Re: SB Lathes, Lathes, Lathes, Lathes... the uber New England auction!!!


john kling
 

I not sure why  OT. The thread started as indicated and soon mentioned that a lot of school shop equipment is on the market from the elimination of shop programs. It was asked why are these programs going away. It the progressed into policy related to the labor market for those with machinist skills. Of course, many have opinions or even training related to economic policy. All of this is, perhaps, unfortunate but natural.


From: m. allan noah
To: "SOUTHBENDLATHE@..."
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] SB Lathes, Lathes, Lathes, Lathes... the uber New England auction!!!

 
Actually, it would be even better if these crotchety old geezers would get out to the shop and build something :)

allan


On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:27 AM, <nfwood@...> wrote:
 
All, It would be helpful if you could label these off topic messages by inserting OT in the subject line so the people who are interested can read them and those who want to read about South Bend lathes could read the lathe stuff.

Thanks

Nelson Wood


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From: Rick Lathrop <rickv100@...>
To: SOUTHBENDLATHE <SOUTHBENDLATHE@...>
Sent: Tue, Mar 25, 2014 9:30 am
Subject: Re: [SOUTHBENDLATHE] SB Lathes, Lathes, Lathes, Lathes... the uber New England auction!!!

Gregg, It is a stealth tax increase. The government will make more in taxes if the minimum wage increases. Rick > On Mar 24, 2014, at 11:46 PM, Gregg Eshelman <g_alan_e@...> wrote: > >> On 3/24/2014 12:58 PM, Rick v100 wrote: >> >> >> We live in an international labor market. If an industry needs more >> workers they use the MBA business types to find the cheapest option. >> >> Any manufacturing growth in the US is going to the Southeastern US right >> to work states. >> >> India and China generate enough engineering majors to make up for the >> shortfall in the US. > > Go to adhuntr.com and search for CNC. There are a large number of jobs > available. That also turns up some jobs available for manual machinists, > sales reps for CNC machines, machining and CNC operator and programmer > classes etc. > > The jobs are there but the American schools are mostly turning away from > teaching how to do such work. > > Look up what Hardinge has done with their purchase of Bridgeport. The > old company could not modernize thanks to their labor contracts. Some of > their castings were even sent overseas to be machined then shipped back > to the USA because it was cheaper than paying labor costs here. > > Hardinge built a whole new production line, in only 15,000 square feet, > using about half as many machines. The old Bridgeport plant could make > 400 knee mills a month. The new plant can make 300, but can easily be > expanded to 400 or more. > > Things change, companies must be able to make changes or they won't be > in business. > > The cost of living in most other countries is far, far less than in the > USA so those "slave wages" (which is an oxymoron, slaves got paid > nothing at all) are either equivalent to the USA or even better. In > Central America a college education runs about $700 a year. On > "Undercover Boss" the owner of Dutch Bros. Coffee went to the plantation > where the coffee beans his company uses are grown. The manager's son > wanted to go to college, so the boss asked how much then just gave them > the money, plus a vacation to the USA for the entire family, and IIRC > several thousand for them to do whatever they wanted with. The > equivalent in the USA would probably be well over $50,000. > > Ever increasing wages do only one thing, cause ever increasing prices. > Right now, less than 3% of American workers are getting paid minimum > wage, most of those are just starting work, they either don't continue > in the job because they can't or won't do the work, or they get a raise > after the training period. > > Raise the federal minimum wage to $10 from $7.25 and the percentage of > workers making "only" minimum wage will go up, temporarily. (And certain > politicians will cry and moan on TV about the huge number of people only > making minimum wage.) Then everyone now making between minimum and $10 > will be expecting/demanding an equivalent raise. > > That will put even more pressure on companies to increase efficiency, > reduce the number of jobs, increase the use of robots and automation, > and of course RAISE PRICES. > > This cycle has been going on since the beginning of the industrial > revolution and the introduction of mandatory minimum wages. Some > countries enacted minimum wages in the 1800's and now have both higher > wages and even higher prices than do we. > > Raise the minimum wage to $10 an hour and that Carl's Jr. "Six Dollar > Burger" will have to be renamed the "Ten Dollar Burger" because the > price will have to be raised to $8.95 (it's nearly $6 now) - and the > same will happen with everything else, food, clothes, cars - everything > where there's any human workers involved. 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