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Re: Thumb screws

Phillip Rankin
 

Nothing special Steve. Just the typical knurling tool that came with the tool post. It does a fair job on soft metals like copper, brass, aluminum, and even soft steel if you keep the diameter below 3/4".

Re: Thumb screws

Stephen Bartlett
 

Beautiful. What kind of knurl holder did you use?

Steve Bartlett

Phillip Rankin wrote:

While Hurricane Barry was screwing around outside I took advantage of the cooler temps, went out to the garage, and fired up the ole South Bend. I've been needing to make some 1/4"-20tpi thumb screws. Today was the day.

Re: Thumb screws

Bill in OKC too
 

Beautiful! I wanna do stuff like that when I grow up! I've been cleaning in the shop so I can get to my Atlas TH42 to finish rewiring it, and de-rust my SB 10L so I can refurb it.

Bill in OKC

On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 8:39:59 PM CDT, Phillip Rankin <phillip.rankin1964@...> wrote:


While Hurricane Barry was screwing around outside I took advantage of the cooler temps, went out to the garage, and fired up the ole South Bend. I've been needing to make some 1/4"-20tpi thumb screws. Today was the day.

Thumb screws

Phillip Rankin
 

While Hurricane Barry was screwing around outside I took advantage of the cooler temps, went out to the garage, and fired up the ole South Bend. I've been needing to make some 1/4"-20tpi thumb screws. Today was the day.

Re: Hand lever turret tailstock

George Meinschein
 

The 10K is destined for my basement. 14.5 toolroom machine stays in the garage.  I've also managed to collect 9B, 9C, and half of a 9A HMDs. After so many "This is a once in a lifetime deal" finds, I had to sell the idea that the 10K with the 3 drawers will allow me to organize MY side of the basement a little better. Yeah, right. Got to maintain domestic tranquility or all is for naught!

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

   

On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 12:08 PM John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:
I love my Heavy 10L, even with the worn bed.  I replaced the single phase motor with a 3 phase and a VFD and the belt with a mig wire sewn multi-ribbed belt.  With the gearbox levers set so none of the gears turn it's very quiet.  Don't miss the noisy gears.  Stepper motor on the lead screw driving from the RHS with a 2:1 belt reduction.  Haven't gotten around to adding a second motor to the cross slide.  So no automatic threading yet.

John Dammeyer
http://www.autoartisans.com





From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io
Sent: July-13-19 7:59 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Hand lever turret tailstock

Lucky rat fink! ;)

Sheer jealousy, I'm afraid. I finally got my SB last year, after 45 years of looking for one, and missing several. Mine needs some TLC and a bit of rust removal, but it's a 10L with regular and turret tailstocks, Morse taper adapter, taper attachment, two 5-C collet closers, but only four collets, 3 jaw chuck, and only two of the three drawers. I paid about twice what you did, for the same length bed, though I believe yours doesn't have the 1-3/8" spindle through hole.

I really have to clean up my shop before I can do any more on the 10L. And make a tank I can sink the bed in to derust it. Not today, unfortunately.

Bill in OKC

On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 9:38:21 AM CDT, George Meinschein <bustedguns@...> wrote:


Soooo, I brought home a 10K yesterday, not just the hand lever turret tailstock. 4.5 foot bed.  QCGB.  UMD. South Bend chip pan metal bench with 3 drawers. 3 jaw Chuck. Faceplate.  Regular tailstock included. FIMS Model 3 QC triple tool post. South Bend 6K collets from 1/16 to 5/8 in 1/32 steps and drawbar. A couple Jacobs drill chucks and some miscellaneous tooling. S/N 32409KKX.  That makes it around 1974 I think. Machine almost looks like it was never used.  Took me about 2 hours to break it down into pieces I could manage (hand truck for the bench with the drive still inside), lug it up 5 basement stairs, and load it all into the back of my SUV.  Absolutely no idea of its history as the guy I bought it from is a house flipper and this was left in the house by the previous owner. No injuries incurred and no damage to lathe or vehicle during the move.  $500 for everything I got.  I'M A HAPPY CAMPER!
-George


On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 10:59 AM <vtsblogan@...> wrote:
It is a very useful tool to have if you have a need for it. A lot of the responders are confusing it with the bed turret. I have both- but I use them to manufacture parts for my business, and this particular tailstock is set up for drilling, which it is perfect for. It has a little over a 4" throw.

