Date   
Re: [SergentEng] New HO narrow coupler box now available

Duncan Harvey
 

Jim,

��� Do you have coupler boxes with the centering spring feature available for HO narrow gauge couplers?� If so, that may make it so I can begin thinking about switching my fleet of equipment over.� I tried the Sergents without the centering spring and for HOn3 they are just not practical.� The centering feature is needed for those places where you can't see, or reach, to get a car coupled - in a cut, behind a mill, in a mine, behind a warehouse and so on.� Several places on our portable layout have difficult to reach places and the Kadees do a better job with their centering ability.� Please let� me know if such a feature is available for the Sharron style, narrow gauge coupler.� Thanks!

��� ��� ��� ��� ��� ��� ��� ��� ��� ��� Duncan Harvey

New HO narrow coupler box now available

Jim King <jimking3@...>
 

I now have HO coupler boxes to fit narrow shank Sergent ENC87K couplers.  The big improvement over the hard-to-find #1020 Accurail parts is a coupler self-centering option.  Added features are rivet details on the box, rivets/gussets on the lid and available in tinted brown, black and grey urethane to provide a great “weathering base”.  These are in-production and ready for your order!

 

Go here to view details:  http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/HO_&_S_draft_gear+cplrs.html

 

Contact me off-list to place an order, ask questions, etc.  I will reply with an invoice and ship your order within 3 business days from receipt of payment.

 

Jim King

(828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

Re: [SergentEng] Type SF coupler availability

Tim L
 

You'll probably be waiting for as long as I will be for the RailFlyer type to be made available again, or the extended shank type F to be done; which probably means several more years.

In all honesty, it probably better to just email Frank and see if you get a reply.

Tim
Land of OZ

On 04/01/2018 14:04, Ryan Harris ryan.harris@... [SergentEng] wrote:
Does anyone know when the SF couplers will be available again? I only have one car that needs them, so I'm not in a big rush. I don't anticipate acquiring many more cars from the window in the 70s when they were required, but it would be nice to have the correct couplers at some point.
Ryan Harris
Fort Worth TX

Re: [SergentEng] New coupler boxes coming soon

 

Sort of like having auto reversing headlights on our models. It's been around so long most modelers think the real ones do it - NOT!
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA

On Jan 3, 2018 8:14 PM, "John Degnan Scaler164@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

WITHOUT centering is definitely the correct way... but there are many modelers who have been spoiled by the auto-centering feature Kadee introduced, and now demand it... with many aging modelers likely needing it due to diminishing handling capabilities.  The funny thing is - the design of Kadee couplers, with their larger "gathering range," makes them LESS needy of a centering spring than Sergent couplers are (for those who want auto-centering)... yet here we are in our backwards little world.  Kadee's excessively wide draft gear boxes (although I'm sure they serve their purpose in some cases (like on small layouts with tight curves)) have also spoiled many beautiful models by being just that - too wide and just plain GAUDY!


I developed both the centering option AND my soon-to-come (in S scale) narrow draft gear boxes to deal with both of these issues because of comments I heard from those who lurk in S scale... how they didn't like Sergent couplers because they didn't auto-center... AND... how they didn't come with their own draft gear boxes.  So... I developed both for S scale... because the options were in demand... and to possibly help Sergent sell more couplers in S scale (to those who want auto-centering).  Now everyone can be as happy as they want to be.  To each his own... now, even in HO.



John D

Scaler164@...



On January 3, 2018 at 6:25 PM "Scott Walton jscottwalton@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:

 
I'm glad to see that it's optional. I've worked as a brakeman on a couple of tourist lines so I've coupled and uncoupled the real thing. Part of the routine there is to bring the train to a stop about 3 feet short of the the cars. Then open one or both of the knuckles and line up the couplers so that they mate. One of the things I like about the Sergents is that that is the way they work. So I'll leave out the centering spring (But I'm pretty sure that I will be ordering several of these coupler boxes).

Scott

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:10 PM, John Degnan Scaler164@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

 

Scott (and all),


The self centering feature is an OPTION with this draft gear box.  You choose whether or not you want to use it.  If not, simply omit the spring.


It may do away with the ability to couple on curves, but it should guarantee coupling on straights.  But what is one to do in the case of coupling on a curved siding when having just uncoupled from a train on a straight main?  One way or another, there's no foolproof solution for this issue.  Centering or non-centering - it doesn't matter... there will always be a situation where NEITHER work!



