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Re: [SergentEng] Re: Kato coupler conversions

Christopher Zurek
 

I decided to go the route of the DW buffer and a scale width coupler.

I have a couple of Kato GP35's, one in Rio Grande and one in SP, that I'm working on.  The Rio Grande on is 19 years old and I thing the SP one is pushing 22 years. They both still run great.
Besides the scale buffer and Sergent couplers they are also getting nose lights, sound and LED lighting.

I will say that reworking the pilots with scale buffers and using Sergent couplers really helps the look of these models. When they get done I will put up pictures.

Chris Z.


On 5/30/2014 2:22 PM, James Wall nsc39dash8@... [SergentEng] wrote:
 

Now to clean up the Kato draft gear I would use the new Detail West scale coupler buffer. The I would try the narrow shank in the scale box which will need some work to fit a loco, have not tried this yet either, just an idea. I made a suggest for the tailor made to fit these new DA coupler buffers and the Atlas locomotive scale coupler pocket. I hope Frank will work on this in the future. I have used the EC87 as shown in the guide section for the Atlas.

James Wall




Re: [SergentEng] Sergents for FT's

Rob McLear
 

Yep

Say them but what I was asking about is if anyone has used them and what is the coupled distance between the A and the B unit and between the B units.   I know what the prototype was and was curious to know how close the Sergents would come.

Rob McLear.

Re: [SergentEng] Sergents for FT's

Tim L
 

Rob,

I haven't used them so can't answer the actual coupled distance for
you, but I did stumble across the thread below on a forum that has
some pictures of the Taylor mades fitted to an FT A-B set; this should
give you a good visual indication if no one can come back with the
actual distance. The pictures are towards the bottom of the page.

www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/80705-pidcock-lines-was-stewart-ft-couplings/

Cheers,

Tim
Land of OZ

On 01/06/2014 16:27, roblmclear@... [SergentEng] wrote:
Yep


Say them but what I was asking about is if anyone has used them and what
is the coupled distance between the A and the B unit and between the B
units. I know what the prototype was and was curious to know how close
the Sergents would come.

Rob McLear.

Re: [SergentEng] Sergents for FT's

Ernest Puddick
 

I am the proud owner of the FTs. When l'm home on Monday l'll check the dimension. I know it's a bit larger than the shorter of the Stewart drawbars. Frank went to look at a real FT to get the dimensions. His first version was made to the drawing of an FT with a Santa Fe coupler on the blunt end. It turned out to be too far out. The shape of the coupler is a one of a kind. Hats off to Frank Sergent. 


On 1 Jun 2014, at 07:53, "TS egroupstuff@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:

 

Rob,

I haven't used them so can't answer the actual coupled distance for
you, but I did stumble across the thread below on a forum that has
some pictures of the Taylor mades fitted to an FT A-B set; this should
give you a good visual indication if no one can come back with the
actual distance. The pictures are towards the bottom of the page.

www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/80705-pidcock-lines-was-stewart-ft-couplings/

Cheers,

Tim
Land of OZ

On 01/06/2014 16:27, roblmclear@... [SergentEng] wrote:
> Yep
>
>
> Say them but what I was asking about is if anyone has used them and what
> is the coupled distance between the A and the B unit and between the B
> units. I know what the prototype was and was curious to know how close
> the Sergents would come.
>
> Rob McLear.

CB&Q 14359 Caboose

John Niemeyer <jniemeyer@...>
 

Re: [SergentEng] Re: Kato coupler conversions

Christopher Zurek
 

I used the DW scale couplers buffers and the narrow shank couplers without the supplied boxes. I used a 2-56 screw in the original home in the Kato mounting pad. It works OK but the coupler doesn't stick out far enough, it's basically against the buffer.

Next I ground down the sides of the shank around the mounting hole on a compatible shank coupler. It can be ground down enough so it fits through scale buffer, but using the original Kato hole the coupler sticks out too far.

I took some measurements with my digital calipers and I think the new shortened compatible shank coupler will work. I don't have any on hand, so it's time to place another order with Sergent.

