Date   
Couplers back in stock

Tim L
 

It was only a few days ago that I last checked and Frank still had a "Disgusted Grimace" on his site. Today, to those who have not seen it
yet (and it might be a couple of days old) most of the compatible shank
couplers are back in stock, with only two of the investment cast type
still out of stock.

Perhaps now Frank can get around to some of those custom couplers I've
been waiting for.

Tim

Made your own coupler boxes?

Tim L
 

Apologies if this comes through twice, I sent the original message some 13 odd hours ago and Yahoo still
hasn't delivered it. Why am I not surprised!

A question for all of you who have made your own coupler boxes to put Sergents in; what have you used
for the pivot? I am about to make new coupler boxes to replace the incredibly lame ones on a model.

I have  designed all the parts I need to make and that just leaves me with the  pivot. All I can think of is
some 1/8" Plastruct tube though I wonder  how well it would wear.

Tim
Land of OZ


Re: Made your own coupler boxes?

Michael Looney
 

Tim;
 I am getting ready to use the Accurail boxes cut in half, and then drill a hole and tap it, so that it would hold everything in place, and maybe use some super glue on the bottom, of the box to help hold everything in place. I am doing all of this on four MDC/Roundhouse HOn3 shays, because the  pivot point or shaft is way to big for the coupler to go over it, so I am going to cut it all off and the sides and install it that way, unless someone has a better way of doing it.
Michael

Equiping Kadee cars

gbn630@...
 

Has anyone put Sergents on Kadee cars. If so, what/how did you do it and what coupler did you use.


Greg

Re: [SergentEng] Equiping Kadee cars

Nathan Rich
 

A friend who converted his whole layout has a few, they take compatible shank E's. Taking the car apart is the hard part.

Nathan Rich


On May 28, 2017 22:13, "gbn630@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

Has anyone put Sergents on Kadee cars. If so, what/how did you do it and what coupler did you use.


Greg

Made your own coupler boxes?

Tim L
 

A question for all of you who have made your own coupler boxes to put
Sergents in what have you used for the pivot? I am about to make new
coupler boxes to replace the incredibly lame ones on a model. I have
designed all the parts I need to make and that just leaves me with the
pivot. All I can think of is some 1/8" Plastruct tube though I wonder
how well it would wear.

Tim
Land of OZ

Re: [SergentEng] Equiping Kadee cars

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hello Greg,

I do not have many Kadee-made freight cars in the fleet but I have installed Sergent couplers on most of them, with a few left to do. All I have are boxcars. 

Opening up the coupler box is the first challenge. Not difficult, but it takes a bit of planning. Review the sheet that comes with the car showing how it is assembled. Remember, the Kadee cars are basically a tab “A” into slot “B” press/snap fit. No glue. Reverse the assembly instructions to open up the coupler box. Then I have filed the boss or post, whatever one wants to call it, to round off the edges and to fit a standard type E coupler with the comparable shank. Install the coupler per instructions. Then press and snap the car back together. 

I have not experienced any operating issues with this installations.

Cheers & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On May 28, 2017, at 11:06 PM, Nathan Rich thaddeusthudpucker@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:


A friend who converted his whole layout has a few, they take compatible shank E's. Taking the car apart is the hard part. 

Nathan Rich


On May 28, 2017 22:13, "gbn630@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

Has anyone put Sergents on Kadee cars. If so, what/how did you do it and what coupler did you use.


Greg




Re: Equiping Kadee cars

gbn630@...
 

Thanks guys. I'll look into it as I have Kadee's with #5's and 58's. Mostly box cars but a few of the 2 bay covered hoppers as well. I've had the 40' cars apart before so that's not a big deal.

Re: [SergentEng] Equiping Kadee cars

Dale Kritzky
 

I have done quite a few Kadee cars, what I do on the box cars now is after getting the body off you slide the coupled boxes and steps off, I then cut the steps off at the coupler box and super glue them to the floor, the coupler post is pointed towards the front, I cut off the pointy part, then you need to thin the Sergent shank, this is trial and error, just make sure you have the coupler box lid on then slide it back on the car to check on coupler free play, if it's good slide the box back on but leave about a .60" gap between the box and the center sill, this is because the close coupling between the cars which is also why you cut off the steps at the begining, if everything is good a drop of super glue is all you need to hold the box in place. On the cushioned draft gear you just need to remove the pointy part of the post an thin the shank a little, same goes for all of the other cars including the tank car.



