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Re: [SergentEng] RE: Building and installing Sergent couplers

Christopher Zurek
 

I actually could have used the reamer on some EC87's that I was putting in standard gauge cars.

Since I already had these, I used them carefully with my cordless Dremel:
http://www.harborfreight.com/20-piece-1-8-eighth-inch-shank-diamond-point-set-40547.html

It worked but I think the reamer would be better.

Chris Z.

On 11/29/2013 12:47 PM, John Niemeyer wrote:
 

Chris
 
I’ve needed the reamer for EN87’s in my Blackstone equipment. HOn3 kits from PSC, Grandt Line  Blackstone make their coupler pockets to fit Kadee 714 couplers. The 714 has a slightly smaller mounting pin, so if you are installing Sergent EN87 for anything designed to fit the Kadee 711, 713 & 714, you will need the reamer. Some Sergent narrow shank couplers come with the Accumate draft gear boxes.
 
John
 
I haven't bought the reamer, but I am considering it when I place another order for couplers.
 
Chris Z.
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Re: pencil vs neo was New Sharon couplers

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
 

Pencil lead is graphite. Both Kaddee and Woodland Scenic sell powdered graphite in a little squeeze tube. Or grind some mechanical pencil leads

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest
@dapenguin

Re: [SergentEng] Re: New Sharon couplers

Dale Buxton
 

Chris,


Based on my research, there is only one maker of Neo-lube. It's a trade marked product. There are 2 versions, the one MicroMark and PBL sell is version #2. MicroMark sells its version in the original packaging from the manufacturer. PBL repackages the product that it sells. But, it's all the same stuff, Neo-Lube #2. 


Dale Buxton 



---In SergentEng@..., <zurekc@...> wrote:

I found that at Micro Mark, but I wasn't sure if it was the same thing.

I probably won't be getting any since I never need to order from any of those places, and I'm not going to order just one item. Too bad Frank at Sergent Engineering doesn't carry it, I could just buy some when I order couplers.

Chris Z.

On 11/29/2013 12:34 PM, John Niemeyer wrote:
 

Chris
 
Just a quick web search and came up with this: http://www.micromark.com/neolube-2-fl-oz,8383.html  also available from P.B.L. and Caboose Hobbies.
 
John


What is Neolube and where do I get it?

Chris Z.


Update on Sharon for BlackStone cars (RNB87K). After building the 6 Sharon couplers decided to mount a set in a BlackStone High Side Gondola. Perfect fit! No filing required and did not need to ream hole out.

They are noticeably smaller than Type D and Kadee couplers.

Operation in limited testing is smooth and no ball drop issues like I had on previous type D without Neolube. when coupling seems to mate more reliably without excessive force.

Have not tried to weather or paint them yet. Thinking neo-lube might present a challenge to paint sticking. Will try Bar Mills or AIM powders to see if these work reliably.

Thanks Cameron

--- In SergentEng@..., mailto:c_bryars@... mailto:c_bryars@... wrote:
>
> Just finished 6 Sharon's using neo-lube. All 6 work well without polishing. Assembly time about 1 min each using the jig. These are even easier than the type D I was doing.
>
> So far these are real winners.
>
> Thanks Cameron\Rabbi
>


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Re: [SergentEng] Re: pencil vs neo was New Sharon couplers

Christopher Zurek
 


I bought some of the Kadee powdered graphite and found that it is ground too coarse for my liking to use in Sergent couplers.

Then while digging through my automotive tool box I found a tube of powdered graphite I bought in 1980 when I was in high school...yes, I've had it that long It's called Mr. Zip Extra Fine Graphite made by AGS Co. in Muskegon, MI.
It turns out the company still exists and the website shows that they still make fine powdered graphite, but it is no longer called Mr. Zip.
http://www.agscompany.com/images/stories/photos/downloads/Home-Hardware%20Lubricants/MZ-2H.jpg

It's supposed to be available at Ace Hardware, True Value Hardware and several auto parts stores.

Chris Z.


