9393  NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. This email is not, nor shall it be deemed to be, legal advice or counsel, unless the recipient already has an attorney-client relationship with the firm or me. This email does not create an attorney-client relationship. Thank you.
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Re: Large Dial for Your Lathe - DRO instead!
carbure2003
At some point I had Igaging DRO scales on both axis on my 10K. I never really used the xslide scale as it is less accurate than the dial. THe Z axis is a must. I use it everytime the machine is in use. It well worth the $70 cdn it cost me at Busy Bee store.
scale took less than 30 min.
Guy Cadrin
---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Ron Goodger" <lrgoodger@...> To: <SouthBendLathe@groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Large Dial for Your Lathe - DRO instead! Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 15:23:25 -0400 I fretted about backlash and a larger dial until I ran across this idea. I now have digital readouts on both axes and plan on putting one on the tailstock as well. You can’t beat Harbor Freight when they run a sale on them for $10 each. I can send photos of how I did it on my Heavy 10 if anyone is interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riHF9NG9GNo
Ron Goodger
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Re: Large Dial for Your Lathe - DRO instead!
Ron Goodger
I fretted about backlash and a larger dial until I ran across this idea. I now have digital readouts on both axes and plan on putting one on the tailstock as well. You can’t beat Harbor Freight when they run a sale on them for $10 each. I can send photos of how I did it on my Heavy 10 if anyone is interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riHF9NG9GNo
Ron Goodger
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Re: Large Dial for Your Lathe
Guenther Paul
Ho stevan The length of the screw is ok measuring to the back of the cross feed gear, the dia, is 0.627 with 8 threads per inch. I think the dia. may be to large for you. The dail is 1 1/2 " in dia.. There is also a nut with it GP
On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 11:57:08 PM EDT, Steve Yasgur <steve@...> wrote:
Okay, Paul. OAL is 12-5/8”; 10 tip; diameter is 0.435”. (just missed 7/16, I guess.  Stevan S. Yasgur Suite 550 3300 Edinborough Way Edina, MN. 55435 (952) 893-9393  NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. This email is not, nor shall it be deemed to be, legal advice or counsel, unless the recipient already has an attorney-client relationship with the firm or me. This email does not create an attorney-client relationship. Thank you.
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Re: Large Dial for Your Lathe
Rick Kruger
Thanks. Also, distance from rear end of screw to gear and length of gear.
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More drawings coming. Rick
On 9/12/2019 8:56 PM, Steve Yasgur via Groups.Io wrote:
Okay, Paul.
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Re: Large Dial for Your Lathe
Steve Yasgur
Okay, Paul.
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OAL is 12-5/8”; 10 tip; diameter is 0.435”. (just missed 7/16, I guess.  Stevan S. Yasgur Suite 550 3300 Edinborough Way Edina, MN. 55435 (952) 893-9393  NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. This email is not, nor shall it be deemed to be, legal advice or counsel, unless the recipient already has an attorney-client relationship with the firm or me. This email does not create an attorney-client relationship. Thank you.
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Re: Large Dial for Your Lathe
Guenther Paul
Steve Better yet i will take a picture of the screw i have and write the measurements on the picture GP
On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 01:08:33 PM EDT, Steve Yasgur <steve@...> wrote:
Paul, Hi. Steve here. (Rick’s friend) Is that by any chance a large dial cross slide feed? Rick has a large dial he could modify, but we’re trying to figure out all the steps necessary so we don’t get 7/8 of the way done and say “Aw, nuts! Not gonna fit!” Now, I know no South Bend owner would be caught dead letting those words pass his lips, but . . . just wondering. Thanks! (For your response AND the information. Steve  Stevan S. Yasgur Suite 550 3300 Edinborough Way Edina, MN. 55435 (952) 893-9393  NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. This email is not, nor shall it be deemed to be, legal advice or counsel, unless the recipient already has an attorney-client relationship with the firm or me. This email does not create an attorney-client relationship. Thank you.
