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Use of Couplers

Joseph Pyland
 

OH BOY, I get to ask the first dumb question of the new year 

 

The different types of couplers (Type E & Type F,  and with Lower Shelf and Double Shelf,  Type H) , what is used where?

I know that Type E is used on most freight cars, passenger equipment uses Type H, tank cars use Double Shelf (E or F??), but what else is used where (I have seen some Lower Shelfs, but do not remember on what)?

 

I just am trying to get it right, like the look of Sergent couplers, and they are cheaper then KaDees (hate #$%! plastic couplers).

 

Thank you,

Joe P

Re: [SergentEng] Use of Couplers

Tim L
 

There's no dumb questions, we only give dumb answers; such as this
one.

I'm not in the US so I can't answer your question as what gets used is
different here. I could tell you what gets used for what here but it
would not be relevant to your modelling.

I guess for someone to answer your question more accurately it might be
helpful to give a time period that you wish to replicate, coupler rules
changed over time and type X freight car might have mandated lower
shelf E's now but were originally fitted with plain E's before the rules
changed.

Tim
Land of OZ

On 09/01/2016 20:26, 'Joe Pyland' jpyland@... [SergentEng] wrote:
OH BOY, I get to ask the first dumb question of the new year 

The different types of couplers (Type E & Type F, and with Lower Shelf
and Double Shelf, Type H) , what is used where?

I know that Type E is used on most freight cars, passenger equipment
uses Type H, tank cars use Double Shelf (E or F??), but what else is
used where (I have seen some Lower Shelfs, but do not remember on what)?

I just am trying to get it right, like the look of Sergent couplers, and
they are cheaper then KaDees (hate #$%! plastic couplers).

Thank you,

Joe P

Re: [SergentEng] Use of Couplers

Joseph Pyland
 

Hi Tim,

 

Here a Type X is what we call a Box car (House car), is that what you mean? A Type X in OZ could be something different.

 

Thanks,

Joe P

 

 

From: SergentEng@... [mailto:SergentEng@...]
Sent: Saturday, 9 January, 2016 04:15
To: SergentEng@...
Subject: Re: [SergentEng] Use of Couplers

 

 

There's no dumb questions, we only give dumb answers; such as this
one.

I'm not in the US so I can't answer your question as what gets used is
different here. I could tell you what gets used for what here but it
would not be relevant to your modelling.

I guess for someone to answer your question more accurately it might be
helpful to give a time period that you wish to replicate, coupler rules
changed over time and type X freight car might have mandated lower
shelf E's now but were originally fitted with plain E's before the rules
changed.

Tim
Land of OZ

On 09/01/2016 20:26, 'Joe Pyland' jpyland@... [SergentEng] wrote:
> OH BOY, I get to ask the first dumb question of the new year J
>
> The different types of couplers (Type E & Type F, and with Lower Shelf
> and Double Shelf, Type H) , what is used where?
>
> I know that Type E is used on most freight cars, passenger equipment
> uses Type H, tank cars use Double Shelf (E or F??), but what else is
> used where (I have seen some Lower Shelfs, but do not remember on what)?
>
> I just am trying to get it right, like the look of Sergent couplers, and
> they are cheaper then KaDees (hate #$%! plastic couplers).
>
> Thank you,
>
> Joe P

Re: Use of Couplers

Cliff
 

Yo Joe,
So E couplers make the majority of railcars rollin' through N. America. Most are your standard non-shelf; double shelf ones are going to be found on your tank cars but aren't exclusive to tanks. I've had standard low top gondolas used scrap service with one regular E and one double shelf E. Why? Sometimes it's whatever is on hand. Looks funky.

Long drawbar cars like flatcars centerbeams, certain boxcar and even auto racks can be found with bottom shelf E couplers. Short drawbar bottom shelves are showing up as standard equipment on cars like new covered hoppers in plastic, sand, cement, flyash, flour etc.

You got interlocking F couplers used on locomotives, double shelf F that are also used on tanks and rotating shank F on your rotary gondolas.

H couplers or Tightlock H are passenger. I don't know much about them.

