Re: servoII controller
Hi Dan,
I have altered the check boxes and the mount moves the correct way in Servo Config. But when I use the hand control buttons in SiTech .95P up and down are reversed again. Nigel
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Re: what you can and can't do with SiTechExe under Linux
Don W
Hi Mark,
The proper setting of the PIDs is not precise. Settings work over a wide range of settings. But you want tthe settings to give you smooth motion of the servos. What you want to check when adjusting the PIDs is for the servos to operate smoothly and quietly (no vibration or jerkyness) from barely moving to full speed. So run the servos at tracking speed and also at slewing speed, touch the servo to feel vibration and listen to sound for smooth operation. You may make changes to settings and not see or feel a difference - that's OK. Don W
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Re: what you can and can't do with SiTechExe under Linux
Mark Copper
Progress, I think.
Running ServoConfig on a MS Windows box, I cut the PID integral in half to 1250 and doubled the PID derivative to 8000. I wasn't able to run SiTechExe095jLinux_ on the MS Windows box, so I switched back to the Linux box and fired up SiTechExe. There the handpad worked in both azimuth directions (cool!). Next I was able to load 2 cal stars and tracking error as reported in the SiTechExe numbers tab remained negligible. No oscillation! This was all in daylight and further testing is needed (I will be away from the scope for several weeks and would like to post this before I go). But I am grateful to Dan for this suggestion. I would like to learn more about the PID control -- I guess that's what differentiates servo from stepper. I also wonder if I should try to tune the motors more precisely following the procedure in the ServoConfig manual.
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Re: what you can and can't do with SiTechExe under Linux
Mark Copper
I have made a little progress on this.
GNU C contains a structure for low-level terminal communication that works just fine with the SiTech Servo Controller I (as you might expect). With this, it is possible to write C snippets that execute the commands in the SiTech Serial Protocol directly from the Linux computer connected to the controller. In particular, I have a program that runs the "XXR" command, and the controller responds nice and smoothly. (I kept the speed down so no hardhat was needed!) So with a coded formula that computes motor counts for (alt,az) as a function of (time,RA,Dec), one can write a primitive piecewise tracking program as well. It really gives me an appreciation for the work that must have gone into SiTechExe.exe! I'm not sure I understand Dan's suggestion about tuning the motors, but I should emphasize that the controller itself performs flawlessly with Nexus DSC and under MS Windows with Voyager so far as I know.
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Re: DSCT-1 questions
Dan Gray
the TTL has the advantage that it pulls the signal high instead of letting it float. It will probably work with either because we have pullups on the controller. Dan
On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 1:41 PM Don W <westergren@...> wrote: Hi v,
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Re: "pulse" tracking in SiTechExe
Dan Gray
Mark, what encoder mode(s) are you using? There's not enough resolution for cascade mode, but tick management would be a good choice. I'm pretty sure it's not a linux version issue. The linux version will run under windows too, so you could test it using the same configuration with a windows machine to see if it does the same thing. 95J is a fairly recent version, 95U fixes some comet/asteroid/satellite download issues. I'll compile a 95U for linux and post it a bit later today. Dan
On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 9:48 AM Mark Copper <mlcopper@...> wrote: Hi Don,
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Re: what you can and can't do with SiTechExe under Linux
Dan Gray
Mark, sounds like the servo motors need to be tuned. There is no difference in linux than windows as far as I know. Increase derivative, reduce integral. What is the SiTechExe version you're running? It should say on skyview or if you make the sitech window wider. If it's too old, I could recompile you a later version Dan
On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 2:56 PM Mark Copper <mlcopper@...> wrote:
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Re: Stars drift with high resolution encoders
Dan Gray
Joerg, can you let us know the encoder part number? The magnetic encoders have a lot of interpolation error. We should look this up. My guess, that's the problem. Dan
On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 7:44 AM <Joerg> <joeps@...> wrote:
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Re: Mount not initialized
Dan Gray
Hi Roger, most folks on this group use SiTechExe. Not too many of us are that familiar with Planewave STI. But my guess is you simply need to initialize on a star, do a platesolve, or something. Unless you have absolute encoders, or home switches, you'll need to do this. Also, you can get it initialized, and then set up a park position, this will initialize on the "Unpark" command. You can try SiTechExe, it's a bit clunkier, but it's been developed over a period of 15 years, and has most any feature you need. The latest installer is here: Dan
On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 8:33 AM <yoro@...> wrote: Hello to all,
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Re: servoII controller
Dan Gray
Hi Nigel, Gary is on the right track, but you can't do it with those buttons. You have to click on "Edit Parameters" and use the check boxes near the bottom of the screen. If the motor works, but goes the wrong way, simply change both of the checkboxes for the motor. If they're on, turn them off, and vice versa. click ok, and save to controller. Dan
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 4:03 AM Gary Hug <garyhug@...> wrote: Hi Nigel,
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Mount not initialized
Hello to all,
Being a newcomer to this group, just hope you will forgive these first steps towards reaching optimal parameters for my new Planewave 200hr mount using the SiTech controler. I also have further questions pertaining to optimal settings, but first things first! Purchased a hand pad (was missing, but that's another story!) from SiTech, and proceeded forward. After downloading and installing SiTech and related Planewave stuff , I launched the controler. The controler went in the INITIALIZING mode, but after 4 or 5 seconds, it came up with a NOT INITIALIZED response. Problem surely lies in front of the screen here! Must have missed something... PLS disregard CONTROLER INFO/PAN commands, as this printscreen was taken afterwards! In any case, your take on this will assure that I'm going in the right direction ;-) this being the first of a couple of issues (later!). Best regards to everyone. Roger Venne |
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Updated TLEs for maneuvering LEO satellites
jmgoldba
Recent post over at le SkyChart about this. Not sure if it's worth the bother on the SiTech end but interesting for LEO observers. -Jesse
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Re: Track past Meridian 95p
pburke@...
