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Sharon Loco Pilot Couplers?

Derek Garnett
 

Along those lines, I was wondering when the steam locomotive pilot version of the Sharon couplers will be available.  I know the web site says “soon”, but I was wondering how soon, since I plan to order a batch of the Sharon couplers to convert my locomotives and rolling stock.

Before the Shanon couplers were available, I bought a few of the Sergent Type E for testing.  While the Type E is too modern for my period, it was still a lot better-looking than most other available HO couplers.  I model standard gauge during turn-of-the-century period (1895-1905) and Kadee couplers look particularly oversize on the small rolling stock of the period (a 40’ boxcar is “big”).

Also, the Sergent site asks for more information about the obsolescence and replacement of the Sergent coupler.  I don’t have a lot of information, but in The American Railroad Passenger Car (Part 2, page 571) that the Type D coupler was adopted by the MCB in 1916 to address the problem of multiple coupler designs; it was followed by the Type E, adopted in 1931.  NMRA Datasheet D9q largely agrees with this source (citing 1916 and 1932 for the Type D and Type E).  According to the NMRA datasheet, the type D was phased out, with only repair parts being manufactured after 1934.  

I haven’t been able to find any information about when early types of couplers (the Type D, Sharon, and other Type E predecessors) became illegal for interchange.  I did find references that state that this is the case, but don’t give a date when they were outlawed.

---Derek


On Mar 26, 2014, at 9:27 PM, dull.chris@... wrote:

 I'm doing strictly narrow gauge now and moving everything to the new Sharon couplers.


S scale couplers?

Trevor at The Model Railway Show
 

Hi Frank:
John D has posted a photo of the new Sergent S scale couplers on his website...
... and they look great!
Any thoughts on when they'll be offered for sale? Pricing? Ordering info?
I have a large fleet of S scale rolling stock. I'd like to try some of these and - assuming I can build them so they operate reliably, I'm ready to convert. I used your HO couplers on my On2 layout and wrote a review of them for RMC a few years ago, so I have layout experience with your couplers and I'm definitely a fan...
Thanks in advance for any information you can provide.
Cheers!
- Trevor
---
Trevor Marshall
A steam era CNR branch line terminal in its twilight years.

Re: [SergentEng] S scale couplers?

William Uffelman
 

Ready for On3!

Bill Uffelman

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:09 PM, "trevor@..." wrote:
 
Hi Frank:
John D has posted a photo of the new Sergent S scale couplers on his website...
... and they look great!
Any thoughts on when they'll be offered for sale? Pricing? Ordering info?
I have a large fleet of S scale rolling stock. I'd like to try some of these and - assuming I can build them so they operate reliably, I'm ready to convert. I used your HO couplers on my On2 layout and wrote a review of them for RMC a few years ago, so I have layout experience with your couplers and I'm definitely a fan...
Thanks in advance for any information you can provide.
Cheers!
- Trevor
---
Trevor Marshall
A steam era CNR branch line terminal in its twilight years.


Re: Sharon Loco Pilot Couplers?

Frank Sergent
 

Hi Derek and group,
I hope to have the Sharon pilot couplers out in April. It seems that most modelers haven't actually used the pocket that the type E version has historically been provided with so I'll make the pocket available as a separate item.
Thanks,
Frank

Re: S scale couplers?

Frank Sergent
 

I expect (hope?) to have the S scale couplers released in April. I'm currently building stock levels prior to the release. I haven't settled on a price yet, but I'm afraid they won't be cheap.

Frank

Re: [SergentEng] Re: S scale couplers?

William Uffelman
 

Last I checked there is not much in model railroading that involves precision manufacturing that is cheap.

Bring 'em on.

Bill Uffelman
Ocean View DE

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 8:13 PM, "fsergent@..." wrote:
 
I expect (hope?) to have the S scale couplers released in April. I'm currently building stock levels prior to the release. I haven't settled on a price yet, but I'm afraid they won't be cheap.

