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Re: Frank

Tim L
 

John,

I wasn't advocating that we should crowd fund Frank a 3D printer, I was trying to lightheartedly point out that *if* crowdfunding for Frank was something that happened then a 3D printer that "worked" (as opposed to a 3D printer that doesn't work like he has now) would be a more viable proposition than a set of steel molds for diecasting a single coupler. Frank fully intends for us to use his drawings to make couplers, that's why he's given the drawings to us - he wants us (us = hobby in general) to continue the couplers into the future long after he's done with it all. How well we (as a hobby) succeed in that is another matter.

Mark,

I wasn't trying to slap down Nathan's idea, just pointing out the likely realities of the outcome of a set of steel molds considering Frank would have already done the homework on the cost recovery front. Don't get me wrong, I don't want Frank to stop, at least not until I've worked out how to do it all (probably years!) as I need some speciality couplers still.

Noting your location, good to see another person from down here using Sergents; your only the third or fourth person in this country that I know of using them.

- Tim

On 28/04/2019 15:56, John Larkin via Groups.Io wrote:
Just as a suggestion, how about we let Frank decide if he would like to have a better 3D printer for him to make coupler parts or would he prefer (because of time for smaller lots, for example) to let another party use his drawings to make parts for the low run specialty parts? It might then be easier to set up a small corporation (of whatever type, C, S, etc.) and those who'd like to pitch in could own stock in the company.  The individual who is willing to make parts with it could be granted additional shares for the time, and then even get some added funds if the printer was used to make additional model railroad items that required time.  I'm trying to avoid saddling somebody with the burden of learning how to do 3D printing, then making and shipping parts, etc., without at least offering them something in return.
This is just an idea and I'm not trying to say this is a final solution, only one idea that might work.  I'm sure you guys would have better ideas so consider this a start.  Those who put money in could receive some compensation, or it might be in parts, of just good hearted helping, whatever is fair and works for everybody.
John Larkin

Re: Frank

John Larkin
 

Just as a suggestion, how about we let Frank decide if he would like to have a better 3D printer for him to make coupler parts or would he prefer (because of time for smaller lots, for example) to let another party use his drawings to make parts for the low run specialty parts?  It might then be easier to set up a small corporation (of whatever type, C, S, etc.) and those who'd like to pitch in could own stock in the company.  The individual who is willing to make parts with it could be granted additional shares for the time, and then even get some added funds if the printer was used to make additional model railroad items that required time.  I'm trying to avoid saddling somebody with the burden of learning how to do 3D printing, then making and shipping parts, etc., without at least offering them something in return.

This is just an idea and I'm not trying to say this is a final solution, only one idea that might work.  I'm sure you guys would have better ideas so consider this a start.  Those who put money in could receive some compensation, or it might be in parts, of just good hearted helping, whatever is fair and works for everybody.

John Larkin



On Sunday, April 28, 2019, 12:46:15 AM CDT, Mark <markstafford15@...> wrote:


Tim I believe you make great points, but I do think Nathan is onto at least part of the solution.

i think I have already purchased enough of Frank’s wonderful couplers for My personal needs but that doesn’t mean I would not be prepared to participate in a crowd funding venture to help Frank get what he needs to get on track.

I believe it would be in our best interests to support Frank to do what is required.   

Mark Stafford
Macedon Australia

Re: Frank

Mark
 

Tim I believe you make great points, but I do think Nathan is onto at least part of the solution.

i think I have already purchased enough of Frank’s wonderful couplers for My personal needs but that doesn’t mean I would not be prepared to participate in a crowd funding venture to help Frank get what he needs to get on track.

I believe it would be in our best interests to support Frank to do what is required.   

Mark Stafford
Macedon Australia

Re: Frank

Tim L
 

Probably around $20,000. I think it'd take more than a few dollars from each of us to fund what Frank has already determined isn't viable cost wise to have a mold made for (The sales numbers probably don't add up to recover the cost to the mold). We'd likely be better off funding Frank a better 3D printer, one that actually works so he doesn't have to tinker to try and make the current one work.

The only thing is Frank doesn't particularly want to keep doing this in the future and I believe the specialty (non diecast) couplers have become a bit of a chore over other things for him these days (hence why he's not giving a whole lot of time to getting the 3D printer working). Frank has given us the designs for the couplers so we can make/get made our own. I'm still looking into this. I know for many the casting process would be beyond their ability or beyond what they can locate at home but any place that does investment casting should be able to cast the couplers, and should have a 3D printer of sufficient quality to make the investment parts as well if one doesn't have one one's self.