Here's how it looks so far. This picture was taken with my cell phone so it isn't the best. When I get this project finished I'll take pix with my DSLR.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SergentEng/photos/albums/1002595479/lightbox/1561825815

Chris Z.

On 6/1/2014 12:19 AM, 'Christopher A. Zurek' zurekc@q.com [SergentEng] wrote:
 

I decided to go the route of the DW buffer and a scale width coupler.

I have a couple of Kato GP35's, one in Rio Grande and one in SP, that I'm working on.  The Rio Grande on is 19 years old and I think the SP one is pushing 22 years. They both still run great.
Besides the scale buffer and Sergent couplers they are also getting nose lights, sound and LED lighting.

I will say that reworking the pilots with scale buffers and using Sergent couplers really helps the look of these models. When they get done I will put up pictures.

Chris Z.


On 5/30/2014 2:22 PM, James Wall nsc39dash8@... [SergentEng] wrote:
 

Now to clean up the Kato draft gear I would use the new Detail West scale coupler buffer. The I would try the narrow shank in the scale box which will need some work to fit a loco, have not tried this yet either, just an idea. I made a suggest for the tailor made to fit these new DA coupler buffers and the Atlas locomotive scale coupler pocket. I hope Frank will work on this in the future. I have used the EC87 as shown in the guide section for the Atlas.

James Wall





So... Let's have a discussion on the O scale Sharon couplers, please?

Stan Rutledge
 

Hi,


   I am about to order some S scale couplers for some Maine 2' gauge cars in O scale. After reviewing the idea of applying all the detail to the car, making my own axles....it doesn't make any sense to install a coupler

with a giant copper spring in it's side.

  What this inquiring mind wants to know... how far in the offing are O scale 3/4 MCB Sharon or Climax couplers?


    Thanks


      Stan

Re: S Couplers

simon.dunkley@...
 

Have the S scale couplers sold out already? The website says that they are temporarily unavailable.

Simon

Re: S Couplers

Stan Rutledge
 

Wow...that was fast.


     Stan

EC64K - Tests, etc.

Trevor at The Model Railway Show
 

(resending because the photo didn't attach the first time)


Hi everybody:


I suspect a few people are wondering about the recently re-released - and updated - EC64K S scale couplers (also suitable for O scale narrow gauge models).


I picked up a few packages before Frank temporarily pulled them. I exchanged an email with Frank and he tells me he wants to re-do the moving part of the knuckle as a die cast piece. This will improve manufacturing quality and consistency for him - and for us it will mean we don't have to file the gates off the face of the knuckle, so they'll be even easier to assemble.


Frank's website notes the revised versions should be on the market later this summer.


In the meantime, I'm building the ones I have and mounting them on a few representative pieces of equipment on my layout - such as the caboose at left in the attached photo (with a Kadee 808-equipped caboose for comparison). I've also done a few freight cars, a full-length (90-foot) passenger car, a steam engine (front and rear) - and even an Ambroid snow plow (front and rear).


I will put the couplers through some thorough testing on my layout before I decide whether to commit to them and place a bulk order with Frank.


It's early days but so far, so good!


Since others may be interested in my tests, I'll be posting about them on my blog and am collecting all posts into a separate category called "Sergent Couplers". Here's the link if you want to follow along:


http://themodelrailwayshow.com/cn1950s/?cat=83


Enjoy if you visit!


- Trevor


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Trevor Marshall

Port Rowan in 1:64

An S scale study of a Canadian National Railways branch in Ontario


couplers for commuter cars,.

Martin Matsil
 

 i like the couplers that they use on Metro-North railroad,they are called I think F,or H couplers,they should also use of the railroad wants to H-2-a,or ohio brass,hook couplers.Thanks.

Re: [SergentEng] EC64K - tests, etc.

John Degnan
 

Trevor,
 
GREAT article!  I've been meaning to post about the issues with the nuckle, just haven't had time.  Now, thanks to you, I don't have to.  "A thousand thanks" for taking point there.
 
I want to encourage EVERYONE who is interested in the Sergent couplers and bought some of the early-release ones to read your blog (http://themodelrailwayshow.com/cn1950s/?cat=83) about them.  PRICELESS information.
 
Saving up for my BULK order on the revised release!
 