Frank


Weathering Sergents Question

Dave Snyder
 

Used to be with the "rust" coloured Sergents, I darkened them on the shank close to the draft gear face and silvered  or gunmetaled them on the inside face of wear places with enamel. Now that I am starting to use the black Sergents, I am thinking about using acrylic paint to rust and silver/gunmetal them almost with a dry brush technique. Acrylics seem to adhere well to most surfaces I have done before. Has anyone used them on the black Sergents? Any thoughts?

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.

Re: Weathering Sergents Question

Ryan Harris
 

I use the same process on both the rust colored and the black couplers. I paint the couplers with thinned burnt umber enamel, then brush weathering powders on the freshly painted surface. The powders get into the paint a bit and give me an opportunity to play with the color a bit. I weather boxcar roofs using basically the same technique but with artists oils instead of enamels. With oils, you can push the powders into the oil which gives a very dead flat finish. I haven't used the oils on the couplers since there is a moving part that I don't want to risk locking in place, but it might be worth seeing how careful I can be since the dead flat look is very effective when using oils.

For the polished/worn metal look I use a soft lead pencil to represent the worn metal surfaces by drawing it on where I want it. I also use the same pencil to produce powdered graphite for lubricating the couplers. If you haven't tried using a pencil, give it a shot. It's great for wheel rims, treadplate, nicked handrails, door handles, brakewheels or anywhere else there's lots of wear.

Ryan H
Fort Worth, TX

Re: [SergentEng] Re: S scale couplers?

John Degnan
 

Hear hear!  And be prepared to sell many more of these than you might have expected to... even if only to me, alone.
 
 
John Degnan
 


From: "William Uffelman"
To: SergentEng@...
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 7:27:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SergentEng] Re: S scale couplers?

 
Last I checked there is not much in model railroading that involves precision manufacturing that is cheap.

Bring 'em on.

Bill Uffelman
Ocean View DE
 

Re: S scale couplers?

train346@...
 

I would hope that they are not cheap!

Good & cheap are mutually exclusive.




Rex Beistle

NMRA Rocky Mountain Region

Estes Valley Division

Re: Weathering Sergents Question

Dave Snyder
 

Thanks Ryan. I will try the graphite pencil approach, with it acting as a lubricant and weathering agent sounds appealing. I've gotten used to using acrylics for most all of my painting and especially like their fast drying and minimum solvent odors. I am going to try them on the Sergents and see how they hold up. They do well on locos and rolling stock, but those aren't subjected to the impacts and grating that couplers are.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.

Re: S scale couplers?

bbbogart56@...
 

Nothing in S Scale is cheap! I'm considering a shift in my modeling and doing fine detailed rolling stock and engines. Like starting over, so your couplers might be the best way for me to go. I'll probably make an initial small purchase as a trial ballon because I like what I see and the operational aspects. As always I'm a skeptic, but willing to give it a go. Thanks for the efforts!

Bruce Bogart

Re: [SergentEng] Re: S scale couplers?

John Degnan
 

Sorry, Bruce... not to start a debate or anything like that... but S scale, in comparison to HO, is not really all that expensive.  Some things ub S may not be cheap, but that is true for all scales.  MTH, who now owns the S-Helper Service / Showcase Line product line is making a complete FOOL of themselves by grossly overpricing the stuff... but prior to SHS selling out to them, their stuff was only a little to virtually no more expensive the HO.  I paid only $199 for a brand new, RTR, variable DC powered SW-1 in S scale... an SW-1 that would knock your socks off in visual quality and easily compare to just about anything in HO scale!  And that is just one of many examples I could give you.  So don't anyone just blindly believe this untruth, or much else you hear about S... do the research and find out for yourself.
 
 
John Degnan
 


From: bbbogart56@...
To: SergentEng@...
Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2014 10:32:05 PM
Subject: [SergentEng] Re: S scale couplers?

 

Nothing in S Scale is cheap!

Bruce Bogart

 

Re: [SergentEng] Re: S scale couplers?

bbbogart56@...
 

