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Re: [SergentEng] 16 down, 56 or so to go

Dave Snyder
 

Chris, I hope you have a complete and successful recovery. Having worked in the healthcare field, I know that can take the "wind out of your sails" and I hope this episode is the last one you have and get back to your couplers.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.

Re: [SergentEng] 16 down, 56 or so to go

Ryan Harris
 

Hear, hear, Dave! 

Best wishes to you, Chris, for a speedy and full recovery. I am pulling for you. 



Ryan Harris
Fort Worth TX 


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Date: 02/07/2016 17:41 (GMT-06:00)
To: SergentEng@...
Subject: Re: [SergentEng] 16 down, 56 or so to go

 

Chris, I hope you have a complete and successful recovery. Having worked in the healthcare field, I know that can take the "wind out of your sails" and I hope this episode is the last one you have and get back to your couplers.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.

Re: [SergentEng] 16 down, 56 or so to go

Christopher Zurek
 

Thank you very much Dave. I'm feeling better today but that 7 hours on the table had stiffened up my joints and really messed up my sciatica. But, I think today I may get a little model railroading done.

Chris Z.

On 2/7/2016 5:41 PM, davesnyder59@... [SergentEng] wrote:
 

Chris, I hope you have a complete and successful recovery. Having worked in the healthcare field, I know that can take the "wind out of your sails" and I hope this episode is the last one you have and get back to your couplers.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.


Re: [SergentEng] 16 down, 56 or so to go

Christopher Zurek
 

Thanks Ryan. I hope all this gets better soon. I am a little disappointed that I missed participating with the MN Free-mo group this weekend at WGH in St Paul.

Chris Z.

On 2/7/2016 8:53 PM, Ryan Harris ryan.harris@... [SergentEng] wrote:
 

Hear, hear, Dave! 

Best wishes to you, Chris, for a speedy and full recovery. I am pulling for you. 



Ryan Harris
Fort Worth TX 


-------- Original message --------
From: "davesnyder59@... [SergentEng]"
Date: 02/07/2016 17:41 (GMT-06:00)
To: SergentEng@...
Subject: Re: [SergentEng] 16 down, 56 or so to go

 

Chris, I hope you have a complete and successful recovery. Having worked in the healthcare field, I know that can take the "wind out of your sails" and I hope this episode is the last one you have and get back to your couplers.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.


Rookie needs help

Joe Schmo
 

Hi group! I am brand new to the group. I joined because I am switching to Sergents and I am looking for any help I can get. My first question is which Sergents do I need to model 1940s steam? What else does the group suggest I get ( coupler height gauge, etc.)?

Re: [SergentEng] Rookie needs help

Nathan Rich
 

You just need a bunch of E couplers. If you have a bunch of logging stuff you can use some Sharon couplers for variety.

For other supplies, pick up a height gauge as those are always useful, I like to use two to compare bothe ends of the car at the same time. Assembly jigs are essential, there is one for E's and one for Sharon's. Uncoupling wands are also necessary, I recommend starting with two and later on get a bunch to put at strategic places around your layout.

Welcome to the club!
Nathan Rich


On Friday, February 19, 2016, hydro31452002@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

Hi group! I am brand new to the group. I joined because I am switching to Sergents and I am looking for any help I can get. My first question is which Sergents do I need to model 1940s steam? What else does the group suggest I get ( coupler height gauge, etc.)?

Re: [SergentEng] Rookie needs help

Joe Schmo
 

Fantastic!!! Thanks for the help and I can't wait to get started!!!

LaBelle Cars

Mike Van Hove
 

Hi, group,

I’m building some HOn3 LaBelle Passenger car kits.

So far, so good, but I’m a bit stymied as to how to do the couplers. I want to use (Naturally) the Sergent HOn3 Sharon Couplers. However, the casting that is for the end platform, coupler mount and truck bolster seems to leave a lot to be desired.

As those of you who have built some of the kits know, the instructions leave quite a bit up to your imagination. Especially in regard to coupler mounting.