- Tim

On 28/04/2019 14:47, Nathan Rich wrote:
If we knew the cost of a set of steel molds, what if we did a GoFundMe to pay for the other molds for the different shank lengths? I'd kick in a few bucks toward the cost if it meant they would stay available.
Just an idea...
Nathan Rich

Re: Frank

Nathan Rich
 

If we knew the cost of a set of steel molds, what if we did a GoFundMe to pay for the other molds for the different shank lengths? I'd kick in a few bucks toward the cost if it meant they would stay available.

Just an idea...

Nathan Rich

On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 7:35 PM Todd Fisher <tftrainman1@...> wrote:
Ok that helps put it in perspective, it would be nice to see those longer shanks be able to be made that way but also in general it'd be nice to eventually see everything come back in stock. I know you're working on attempting to and for those of us still dedicated to using your line I do appreciate it. 

On Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 9:59 PM Frank Sergent <fsergent@...> wrote:
Die casting requires a dedicated steel mold for each variant of part. Those molds are very expensive. That’s why I always used investment casting for the specialized stuff that I didn’t expect to sell tons of. I could justify paying for the mold for the lower shelf casting because I could use it with a lot of different top castings. For top castings with non-standard lengths, I couldn’t justify the cost of the steel mold.
 
There are also things that can’t be done practically with die casting (like the type F coupler), so investment casting is capability I needed anyway. Unfortunately, its not a capability I have now.
 
Thanks,
Frank
 
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Sergent Engineering] Frank
 
I understand frank. I am curious however if the lower shelfs are diecast is there a reason the long shank ones cant be done thru diecast? I'm not familiar with all the casting so I'm just wondering what determines the two different castings.
 
On Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 3:37 PM Frank Sergent <fsergent@...> wrote:
Hi Todd,
 
Unfortunately I have zero of those left. The lower shelf castings are diecast. That’s why I can continue to offer the SBEC87 couplers.
 
Thanks,
Frank
 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 2:37 PM
Subject: [Sergent Engineering] Frank
 
I was hoping to see if you by chance had one extra long shank lower shelf laying around if not no worries but I've broken one off a centerbeam car. Also just curious since the lower shelfs are being produced is there a reason the long shanks can't be produced like those are?

Re: Frank

Todd Fisher
 

Ok that helps put it in perspective, it would be nice to see those longer shanks be able to be made that way but also in general it'd be nice to eventually see everything come back in stock. I know you're working on attempting to and for those of us still dedicated to using your line I do appreciate it. 


On Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 9:59 PM Frank Sergent <fsergent@...> wrote:
Die casting requires a dedicated steel mold for each variant of part. Those molds are very expensive. That’s why I always used investment casting for the specialized stuff that I didn’t expect to sell tons of. I could justify paying for the mold for the lower shelf casting because I could use it with a lot of different top castings. For top castings with non-standard lengths, I couldn’t justify the cost of the steel mold.
 
There are also things that can’t be done practically with die casting (like the type F coupler), so investment casting is capability I needed anyway. Unfortunately, its not a capability I have now.
 
Thanks,
Frank
 
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Sergent Engineering] Frank
 
I understand frank. I am curious however if the lower shelfs are diecast is there a reason the long shank ones cant be done thru diecast? I'm not familiar with all the casting so I'm just wondering what determines the two different castings.
 
On Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 3:37 PM Frank Sergent <fsergent@...> wrote:
Hi Todd,
 
Unfortunately I have zero of those left. The lower shelf castings are diecast. That’s why I can continue to offer the SBEC87 couplers.
 
Thanks,
Frank
 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 2:37 PM
Subject: [Sergent Engineering] Frank
 
I was hoping to see if you by chance had one extra long shank lower shelf laying around if not no worries but I've broken one off a centerbeam car. Also just curious since the lower shelfs are being produced is there a reason the long shanks can't be produced like those are?

Re: Frank

Frank Sergent
 

Die casting requires a dedicated steel mold for each variant of part. Those molds are very expensive. That’s why I always used investment casting for the specialized stuff that I didn’t expect to sell tons of. I could justify paying for the mold for the lower shelf casting because I could use it with a lot of different top castings. For top castings with non-standard lengths, I couldn’t justify the cost of the steel mold.
 
There are also things that can’t be done practically with die casting (like the type F coupler), so investment casting is capability I needed anyway. Unfortunately, its not a capability I have now.
 
Thanks,
Frank
 

Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Sergent Engineering] Frank
 
I understand frank. I am curious however if the lower shelfs are diecast is there a reason the long shank ones cant be done thru diecast? I'm not familiar with all the casting so I'm just wondering what determines the two different castings.
 
On Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 3:37 PM Frank Sergent <fsergent@...> wrote:
Hi Todd,
 
Unfortunately I have zero of those left. The lower shelf castings are diecast. That’s why I can continue to offer the SBEC87 couplers.
 