 
John Degnan


From: "trevor@... [SergentEng]" To: SergentEng@...
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 12:00:23 PM
Subject: [SergentEng] EC64K - tests, etc.

 

Hi everybody:


I suspect a few people are wondering about the recently re-released - and updated - EC64K S scale couplers (also suitable for O scale narrow gauge models).


I picked up a few packages before Frank temporarily pulled them. I exchanged an email with Frank and he tells me he wants to re-do the moving part of the knuckle as a die cast piece. This will improve manufacturing quality and consistency for him - and for us it will mean we don't have to file the gates off the face of the knuckle, so they'll be even easier to assemble.


Frank's website notes the revised versions should be on the market later this summer.


In the meantime, I'm building the ones I have and mounting them on a few representative pieces of equipment on my layout - such as the caboose at left in the attached photo (with a Kadee 808-equipped caboose for comparison). I've also done a few freight cars, a full-length (90-foot) passenger car, a steam engine (front and rear) - and even an Ambroid snow plow (front and rear).


I will put the couplers through some thorough testing on my layout before I decide whether to commit to them and place a bulk order with Frank.


It's early days but so far, so good!


Since others may be interested in my tests, I'll be posting about them on my blog and am collecting all posts into a separate category called "Sergent Couplers". Here's the link if you want to follow along:


http://themodelrailwayshow.com/cn1950s/?cat=83


Enjoy if you visit!


- Trevor


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Trevor Marshall

Port Rowan in 1:64


An S scale study of a Canadian National Railways branch in Ontario



Re: [SergentEng] EC64K - tests, etc.

Trevor at The Model Railway Show
 

Hi John:

Thanks - I'm glad to help share information on these with interested modelers.

And I should add that I don't want to make the knuckle into an issue since - from my perspective, anyway - it really isn't one for us modelers.

My read of the situation is that Frank is making the change to make it easier for him to produce knuckles that pass his strict standards. It will be a bonus for us that we will no longer have to file the gates off the knuckles.

But that's a straight-forward task. I would even call it a pleasant bit of modeling time - something one can do when one has a few minutes to fettle and wants a low-impact project.

I hope you (and you, and you!) will check my site regularly, as I'll continue to post updates there under the "Sergent Coupler" category. For example, I've just posted about my first operating session using the new couplers.

Cheers!

- Trevor

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Trevor Marshall

Port Rowan in 1:64


An S scale study of a Canadian National Railways branch in Ontario



Re: [SergentEng] EC64K - tests, etc. [1 Attachment]

John Degnan
 

Agreed on all points.  I mean, seriously... are we "modelers" or not!?  I am just glad that Frank recognised the need for improvement... because the filing of the nuckle was a mandatory (and very simple) task to achieve smooth operation of these first-off run of the couplers.  I've had to file every one I've built to date... but man-O-man how rewarding it has been!
 
(I found that filing the nuckle AFTER assembling the coupler is the best way for me.  How about you?)
 
 
John Degnan
 


From: "trevor@... [SergentEng]"
To: SergentEng@...
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 5:56:37 PM
Subject: Re: [SergentEng] EC64K - tests, etc. [1 Attachment]
 
 
And I should add that I don't want to make the knuckle into an issue since - from my perspective, anyway - it really isn't one for us modelers.
My read of the situation is that Frank is making the change to make it easier for him to produce knuckles that pass his strict standards. It will be a bonus for us that we will no longer have to file the gates off the knuckles.

But that's a straight-forward task. I would even call it a pleasant bit of modeling time - something one can do when one has a few minutes to fettle and wants a low-impact project.
 
- Trevor

Re: [SergentEng] couplers for commuter cars,.

Nathan Rich
 

http://www.budd-rdc.org/sets/photos/drm11.png

On this is an F coupler, similar to FC87A/K


Here we have your usual H coupler, similar to HC87A/K. Most heavy-rail passenger equipment has F couplers on locomotives and H couplers on passenger cars.

Hope this helps
Nathan Rich


On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 11:48 AM, martinmatsil1953@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

 i like the couplers that they use on Metro-North railroad,they are called I think F,or H couplers,they should also use of the railroad wants to H-2-a,or ohio brass,hook couplers.Thanks.