On 11/29/2013 2:28 PM, Talmadge C 'TC' Carr wrote:
 

Pencil lead is graphite. Both Kaddee and Woodland Scenic sell powdered graphite in a little squeeze tube. Or grind some mechanical pencil leads

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest
group_list@...

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pencil vs neo was New Sharon couplers

John Niemeyer <jniemeyer@...>
 

Chris
 
What part of the metro do you live in?
 
I’m in Bloomington and have some Neo-lube. Maybe you could come over and try some before you make a decision.
 
John

Re: [SergentEng] RE: RE: RE: Re: New Sharon couplers

Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...>
 

Be careful with the Rustoleum, a friend recently tried it but it never cured/dried completely.

I got something similar from Home Depot, Krylon brand, that I used on something else. It did take 15-20 minutes to dry to the touch.

Mike Conder
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Subject: [SergentEng] RE: RE: RE: Re: New Sharon couplers

Hi Dale,

Thank you for providing this information. It's very helpful for what I'm looking for. I was thinking great care is needed to make sure the NeoLube doesn't get on the ball bearing (a problem I created for myself with a different lubricant when I first tried out Sergent couplers), so thank you for confirming.

I liked the suggestion from Mike of putting graphite onto the tip of a yellow micro-brush to get it into the crevasses of the knuckle. I think i may try that first before purchasing NeoLube, since I currently have both the graphite and yellow micro-brushes.

Also, reading through Sergent's website, they have good instructions for painting the coupler components first before assembly. It just so happens I have a can of Rustoleum Rusty Metal Primer that I'm using for the anti-foul color of a model ship I'm building.

Have a great weekend!

Jon



---In SergentEng@..., wrote:

Jon,


I seem to be the one that started this whole Neo-lube thing. Yes, this is the stuff you can get from MicroMark or PBL. I think it's way better than the pencil lubrication trick. The stuff is microscopic Graphite and it flows into every nook and cranny all on its own! It will go places the sharpest pencil can only dream about. Neo-lube also has the side benefit of blackening the couplers which is pretty great in itself.


I built 10 of the Sharon types last night for Blackstone cars as a test. You see not all of the Blackstone draft gear boxes are of the same exact dimensions. The only car that the Blackstone specific Sharon's will not drop into is the boxcar. The draft gear box is a bit shallow and the pivot pin is a bit thick. So you need the 4mm tapered reamer to open up the couplers pivot hole and the shank needs to be thinned a tiny bit with a file.


I'm still a little reluctant to get any Neo-lube directly on the little ball bearing. Neo-lube is made of 3 components, microscopic Graphite, a polymer, and alcohol. The alcohol is the carrier and a polymer usually denotes a binder, I.E. GLUE! Not knowing the specific nature of this polymer I am advising not getting on the little ball. This may be nothing but, why take chances!


Dale Buxton

Re: [SergentEng] pencil vs neo was New Sharon couplers

Christopher Zurek
 


John,

I live in Inver Grove Heights and I work in Bloomington.

Contact me offlist at zurekc@...

Chris Z.

On 11/29/2013 3:24 PM, John Niemeyer wrote:
 

Chris
 
What part of the metro do you live in?
 
I’m in Bloomington and have some Neo-lube. Maybe you could come over and try some before you make a decision.
 
John


Re: pencil vs neo was New Sharon couplers

train346@...
 

Pencil 'lead' contains clay and other fillers. 

 

If using pencil 'lead' for lubrication, use a softer grade pencil.  A 2H pencil is too hard and contains too little graphite to provide the desired lubrication

 

I suggest an HB or softer pencil.  The art supply section of your favorite craft store will have these.

 

http://www.pencils.com/blog/hb-graphite-grading-scale/

 

 

 

Rex Beistle

Re: [SergentEng] RE: RE: RE: Re: New Sharon couplers

vulturenest1@...
 

Update: went to the garage, and looks like I was using the Rustoleum Rusty Metal Primer.  Going to try it on my Sharons this weekend.


Mike Conder



---In SergentEng@..., <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

Be careful with the Rustoleum, a friend recently tried it but it never cured/dried completely.