The younger, brasher side of me says, “Trash this casting and build something new, from the ground up.” The older, wiser side of me says, “ Ask the group, they surely must have been there, done that.”

I did dig out the 2014 issue of the HOn3 Annual, from White River, which has a very good article on installing couplers on HOn3 rolling stock. However, the article does not deal with the LaBelle type of mounting.

So, if one or more of you folks out there has the solution to this, I would love to hear from you.

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

Mike Van Hove

mvanhove@...

[SergentEng] LaBelle Cars

Mike Conder
 

It has been a long time since I fiddled with one of these cars, but my first thought would be to upgrade the coupler pocket with a new one.  And I'd look at what John Niemeyer did for his logging cars as a first idea to consider. 

Mike Conder

Re: [SergentEng] LaBelle Cars

Michael Graff
 

I filed the original "pocket" down and installed the Sergent Sharon in place.

Michael Graff "Deo adjuvante labor proficit"


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Ämne:[SergentEng] LaBelle Cars

 

Hi, group,

I’m building some HOn3 LaBelle Passenger car kits.

So far, so good, but I’m a bit stymied as to how to do the couplers. I want to use (Naturally) the Sergent HOn3 Sharon Couplers. However, the casting that is for the end platform, coupler mount and truck bolster seems to leave a lot to be desired.

As those of you who have built some of the kits know, the instructions leave quite a bit up to your imagination. Especially in regard to coupler mounting.

The younger, brasher side of me says, “Trash this casting and build something new, from the ground up.” The older, wiser side of me says, “ Ask the group, they surely must have been there, done that.”

I did dig out the 2014 issue of the HOn3 Annual, from White River, which has a very good article on installing couplers on HOn3 rolling stock. However, the article does not deal with the LaBelle type of mounting.

So, if one or more of you folks out there has the solution to this, I would love to hear from you.

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

Mike Van Hove

mvanhove@...

Re: [SergentEng] LaBelle Cars

Mike Van Hove
 

Thanks, Mike.
This is kinda what I figured would have to be done.  The casting is pretty thin at this point, so I may have to just file it away and join it to one of the Sergent coupler boxes.

Mike

On Feb 20, 2016, at 3:47 PM, Mike Conder vulturenest1@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:

It has been a long time since I fiddled with one of these cars, but my first thought would be to upgrade the coupler pocket with a new one.  And I'd look at what John Niemeyer did for his logging cars as a first idea to consider. 


Mike Conder


Re: [SergentEng] LaBelle Cars

Mike Van Hove
 

Thanks, Michael.
The cast is so thin at this point, I thought maybe I would just file the whole thing down and attach the platform to one of the Sergent coupler boxes.

We’ll see how it goes.
Thanks,
Mike

On Feb 20, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Michael michael.graff@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:

I filed the original "pocket" down and installed the Sergent Sharon in place.

Michael Graff "Deo adjuvante labor proficit"


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Ämne:[SergentEng] LaBelle Cars

 

Hi, group,

I’m building some HOn3 LaBelle Passenger car kits.

So far, so good, but I’m a bit stymied as to how to do the couplers. I want to use (Naturally) the Sergent HOn3 Sharon Couplers. However, the casting that is for the end platform, coupler mount and truck bolster seems to leave a lot to be desired.

As those of you who have built some of the kits know, the instructions leave quite a bit up to your imagination. Especially in regard to coupler mounting.

The younger, brasher side of me says, “Trash this casting and build something new, from the ground up.” The older, wiser side of me says, “ Ask the group, they surely must have been there, done that.”

I did dig out the 2014 issue of the HOn3 Annual, from White River, which has a very good article on installing couplers on HOn3 rolling stock. However, the article does not deal with the LaBelle type of mounting.

So, if one or more of you folks out there has the solution to this, I would love to hear from you.

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

Mike Van Hove

mvanhove@...