It does not replace the standard tailstock. Yes, you can put a center in it, but it is inferior to the standard tailstock for this, and the standard tailstock is better for precision short drilling.

The stops are VERY easy to set on this unit. And is VASTLY better than those turrets that go in the standard M.T. tailstock.

It is a light duty unit compared to the bed turret.

My main use involves using it in conjunction with a collet stop. Stock is .020 longer than finished piece. put in collet against stop, then using the  turret it is center drilled, drilled -3 1/2" deep thru hole, then counterbored 1" deep with a larger drill, and faced to finish size with the power crossfeed. You can see how much time is saved verses using the standard 10K tailstock where just drilling the thru hole requires at least 3 setups.



On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 19:31:43 -0400, "George Meinschein" wrote:

Ladies & Gentlemen!
There's a 10K hand lever turret tailstock available that I can probably pick up in my travels. This is NOT the bed turret!  It looks like a pretty regular tailstock except for the hand lever and the six hole turret head mounted on the end of the spindle.  Anyone think this is more useful than a regular old tailstock?  Is it basically for production applications?  Will it accept a center or would it need to be removed and replaced with a regular old tailstock to use a center?  I'm not sure if I should be excited because I found a rare jewel that's worth its weight in gold or disappointed because it's just a rare piece of junk.  Thoughts and comments please!

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com







Re: Hand lever turret tailstock

John Dammeyer
 

I love my Heavy 10L, even with the worn bed. I replaced the single phase motor with a 3 phase and a VFD and the belt with a mig wire sewn multi-ribbed belt. With the gearbox levers set so none of the gears turn it's very quiet. Don't miss the noisy gears. Stepper motor on the lead screw driving from the RHS with a 2:1 belt reduction. Haven't gotten around to adding a second motor to the cross slide. So no automatic threading yet.

John Dammeyer
http://www.autoartisans.com





From: SouthBendLathe@groups.io [mailto:SouthBendLathe@groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via Groups.Io
Sent: July-13-19 7:59 AM
To: SouthBendLathe@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthBendLathe] Hand lever turret tailstock

Lucky rat fink! ;)

Sheer jealousy, I'm afraid. I finally got my SB last year, after 45 years of looking for one, and missing several. Mine needs some TLC and a bit of rust removal, but it's a 10L with regular and turret tailstocks, Morse taper adapter, taper attachment, two 5-C collet closers, but only four collets, 3 jaw chuck, and only two of the three drawers. I paid about twice what you did, for the same length bed, though I believe yours doesn't have the 1-3/8" spindle through hole.

I really have to clean up my shop before I can do any more on the 10L. And make a tank I can sink the bed in to derust it. Not today, unfortunately.

Bill in OKC

On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 9:38:21 AM CDT, George Meinschein <bustedguns@...> wrote:


Soooo, I brought home a 10K yesterday, not just the hand lever turret tailstock. 4.5 foot bed. QCGB. UMD. South Bend chip pan metal bench with 3 drawers. 3 jaw Chuck. Faceplate. Regular tailstock included. FIMS Model 3 QC triple tool post. South Bend 6K collets from 1/16 to 5/8 in 1/32 steps and drawbar. A couple Jacobs drill chucks and some miscellaneous tooling. S/N 32409KKX. That makes it around 1974 I think. Machine almost looks like it was never used. Took me about 2 hours to break it down into pieces I could manage (hand truck for the bench with the drive still inside), lug it up 5 basement stairs, and load it all into the back of my SUV. Absolutely no idea of its history as the guy I bought it from is a house flipper and this was left in the house by the previous owner. No injuries incurred and no damage to lathe or vehicle during the move. $500 for everything I got. I'M A HAPPY CAMPER!
-George


On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 10:59 AM <vtsblogan@...> wrote:
It is a very useful tool to have if you have a need for it. A lot of the responders are confusing it with the bed turret. I have both- but I use them to manufacture parts for my business, and this particular tailstock is set up for drilling, which it is perfect for. It has a little over a 4" throw.

It does not replace the standard tailstock. Yes, you can put a center in it, but it is inferior to the standard tailstock for this, and the standard tailstock is better for precision short drilling.