John Degnan

Scaler164@...



On January 3, 2018 at 3:59 PM "Scott Walton jscottwalton@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:

 
Your web page mentions "self-centering".. If this means that the coupler automatically returns to the center position, doesn't this do away with one of Sergent;s advantages: the ability to couple on a curve?

Scott Walton

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 2:48 PM, 'Jim King' jimking3@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

 

In early December, I mentioned that I was designing a new coupler box to replace the hard-to-find Accurail box with the added treat of self-centering.  The design cycle was completed just before Christmas and patterns ordered.  If they are “on time”, I should receive them by next Monday.  Once I make the first rubber mold and some test castings, they will be announced as “in production/ready to sell” (assuming no design/pattern changes are required).  These parts will remain in-stock indefinitely so you won’t have to worry about “needing and not having” for future projects.

 

Stay tuned …

 

Jim King

(828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

 

 



--
Scott Walton


 

 

 



--
Scott Walton


 

Re: [SergentEng] New coupler boxes coming soon

John Degnan
 

WITHOUT centering is definitely the correct way... but there are many modelers who have been spoiled by the auto-centering feature Kadee introduced, and now demand it... with many aging modelers likely needing it due to diminishing handling capabilities.  The funny thing is - the design of Kadee couplers, with their larger "gathering range," makes them LESS needy of a centering spring than Sergent couplers are (for those who want auto-centering)... yet here we are in our backwards little world.  Kadee's excessively wide draft gear boxes (although I'm sure they serve their purpose in some cases (like on small layouts with tight curves)) have also spoiled many beautiful models by being just that - too wide and just plain GAUDY!


I developed both the centering option AND my soon-to-come (in S scale) narrow draft gear boxes to deal with both of these issues because of comments I heard from those who lurk in S scale... how they didn't like Sergent couplers because they didn't auto-center... AND... how they didn't come with their own draft gear boxes.  So... I developed both for S scale... because the options were in demand... and to possibly help Sergent sell more couplers in S scale (to those who want auto-centering).  Now everyone can be as happy as they want to be.  To each his own... now, even in HO.



John D

Scaler164@...



On January 3, 2018 at 6:25 PM "Scott Walton jscottwalton@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:

 
I'm glad to see that it's optional. I've worked as a brakeman on a couple of tourist lines so I've coupled and uncoupled the real thing. Part of the routine there is to bring the train to a stop about 3 feet short of the the cars. Then open one or both of the knuckles and line up the couplers so that they mate. One of the things I like about the Sergents is that that is the way they work. So I'll leave out the centering spring (But I'm pretty sure that I will be ordering several of these coupler boxes).

Scott

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:10 PM, John Degnan Scaler164@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

 

Scott (and all),


The self centering feature is an OPTION with this draft gear box.  You choose whether or not you want to use it.  If not, simply omit the spring.


It may do away with the ability to couple on curves, but it should guarantee coupling on straights.  But what is one to do in the case of coupling on a curved siding when having just uncoupled from a train on a straight main?  One way or another, there's no foolproof solution for this issue.  Centering or non-centering - it doesn't matter... there will always be a situation where NEITHER work!



John Degnan

Scaler164@...



On January 3, 2018 at 3:59 PM "Scott Walton jscottwalton@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:

 
Your web page mentions "self-centering".. If this means that the coupler automatically returns to the center position, doesn't this do away with one of Sergent;s advantages: the ability to couple on a curve?

Scott Walton

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 2:48 PM, 'Jim King' jimking3@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

 

In early December, I mentioned that I was designing a new coupler box to replace the hard-to-find Accurail box with the added treat of self-centering.  The design cycle was completed just before Christmas and patterns ordered.  If they are “on time”, I should receive them by next Monday.  Once I make the first rubber mold and some test castings, they will be announced as “in production/ready to sell” (assuming no design/pattern changes are required).  These parts will remain in-stock indefinitely so you won’t have to worry about “needing and not having” for future projects.

 

Stay tuned …

 

Jim King

(828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

 

 



--
Scott Walton


 

 

 



--
Scott Walton


 

Type SF coupler availability

Ryan Harris
 


Does anyone know when the SF couplers will be available again? I only have one car that needs them, so I'm not in a big rush. I don't anticipate acquiring many more cars from the window in the 70s when they were required, but it would be nice to have the correct couplers at some point. 