Re: [SergentEng] Use of Couplers

Tim L
 

Hi Joe,

Happy New Year to you.

No, I was just using "Type X" as being a generic description for any
class of car (boxcar, hopper, gon, autorack, tank, etc etc) that might
have had rule changes applied during their life that affected what
coupler they were fitted with. Perhaps I would have been more
successful if I had said "type xyz".

I know there has been rule changes during the life of many cars over
there (for instance, passenger cars getting H couplers I believe was
some sort of mandated rule change). Because I don't actually know of
anything specific I decided to give a generic "type X". Someone much
more knowledgeable should be able to answer your question and if you
can give them a period in which you model they might be able to help
you make more accurate choices on what to fit.

Cheers,

Tim
Land of OZ

On 09/01/2016 23:35, 'Joe Pyland' jpyland@... [SergentEng] wrote:
Hi Tim,

Here a Type X is what we call a Box car (House car), is that what you
mean? A Type X in OZ could be something different.

Thanks,

Joe P

Re: [SergentEng] Use of Couplers

John Niemeyer <jniemeyer@...>
 

Joe
 
Here’s a link to the NMRA coupler data in the file section of this group.  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SergentEng/files
 
This is not an absolute only a guide. It depends on your time period and railroad that you model.
 
John

OH BOY, I get to ask the first dumb question of the new year 

 

The different types of couplers (Type E & Type F,  and with Lower Shelf and Double Shelf,  Type H) , what is used where?

I know that Type E is used on most freight cars, passenger equipment uses Type H, tank cars use Double Shelf (E or F??), but what else is used where (I have seen some Lower Shelfs, but do not remember on what)?

 

I just am trying to get it right, like the look of Sergent couplers, and they are cheaper then KaDees (hate #$%! plastic couplers).

 

Thank you,

Joe P

Re: Use of Couplers

David R. Olsen <drolsen@...>
 

On Jan 9, 2016, at 7:59 AM, xzxc175@... wrote:

So E couplers make the majority of railcars rollin' through N. America. Most are your standard non-shelf;

From my trackside and photo research over the past two decades, the majority of type E couplers are lower shelf now. That's what I see on most box cars, covered hoppers, open hoppers, and gondolas. Most coal gons and and some coal hoppers are equipped with lower shelf type Fs.  In the '80s and earlier, standard type Es seemed to be more common, but I would say the lower shelf Es outnumber them at least 2 to 1 now. I've bought a lot more Sergent lower shelf Es as a result. When matching my models to prototype photos, I rarely use standard Es. I model 1998, for what it's worth, but it looks to me like all new build cars of the types I mentioned are coming with lower shelf Es nowadays.

Dave Olsen
Alexandria, VA

Re: Use of Couplers

David R. Olsen <drolsen@...>
 

On Jan 9, 2016, at 7:59 AM, xzxc175@... wrote:
I've had standard low top gondolas used scrap service with one regular E and one double shelf E. Why? Sometimes it's whatever is on hand. Looks funky. 

I meant to add in my last post that there are definitely some unusual coupler examples out there that would make for interesting modeling. This standard CSX 50' box car I caught had double shelf type E couplers on both ends:

CSXT 502490:
http://drolsen.rrpicturearchives.net/rsPicture.aspx?id=550482

The other cars in this class are all equipped with lower shelf type Es.

Dave Olsen
Alexandria, VA

Re: [SergentEng] Re: Use of Couplers

Joseph Pyland
 

Thank You David, I guess my Es will be relegated to MOW service.

 

Thank You,

Joe P

Re: Use of Couplers

Cliff
 

What era are you modeling?

Re: [SergentEng] Re: Use of Couplers

Paul Dallard
 

Late 60's to the present. 

An insincere and evil friend is more to be feared than a wild beast; a wild beast may wound your body, but an evil friend will wound your mind. - Buddha



On Jan 10, 2016, at 21:00, xzxc175@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:

 

What era are you modeling?

