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Re: [SergentEng] Re: Limited Time Availability, and other random thoughts

Tim L
 

Yeah I'll play.

A Pyrotechnician I am.

Tim
Land of OZ

On 18/11/2015 00:11, Carey Probst s-scale@... [SergentEng] wrote:
Actually this has intrigued me a bit, wondering what many of us do/did
for a living.

Nuclear physicist is cool
I'll claim Rocket Scientist (Aerospace Engineer) and computer geek

Anybody else want to play?

Carey Probst
Pennsyltucky RR
Chief Microferroequineologist

Re: [SergentEng] Re: Limited Time Availability, and other random thoughts, and ORNL

Christopher Zurek
 

John,

I dabbled in 1.5" scale trains a little over 15 years ago. The best coupler I found (although the most expensive at the time and probably still) was the stainless steel ones from Super Scale. They only had Type E though.

I really appreciate that in HO scale Frank has make so many types.

Chris Z.

On 11/17/2015 10:52 PM, John Larkin jflarkingrc@... [SergentEng] wrote:
 
I'm much more of a learner than an expert, just getting into HO this winter when I can't work outside on my 1.6" scale live steam track, but I worked for Union Pacific RR in management (Schedule Control, Mgr Grain Trains (transportation dept)) then went to computers for 10 years and then two shortlines.  The shortlines have the advantage that I got to blow the whistle!  Our second one was almost all grain and fertilizer freight cars, plus a dinner train and passenger train. 

We certainly could use 1.6" scale couplers with the detail and accuracy of the Sergent HO ones!  One of the things that amazed me the most about live steam was that certain companies couplers didn't couple to some others, amazing when all they had to do was scale down the prototype standard.  Every hobby has it's strange points, but it certainly is nice to be able to ride your own engines, rather hard to do in HO:).

John Larkin


Re: [SergentEng] Re: Limited Time Availability, and other random thoughts

Christopher Zurek
 

Well I guess I'll play also, even though I don't have much to say.

I was an engineer also, but not one that drives trains. I was a sustaining engineer for a semiconductor firm. I'm currently on SSDI due to many different health issues, mainly heart problems.

Chris Z.

On 11/17/2015 7:44 AM, john sorrel jmsorrel@... [SergentEng] wrote:
 
I will play also.

I am a Locomotive Engineer currently working for PGR on the Wisconsin Northern.

John Sorrel
 



Re: [SergentEng] Re: Limited Time Availability, and other random thoughts

katmedia@...
 

Heck since I'm retired I guess I'm "playing" !! I am a retired Broadcast Radio Engineer, radio station owner/operator from the Pacific Northwest. Did our morning show for over 35 years and meet a ton of nice folks both in the business and had some great surprises in finding out that many in the entertainment field were model railroaders... had a great interview with Rod Stewart once down in Seattle. He really does travel with a ton of kits and a well stocked workbench that puts mine to shame!!

 Now relocated to Montrose, Colorado and with the help of my wife Debbie, we are building a 28x 32 foot On30 layout. Lots of fun. However, now in the middle of doing Chemotherapy, its a battle sometimes to get motivated for working on the layout. If there are any modelers, any scale, who would like to get there hands dirty in helping to build and you're in the Montrose area, we would love to have you stop by. You can contact us at katmedia@.... Hope to see some friendly faces in the near future..... Cheers!!


Recommendation?

katmedia@...
 

Is there a particular Sergents coupler I should use for On30 narrow guage? I like the operation I have seen in HO but they are too small.

Thanks for the info...

Rick Bell, Spring Creek Railway

Montrose, CO

Re: Recommendation?

Stan Rutledge
 

Hi,

   The "S" scale coupler makes a good model of the 3/4 size coupler of the
narrow gauge lines.

     Stan

Sharons for a MTL C&S coal car (gondola)

Jeff Young
 

The MTL HOn3 C&S coal cars seem to have a different draft gear box than the MTL HOn3 reefers mentioned in the Conder/Niemeyer/Zook article, so I thought I'd share my experiences with them.