Hi Don....(and Dan) Thanks for working on this problem with me... What I thought was a polluted model actually turned out to be another culprit.... This was my RGSZ 20 scale tape that was on the Ra axis... for 6 years!
Replaced the scale.. checked both TPR for the encoder and motor... And works great now! Thanks, Paul
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Re: "siteching" a Celestron CI-700?
jervisbayastro
Dave,
I went down that same rabbit hole but can't find the end now. Digging back through my CI-700 'database" I have found other CI-700 related info I've collected plus there could be a copy of the original "Hercules" page files and photos. I haven't worked out how to reconstruct it yet but there appear to be some photos which may be of use. I'll have a dig through it. In my original reply I conflated what I thought I remembered of that site with this one regarding the thrust bearing mod. http://www.skydude.me/ci700mods.html Not sure if this page is relevant. https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/374428-why-am-i-wrong-synscan-upgrade-on-a-ci-700/page-2 A CI-700 OnStep conversion in french, but the photos don't need translation :) https://www.webastro.net/forums/topic/168576-onstep-celestron-ci700/ I think the attachment is from the CN archive.
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Re: "siteching" a Celestron CI-700?
I take that back - it looks like the actually content pages were not archived. :-(
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Re: "siteching" a Celestron CI-700?
Col,
I found the linked website on the internet archive (an excellent site for finding old content back as far as the mid 90s!). See: https://web.archive.org/web/20041125031511/http://www.geocities.com/jgfusco3/CI-700Hercules.html --- Dave
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Re: servoII controller
Gary Hug
Hi Nigel,
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Go To your Servo Configuration (not SiTech.exe) and on the first screen find where it says Azimuth/RA YBits and just below that find Invert Motor Encoder and Invert motor and just click on both blue boxes. It should change the direction of your RA drive. cheers Gary
On 8/14/2021 5:40 AM, Nigel wrote:
Hello, I have just replaced my Servo II Controller. The problem I am having is if I press the Left button on the handpad or the onscreen panel the mount slews right. I believe the mount is also tracking in the wrong direction.
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servoII controller
Nigel
Hello, I have just replaced my Servo II Controller. The problem I am having is if I press the Left button on the handpad or the onscreen panel the mount slews right. I believe the mount is also tracking in the wrong direction.
Any help would be appreciated. Nigel
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Re: "siteching" a Celestron CI-700?
jervisbayastro
Hi Dave,
I have a CI-700 waiting for a goto conversion but lack of parts and machining skills has stalled it for now. My research took me to a few sites including Cloudy Nights and Jim Fusco's CI-700 upgrade https://astromart.com/reviews-and-articles/reviews/telescopes/show/ci-700-hercules. Unfortunately the link to his notes etc no longer seems to be accessible but at some point in the past I was able to see what he. Consequently I acquired the NTA-4860 needle roller bearings he used to replace the existing thrust surfaces to improve the rotation of the RA and Dec. I may have some other references to CI-700 mods if you're interested. Regards, Col Shepherd
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Re: "siteching" a Celestron CI-700?
Joshua Hufford
Well, free is certainly good! I would certainly try not to image with the C14 on this mount, I think that would really be pushing it. The other poor design of this mount is the clutch system, the tighter you make the clutch the more friction there is to movement of each axis and more load on each motor. From what I understand the clutches are actually designed to slip when you want to move the scope to a new target, then the scope begins to track again when you stop moving. Honestly, if the drives still work on the mount, I would probably just use it for visual observing with the stock drive, this mount is not the best candidate for converting to GOTO. BTW I believe I have mounting brackets for encoders if you would be interested, the encoders have been repurposed, but I still have the brackets. It is neat that you designed the Kendrick Dew controller, I think it is a fantastic unit. I actually have 2 of them, both bought used. One of them has a failure, either the temperature or humidity doesn't sense properly (don't remember which one now). My friend Anthony uses it and just sets the heat percentage manually. The other one I have still works perfectly. I always thought this was a great design, great job! I don't think they are sold any more? Josh
On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 7:26 AM Dave Lane <dave@...> wrote: Thanks Joshua, for the detailed reply and pictures. I originally thought it might have been built by Losmandy, but my googling would indicate it was Celestron's first attempt after reselling/rebranding the G11. The mount is free to me - a fellow is giving me a long unused C-700 + C14 from the mid 90s. I expect it really is not beefy enough for a C14, except for visual use. I'm also getting a couple of what looks like un-used Meade Pictor CCD cameras :-).
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