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Re: Large Dial for Your Lathe
Guenther Paul
Steve Can you give me the length of the screw, the diameter and the threads per inch GP
On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 01:08:33 PM EDT, Steve Yasgur <steve@...> wrote:
Paul, Hi. Steve here. (Rick’s friend) Is that by any chance a large dial cross slide feed? Rick has a large dial he could modify, but we’re trying to figure out all the steps necessary so we don’t get 7/8 of the way done and say “Aw, nuts! Not gonna fit!” Now, I know no South Bend owner would be caught dead letting those words pass his lips, but . . . just wondering. Thanks! (For your response AND the information. Steve  Stevan S. Yasgur Suite 550 3300 Edinborough Way Edina, MN. 55435 (952) 893-9393  NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. This email is not, nor shall it be deemed to be, legal advice or counsel, unless the recipient already has an attorney-client relationship with the firm or me. This email does not create an attorney-client relationship. Thank you.
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Re: Large Dial for Your Lathe
Steve Yasgur
Paul, Hi. Steve here. (Rick’s friend)
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Is that by any chance a large dial cross slide feed? Rick has a large dial he could modify, but we’re trying to figure out all the steps necessary so we don’t get 7/8 of the way done and say “Aw, nuts! Not gonna fit!” Now, I know no South Bend owner would be caught dead letting those words pass his lips, but . . . just wondering. Thanks! (For your response AND the information. Steve  Stevan S. Yasgur Suite 550 3300 Edinborough Way Edina, MN. 55435 (952) 893-9393  NOTICE: This E-mail (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender that you have received the message in error, then delete it. This email is not, nor shall it be deemed to be, legal advice or counsel, unless the recipient already has an attorney-client relationship with the firm or me. This email does not create an attorney-client relationship. Thank you.
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Re: Large Dial for Your Lathe
Guenther Paul
Rick I have a used cross feed screw for sale that i believe comes from a 10" lathe. It come with a handle, gear and nut it is in excellent shape. GP
On Thursday, September 12, 2019, 12:40:46 PM EDT, Rick Kruger <krugerr@...> wrote:
Steve, It would be cool to have a new leadscrew by the time I get there. But, I see some challenges to getting it made so you can mount a large dial on it. I am thinking I need to have my hands on things to do the mods to get the large dial mods made, but we can figure some other ways to do it. I need to do a drawing of the large dial, one way or the other, so I'll start there. There are a couple ways to approach the whole project. A couple/three things need to happen: 1) new screw and nut made with a long enough shaft on the handle end to mount the large dial (its mounting base is longer than the threaded bushing you have): a) send your broken screw and the large dial parts to the guy (Steve?) who makes the screws/nuts (I do agree it would be good to get both a new screw AND nut) and have him figure out how to mound it and make the screw accordingly. Cost could be a major hindrance to that, even if he'd do it, b) send your broken screw to Steve with instructions to make the screw/gear/nut with a long enough dial side shaft for me to work with to mate the large dial to it, c) me make the screw and nut and either graft your existing gear or send it out to have the gear cut. I don't know if I still have contact info on the guy who made your rack gear. 2) use your existing screw/gear and figure out a way to graft new shaft to the dial side for mounting of the large dial (or existing small dial). 3) mating the large dial bushing to your saddle. a) use an existing long bushing (that I have) that is already threaded (3/4"-16), but it is quite long (3 1/4") (is shop made, not SB OEM), b) turn threads on the OEM bushing that matches the dial (none there now) (3/4" OD, 3/8" ID, 0.810" long), c) make a new bushing that matches the threaded hole and matches the dial diameter (if not clear, you will see in the drawings). I think this is the best option and most likely to succeed. I need to gin up the drawings and it will become much more clear, I believe and hope. Refer to the photos I texted of the large dial parts. But, in the immediate, I have to go feed/water Taryn's chickens. Back attcha later. Rick
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