On May 29, 2017, at 11:53 AM, "Bill Keene wakeene@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:


 

Hello Greg,


I do not have many Kadee-made freight cars in the fleet but I have installed Sergent couplers on most of them, with a few left to do. All I have are boxcars. 

Opening up the coupler box is the first challenge. Not difficult, but it takes a bit of planning. Review the sheet that comes with the car showing how it is assembled. Remember, the Kadee cars are basically a tab “A” into slot “B” press/snap fit. No glue. Reverse the assembly instructions to open up the coupler box. Then I have filed the boss or post, whatever one wants to call it, to round off the edges and to fit a standard type E coupler with the comparable shank. Install the coupler per instructions. Then press and snap the car back together. 

I have not experienced any operating issues with this installations.

Cheers & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On May 28, 2017, at 11:06 PM, Nathan Rich thaddeusthudpucker@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:


A friend who converted his whole layout has a few, they take compatible shank E's. Taking the car apart is the hard part. 

Nathan Rich


On May 28, 2017 22:13, "gbn630@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

Has anyone put Sergents on Kadee cars. If so, what/how did you do it and what coupler did you use.


Greg




Re: [SergentEng] Made your own coupler boxes?

Dale Buxton
 

Tim,
I use one of two solutions. One, is to use the bottom half of a Kadee 714 coupler box. This half has the Kadee pivot pin with the screw hole in it. It is the same(ish) general diameter as the Sergent pivot hole. The other is to use a very short length of 3/32 brass tube as the pivot. I put a 2-56 washer on top of this and use a 1.4mm Phillips head screw to hold the whole shabang together. Either solution might require that you slightly ream the Sargent's pivot hole.

Dale Buxton


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On Sat, 5/27/17, egroupstuff@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:

Subject: [SergentEng] Made your own coupler boxes?
To: SergentEng@...
Date: Saturday, May 27, 2017, 8:44 PM


 









Apologies if this comes through twice, I sent the
original message some 13 odd hours ago and Yahoo still
hasn't delivered it. Why am I not
surprised!

A question for
all of you who have made your own coupler boxes to put
Sergents in; what have you used
for the
pivot? I am about to make new coupler boxes to replace the
incredibly lame ones on a model.

I have 
designed all the parts I need to make and that just leaves
me with the 
pivot. All I can think of is
some 1/8"
Plastruct tube though I wonder 
how well it would wear.

Tim

Land of OZ











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Re: [SergentEng] Made your own coupler boxes?

Tim L
 

Thanks to those that replied. It looks like I'll be going the brass tube path; 1/8" tube has an ID that's almost
the right size for an M3 screw so I might be able to tap the tube and not the floor of the model should I wish to.

Tim

Coupler assembly

Dennis Stephens
 

I was informed this group assembled Sergent couplers. How much do they cost and can i send you the unassembled ones i have? 




New RPM Meet

James Wall
 

This is to announce a new Railway Prototype Modeler's meet, The Carolinas School of Railway Prototype Modeling (or RPM Carolinas).

 

Focusing on teaching popular modeling skills, RPM Carolinas will be held in Winston-Salem, North Carolina on Friday, October 20 and Saturday, October 21, 2017 at 1450 Fairchild Road, Winston Salem, North Carolina.



 

Please look at our website -- https://sissonstony.wixsite.com/rpm-carolina for a current list of clinicians and nearby hotels.

 



Some items of note about RPM Carolinas:


 

1. Create Your Own Southern Railway 36’ Ventilated Box Car.  We will offer a "Bash 'n Build" clinic (with sincere appreciation to Greg Martin) taught by Fenton Wells that will enable participants to create a Southern Railway 120000-132499 series thirty-six foot ventilated boxcar – a few of which ran until 1953.  The first 25 paid registrations received at our mailing address shown below will entitle the registrant to a complimentary Bash ‘n Build kitcontaining
• An Accurail #1800 36' Boxcar kit
• Resin conversion castings by Dr. Dave Campbell; and 
• Custom decals by Dr. David Bott.  