Ryan Harris 
Fort Worth TX 


Re: New coupler boxes coming soon

Jim King <jimking3@...>
 

Scott,

 

As John stated, the centering is optional. 

 

I, too, have been “on the ground” with the real thing for a lot of years, from brakeman to trainmaster to engineer, including “working” with a Southern Ry yard crew during my 4 years in college between 1977 and 1981 where I was taught the “railroader’s way” of switching and running the yard engines (GP38s, GP38-2s, GP30s and GP35s).  It was truly an honor being with those guys, 2 of whom came to my college graduation and wedding.  GP30 2601 at Spencer museum is one I ran during those cherished years when it was a “regular engine”.  I was photographed with “my” crew on that engine by the station agent … the photo appears in Mike George’s “Murphy Branch” book.  It was also the engine I ran several years ago during a Saturday evening dinner train on Great Smoky Mtns RR when ownership of the RR changed.  Current editor of TRAINS Magazine, Jim Wrinn, a long-time friend from college (he was still in HS when we met in 1978), organized the weekend event and special onboard dinner that Saturday.  He teased me before we left leaving Bryson City about not spilling his drink.  Fortunately, none of the glasses were filled more than halfway!

 

That trip was the closest I’ve ever been to “running on the main” despite being limited to 15 mph by the topography.  The feeling I got sitting in the right-hand seat with my feet propped up on the heater and listening to 2250 turbocharged horses whine thru the trees at Run 8 simply can’t be put into words.  It’s a feeling every railfan should experience at least once in life.

 

I can’t remember how many times people have asked me if I worked for the Southern because of that crew picture in Canton … nope … but I spent enough time there after classes to FEEL like I did.  Ahhh, those were great days, never to be repeated.

 

Jim King

(828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

Re: [SergentEng] New coupler boxes coming soon

Scott Walton
 

I'm glad to see that it's optional. I've worked as a brakeman on a couple of tourist lines so I've coupled and uncoupled the real thing. Part of the routine there is to bring the train to a stop about 3 feet short of the the cars. Then open one or both of the knuckles and line up the couplers so that they mate. One of the things I like about the Sergents is that that is the way they work. So I'll leave out the centering spring (But I'm pretty sure that I will be ordering several of these coupler boxes).

Scott

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:10 PM, John Degnan Scaler164@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

Scott (and all),


The self centering feature is an OPTION with this draft gear box.  You choose whether or not you want to use it.  If not, simply omit the spring.


It may do away with the ability to couple on curves, but it should guarantee coupling on straights.  But what is one to do in the case of coupling on a curved siding when having just uncoupled from a train on a straight main?  One way or another, there's no foolproof solution for this issue.  Centering or non-centering - it doesn't matter... there will always be a situation where NEITHER work!



John Degnan

Scaler164@...



On January 3, 2018 at 3:59 PM "Scott Walton jscottwalton@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:

 
Your web page mentions "self-centering".. If this means that the coupler automatically returns to the center position, doesn't this do away with one of Sergent;s advantages: the ability to couple on a curve?

Scott Walton

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 2:48 PM, 'Jim King' jimking3@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

 

In early December, I mentioned that I was designing a new coupler box to replace the hard-to-find Accurail box with the added treat of self-centering.  The design cycle was completed just before Christmas and patterns ordered.  If they are “on time”, I should receive them by next Monday.  Once I make the first rubber mold and some test castings, they will be announced as “in production/ready to sell” (assuming no design/pattern changes are required).  These parts will remain in-stock indefinitely so you won’t have to worry about “needing and not having” for future projects.

 

Stay tuned …

 

Jim King

(828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

 

 



--
Scott Walton


 




--
Scott Walton

Re: [SergentEng] New coupler boxes coming soon

John Degnan
 

Scott (and all),


The self centering feature is an OPTION with this draft gear box.  You choose whether or not you want to use it.  If not, simply omit the spring.


It may do away with the ability to couple on curves, but it should guarantee coupling on straights.  But what is one to do in the case of coupling on a curved siding when having just uncoupled from a train on a straight main?  One way or another, there's no foolproof solution for this issue.  Centering or non-centering - it doesn't matter... there will always be a situation where NEITHER work!



John Degnan

Scaler164@...



