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Re: [SergentEng] On30 Couplers

Frank Sergent
 

Hi Larry,
 
Unfortunately we don't have good answers for anything other than HO and HOn3 today. We used to make an S scale coupler and are currently working to re-introduce those. Right now, I have a pile of the new ones on my bench. They look great, but they don't work.


From: SergentEng@... [mailto:SergentEng@...] On Behalf Of larry Smith
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 11:45 AM
To: sergenteng@...
Subject: [SergentEng] On30 Couplers

 

Frank

In Model Railroad Hobbyist, I'm not restricted to just HOn3. I'm
pleased that I can include the HOn30 guys in the article as well. With
that I have a question? What do you recommend for the On30 guys.
Standard HO or Sn3 couplers. Which ever one you recommend could I get a
couple of pairs for two On30 cars for the article.

Larry Smith

Re: pencil vs neo was New Sharon couplers

c_bryars@bellsouth.net
 

On my Sharons the Neolube works better. Was looking for dry lube to try when I gave the neolube a go. Yes Micro-mark is where I got mine.

May try ptfe and a micro brush if painting gets to be an issue. Net step is to bet coupler boxes for my kit and scratch builds. Going to standardize on these couplers. Well worth the $ and effort. Frank has always made good products and these are even better than the others I have used.

Thanks Cameron \ Rabbi

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Pencil 'lead' contains clay and other fillers.

If using pencil 'lead' for lubrication, use a softer grade pencil. A 2H pencil is too hard and contains too little graphite to provide the desired lubrication.

I suggest an HB or softer pencil. The art supply section of your favorite craft store will have these.

http://www.pencils.com/blog/hb-graphite-grading-scale/ http://www.pencils.com/blog/hb-graphite-grading-scale/



Rex Beistle


---In sergenteng@..., <group_list@> wrote:

Pencil lead is graphite. Both Kaddee and Woodland Scenic sell powdered graphite in a little squeeze tube. Or grind some mechanical pencil leads

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest
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Re: On30 Couplers

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
 

Frank;
That is depressing. Hope ya find out why.

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest
@dapenguin

Re: On30 Couplers

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
 

Hello Frank and Mike;
Most 30" railroads use or used 1/2 size couplers. The closest for "O" would be H0 ones (1:87 vs 1:96).
I do not know of any 30" common carriers that used a larger coupler. AS for 2' in Maine only one started with 3/4 size couplers, the WW&F. FAIK, all the others used 1/2 size couplers. I'm sure I will be corrected if I am in error. :)
BTW: "S" is exactly 3/4 size of "O" so a std coupler in S is a 3/4 size in O and vise versa.
BTBTW:: I use H0 for 3/4 size in S and I'm still wondering what to do for my 2' tram. 1/2 size using "N" couplers or do I stick to L&P :) I think there is a HOn3 3/4 size in brass kit form but a ........

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest
@dapenguin

Larry

S scale are perfect. I use those for On2 and they are real close to 3/4
MCBs.
Actually a hair too big for On2, but closer than Kadees.

Gary Kohler
m2fq@...
330-702-0117

Re: [SergentEng] Re: On30 Couplers

m2fq@...
 

Yes, you will
 
ALL Maine 2-foot roads used 3/4 MCB, except Monson and KC which used link and pin to the end.
 
And the WW&F did not start with anything, they inherited link and pin from the W&Q and later converted to 3/4.
 
If that is too much nit picking, oh, well.
 
 
Gary Kohler
 

In a message dated 12/1/2013 2:23:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, group_list@... writes:
I do not know of any 30" common carriers that used a larger coupler. AS for 2' in Maine only one started with 3/4 size couplers, the WW&F. FAIK, all the others used 1/2 size couplers. I'm sure I will be corrected if I am in error. :)

Re: On30 Couplers

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
 

Not at all:)
My ifno was word of mouth and I always wondered as to the truth of it.

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest
@dapenguin

Switching to Sharons, have over 100 EN87K for sale or swap

c_bryars@bellsouth.net
 

Have over 100 bulk EN87ks. Anyone want to swap for Sharons or interested in buying these?

Cameron/Rabbi

Re: Switching to Sharons, have over 100 EN87K for sale or swap

Nathan Kline
 

Are the new Sharons a drop in replacement for most hon3 models or do modifications need to be made to the car or coupler? Thanks.