The stops are VERY easy to set on this unit. And is VASTLY better than those turrets that go in the standard M.T. tailstock.

It is a light duty unit compared to the bed turret.

My main use involves using it in conjunction with a collet stop. Stock is .020 longer than finished piece. put in collet against stop, then using the turret it is center drilled, drilled -3 1/2" deep thru hole, then counterbored 1" deep with a larger drill, and faced to finish size with the power crossfeed. You can see how much time is saved verses using the standard 10K tailstock where just drilling the thru hole requires at least 3 setups.



On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 19:31:43 -0400, "George Meinschein" wrote:

Ladies & Gentlemen!
There's a 10K hand lever turret tailstock available that I can probably pick up in my travels. This is NOT the bed turret! It looks like a pretty regular tailstock except for the hand lever and the six hole turret head mounted on the end of the spindle. Anyone think this is more useful than a regular old tailstock? Is it basically for production applications? Will it accept a center or would it need to be removed and replaced with a regular old tailstock to use a center? I'm not sure if I should be excited because I found a rare jewel that's worth its weight in gold or disappointed because it's just a rare piece of junk. Thoughts and comments please!

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

Re: Hand lever turret tailstock

Bill in OKC too
 

Lucky rat fink! ;)

Sheer jealousy, I'm afraid. I finally got my SB last year, after 45 years of looking for one, and missing several. Mine needs some TLC and a bit of rust removal, but it's a 10L with regular and turret tailstocks, Morse taper adapter, taper attachment, two 5-C collet closers, but only four collets, 3 jaw chuck, and only two of the three drawers. I paid about twice what you did, for the same length bed, though I believe yours doesn't have the 1-3/8" spindle through hole.

I really have to clean up my shop before I can do any more on the 10L. And make a tank I can sink the bed in to derust it. Not today, unfortunately.

Bill in OKC

On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 9:38:21 AM CDT, George Meinschein <bustedguns@...> wrote:


Soooo, I brought home a 10K yesterday, not just the hand lever turret tailstock. 4.5 foot bed.  QCGB.  UMD. South Bend chip pan metal bench with 3 drawers. 3 jaw Chuck. Faceplate.  Regular tailstock included. FIMS Model 3 QC triple tool post. South Bend 6K collets from 1/16 to 5/8 in 1/32 steps and drawbar. A couple Jacobs drill chucks and some miscellaneous tooling. S/N 32409KKX.  That makes it around 1974 I think. Machine almost looks like it was never used.  Took me about 2 hours to break it down into pieces I could manage (hand truck for the bench with the drive still inside), lug it up 5 basement stairs, and load it all into the back of my SUV.  Absolutely no idea of its history as the guy I bought it from is a house flipper and this was left in the house by the previous owner. No injuries incurred and no damage to lathe or vehicle during the move.  $500 for everything I got.  I'M A HAPPY CAMPER!
-George


On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 10:59 AM <vtsblogan@...> wrote:
It is a very useful tool to have if you have a need for it. A lot of the responders are confusing it with the bed turret. I have both- but I use them to manufacture parts for my business, and this particular tailstock is set up for drilling, which it is perfect for. It has a little over a 4" throw.

It does not replace the standard tailstock. Yes, you can put a center in it, but it is inferior to the standard tailstock for this, and the standard tailstock is better for precision short drilling.

The stops are VERY easy to set on this unit. And is VASTLY better than those turrets that go in the standard M.T. tailstock.

It is a light duty unit compared to the bed turret.

My main use involves using it in conjunction with a collet stop. Stock is .020 longer than finished piece. put in collet against stop, then using the  turret it is center drilled, drilled -3 1/2" deep thru hole, then counterbored 1" deep with a larger drill, and faced to finish size with the power crossfeed. You can see how much time is saved verses using the standard 10K tailstock where just drilling the thru hole requires at least 3 setups.

 

On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 19:31:43 -0400, "George Meinschein" wrote:
 
Ladies & Gentlemen!
There's a 10K hand lever turret tailstock available that I can probably pick up in my travels. This is NOT the bed turret!  It looks like a pretty regular tailstock except for the hand lever and the six hole turret head mounted on the end of the spindle.  Anyone think this is more useful than a regular old tailstock?  Is it basically for production applications?  Will it accept a center or would it need to be removed and replaced with a regular old tailstock to use a center?  I'm not sure if I should be excited because I found a rare jewel that's worth its weight in gold or disappointed because it's just a rare piece of junk.  Thoughts and comments please!
 
Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

   

Re: Hand lever turret tailstock

Steven H
 

Congrats. Post some photos once you get the lathe set up.

Steve Haskell

On Jul 13, 2019, at 10:38 AM, George Meinschein <bustedguns@...> wrote:

Soooo, I brought home a 10K yesterday, not just the hand lever turret tailstock. 4.5 foot bed.  QCGB.  UMD. South Bend chip pan metal bench with 3 drawers. 3 jaw Chuck. Faceplate.  Regular tailstock included. FIMS Model 3 QC triple tool post. South Bend 6K collets from 1/16 to 5/8 in 1/32 steps and drawbar. A couple Jacobs drill chucks and some miscellaneous tooling. S/N 32409KKX.  That makes it around 1974 I think. Machine almost looks like it was never used.  Took me about 2 hours to break it down into pieces I could manage (hand truck for the bench with the drive still inside), lug it up 5 basement stairs, and load it all into the back of my SUV.  Absolutely no idea of its history as the guy I bought it from is a house flipper and this was left in the house by the previous owner. No injuries incurred and no damage to lathe or vehicle during the move.  $500 for everything I got.  I'M A HAPPY CAMPER!
-George


On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 10:59 AM <vtsblogan@...> wrote:
It is a very useful tool to have if you have a need for it. A lot of the responders are confusing it with the bed turret. I have both- but I use them to manufacture parts for my business, and this particular tailstock is set up for drilling, which it is perfect for. It has a little over a 4" throw.

It does not replace the standard tailstock. Yes, you can put a center in it, but it is inferior to the standard tailstock for this, and the standard tailstock is better for precision short drilling.

The stops are VERY easy to set on this unit. And is VASTLY better than those turrets that go in the standard M.T. tailstock.

It is a light duty unit compared to the bed turret.

My main use involves using it in conjunction with a collet stop. Stock is .020 longer than finished piece. put in collet against stop, then using the  turret it is center drilled, drilled -3 1/2" deep thru hole, then counterbored 1" deep with a larger drill, and faced to finish size with the power crossfeed. You can see how much time is saved verses using the standard 10K tailstock where just drilling the thru hole requires at least 3 setups.

 

On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 19:31:43 -0400, "George Meinschein" wrote:
 
Ladies & Gentlemen!
There's a 10K hand lever turret tailstock available that I can probably pick up in my travels. This is NOT the bed turret!  It looks like a pretty regular tailstock except for the hand lever and the six hole turret head mounted on the end of the spindle.  Anyone think this is more useful than a regular old tailstock?  Is it basically for production applications?  Will it accept a center or would it need to be removed and replaced with a regular old tailstock to use a center?  I'm not sure if I should be excited because I found a rare jewel that's worth its weight in gold or disappointed because it's just a rare piece of junk.  Thoughts and comments please!
 
Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

   

Re: Hand lever turret tailstock

George Meinschein
 

Soooo, I brought home a 10K yesterday, not just the hand lever turret tailstock. 4.5 foot bed.  QCGB.  UMD. South Bend chip pan metal bench with 3 drawers. 3 jaw Chuck. Faceplate.  Regular tailstock included. FIMS Model 3 QC triple tool post. South Bend 6K collets from 1/16 to 5/8 in 1/32 steps and drawbar. A couple Jacobs drill chucks and some miscellaneous tooling. S/N 32409KKX.  That makes it around 1974 I think. Machine almost looks like it was never used.  Took me about 2 hours to break it down into pieces I could manage (hand truck for the bench with the drive still inside), lug it up 5 basement stairs, and load it all into the back of my SUV.  Absolutely no idea of its history as the guy I bought it from is a house flipper and this was left in the house by the previous owner. No injuries incurred and no damage to lathe or vehicle during the move.  $500 for everything I got.  I'M A HAPPY CAMPER!
-George


On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 10:59 AM <vtsblogan@...> wrote:
It is a very useful tool to have if you have a need for it. A lot of the responders are confusing it with the bed turret. I have both- but I use them to manufacture parts for my business, and this particular tailstock is set up for drilling, which it is perfect for. It has a little over a 4" throw.