 

A limited number of castings and decals will be available in the future for sale to those who do not receive one of the 25 complimentary “Bash ‘n Build kits”.  Details later.

 

2. Hands On Weathering.  We will have several continuous "hands-on" weathering clinics over the two days featuring expert modelers, each of who have different weathering styles and application techniques so attendees can watch, practice “hands on” weathering and decide what weathering style he or she prefers.  Our weathering clinicians are:
• Dave Schroedle:  Oils + Powder + Gouache mix – 33% each.
• 

Brian Banna: Truck sideframes only, Pan Pastels varying color depth & cast.
• Tony Sissons:  90% PanPastels + 5% oils + 5% acrylic.  Also hand painted graffiti.
• Butch Eyler: Gouache 90% + oils/powder 10%.  Also hand painted graffiti.

 

Weathering materials will be supplied.  Please bring your own brushes and a freight car 
(We'll have a limited number of "practice" cars for those who need one).


 

3. Historical Exhibitors/ Research Sources.  For attendees interested in railroad history, the Southern Railway Historical Association and the Norfolk and Western Historical Society will be exhibitors.  Moreover, there will be tables containing binders and binders of historic railroad photographs offered by Bob's Photos.

 

4. Clinicians: 

 

                          Tony Sissons                   Modifying "outta da box" NS coal gons to achieve prototype accuracy
  Rick Bell                           Historical Societies
            Chris Zygmunt                 Model Photography
            Ken Rickmann                  Using Shapeways
            Kevin von der Lippe         The Atlantic and Yadkin Winston-Salem Division
            Bob Harpe                        Modeling with Cannon Parts
            Rick Bell                           DCC Installation
            Fenton Wells                    Bash 'n Build a Southern 36 foot Ventilated Box Car
            Ken Rickmann                  Modeling Realistic Rail
            Kevin von der Lippe         Modeling Tobacco Barn
           Tom Sinks                         Beyond the Ps-4:  Southern Steam 1903 - 1953

 

Please mark your calendars for October 20-21 and, for updates and more details, go to

 

 

Tom Sinks
Tony Sissons
James Wall
Fenton Wells
Kevin von der Lippe

 

 

 

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REGISTRATION FORM
RPM Carolinas
Winston-Salem, NC
October 20 and 21, 2017

 

 

Name:    _________________________________________

 

Address:_________________________________________

 

    __________________________________________

 

E-Mail:   ______________________________________

 

Optional:If you wish to receive complimentary Southern Ventilated Box Car Conversion Kit for our “Bash ‘n Build” Seminar presented by Fenton Wells, please indicate below.

 

________ I wish to receive a complimentary “Bash ‘n Build” Ventilated Box Car Conversion kit.
[The first 25 paid registrations received will get the conversion kit.]  The first 25 paid registrations received will “get the kit”.

 

Please mail your registration form and check for $25 to:

 

Kevin von der Lippe
P.O Box 38604
Greensboro, NC 27438
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Tom Sinks
126 Connally St.
Black Mountain, NC 28711
336-202-3545James Wall
Rural Hall, NC



Where to purchase

Tom Colasurdo
 

Good evening everyone:


I'm new to the conversation, so please forgive me if this topic has previously been discussed.


I've browsed the Sergent website, but I typically do not purchase utilizing on-line carts ... call me old fashion.  I did e-mail utilizing the contact e-mail provided, but no response.


I've searched my usual sources for modeling supplies, but did not see Sergent "S" scale couplers listed.


I'm comparing couplers to be utilized on my On3 models, and wanted to compare the Sergent couplers to Kadee O and On3 couplers, as well as Protocraft couplers.


Any suggestions on a source to purchase?


Thank you in advance for any recommendations.


V/r,

Tom Colasurdo

Re: [SergentEng] Where to purchase

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hi Tom,

When I first started purchasing Sergent Couplers, I did not have a PayPal account. I simply wrote a letter describing my order and enclosed a check for the proper amount to the address on the web site. Within just a few days, my order arrived. 