The coal cars have draft gear boxes which are perhaps closer to the MTL N-scale boxes used on the Trout Creek log cars: the Sharons are a very loose fit on the posts, and the boxes (such as they are as they have no sides at the front where the couplers emerge) are attached to the cars with plastic pins.

I thought about sleeving the posts as described in the HOn3 Annual article, but the draft gear boxes aren't remotely prototypical anyway, so I decided to toss them and go with the Accumate boxes. 

The screws supplied self-tap nicely into the plastic pin holes (which are also in the right position), but the screws are too long.  I tapped the holes with the screws whole, and then cut their points off.  (Once the holes are tapped, the screws thread in fine without their points.)

The Accumate draft gear boxes also need shortening right in front of their back holes. 

Other than that, it's all pretty straight-forward.

Cheers,
Jeff.


Re: [SergentEng] Sharons for a MTL C&S coal car (gondola)

Dale Buxton
 

Jeff, let me ask you this,

While the Accumate draft gear boxes look great and enhance the look of the cars. I found that they interfered with the truck swing on the MTL Reefers. They hung up on the backs of the wheel sets on anything less than 22" radius. Since the under frames of the gon's are different, do the Accumate boxes interfere with the truck swing on these cars?

Something else that I found. Sergent's do not need the vast amount of end swing or gathering range that Kadee 714's do! Nearly all of the end swing you need takes place at the Sergent coupler's knuckle faces (as per prototype!). So, you can put Sergent's Sharon's in a vastly narrower draft gear box. It need only be a tad wider than the Sharon couplers shank at it's widest.

Lastly you can attach Sargent's Sharon's with nothing more than a pivot pin sleeve of brass tube of proper length and diameter, a screw through that and a washer to hold the pin and coupler shank to the car. At this point I don't even need the coupler spring. With the arrangement I use, the Sergent's are in link-up range all the time!

Dale Buxton


--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 11/21/15, jeff@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:

Subject: [SergentEng] Sharons for a MTL C&S coal car (gondola)
To: SergentEng@...
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2015, 11:19 AM


 









The MTL HOn3 C&S coal cars seem to have a
different draft gear box than the MTL HOn3 reefers mentioned
in the Conder/Niemeyer/Zook article, so I thought I'd
share my experiences with them.

The coal cars have draft gear boxes which are
perhaps closer to the MTL N-scale boxes used on the Trout
Creek log cars: the Sharons are a very loose fit on the
posts, and the boxes (such as they are as they have no sides
at the front where the couplers emerge) are attached to the
cars with plastic pins.

I
thought about sleeving the posts as described in the HOn3
Annual article, but the draft gear boxes aren't remotely
prototypical anyway, so I decided to toss them and go with
the Accumate boxes. 

The
screws supplied self-tap nicely into the plastic pin holes
(which are also in the right position), but the screws are
too long.  I tapped the holes with the screws whole, and
then cut their points off.  (Once the holes are tapped, the
screws thread in fine without their points.)

The Accumate draft gear boxes
also need shortening right in front of their back holes. 


Other than that, it's
all pretty straight-forward.

Cheers,
Jeff.











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Re: [SergentEng] Sharons for a MTL C&S coal car (gondola)

Mike Van Hove
 

Thanks, Jeff.

That’s one of the things I like about the Sergents.  They are often an adventure in how…  But there always seems to be a way.

Mike Van Hove

On Nov 21, 2015, at 12:19 PM, jeff@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:

The MTL HOn3 C&S coal cars seem to have a different draft gear box than the MTL HOn3 reefers mentioned in the Conder/Niemeyer/Zook article, so I thought I'd share my experiences with them.

The coal cars have draft gear boxes which are perhaps closer to the MTL N-scale boxes used on the Trout Creek log cars: the Sharons are a very loose fit on the posts, and the boxes (such as they are as they have no sides at the front where the couplers emerge) are attached to the cars with plastic pins.

I thought about sleeving the posts as described in the HOn3 Annual article, but the draft gear boxes aren't remotely prototypical anyway, so I decided to toss them and go with the Accumate boxes.  