On January 3, 2018 at 3:59 PM "Scott Walton jscottwalton@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:

 
Your web page mentions "self-centering".. If this means that the coupler automatically returns to the center position, doesn't this do away with one of Sergent;s advantages: the ability to couple on a curve?

Scott Walton

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 2:48 PM, 'Jim King' jimking3@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

 

In early December, I mentioned that I was designing a new coupler box to replace the hard-to-find Accurail box with the added treat of self-centering.  The design cycle was completed just before Christmas and patterns ordered.  If they are “on time”, I should receive them by next Monday.  Once I make the first rubber mold and some test castings, they will be announced as “in production/ready to sell” (assuming no design/pattern changes are required).  These parts will remain in-stock indefinitely so you won’t have to worry about “needing and not having” for future projects.

 

Stay tuned …

 

Jim King

(828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

 

 



--
Scott Walton


 

Re: [SergentEng] New coupler boxes coming soon

Jim
 

Great news Jim!

Jim

with iOS 11.2.1





























On Jan 3, 2018, at 14:48, 'Jim King' jimking3@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:

 

In early December, I mentioned that I was designing a new coupler box to replace the hard-to-find Accurail box with the added treat of self-centering.  The design cycle was completed just before Christmas and patterns ordered.  If they are “on time”, I should receive them by next Monday.  Once I make the first rubber mold and some test castings, they will be announced as “in production/ready to sell” (assuming no design/pattern changes are required).  These parts will remain in-stock indefinitely so you won’t have to worry about “needing and not having” for future projects.

 

Stay tuned …

 

Jim King

(828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

Re: [SergentEng] New coupler boxes coming soon

Scott Walton
 

Your web page mentions "self-centering". If this means that the coupler automatically returns to the center position, doesn't this do away with one of Sergent;s advantages: the ability to couple on a curve?

Scott Walton

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 2:48 PM, 'Jim King' jimking3@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

In early December, I mentioned that I was designing a new coupler box to replace the hard-to-find Accurail box with the added treat of self-centering.  The design cycle was completed just before Christmas and patterns ordered.  If they are “on time”, I should receive them by next Monday.  Once I make the first rubber mold and some test castings, they will be announced as “in production/ready to sell” (assuming no design/pattern changes are required).  These parts will remain in-stock indefinitely so you won’t have to worry about “needing and not having” for future projects.

 

Stay tuned …

 

Jim King

(828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 




--
Scott Walton

Re: New coupler boxes coming soon

Mark Lewis
 

Jim:

Looking forward to the announcement.

Mark Lewis
Stony Point, NC

New coupler boxes coming soon

Jim King <jimking3@...>
 

In early December, I mentioned that I was designing a new coupler box to replace the hard-to-find Accurail box with the added treat of self-centering.  The design cycle was completed just before Christmas and patterns ordered.  If they are “on time”, I should receive them by next Monday.  Once I make the first rubber mold and some test castings, they will be announced as “in production/ready to sell” (assuming no design/pattern changes are required).  These parts will remain in-stock indefinitely so you won’t have to worry about “needing and not having” for future projects.

 

Stay tuned …

 

Jim King

(828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 

HOn3 coupler height tool.

Michael Graff
 

Hi all, I made this for my own use to check the coupler height on the Sharon Couplers on my HOn3 equipment.
It also has a platform to check if the cars are ready for coupler box installation.
I made it available on Shapeways if anyone want to try it out.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/STH828QS4/hon3-sergent-coupler-gauge?optionId=64296833&li=shop-inventory
Best regards, Michael Graff.

Re: [SergentEng] Re: Coupler boxes?

John Degnan
 

Ok, I see.  Well... if you need any more, a replacement draft gear box will be available soon.... likely before the end of this month.



John D

Scaler164@...


On December 7, 2017 at 5:50 PM "Michael Graff michael.graff@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:

 

I don't have any draft gear boxes...

They aren't included in the car kits nor on the brass locomotives.
I have used the Accurail boxes, but as they aren't available I had to ask if there's another option available.
I have fortunately gotten a bunch of Accurail boxes now from a member here. 
Regards Michael.


På tors, dec. 2017 klockan 23:04, John Degnan Scaler164@... [SergentEng]
<SergentEng@...> skrev:
 

 

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying... is the problem the draft gear box or the coupler?  What are you trying to do - install a coupler in the existing gear box or replace the entire gear box?  If the Sergent EN (narrow shank) coupler will fit in the stock gear box... why replace it?  If it won't fit, figure out why, then rectify the issue(s) then install the EN Sergent coupler of your choice.