Re: [SergentEng] EC64K - tests, etc. [1 Attachment]

Trevor at The Model Railway Show
 

Hi John:

You wrote...

"(I found that filing the nuckle AFTER assembling the coupler is the best way for me.  How about you?)"

I'm doing it the way Frank recommends - filing the knuckle before painting. I'm having no problems doing that. I hold the knuckle in a pair of smooth-jaw needle-nose pliers, grabbing it by the long thin projection that interacts with the steel ball bearing when assembled. I support the back of the knuckle with my thumb (on the hand holding the pliers), and I'm careful to only file towards my thumb so that I'm not putting any sideways pressure on that projection. As I note on my blog, I finish with a piece of 2500 grit wet/dry paper glued to a piece of rectangular brass tubing. I hold the knuckle between thumb and finger for this, and polish the face in a circular motion. Using a diamond file means there are no teeth marks to remove from the work, but I like giving it this final polish just because...

Cheers!

- Trevor

Re: [SergentEng] EC64K - tests, etc.

jerry via FMW.com
 

Trevor,

In your tests how did you find the coupling pressure of the new couplers? When coupling to a single freight car will the knuckle close without moving the car? I am interested in getting the couplers to try them out on my On3 cars which are rather small and light.

I use the Sergent couplers on some of my HO cars which are equipped with Tahoe  Model Works trucks which are very free rolling. There I have some problems with the cars rolling when I try to couple to a single car.

I understand the need to align the couplers for coupling. I like your idea of fitting a flashlight to the uncoupling tool. I found it helpful for coupling. Still with good alignment of the couplers and now being able to see the couplers better I still have some cars that would rather roll than couple.

Jerry

Jerry Kitts
Foothill Model Works
Visit our web site at
(707) 459-5587


Re: [SergentEng] EC64K - tests, etc.

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Jerry,

I model and operate in HO scale. Almost all of my operable freight car fleet is equipped with Sergent couplers. My operations have been on both my temporary layout and on the layouts of friends. All have been relatively flat. As my future layout will be relatively flat and the trains relatively short in the four to ten car length range, I have not worried very much at all about the rolling qualities of the trucks. As long as they are the proper prototype representation and are in gauge I have no worries. This said, I have not had any problems with knuckles not closing upon contact. And accomplishing a good smooth low impact coupling is a grand experience. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jun 20, 2014, at 11:33 AM, 'jerry via FMW.com' jerrykitts@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:

Trevor,


In your tests how did you find the coupling pressure of the new couplers? When coupling to a single freight car will the knuckle close without moving the car? I am interested in getting the couplers to try them out on my On3 cars which are rather small and light.

I use the Sergent couplers on some of my HO cars which are equipped with Tahoe  Model Works trucks which are very free rolling. There I have some problems with the cars rolling when I try to couple to a single car.

I understand the need to align the couplers for coupling. I like your idea of fitting a flashlight to the uncoupling tool. I found it helpful for coupling. Still with good alignment of the couplers and now being able to see the couplers better I still have some cars that would rather roll than couple.

Jerry

Jerry Kitts
Foothill Model Works
Visit our web site at
(707) 459-5587




Re: [SergentEng] EC64K - tests, etc.

Trevor at The Model Railway Show
 

Hi Jerry:

It can still be an issue - but I've had the same issue with Kadees. The couplers do have a nice light touch, though... and I think they'll loosen up even further as I run trains and break them in a bit more.

I suspect that I'll set aside some time in about a month to go through the cars that have been equipped with Sergents and re-do the graphite pencil trick on them, just in case I've missed any spots. It should only take a minute per car.

Cheers!

- Trevor

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Trevor Marshall
Port Rowan in 1:64
An S scale study of a Canadian National Railways branch - in its twilight years

Re: [SergentEng] EC64K - tests, etc.

jerry via FMW.com
 

Thanks Bill and Trevor for your input on the new couplers. I will be looking forward to seeing them available  again and putting some money on the table.

Jerry

Jerry Kitts
Foothill Model Works
Visit our web site at
(707) 459-5587