I have never had a complaint or concern with purchases from Sergent Engineering. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Sep 19, 2017, at 5:07 PM, t_colasurdo@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:


Good evening everyone:


I'm new to the conversation, so please forgive me if this topic has previously been discussed.


I've browsed the Sergent website, but I typically do not purchase utilizing on-line carts ... call me old fashion.  I did e-mail utilizing the contact e-mail provided, but no response.


I've searched my usual sources for modeling supplies, but did not see Sergent "S" scale couplers listed.


I'm comparing couplers to be utilized on my On3 models, and wanted to compare the Sergent couplers to Kadee O and On3 couplers, as well as Protocraft couplers.


Any suggestions on a source to purchase?


Thank you in advance for any recommendations.


V/r,

Tom Colasurdo< /p>


Re: [SergentEng] Where to purchase

Mike Van Hove
 

Tom,
I have used his online cart, several times, with absolutely no problem.

You will love these couplers, I have converted all my HO Standard Gage Colorado Midland equipment to them, and I really like them.  (Over a hundred pieces of equipment)

I’m switching over to HOn3 and as I build my rolling stock, I’m using all Sergent couplers.

They have several advantages, but the one I like best is:  They don’t have slack running in and out all the time, like the Kaddees do.

Frank Sergent is a good guy to deal with.

I should give the usual disclaimer:

I’m not related to him, have never met him in person, but he’s been very good to work with.

Mike Van Hove

Columbia, MO

PS, do spend the few bucks and get the Assembly Fixture.  Well worth the price.



On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:07 PM, t_colasurdo@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:


Good evening everyone:


I'm new to the conversation, so please forgive me if this topic has previously been discussed.


I've browsed the Sergent website, but I typically do not purchase utilizing on-line carts ... call me old fashion.  I did e-mail utilizing the contact e-mail provided, but no response.


I've searched my usual sources for modeling supplies, but did not see Sergent "S" scale couplers listed.


I'm comparing couplers to be utilized on my On3 models, and wanted to compare the Sergent couplers to Kadee O and On3 couplers, as well as Protocraft couplers.


Any suggestions on a source to purchase?


Thank you in advance for any recommendations.


V/r,

Tom Colasurdo



Re: [SergentEng] Where to purchase

 

Mike
The real RR cars have all kinds of slack action that has to be taken into account of in train handling or there are problems w/ broken knuckles & drawbars, etc. When the real trains leave from a dead stop they have to do it slowly to avoid break in twos. Of course most of us modelers don't run trains over 30 cars so slack doesn't present the same kinds of prototype problems as the real RRs have. Our biggest break in two problems come from bad track work which causes misaligned couplers. >}

Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA



On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Mike Van Hove mvanhove@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

Tom,

I have used his online cart, several times, with absolutely no problem.

You will love these couplers, I have converted all my HO Standard Gage Colorado Midland equipment to them, and I really like them.  (Over a hundred pieces of equipment)

I’m switching over to HOn3 and as I build my rolling stock, I’m using all Sergent couplers.

They have several advantages, but the one I like best is:  They don’t have slack running in and out all the time, like the Kaddees do.

Frank Sergent is a good guy to deal with.

I should give the usual disclaimer:

I’m not related to him, have never met him in person, but he’s been very good to work with.

Mike Van Hove

Columbia, MO

PS, do spend the few bucks and get the Assembly Fixture.  Well worth the price.



On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:07 PM, t_colasurdo@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:


Good evening everyone:


I'm new to the conversation, so please forgive me if this topic has previously been discussed.


I've browsed the Sergent website, but I typically do not purchase utilizing on-line carts ... call me old fashion.  I did e-mail utilizing the contact e-mail provided, but no response.


I've searched my usual sources for modeling supplies, but did not see Sergent "S" scale couplers listed.


I'm comparing couplers to be utilized on my On3 models, and wanted to compare the Sergent couplers to Kadee O and On3 couplers, as well as Protocraft couplers.


Any suggestions on a source to purchase?


Thank you in advance for any recommendations.


V/r,

Tom Colasurdo




Slack action Was RE: [SergentEng] Where to purchase

John Hagen
 

Andy,

You are absolutely correct about how the prototype deals with slack action nowadays.