If you can take and post pictures of the gear box on your model, surely someone here will be able to help you figure out a solution.



John Degnan

Scaler164@...



On December 7, 2017 at 11:48 AM "Alan Hummel ahummel72@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:

I have a different problem,I believe as I have Intermountain corn syrup tankers from years ago with Accurail draft boxes but I need narrow shank SE couplers to fit these boxes,and am told Kadee style boxes won't fit on these tankers. Any ideas besides get rid of the tankers.
 


 

Re: [SergentEng] Re: Coupler boxes?

Michael Graff
 

I don't have any draft gear boxes...
They aren't included in the car kits nor on the brass locomotives.
I have used the Accurail boxes, but as they aren't available I had to ask if there's another option available.
I have fortunately gotten a bunch of Accurail boxes now from a member here. 

På tors, dec. 2017 klockan 23:04, John Degnan Scaler164@... [SergentEng]
skrev:
 

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying... is the problem the draft gear box or the coupler?  What are you trying to do - install a coupler in the existing gear box or replace the entire gear box?  If the Sergent EN (narrow shank) coupler will fit in the stock gear box... why replace it?  If it won't fit, figure out why, then rectify the issue(s) then install the EN Sergent coupler of your choice.


If you can take and post pictures of the gear box on your model, surely someone here will be able to help you figure out a solution.



John Degnan

Scaler164@...



On December 7, 2017 at 11:48 AM "Alan Hummel ahummel72@... [SergentEng]" wrote:

I have a different problem,I believe as I have Intermountain corn syrup tankers from years ago with Accurail draft boxes but I need narrow shank SE couplers to fit these boxes,and am told Kadee style boxes won't fit on these tankers. Any ideas besides get rid of the tankers.

Re: [SergentEng] Re: Coupler boxes?

John Degnan
 

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying... is the problem the draft gear box or the coupler?  What are you trying to do - install a coupler in the existing gear box or replace the entire gear box?  If the Sergent EN (narrow shank) coupler will fit in the stock gear box... why replace it?  If it won't fit, figure out why, then rectify the issue(s) then install the EN Sergent coupler of your choice.


If you can take and post pictures of the gear box on your model, surely someone here will be able to help you figure out a solution.



John Degnan

Scaler164@...



On December 7, 2017 at 11:48 AM "Alan Hummel ahummel72@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:

I have a different problem,I believe as I have Intermountain corn syrup tankers from years ago with Accurail draft boxes but I need narrow shank SE couplers to fit these boxes,and am told Kadee style boxes won't fit on these tankers. Any ideas besides get rid of the tankers.

Re: [SergentEng] Re: Coupler boxes?

jzook@...
 

While we're all anxiously awaiting the arrival of the new draft gear boxes to replace the Accurail version, has anyone tried the Precision Scale draft gearbox, part# 32025.  PSC describes this draft gear box as a replacement to the standard Kadee #714 draft gear box.  I know with a little reaming of the Sharon shank, the Sharons will fit into the Kadee 714 draft gear box.  That makes me think the Sharon will also fit into PSC's draft gear box.

Thoughts always appreciated.

Jon

Re: [SergentEng] Re: Coupler boxes?

Alan Hummel
 

I have a different problem,I believe as I have Intermountain corn syrup tankers from years ago with Accurail draft boxes but I need narrow shank SE couplers to fit these boxes,and am told Kadee style boxes won't fit on these tankers. Any ideas besides get rid of the tankers.



On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:00 PM, "ROBERT MARGERUM robmar@... [SergentEng]" wrote:


 
Try accurail but they are probably out of stock


On Dec 6, 2017, at 12:06 PM, michael.graff@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:

 
I know the Accurail are no more. But is there any way to mount the Sergent now?
I wonder if anyone has a cad file on the Accurail to share?


Re: [SergentEng] Re: Coupler boxes?

John Degnan
 

A (better and more detailed) replacement for the Accurail box is coming soon from another manufacturer.  Hang in there.



John D

Scaler164@...


On December 6, 2017 at 12:06 PM "michael.graff@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:

 

I know the Accurail are no more. But is there any way to mount the Sergent now?
I wonder if anyone has a cad file on the Accurail to share?