The screws supplied self-tap nicely into the plastic pin holes (which are also in the right position), but the screws are too long.  I tapped the holes with the screws whole, and then cut their points off.  (Once the holes are tapped, the screws thread in fine without their points.)

The Accumate draft gear boxes also need shortening right in front of their back holes.  

Other than that, it's all pretty straight-forward.

Cheers,
Jeff.




Re: [SergentEng] Sharons for a MTL C&S coal car (gondola)

John Niemeyer <jniemeyer@...>
 

Dale & Jeff

You are correct on using just a sleeve to attach the Sergent coupler. I did just that and was photographed in 2011 HOn3 Annual, (article by the late Brett Payne MMR, Philip Light & me, John Niemeyer) mounted on a HOn3 N. J. International, D&RGW, flanger "OD". I did however use the "E" series coupler, as the Sharon wasn't yet available.

The sleeve that I used in the MTL 1029 coupler draft gear box, was done on a Trout Creek Engineering Swayne log car. A larger draft gear box, would not have fit the model, so I was stuck using the smallest box that I could find.

I did see that someone on Shapeways, has a "N" scale coupler pocket designed for the McHenry "N" scale coupler. With hopes, someone better that me could design an "HO" coupler pocket that would fit into the same space as a MTL draft gear box. This could be used in HOn3, HOn30 or HOn2.

The part of the 2014 article on the MTL reefer was done by Jonathan Zook or Cameron Bryers. JZ & Cameron are both on this group and maybe they could comment. Hint hint!!

John Niemeyer



Jeff, let me ask you this,

While the Accumate draft gear boxes look great and enhance the look of the cars. I found that they interfered with the truck swing on the MTL Reefers. They hung up on the backs of the wheel sets on anything less than 22" radius. Since the under frames of the gon's are different, do the Accumate boxes interfere with the truck swing on these cars?

Something else that I found. Sergent's do not need the vast amount of end swing or gathering range that Kadee 714's do! Nearly all of the end swing you need takes place at the Sergent coupler's knuckle faces (as per prototype!). So, you can put Sergent's Sharon's in a vastly narrower draft gear box. It need only be a tad wider than the Sharon couplers shank at it's widest.

Lastly you can attach Sargent's Sharon's with nothing more than a pivot pin sleeve of brass tube of proper length and diameter, a screw through that and a washer to hold the pin and coupler shank to the car. At this point I don't even need the coupler spring. With the arrangement I use, the Sergent's are in link-up range all the time!

Dale Buxton


--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 11/21/15, jeff@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:

Subject: [SergentEng] Sharons for a MTL C&S coal car (gondola)
To: SergentEng@...
Date: Saturday, November 21, 2015, 11:19 AM












The MTL HOn3 C&S coal cars seem to have a
different draft gear box than the MTL HOn3 reefers mentioned
in the Conder/Niemeyer/Zook article, so I thought I'd
share my experiences with them.

The coal cars have draft gear boxes which are
perhaps closer to the MTL N-scale boxes used on the Trout
Creek log cars: the Sharons are a very loose fit on the
posts, and the boxes (such as they are as they have no sides
at the front where the couplers emerge) are attached to the
cars with plastic pins.

I
thought about sleeving the posts as described in the HOn3
Annual article, but the draft gear boxes aren't remotely
prototypical anyway, so I decided to toss them and go with
the Accumate boxes.

The
screws supplied self-tap nicely into the plastic pin holes
(which are also in the right position), but the screws are
too long. I tapped the holes with the screws whole, and
then cut their points off. (Once the holes are tapped, the
screws thread in fine without their points.)

The Accumate draft gear boxes
also need shortening right in front of their back holes.


Other than that, it's
all pretty straight-forward.

Cheers,
Jeff.











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Posted by: Dale Buxton <the_one_tuatha_ddana@...>
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Re: [SergentEng] Sharons for a MTL C&S coal car (gondola)

Jeff Young
 

Hi Dale,

I’m afraid I can’t answer your question.  Most of my curves are 25”, and the couple of places I drop down to around 20” aren't laid yet.