That said, I’d venture a guess you weren’t around when steam powered freights were still plying the mainlines.

With the advent of diesel power railroads discovered that heavy freights could be started from stop by stretching out all the slack and using the low speed power of the diesel electric system to get the train rolling.

Steam locomotives did not have such an advantage so, when trying to get a heavy train moving, the standard practice was to back against the train to get the maximum slack built up, open the sanders, and then start the loco as fast as possible. The idea was to build up enough momentum as the slack ran out that the loco, now on well sanded rails, could keep from stalling an impressive flurry of spinning drivers, valve motion and side rods along with a lots of noise, smoke and ciders.

Yes, it was hard on draw bars and was to avoided unless necessary but it could be great to watch, from either end. Of course the best view was to the locomotive end but if you were at the caboose end, often a half mile or so away, seeing the way the caboose would be “snapped” into action was also interesting but more frightening to see than fun. The crew had to have themselves well prepared for the shock they were about to receive. It looked brutal.

It did not totally end with diesels but, as engineers became more attuned to how different they were than steam for starting a train, it occurred less and less as time went on. It can still happen but with today’s motive power it is quite rare. Not to mention that watching the same action with diesel power is just not the same.

John Hagen

 

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Mike

The real RR cars have all kinds of slack action that has to be taken into account of in train handling or there are problems w/ broken knuckles & drawbars, etc. When the real trains leave from a dead stop they have to do it slowly to avoid break in twos. Of course most of us modelers don't run trains over 30 cars so slack doesn't present the same kinds of prototype problems as the real RRs have. Our biggest break in two problems come from bad track work which causes misaligned couplers. >}


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Re: Slack action Was RE: [SergentEng] Where to purchase

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Andy and John,
I agree that slack was/is a fact of life, but my point is that a (model) train moving at a constant speed, on level track, shouldn’t have the accordian effect.

With the KD Couplers, it’s often quite an effect, and the Sergents really don’t do that.  Or if they do, it’s barely noticeable.

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Andy,

You are absolutely correct about how the prototype deals with slack action nowadays. 

That said, I’d venture a guess you weren’t around when steam powered freights were still plying the mainlines.

With the advent of diesel power railroads discovered that heavy freights could be started from stop by stretching out all the slack and using the low speed power of the diesel electric system to get the train rolling.

Steam locomotives did not have such an advantage so, when trying to get a heavy train moving, the standard practice was to back against the train to get the maximum slack built up, open the sanders, and then start the loco as fast as possible. The idea was to build up enough momentum as the slack ran out that the loco, now on well sanded rails, could keep from stalling an impressive flurry of spinning drivers, valve motion and side rods along with a lots of noise, smoke and ciders.

Yes, it was hard on draw bars and was to avoided unless necessary but it could be great to watch, from either end. Of course the best view was to the locomotive end but if you were at the caboose end, often a half mile or so away, seeing the way the caboose would be “snapped” into action was also interesting but more frightening to see than fun. The crew had to have themselves well prepared for the shock they were about to receive. It looked brutal.

It did not totally end with diesels but, as engineers became more attuned to how different they were than steam for starting a train, it occurred less and less as time went on. It can still happen but with today’s motive power it is quite rare. Not to mention that watching the same action with diesel power is just not the same.

John Hagen

 

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Mike

The real RR cars have all kinds of slack action that has to be taken into account of in train handling or there are problems w/ broken knuckles & drawbars, etc. When the real trains leave from a dead stop they have to do it slowly to avoid break in twos. Of course most of us modelers don't run trains over 30 cars so slack doesn't present the same kinds of prototype problems as the real RRs have. Our biggest break in two problems come from bad track work which causes misaligned couplers. >}


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Re: Slack action Was RE: [SergentEng] Where to purchase

Jeff Young
 

This is also why I moved to Sergents.  They look better too, but it was the accordion effect that drove me to them.


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Andy and John,

I agree that slack was/is a fact of life, but my point is that a (model) train moving at a constant speed, on level track, shouldn’t have the accordian effect.

With the KD Couplers, it’s often quite an effect, and the Sergents really don’t do that.  Or if they do, it’s barely noticeable.

Mike Van Hove