Thanks,
Frank
 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 2:37 PM
Subject: [Sergent Engineering] Frank
 
I was hoping to see if you by chance had one extra long shank lower shelf laying around if not no worries but I've broken one off a centerbeam car. Also just curious since the lower shelfs are being produced is there a reason the long shanks can't be produced like those are?

Re: Frank

Todd Fisher
 

I understand frank. I am curious however if the lower shelfs are diecast is there a reason the long shank ones cant be done thru diecast? I'm not familiar with all the casting so I'm just wondering what determines the two different castings. 


On Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 3:37 PM Frank Sergent <fsergent@...> wrote:
Hi Todd,
 
Unfortunately I have zero of those left. The lower shelf castings are diecast. That’s why I can continue to offer the SBEC87 couplers.
 
Thanks,
Frank
 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 2:37 PM
Subject: [Sergent Engineering] Frank
 
I was hoping to see if you by chance had one extra long shank lower shelf laying around if not no worries but I've broken one off a centerbeam car. Also just curious since the lower shelfs are being produced is there a reason the long shanks can't be produced like those are?

Re: Frank

Frank Sergent
 

Hi Todd,
 
Unfortunately I have zero of those left. The lower shelf castings are diecast. That’s why I can continue to offer the SBEC87 couplers.
 
Thanks,
Frank
 

Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 2:37 PM
Subject: [Sergent Engineering] Frank
 
I was hoping to see if you by chance had one extra long shank lower shelf laying around if not no worries but I've broken one off a centerbeam car. Also just curious since the lower shelfs are being produced is there a reason the long shanks can't be produced like those are?

Frank

Todd Fisher
 

I was hoping to see if you by chance had one extra long shank lower shelf laying around if not no worries but I've broken one off a centerbeam car. Also just curious since the lower shelfs are being produced is there a reason the long shanks can't be produced like those are? 

Re: Sergent website, was: Looking for S scale couplers

Frank Sergent
 

Hi All,

I removed the S scale page (and the tailor made page) from the website because I was editing the website anyway and that was an easy thing to do and I figured it would hopefully reduce the number of inquiries about those products that I am not currently able to manufacture. The truth is that today I'm no longer tirelessly working on a solution either so I don't want to mislead anyone. There are other personal responsibilities that take priority right now.

As far as the diecast products go... I have plenty and will have plenty for the foreseeable future. (I have temporarily run out of balls but expect to have more next week -- so if you are waiting on an order that included a bulk pack that was placed within the last week, it will be shipped very soon.)

Thanks,
Frank

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim L
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 7:06 AM
To: SergentEngineering@groups.io
Subject: [Sergent Engineering] Sergent website, was: Looking for S scale couplers

The S Scale and Taylor made coupler pages aren't completely gone from
the website, just hidden from the menu. There are two ways to take this;
Frank has hidden them as he intends to no longer make and sell them
(this has happened previously with some of the narrow shank range, and
of course Glatzl's couplers) or, he has hidden them as they are a longer
term return to production (remember he has had plenty of issues with the
new 3D printer) and hiding them reduces for him the queries on when they
will be available. Hopefully it's reason number 2 but my feeling is that
it's reason number 1.

Either way a note on his website would good so we would all know one way
or the other and not have to speculate.

Tim

Sergent website, was: Looking for S scale couplers

Tim L
 

The S Scale and Taylor made coupler pages aren't completely gone from the website, just hidden from the menu. There are two ways to take this; Frank has hidden them as he intends to no longer make and sell them (this has happened previously with some of the narrow shank range, and of course Glatzl's couplers) or, he has hidden them as they are a longer term return to production (remember he has had plenty of issues with the new 3D printer) and hiding them reduces for him the queries on when they will be available. Hopefully it's reason number 2 but my feeling is that it's reason number 1.

Either way a note on his website would good so we would all know one way or the other and not have to speculate.

Tim

On 17/04/2019 11:08, Jason Hethke wrote:
Looks like quite a bit was removed off of his website, I have been keeping my eye out for tailor made's for walthers passenger cars, those are gone as well.....

Re: Looking for S scale couplers - EC64K or EC64JK

Jason Hethke
 

Looks like quite a bit was removed off of his website, I have been keeping my eye out for tailor made's for walthers passenger cars, those are gone as well.....

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 8:07 PM Tom Colasurdo via Groups.Io <t_colasurdo=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Happened to go on the Sergent Engineering website tonight ... the S scale coupler button is no longer under the Products tab.

I'm looking to purchase any available EC64K or EC64JK couplers.

Please contact me off list ... t_colasurdo@...

Thank you in advance.

V/r,
Tom C.

Looking for S scale couplers - EC64K or EC64JK

Tom Colasurdo
 

Happened to go on the Sergent Engineering website tonight ... the S scale coupler button is no longer under the Products tab.

I'm looking to purchase any available EC64K or EC64JK couplers.