Re: [SergentEng] LaBelle Cars

Duncan Harvey
 

Mike,

Not sure if this is of any help. The La Belle end platforms are smooth on the underside. I've just assembled couplers in their boxes, whatever ones you are going to use for the Sergents, and then glued the boxes to the underside of the platform. I've used Goo and I think epoxy would work as well. I'm kitbashing a car using La Belle end platforms and am close to starting another La Belle kit. As I look at the end platform it appears to be well shaped, but lacking in detail, so I am investigating what details to add and then how to add them - ratchet and pawl, nut-bolt-washers, lower staff bracket, end railings and so on. Hope this is of some help!
Duncan

Re: [SergentEng] LaBelle Cars

John Niemeyer <jniemeyer@...>
 

Mike

If I may. I've built a number of La Belle that were originally made by three different owners and the end platforms were different on all three. I can't remember which was which. I believe the first was produced with a channel like draft gear box. Too narrow for any coupler without modification. I machined this off and used a Kadee draft gear box. Drilling and tapping a brass 0-80 machine screw then filing the top flush with the upper deck. The second was a flat pad that was fairly thick. I filed that down and once again I used the Kadee draft gear box and 0-80 screw. and the current, I just drilled and tapped 0-80 again. The reason that I use the Kadee draft gear box is that the Accumate is too wide for HOn3 and doesn't allow enough clearance for the wheels. I've installed Blackstone trucks, with pick-up wipers, on my coaches. The pick-up wiper leave even less space for the draft gear box. On some coaches, I've added LED marker lights and interior lighting.

John Niemeyer


Mike,

Not sure if this is of any help. The La Belle end platforms are smooth on the underside. I've just assembled couplers in their boxes, whatever ones you are going to use for the Sergents, and then glued the boxes to the underside of the platform. I've used Goo and I think epoxy would work as well. I'm kitbashing a car using La Belle end platforms and am close to starting another La Belle kit. As I look at the end platform it appears to be well shaped, but lacking in detail, so I am investigating what details to add and then how to add them - ratchet and pawl, nut-bolt-washers, lower staff bracket, end railings and so on.
Hope this is of some help!
Duncan

Re: LaBelle Cars

Randy Hees
 

On the prototype D&RGW narrow gauge passenger cars, the couplers were unusually long, converted Miller Hook shanks, which anchored to the body, not the platform.   The exception was the RPO cars without platforms, which used freight car couplers and draft gear.

I suspect that the prototype design is at least part of the issue.

Randy Hees

Re: [SergentEng] LaBelle Cars

Mike Van Hove
 

Thank you, I didn’t know that.  Maybe I need to do more research before I start modifying the castings.

Thanks,

Mike

On Feb 20, 2016, at 7:42 PM, randyhees@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:

On the prototype D&RGW narrow gauge passenger cars, the couplers were unusually long, converted Miller Hook shanks, which anchored to the body, not the platform.   The exception was the RPO cars without platforms, which used freight car couplers and draft gear.

I suspect that the prototype design is at least part of the issue.

Randy Hees


Re: [SergentEng] LaBelle Cars

Mike Van Hove
 

Hi, Duncan.

The platform castings I have are not smooth on the bottom, but have a small amount of raised rib.  I would call them a thin representation of the main sills.  If they are filed down smooth, there will be VERY little meat left.  The distance between the sills is way too small  to mount the couplers between the sills.  If I glue the couplr boxes to the bottom of the sills, I think the couplers will be way too low.

Ain’t model railroading fun!

Thanks,
Mike

On Feb 20, 2016, at 4:45 PM, duncan harvey train3guy@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:

Mike,

Not sure if this is of any help. The La Belle end platforms are 
smooth on the underside. I've just assembled couplers in their boxes, 
whatever ones you are going to use for the Sergents, and then glued the 
boxes to the underside of the platform. I've used Goo and I think epoxy 
would work as well. I'm kitbashing a car using La Belle end platforms 
and am close to starting another La Belle kit. As I look at the end 
platform it appears to be well shaped, but lacking in detail, so I am 
investigating what details to add and then how to add them - ratchet and 
pawl, nut-bolt-washers, lower staff bracket, end railings and so on.  
Hope this is of some help!
Duncan


Re: [SergentEng] LaBelle Cars

Mike Van Hove
 

John,
I think what I have are the ones with the channel like draft gear. altho, these are very new production, just purchased, and in the new style packaging.  Who knows?