You aren't starting a debate John, and I've been involved in S Scale since 1989 so I know what's been going on in the scale. Thanks

Bruce Bogart

Re: [SergentEng] Re: S scale couplers?

John Degnan
 

Yep, I've seen you around on the S groups... which is why I'm a bit surprised by your comment.  Even a great deal of the HO guys have commented how nice most of the S stuff is and how most of it is comparable in price to the HO stuff.  This was a comment made to me by no less than two of the 'big-name' HO modelers at our recent RPM meeting.  So even they are starting to sit up and take notice... of both the quality and comparable price of S.  One of these guys even stated point-of-factly that if S had even half of what HO now has, he would immediately move over to S without reservation.  For those who might recognise the name, that person was none other than Mr. Robert ("Bob") Harpe.  He also said, in his own words, that S truly is "the perfect scale."  And if any of you might recognise the name, Nate Stone, who spent more than just a few moments gawking in amazement at a SHS Extended Vision caboose, you'll know the calibre of people I'm referring to.
 
And now that we are (again) adding Sergent couplers to the world of S... I fail to see how it could get much better!
 
 
John Degnan
 


From: bbbogart56@...
To: SergentEng@...
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2014 7:48:23 AM
Subject: Re: [SergentEng] Re: S scale couplers?

 

You aren't starting a debate John, and I've been involved in S Scale since 1989 so I know what's been going on in the scale. Thanks

Bruce Bogart

 

Re: [SergentEng] Re: S scale couplers?

bbbogart56@...
 

Why suprised? I was not complaining. I'm not a controversial guy. In fact if whatever offered is done well and reasonably priced the cost is what it is. But with that said and not comparing to other scales, nothing is cheap. Sorry I got it started.

Bruce Bogart

Re: [SergentEng] Re: S scale couplers?

John Degnan
 

Nothing is started... I'm just trying to prevent others from getting the wrong idea from your wording...
 
John Degnan
 


From: bbbogart56@...
To: SergentEng@...
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:23:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SergentEng] Re: S scale couplers?

 

Why suprised? I was not complaining. I'm not a controversial guy. In fact if whatever offered is done well and reasonably priced the cost is what it is. But with that said and not comparing to other scales, nothing is cheap. Sorry I got it started.

Bruce Bogart


Re: [SergentEng] Re: S scale couplers?

Mike Conder
 

Let's move on guys. This is a list for Sergent couplers, not cost of S scale stuff. You are welcome to take the discussion off-line but I think this topic has run its course.

Mike Conder, Moderator.



From: Scaler164@... ;
To: ;
Subject: Re: [SergentEng] Re: S scale couplers?
Sent: Sun, Apr 6, 2014 3:23:22 PM

 

Nothing is started... I'm just trying to prevent others from getting the wrong idea from your wording...
 
John Degnan
 


From: bbbogart56@...
To: SergentEng@...
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:23:12 AM
Subject: Re: [SergentEng] Re: S scale couplers?

 

Why suprised? I was not complaining. I'm not a controversial guy. In fact if whatever offered is done well and reasonably priced the cost is what it is. But with that said and not comparing to other scales, nothing is cheap. Sorry I got it started.

Bruce Bogart


Tightlock couplers,

Martin Matsil
 


I was wondering if your company if the requests,are many to start manufacturing the following couplers,used on rapid transit cars,such as the Westinghouse,H-2-A,H-2-C,Ohio Brass Tomlinson coupler,the 3 above named couplers feature airbrake hoses,through the draw-head,and if called for an electric portion bolted underneath,for the trains lights,and other functions.They would be a boon to the model railroad hobby,The F,and H couplers,you manufacture look just like the ones used on the prototypes.Thanks.have a happy easter,and Passover.God bless.

Re: Tightlock couplers,

Frank Sergent
 

I've looked at the rapid transit style couplers but haven't come up with any simple way to create an accurate, operating model. At some point, I just get too far out of my comfort zone. You might contact Andy at the Proto87 stores site. I happen to know he shares some of the same interest and is probably capable of coming up with a good solution.

Frank