Re: Use of Couplers

David R. Olsen <drolsen@...>
 

On Jan 9, 2016, at 3:21 PM, 'Joe Pyland' <jpyland@...> wrote:
Thank You David, I guess my Es will be relegated to MOW service.

Joe, don't get me wrong - standard type Es aren't completely gone from revenue freight cars, they just seem to be much less common than they were twenty years ago. I always try to go by prototype photos when choosing my coupler type, but that's challenging sometimes because there aren't a lot of online photos from the late '90s.

Dave Olsen
Alexandria, VA

Re: Use of Couplers

Cliff
 

I'll be starting work on a 1962 LPG tanker from Union Tank Car (white w/black bottom trim ). It's the infamous plate B tanker, 83013; pre 1978 before mandated double shelf couplers.

Re: [SergentEng] Re: Use of Couplers

Joseph Pyland
 

I tend to be modern, but I just run what I want. 1990+

 

Joe P

 

From: SergentEng@... [mailto:SergentEng@...]
Sent: Sunday, 10 January, 2016 20:01
To: SergentEng@...
Subject: [SergentEng] Re: Use of Couplers

 

 

What era are you modeling?

Re: [SergentEng] Re: Use of Couplers

Joseph Pyland
 

Dave, just starting to upgrade, only got the first 6, so no big deal, thought I would ask BEFORE I spent a lot of money.

 

Joe P

 

 

From: SergentEng@... [mailto:SergentEng@...]
Sent: Sunday, 10 January, 2016 21:00
To: SergentEng@...
Subject: [SergentEng] Re: Use of Couplers

 

 

On Jan 9, 2016, at 3:21 PM, 'Joe Pyland' <jpyland@...> wrote:
Thank You David, I guess my Es will be relegated to MOW service.

 

Joe, don't get me wrong - standard type Es aren't completely gone from revenue freight cars, they just seem to be much less common than they were twenty years ago. I always try to go by prototype photos when choosing my coupler type, but that's challenging sometimes because there aren't a lot of online photos from the late '90s.

 

Dave Olsen

Alexandria, VA

 

16 down, 56 or so to go

Nathan Rich
 

Been working on my latest bulk pack, what else is everybody up to? 

Nathan Rich

Re: [SergentEng] 16 down, 56 or so to go

Joseph Pyland
 

Wait on my next group, Type H.  The security around here is tight, and I got a partial order, and it took 1.5 hours to be cleared  J

 

Kats, no they are not normal.

Joe Pyland

 

 

From: SergentEng@... [mailto:SergentEng@...]
Sent: Sunday, 7 February, 2016 03:22
To: SergentEng@...
Subject: [SergentEng] 16 down, 56 or so to go

 

 

Been working on my latest bulk pack, what else is everybody up to? 

 

Nathan Rich

Re: [SergentEng] 16 down, 56 or so to go

Tim L
 

Absolutely nothing.

However going from no-free-time to all-free-time for at least the next
few weeks I might just get the rest of my couplers assembled. I might
even get some installed!

Tim

On 07/02/2016 20:21, Nathan Rich thaddeusthudpucker@... [SergentEng] wrote:
Been working on my latest bulk pack, what else is everybody up to?


Nathan Rich

Re: [SergentEng] 16 down, 56 or so to go

Christopher Zurek
 

Nothing, just trying to recover.

On Friday I had a Pulmonary Vein Ablation done to try and cure a-fib and a-flutter. This is the second one in about 18 months. I feel like I've been run over by a bus.
Right now I'm catching up on email.

I have lots of couplers to build, I'll start that again when I feel better.

Chris Z.

On 2/7/2016 3:21 AM, Nathan Rich thaddeusthudpucker@... [SergentEng] wrote:
 

Been working on my latest bulk pack, what else is everybody up to? 


Nathan Rich

Re: 16 down, 56 or so to go

Josh Baakko
 

SDEC87A (yes A's) installed into a nearly complete weathering job on a pair of American Limited Models Trinity 3281 Covered Hoppers.

I'm going to need to order myself a jig and some bulk packs, so I can complete some mass equipping as I finish weathering some of my "simple" weathering jobs.
Josh