By the way, I have read all  the articles in the W R Hon3 Annuals, and I appreciate all the fine work you guys have done.

Thanks,
Mike Van Hove

On Feb 20, 2016, at 7:13 PM, 'John Niemeyer' jniemeyer@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:

Mike

If I may. I've built a number of La Belle that were originally made by three 
different owners and the end platforms were different on all three. I can't 
remember which was which. I believe the first was produced with a channel 
like draft gear box. Too narrow for any coupler without modification. I 
machined this off and used a Kadee draft gear box. Drilling and tapping a 
brass 0-80 machine screw then filing the top flush with the upper deck. The 
second was a flat pad that was fairly thick. I filed that down and once 
again I used the Kadee draft gear box and 0-80 screw. and the current, I 
just drilled and tapped 0-80 again. The reason that I use the Kadee draft 
gear box is that the Accumate is too wide for HOn3 and doesn't allow enough 
clearance for the wheels. I've installed Blackstone trucks, with pick-up 
wipers, on my coaches. The pick-up wiper leave even less space for the draft 
gear box. On some coaches, I've added LED marker lights and interior 
lighting.

John Niemeyer

Mike,

Not sure if this is of any help. The La Belle end platforms are smooth 
on the underside. I've just assembled couplers in their boxes, whatever 
ones you are going to use for the Sergents, and then glued the boxes to the 
underside of the platform. I've used Goo and I think epoxy would work as 
well. I'm kitbashing a car using La Belle end platforms and am close to 
starting another La Belle kit. As I look at the end platform it appears to 
be well shaped, but lacking in detail, so I am investigating what details to 
add and then how to add them - ratchet and pawl, nut-bolt-washers, lower 
staff bracket, end railings and so on.
Hope this is of some help!
Duncan 


Re: [SergentEng] LaBelle Cars

Randy Hees
 

On most wooden passenger cars, the platforms are not part of the under-fame... the under-frame ends as the end wall of the body, and the platforms were bolted to the under-frame, in effect, cantilevered off the car body.

This introduced a weak point in the car, with heavy draw bars (a coupler is an automatic device, a link and pin device is a draw bar (all per MCB) bolted to the platforms.

Miller introduced a number of changes in his patented design... including a trussed platform, better keying of the platform into the underframe, and a longer coupler so it was bolted directly to the car underframe. 

There are examples of couplers bolted to platforms... including a NG caboose I worked on...

In your case, you are dealing with mounting the coupler to the platform, on a model, whitch will require a coupler box mounted to the platform, which will introduce a large object on a spot on the model where none was found on the prototype...  or alterantly use brass or styrene to extend the Sargent coupler to match the prototype.

Randy

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 8:20 PM, Mike Van Hove mvanhove@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

Thank you, I didn’t know that.  Maybe I need to do more research before I start modifying the castings.


Thanks,

Mike
On Feb 20, 2016, at 7:42 PM, randyhees@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:

On the prototype D&RGW narrow gauge passenger cars, the couplers were unusually long, converted Miller Hook shanks, which anchored to the body, not the platform.   The exception was the RPO cars without platforms, which used freight car couplers and draft gear.

I suspect that the prototype design is at least part of the issue.

Randy Hees



Re: [SergentEng] LaBelle Cars

John Niemeyer <jniemeyer@...>
 

Mike
 
Thanks for the kind words
 
John


John,
I think what I have are the ones with the channel like draft gear. altho, these are very new production, just purchased, and in the new style packaging.  Who knows?
 
By the way, I have read all  the articles in the W R Hon3 Annuals, and I appreciate all the fine work you guys have done.
 
Thanks,
Mike Van Hove