Nathan

Re: [SergentEng] Re: Switching to Sharons, have over 100 EN87K for sale or swap

John Niemeyer <jniemeyer@...>
 

Nathan
 
The new Sharrons are drop in for Blackstones. Some minor reaming is required on Rail Line, PSC, and Grandt Line.
 
John
 
 
Are the new Sharons a drop in replacement for most hon3 models or do modifications need to be made to the car or coupler? Thanks.

Nathan

Re: [SergentEng] Re: Switching to Sharons, have over 100 EN87K for sale or swap

Mike Van Hove
 

"The new Sharrons are drop in for Blackstones. Some minor reaming is required on Rail Line, PSC, and Grandt Line."

True, but the reaming is extremely easy with Sergents tapered reamer.  Just about 3 turns by hand, and you're there.

Couldn't be easier.

Mike Van Hove
Columbia, MO

(sent from my IMac, but nobody really cares)


On Dec 8, 2013, at 12:38 PM, John Niemeyer wrote:

 

Nathan
 
The new Sharrons are drop in for Blackstones. Some minor reaming is required on Rail Line, PSC, and Grandt Line.
 
John
 
 
Are the new Sharons a drop in replacement for most hon3 models or do modifications need to be made to the car or coupler? Thanks.

Nathan




Comparision of the Sharon vs EN couplers from Sergents. Used neo-lube on Sharon

c_bryars@bellsouth.net
 

Posted a omparision of the Sharon vs EN couplers from Sergents. Used neo-lube on Sharon and I really like how the neo-lube makes them work.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SergentEng/photos/album/405893767/pic/949786474/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Frank makes a top notch product. With the jig easy to assemble and neolube makes them work flawlessly.

Thanks Frank for making these.

Cameron

Re: [SergentEng] Comparison of the Sharon vs EN couplers from Sergents. Used neo-lube on Sharon

John Niemeyer <jniemeyer@...>
 

Cameron

I've been using Neo-lube on my Sergent EN87's myself since 2007. I use a fine 10/0 brush and apply it after assembly to the pivot point/hinge pins being careful not to get any near the steel ball.

I also added a comparison picture of a Sharron next to a Micro Train Line 1025 "N" scale coupler.

John

Posted a omparision of the Sharon vs EN couplers from Sergents. Used neo-lube on Sharon and I really like how the neo-lube makes them work.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SergentEng/photos/album/405893767/pic/949786474/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Frank makes a top notch product. With the jig easy to assemble and neolube makes them work flawlessly.

Thanks Frank for making these.

Cameron

Re: Comparison of the Sharon vs EN couplers from Sergents. Used neo-lube on Sharon

c_bryars@bellsouth.net
 

John,

Interesting, that is what I'm going to try with dry ptfe. I guess I'm lazy, just dunked all parts except ball into the neo-lube.

Thanks Cameron

--- In SergentEng@..., "John Niemeyer" <jniemeyer@...> wrote:

Cameron

I've been using Neo-lube on my Sergent EN87's myself since 2007. I use a
fine 10/0 brush and apply it after assembly to the pivot point/hinge pins
being careful not to get any near the steel ball.

I also added a comparison picture of a Sharron next to a Micro Train Line
1025 "N" scale coupler.

John

Posted a omparision of the Sharon vs EN couplers from Sergents. Used
neo-lube on Sharon and I really like how the neo-lube makes them work.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SergentEng/photos/album/405893767/pic/949786474/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Frank makes a top notch product. With the jig easy to assemble and neolube
makes them work flawlessly.

Thanks Frank for making these.

Cameron

Cover photo

John Niemeyer <jniemeyer@...>
 

All
 
I have temporarily set the cover photo using an HOn3 brass engine with a Sergent ES1P87 front pilot coupler. I don’t feel this group is exclusive to HO or narrow gauge, So, if anyone has a photo that they feel is appropriate as a cover picture, please send it to me directly and I can change the cover, maybe revolve it others.
 
John

John Allen Christmas Card with Music

John Niemeyer <jniemeyer@...>
 

A fantastic layout, and the presentation done so professionally.
 

Enjoyable, Relaxing with Memories.

http://gdlines.com/GD_Christmas/G&D_card.html

John

Extended shank couplers

iljm86@...
 

Hi all,

 

First I'd like to say thank you to the moderator for letting me join this group, much appreciated.  Also thanks to Sergent Engineering for providing such awesome couplers.