It does not replace the standard tailstock. Yes, you can put a center in it, but it is inferior to the standard tailstock for this, and the standard tailstock is better for precision short drilling.

The stops are VERY easy to set on this unit. And is VASTLY better than those turrets that go in the standard M.T. tailstock.

It is a light duty unit compared to the bed turret.

My main use involves using it in conjunction with a collet stop. Stock is .020 longer than finished piece. put in collet against stop, then using the  turret it is center drilled, drilled -3 1/2" deep thru hole, then counterbored 1" deep with a larger drill, and faced to finish size with the power crossfeed. You can see how much time is saved verses using the standard 10K tailstock where just drilling the thru hole requires at least 3 setups.

 

On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 19:31:43 -0400, "George Meinschein" wrote:
 
Ladies & Gentlemen!
There's a 10K hand lever turret tailstock available that I can probably pick up in my travels. This is NOT the bed turret!  It looks like a pretty regular tailstock except for the hand lever and the six hole turret head mounted on the end of the spindle.  Anyone think this is more useful than a regular old tailstock?  Is it basically for production applications?  Will it accept a center or would it need to be removed and replaced with a regular old tailstock to use a center?  I'm not sure if I should be excited because I found a rare jewel that's worth its weight in gold or disappointed because it's just a rare piece of junk.  Thoughts and comments please!
 
Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

   

Re: Hand lever turret tailstock

vtsblogan@...
 

It is a very useful tool to have if you have a need for it. A lot of the responders are confusing it with the bed turret. I have both- but I use them to manufacture parts for my business, and this particular tailstock is set up for drilling, which it is perfect for. It has a little over a 4" throw.

It does not replace the standard tailstock. Yes, you can put a center in it, but it is inferior to the standard tailstock for this, and the standard tailstock is better for precision short drilling.

The stops are VERY easy to set on this unit. And is VASTLY better than those turrets that go in the standard M.T. tailstock.

It is a light duty unit compared to the bed turret.

My main use involves using it in conjunction with a collet stop. Stock is .020 longer than finished piece. put in collet against stop, then using the  turret it is center drilled, drilled -3 1/2" deep thru hole, then counterbored 1" deep with a larger drill, and faced to finish size with the power crossfeed. You can see how much time is saved verses using the standard 10K tailstock where just drilling the thru hole requires at least 3 setups.

 

On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 19:31:43 -0400, "George Meinschein" wrote:
 
Ladies & Gentlemen!
There's a 10K hand lever turret tailstock available that I can probably pick up in my travels. This is NOT the bed turret!  It looks like a pretty regular tailstock except for the hand lever and the six hole turret head mounted on the end of the spindle.  Anyone think this is more useful than a regular old tailstock?  Is it basically for production applications?  Will it accept a center or would it need to be removed and replaced with a regular old tailstock to use a center?  I'm not sure if I should be excited because I found a rare jewel that's worth its weight in gold or disappointed because it's just a rare piece of junk.  Thoughts and comments please!
 
Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

   

Re: Hand lever turret tailstock

Ondrej Krejci
 

Howdy,

Any turret set-up is for production:  in this case, spot or centre drill, centre and turn or drill, tap or stab, ream, c´bore, etc..  Setting up the stops takes time which favours a larger part count instead of onesie-twoies work.
May be for collectability, because of rarity, it could be worth something, otherwise, SB lathes not being much for high production, it´s more of a small boat anchor and not worth fitting to a different lathe.

OK

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019, 07:59:18 PM EDT, Steven H via Groups.Io <stevesmachining@...> wrote:


Yes, you can install a solid center in one of the spots. I suppose you could modify a ball bearing center and mount that also. And yes, the idea behind a turret is for making multiple parts. Be nice to have if “the price is right”.

You can also purchase a “revolving tailstock turret” with a Morse taper shank that will fit in a standard tailstock, see www.shars.com #202-5500.