I might try to see if I can angle the trucks correctly on an 18” drawn circle, which should give us some info, if not a definitive answer.

Cheers,
Jeff.

Re: [SergentEng] Sharons for a MTL C&S coal car (gondola)

Jeff Young
 

Hi Dale,

I turned my car upside down, and the draft gear box is definitely the first thing the wheels hit. However, if I position the trucks so that the wheels are just touching the tabs sticking out of the draft gear box, the intersection of the truck centrelines is 16” - 17” away. Removing the tabs brings it down to 11” - 12”.

Now I imagine with a bit of car rocking, axle drift, etc. you can’t quite get 100% of either of those. But I’d be reasonably confident the coal cars with the stock Accumates will go down to 21” curves, and with the tabs removed even 15”.

I do have some reefers, so I’ll do one of those next and see if it really is different (or if my test methodology just doesn’t match actual experience).

Cheers,
Jeff.

Re: [SergentEng] Sharons for a MTL C&S coal car (gondola)

Jeff Young
 

A bit more info:

The reefer and coal car underframes appear to be substantially the same. Interestingly, my button herald reefer has screws attaching the draft gear boxes, whereas my block-lettered reefer has the same plastic pins as my coal cars (both button herald and block-lettered).

The more substantial difference is that the reefers have the front facings of draft gear boxes cast into the shell. This is going to foul the front lip of the Accumate boxes, pushing them lower and perhaps in turn creating more fouling issues with the trucks.

It’s possible removing the top front lip of the Accumate boxes would alleviate this.

But I’m not entirely convinced that this difference can account for the entire discrepancy between my coal car curve-tolerance estimations and Dale’s reefer curve-tolerance experiences.

Jeff.

Re: [SergentEng] Re: Limited Time Availability, and other random thoughts

sambear07
 

For over 20 years I worked as an Advertising Manager for a newspaper then an auction company. One day I saw a poster near my home looking for a cabinet maker; within three months of my interview I was asked to buy the company. Five years on and still I am learning much on the job.
Don C
Dalmeny, SK

Re: Intermountain Auto Racks?

Byron Rissetton
 

Re: [SergentEng] Re: Intermountain Auto Racks? [1 Attachment]

Nathan Rich
 

Looks good to me, only thing missing is an air hose. The PWRS guys were at one of the recent train shows I went to and I asked to see the air hoses in person but they did not have them.

Oh well.

Nathan Rich

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 7:18 AM, b.rissetton@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 
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Re: Intermountain Auto Racks?

Byron Rissetton
 

I'm getting some of those shortly and mu cables as well ill try and fashion them up on the auto racks and modern reefers I have to see how the look and operate

Byron

Re: Intermountain Auto Racks?

Byron Rissetton
 

New guy with some thoughts about couplers

Michael Graff
 

Hey all!
This narrow gauge thing in HOn3 can be a bit tricky at times...
I have tested some of my Kadee equipped locomotives and cars on the layout I bought last spring.
Then I experienced one thing that annoyed me. Greatly!
When running the coaches at speed they oscillate longitudinally.
Not good....

This is obviously because of the Kadee couplers construction ( # 714)?
They spring in the longitudinal direction, and the result makes it look very unrealistic.

How did I find a cure?
I bit the bullet and order a copious amount (well, almost...) of Sergent Sharon couplers!!
Both short and long ones, all inspired by the article in the 2014 HOn3 Annual.
These very scale like couplers, can they solve the oscillating issue and not only the ugly uncouplers that the Kadees have.

I have ordered assembly jigs for them too, as it should make things a bit easier.
They was not much more expensive than Kadees, so that alone speaks for Sergent.
Wish me patience!
:D

Re: Intermountain Auto Racks?

Cliff
 

The autos look good. Mind sharing a measurement from the "heel" portion of the coupler head to the striker?

Also I'm digging the Sergents on the BLMA beer box. Was the conversion easy? My Exactrail beer box wasn't.