 

My question is about the new extended shank couplers that are available.  I see that they come in two lengths, 0.100" and 0.130.  Which one of these lengths is appropriate for flat cars (the 89' flavor) and which is appropriate for Exactrail/BLMA 64' TRINcool reefers?

 

Tony V 

Re: [SergentEng] Extended shank couplers

Frank Sergent
 

Hi Tony,
 
The "Plus 0.130" coupler was developed with a customer's help to properly model some bulkhead flats and I presume his field work would be applicable to similar applications. Thanks to Todd Templeton for this work. Here's a picture he took of what he was trying to model. He also provided some measurements that he was able to make safely.
 
 
The "Plus 0.100" coupler is intended to be a replacement for the KD #26 style couplers. It wasn't created to match any particular prototype.
 
My guess is that the "Pluss 0.130" would be a better match for what you are after.
 
Thanks,
Frank 


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [SergentEng] Extended shank couplers
From: <iljm86@...>
Date: Fri, December 20, 2013 12:29 am
To: <SergentEng@...>

 
Hi all,
 
First I'd like to say thank you to the moderator for letting me join this group, much appreciated.  Also thanks to Sergent Engineering for providing such awesome couplers.
 
My question is about the new extended shank couplers that are available.  I see that they come in two lengths, 0.100" and 0.130.  Which one of these lengths is appropriate for flat cars (the 89' flavor) and which is appropriate for Exactrail/BLMA 64' TRINcool reefers?
 
Tony V 

Sharons and Kadees in HOn3

Duncan Harvey
 

I have a problem with the new Sharon couplers.  I was really looking forward to them as they would easy my transition from Kadees to Sergents since they will work with the Kadees, in HOn3.  Well they don't!

 

 I bought and assembled several.  Mounted them on various makes of cars.  Tried to couple them to Kadee #714 and they will not couple!  I have to work at it with some effort to get them to finally link up.  Same with uncoupling.

 
And since they do not have a centering spring and you have to align them by eye, and since we are getting older and our depth perception is not what it used to be, it appears it will be very hard to get them in proper alignment when they are a couple of feet away from us.   Like at the back of a scene.  This is not what we want on an operations based layout, like my club has.

 

Have any others found this to be true?  Is there some modification, or technique I am missing that will solve these problems?  Do the couplers need some development modification to get them to truly work with Kadees in HOn3?  Advice?

                                                                                              Duncan

Re: [SergentEng] Sharons and Kadees in HOn3

John Niemeyer <jniemeyer@...>
 

Duncan
 
Welcome to the group. We’ve been friends for what, ten years or more?
 
About 2 – 3 years ago, on the HOn3 Yahoo group, Jim Vail commented on this. His solution was to modify the Kadee 714’s face and inside of the knuckle. There is a parting line from the molding process that needs to be filed flat. This would give more room for the Sergent to mate. Jim was using Sergent EN87 couplers.
 
Has anyone else tried this?
 
John
 
I have a problem with the new Sharon couplers.  I was really looking forward to them as they would easy my transition from Kadees to Sergents since they will work with the Kadees, in HOn3.  Well they don't!
 
I bought and assembled several.  Mounted them on various makes of cars.  Tried to couple them to Kadee #714 and they will not couple!  I have to work at it with some effort to get them to finally link up.  Same with uncoupling.
 
And since they do not have a centering spring and you have to align them by eye, and since we are getting older and our depth perception is not what it used to be, it appears it will be very hard to get them in proper alignment when they are a couple of feet away from us.   Like at the back of a scene.  This is not what we want on an operations based layout, like my club has.
 
Have any others found this to be true?  Is there some modification, or technique I am missing that will solve these problems?  Do the couplers need some development modification to get them to truly work with Kadees in HOn3?  Advice?
 
Duncan

Re: Sharons and Kadees in HOn3

Brandan Brauch
 

Duncan,

I'll chime in on this one. The coupling to a 714 is not always going to work automatically and is only a stopgap measure until you can convert completely to Sergents. As far as alignment goes on our modules once we get to switching the couplers stay aligned very well allowing you to couple/ uncouple on curves very well. I've run my Sergent equipped cars and locos on the modules quite a bit and have set up some goofy situations and I love them!

Brandan Brauch
bullbrauch@...
(970) 397-7918