Steve Haskell


On Jul 10, 2019, at 7:31 PM, George Meinschein <bustedguns@...> wrote:

Ladies & Gentlemen!
There's a 10K hand lever turret tailstock available that I can probably pick up in my travels. This is NOT the bed turret!  It looks like a pretty regular tailstock except for the hand lever and the six hole turret head mounted on the end of the spindle.  Anyone think this is more useful than a regular old tailstock?  Is it basically for production applications?  Will it accept a center or would it need to be removed and replaced with a regular old tailstock to use a center?  I'm not sure if I should be excited because I found a rare jewel that's worth its weight in gold or disappointed because it's just a rare piece of junk.  Thoughts and comments please!

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

   

Re: Hand lever turret tailstock

Steven H
 

Yes, you can install a solid center in one of the spots. I suppose you could modify a ball bearing center and mount that also. And yes, the idea behind a turret is for making multiple parts. Be nice to have if “the price is right”.

You can also purchase a “revolving tailstock turret” with a Morse taper shank that will fit in a standard tailstock, see www.shars.com #202-5500.

Steve Haskell


On Jul 10, 2019, at 7:31 PM, George Meinschein <bustedguns@...> wrote:

Ladies & Gentlemen!
There's a 10K hand lever turret tailstock available that I can probably pick up in my travels. This is NOT the bed turret!  It looks like a pretty regular tailstock except for the hand lever and the six hole turret head mounted on the end of the spindle.  Anyone think this is more useful than a regular old tailstock?  Is it basically for production applications?  Will it accept a center or would it need to be removed and replaced with a regular old tailstock to use a center?  I'm not sure if I should be excited because I found a rare jewel that's worth its weight in gold or disappointed because it's just a rare piece of junk.  Thoughts and comments please!

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

   

Re: Hand lever turret tailstock

Jim_B
 

I have seen one or two but I have never used one. It’s very useful for production. 
I believe the positions have SHORT MT id’s. 
You could set it up with a stop first,   to set the amount of stock sticking out of the collet. Then a center drill. Then a drill then counter bore or counter sink 
Those along with multiple bed stops would almost automate the work. 
It should take a center but they, as I remember, are very short and may need to be shop made or modified standard ones. 

-8
Jim B,

On Jul 10, 2019, at 7:31 PM, George Meinschein <bustedguns@...> wrote:

Ladies & Gentlemen!
There's a 10K hand lever turret tailstock available that I can probably pick up in my travels. This is NOT the bed turret!  It looks like a pretty regular tailstock except for the hand lever and the six hole turret head mounted on the end of the spindle.  Anyone think this is more useful than a regular old tailstock?  Is it basically for production applications?  Will it accept a center or would it need to be removed and replaced with a regular old tailstock to use a center?  I'm not sure if I should be excited because I found a rare jewel that's worth its weight in gold or disappointed because it's just a rare piece of junk.  Thoughts and comments please!

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

   

--
Jim B

Re: Hand lever turret tailstock

mike allen
 

        ya can get those turret's that have a MT that will fit in yer tailstock

        animal

On 7/10/2019 4:31 PM, George Meinschein wrote:
Ladies & Gentlemen!
There's a 10K hand lever turret tailstock available that I can probably pick up in my travels. This is NOT the bed turret!  It looks like a pretty regular tailstock except for the hand lever and the six hole turret head mounted on the end of the spindle.  Anyone think this is more useful than a regular old tailstock?  Is it basically for production applications?  Will it accept a center or would it need to be removed and replaced with a regular old tailstock to use a center?  I'm not sure if I should be excited because I found a rare jewel that's worth its weight in gold or disappointed because it's just a rare piece of junk.  Thoughts and comments please!

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
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Re: Hand lever turret tailstock

Nelson Collar
 

George
I do not see any reason a center could be placed in the turret for normal cutting between centers. 
My opinion though.
Nelson

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019, 06:32:02 PM CDT, George Meinschein <bustedguns@...> wrote:


Ladies & Gentlemen!
There's a 10K hand lever turret tailstock available that I can probably pick up in my travels. This is NOT the bed turret!  It looks like a pretty regular tailstock except for the hand lever and the six hole turret head mounted on the end of the spindle.  Anyone think this is more useful than a regular old tailstock?  Is it basically for production applications?  Will it accept a center or would it need to be removed and replaced with a regular old tailstock to use a center?  I'm not sure if I should be excited because I found a rare jewel that's worth its weight in gold or disappointed because it's just a rare piece of junk.  Thoughts and comments please!