Please contact me off list ... t_colasurdo@...

Thank you in advance.

V/r,
Tom C.

Coupler Availability

Jason Borda
 

Frank,

Do you have an update as to when the F couplers and Type SBEC87M040K couplers may be back in stock? Looking to expand my coal and covered hopper fleet.

Thanks,
Jason

Re: Order with a side of knuckles

Cliff
 

Frank, order arrived, and I sent an email regarding #5692-53. Please check soon. 
Thanks

Re: Worldwide shipping policy

Dale Buxton
 

I would imagine this is also safer from a standpoint of preventing mail theft. This go-between shipper wants to stay in business after all. A lot of overseas mail parcels destined to poorer countries from the US get stolen. Its from the US, so the contents just have to be very valuable RIGHT???! Years ago I had a USPS postal worker tell me at the counter to not put a USA return address on  mail destined for Mexico and Central American Countries, so it wouldn't get opened and pilfered WHILE IN THE HANDS OF FOREIGN MAIL SERVICES! He was adamant on this point to anyone shipping south of our border. And he was was Hispanic himself!

Dale Buxton

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 12:04 AM Brian <rallim56@...> wrote:
Reynante,
This is another way of buying from overseas especially with the ridiculous shipping charges that USPS tries to charge overseas customers, if you click on the link and set up an account as part of that set-up they give you a couple of dummy US mailing addresses, the freight charge you pay is only the local domestic charge, and have it sent to one of those dummy addresses when it arrives at “Shipito” they will advise you by email and then you pay an additional fee for them to send the parcel onto you, it works out a lot cheaper then USPS charges.
 
 
Brian
Rawbelle County Workshops
Qld. Aust.
 
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 10:52 AM
Subject: [Sergent Engineering] Worldwide shipping policy
 
Hi,
 
As far as I know, there are only 2 Sergent coupler users here in Philippines, and we managed to get a hold of a pack of FC87K and EC87KB which we split in half. At the time I though that was enough for I have only about 50 rolling stocks including my locos, but it has since been increasing with some more used freight cars being acquired cheap locally(from deceased collectors) from garage sales.
 
So now my stock of sergents are running out, and our friend that helped us before in buying our sergents is no longer able to buy overseas, added to the dilemma the ban on shipping the couplers here as per the sergent engineering website.
 
I would be having some funds for another EC87KB in the following momths and that would be enough to cover my needs but I would need help from someone to buy for me and would be willing to ship here.
 
Reynante

Virus-free. www.avg.com

Re: Worldwide shipping policy

Brian
 

Reynante,
This is another way of buying from overseas especially with the ridiculous shipping charges that USPS tries to charge overseas customers, if you click on the link and set up an account as part of that set-up they give you a couple of dummy US mailing addresses, the freight charge you pay is only the local domestic charge, and have it sent to one of those dummy addresses when it arrives at “Shipito” they will advise you by email and then you pay an additional fee for them to send the parcel onto you, it works out a lot cheaper then USPS charges.
 
 
Brian
Rawbelle County Workshops
Qld. Aust.
 

Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 10:52 AM
Subject: [Sergent Engineering] Worldwide shipping policy
 
Hi,
 
As far as I know, there are only 2 Sergent coupler users here in Philippines, and we managed to get a hold of a pack of FC87K and EC87KB which we split in half. At the time I though that was enough for I have only about 50 rolling stocks including my locos, but it has since been increasing with some more used freight cars being acquired cheap locally(from deceased collectors) from garage sales.
 
So now my stock of sergents are running out, and our friend that helped us before in buying our sergents is no longer able to buy overseas, added to the dilemma the ban on shipping the couplers here as per the sergent engineering website.
 
I would be having some funds for another EC87KB in the following momths and that would be enough to cover my needs but I would need help from someone to buy for me and would be willing to ship here.
 
Reynante

Virus-free. www.avg.com

Worldwide shipping policy

Reynante Bulaon
 

Hi,

As far as I know, there are only 2 Sergent coupler users here in Philippines, and we managed to get a hold of a pack of FC87K and EC87KB which we split in half. At the time I though that was enough for I have only about 50 rolling stocks including my locos, but it has since been increasing with some more used freight cars being acquired cheap locally(from deceased collectors) from garage sales.

So now my stock of sergents are running out, and our friend that helped us before in buying our sergents is no longer able to buy overseas, added to the dilemma the ban on shipping the couplers here as per the sergent engineering website.

I would be having some funds for another EC87KB in the following momths and that would be enough to cover my needs but I would need help from someone to buy for me and would be willing to ship here.

Reynante

Order with a side of knuckles

Cliff
 

Frank,
I'm looking to place an order today and would also like to add some spare knuckles to the list. I could use a little.help with that. Cheers.
Cliff