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

   

Hand lever turret tailstock

George Meinschein
 

Ladies & Gentlemen!
There's a 10K hand lever turret tailstock available that I can probably pick up in my travels. This is NOT the bed turret!  It looks like a pretty regular tailstock except for the hand lever and the six hole turret head mounted on the end of the spindle.  Anyone think this is more useful than a regular old tailstock?  Is it basically for production applications?  Will it accept a center or would it need to be removed and replaced with a regular old tailstock to use a center?  I'm not sure if I should be excited because I found a rare jewel that's worth its weight in gold or disappointed because it's just a rare piece of junk.  Thoughts and comments please!

Thanks,
George H. Meinschein, P.E.

Meinschein Engineering Consultants, LLC
150 Brittany Drive
Freehold, NJ 07728-1500

Email: george.meinschein@...
Direct Dial: 732-409-0778
Cell: 732-580-1736
Fax: 732-358-0369
www.meinscheinengineering.com

   

Re: Looking to buy a handwheel for apron for Heavy 10

eddie.draper@btinternet.com
 

I have had exactly the same problem on my steam loco renovation.  One or two joints in the valve gear are held together by a collar and tapered pin rather than a washer and plain spit pin.  2 collars went missing over the 19 years the job has been ongoing, but the chassis is now finished awaiting the boiler, promised back from the contractor at the end of September.

This is what I did after turning a new collar:

1.  Place tapererd pin in hole in spindle and, by eye, scribe a line across the end of the spindle as close to aligning with it as you can.

2. Measure distance of hole centre from shoulder.

3.  Drill a hole a the same size as the small end of the tapered hole in the spindle into the collar at the right distance from the face that abuts the shoulder.

4.  Fit the collar to the spindle, then put your small drill in the hole as far as it will go, and wiggle the collar around till it is central, then continue the scribed line across the collar.

5.  Centre pop the second side of the collar and drill slightly larger than the second side, but not so big the taper pin enters to full depth.

6.  Get busy with a round needle file till the taper pin enters decently and finally remove the absolute minimum metal with the taper reamer.  You can make your own taper reamer from silver steel (USA "drill rod"?) by turning on the taper, flatting to exacly half the diameter and hardening.

Caution:  Metric standard taper is the nice round 1 in 50, Imperial is the nice round 1/4" per foot which is 1 in 48.  And yes, it does matter if torque transmission or vibration are present.

Cheers,

Eddie

On Tuesday, 9 July 2019, 00:55:13 BST, Jim_B <jim@...> wrote:


Yes John a mil could be substituted for the lathe, but you are still stuck finding the correct and\gle and offset in order to drill a matching hole in the hand wheel collar so the taper pin fits both the shaft and the collar without drilling another hole in the shaft. 
Of course drilling a second hole is always an option. 

Sent from my MacBook
Jim B.




On Jul 8, 2019, at 7:34 PM, John Losch <johnlosch32@...> wrote:

To all:

I may be walking into it here, but I have to ask:  If a vertical miller is available, couldn’t the hand wheel shaft be loosely fitted into a vise with a vee block, a drill suitable to the shaft hole, held in the headstock, and the shaft and drill manipulated until there is a “free feel" to the drill?  Perhaps a tapered reamer could be “jiggled” to assure alignments afterward.  This might be as sensitive as trying to fit a level in Jim’s procedure.  I would proceed as Jim has suggested, using super glue, spotting center, and drilling very cautiously.  Not as easily, I suspect the same thing could be done with an horizontal miller.  (Lucky me:  I have both.) 

I am probably missing some important point, so have at it.  I am not sensitive to being corrected.

Jcl 






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Jim B

Re: Looking to buy a handwheel for apron for Heavy 10

Jim_B
 

Yes John a mil could be substituted for the lathe, but you are still stuck finding the correct and\gle and offset in order to drill a matching hole in the hand wheel collar so the taper pin fits both the shaft and the collar without drilling another hole in the shaft. 
Of course drilling a second hole is always an option. 

Sent from my MacBook
Jim B.




On Jul 8, 2019, at 7:34 PM, John Losch <johnlosch32@...> wrote:

To all:

I may be walking into it here, but I have to ask:  If a vertical miller is available, couldn’t the hand wheel shaft be loosely fitted into a vise with a vee block, a drill suitable to the shaft hole, held in the headstock, and the shaft and drill manipulated until there is a “free feel" to the drill?  Perhaps a tapered reamer could be “jiggled” to assure alignments afterward.  This might be as sensitive as trying to fit a level in Jim’s procedure.  I would proceed as Jim has suggested, using super glue, spotting center, and drilling very cautiously.  Not as easily, I suspect the same thing could be done with an horizontal miller.  (Lucky me:  I have both.) 

I am probably missing some important point, so have at it.  I am not sensitive to being corrected.

Jcl 






--
Jim B

Re: Looking to buy a handwheel for apron for Heavy 10

John Losch
 

To all:

I may be walking into it here, but I have to ask:  If a vertical miller is available, couldn’t the hand wheel shaft be loosely fitted into a vise with a vee block, a drill suitable to the shaft hole, held in the headstock, and the shaft and drill manipulated until there is a “free feel" to the drill?  Perhaps a tapered reamer could be “jiggled” to assure alignments afterward.  This might be as sensitive as trying to fit a level in Jim’s procedure.  I would proceed as Jim has suggested, using super glue, spotting center, and drilling very cautiously.  Not as easily, I suspect the same thing could be done with an horizontal miller.  (Lucky me:  I have both.) 

I am probably missing some important point, so have at it.  I am not sensitive to being corrected.

Jcl 




On Jul 8, 2019, at 7:07 PM, Guenther Paul <paulguenter@...> wrote:

Jim you don't have to post pictures for me but it may be help full to others 

GP


On Monday, July 8, 2019, 12:21:24 PM EDT, Jim_B <jim@...> wrote:


Yes you can find similar hand wheels at Both McMasters and MSC. 
They will work but need to be fitted to the Heavy 10 shaft. 
Now a word of caution. SB did not take grate pains when installing taper pins. They are not necessarily on center or perpendicular to the shaft and no two are the same. 

I have been able to match new wheels to old shafts by holding the old shaft in a collet or chuck. Setting my shop made cross drilling attachment to match the angle and offset and then drilling through the new collar. 

If you want I can post a how-to


Sent from my MacBook
Jim B.




On Jul 8, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Guenther Paul <paulguenter@...> wrote:

Jim 
If you cant find a used hand wheel you can get one a McMaster Carr  you may have to do some machining on it

GP


On Monday, July 8, 2019, 10:09:18 AM EDT, Jim_B <jim@...> wrote:


Try Ted


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Jim B,

On Jul 8, 2019, at 9:19 AM, vinnito1 via Groups.Io <vinnito1@...> wrote:

I recently purchased a 1941 10L that has a damaged handwheel on the apron. Does anyone have a spare that they would be willing to sell to me.

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Jim B


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Jim B

Re: Looking to buy a handwheel for apron for Heavy 10

Guenther Paul
 

Jim you don't have to post pictures for me but it may be help full to others 

GP


On Monday, July 8, 2019, 12:21:24 PM EDT, Jim_B <jim@...> wrote:


Yes you can find similar hand wheels at Both McMasters and MSC. 
They will work but need to be fitted to the Heavy 10 shaft. 
Now a word of caution. SB did not take grate pains when installing taper pins. They are not necessarily on center or perpendicular to the shaft and no two are the same. 

I have been able to match new wheels to old shafts by holding the old shaft in a collet or chuck. Setting my shop made cross drilling attachment to match the angle and offset and then drilling through the new collar. 

If you want I can post a how-to


Sent from my MacBook
Jim B.




On Jul 8, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Guenther Paul <paulguenter@...> wrote:

Jim 
If you cant find a used hand wheel you can get one a McMaster Carr  you may have to do some machining on it

GP


On Monday, July 8, 2019, 10:09:18 AM EDT, Jim_B <jim@...> wrote:


Try Ted


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Jim B,

On Jul 8, 2019, at 9:19 AM, vinnito1 via Groups.Io <vinnito1@...> wrote:

I recently purchased a 1941 10L that has a damaged handwheel on the apron. Does anyone have a spare that they would be willing to sell to me.

--
Jim B


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Jim B