I got something similar from Home Depot, Krylon brand, that I used on something else. It did take 15-20 minutes to dry to the touch.

Mike Conder
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Subject: [SergentEng] RE: RE: RE: Re: New Sharon couplers

Hi Dale,

Thank you for providing this information. It's very helpful for what I'm looking for. I was thinking great care is needed to make sure the NeoLube doesn't get on the ball bearing (a problem I created for myself with a different lubricant when I first tried out Sergent couplers), so thank you for confirming.

I liked the suggestion from Mike of putting graphite onto the tip of a yellow micro-brush to get it into the crevasses of the knuckle. I think i may try that first before purchasing NeoLube, since I currently have both the graphite and yellow micro-brushes.

Also, reading through Sergent's website, they have good instructions for painting the coupler components first before assembly. It just so happens I have a can of Rustoleum Rusty Metal Primer that I'm using for the anti-foul color of a model ship I'm building.

Have a great weekend!

Jon



---In SergentEng@..., wrote:

Jon,


I seem to be the one that started this whole Neo-lube thing. Yes, this is the stuff you can get from MicroMark or PBL. I think it's way better than the pencil lubrication trick. The stuff is microscopic Graphite and it flows into every nook and cranny all on its own! It will go places the sharpest pencil can only dream about. Neo-lube also has the side benefit of blackening the couplers which is pretty great in itself.


I built 10 of the Sharon types last night for Blackstone cars as a test. You see not all of the Blackstone draft gear boxes are of the same exact dimensions. The only car that the Blackstone specific Sharon's will not drop into is the boxcar. The draft gear box is a bit shallow and the pivot pin is a bit thick. So you need the 4mm tapered reamer to open up the couplers pivot hole and the shank needs to be thinned a tiny bit with a file.


I'm still a little reluctant to get any Neo-lube directly on the little ball bearing. Neo-lube is made of 3 components, microscopic Graphite, a polymer, and alcohol. The alcohol is the carrier and a polymer usually denotes a binder, I.E. GLUE! Not knowing the specific nature of this polymer I am advising not getting on the little ball. This may be nothing but, why take chances!


Dale Buxton

On30 Couplers

Larry Smith
 

Frank

In Model Railroad Hobbyist, I'm not restricted to just HOn3. I'm pleased that I can include the HOn30 guys in the article as well. With that I have a question? What do you recommend for the On30 guys. Standard HO or Sn3 couplers. Which ever one you recommend could I get a couple of pairs for two On30 cars for the article.

Larry Smith

Re: [SergentEng] On30 Couplers

Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...>
 

For On30, I was thinking of using HO couplers since the stock Bachmann couplers look about the same size as standard HO couplers. But I don't know enough about all the Sergent couplers to know which would be the best for bothOn30nd On3.

Mike Conder
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Subject: [SergentEng] On30 Couplers

Frank

In Model Railroad Hobbyist, I'm not restricted to just HOn3. I'm
pleased that I can include the HOn30 guys in the article as well. With
that I have a question? What do you recommend for the On30 guys.
Standard HO or Sn3 couplers. Which ever one you recommend could I get a
couple of pairs for two On30 cars for the article.

Larry Smith

Re: [SergentEng] On30 Couplers

m2fq@...
 

Larry
 
S scale are perfect. I use those for On2 and they are real close to 3/4 MCBs.
 
Actually a hair too big for On2, but closer than Kadees.
 
 
 
Gary Kohler
m2fq@...
330-702-0117
 

In a message dated 11/30/2013 11:45:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wooddale@... writes:
Frank

In Model Railroad Hobbyist, I'm not restricted to just HOn3. I'm
pleased that I can include the HOn30 guys in the article as well. With
that I have a question? What do you recommend for the On30 guys.
Standard HO or Sn3 couplers. Which ever one you recommend could I get a
couple of pairs for two On30 cars for the article.

Larry Smith

Re: [SergentEng] On30 Couplers

Frank Sergent
 

Hi Larry,
 
Unfortunately we don't have good answers for anything other than HO and HOn3 today. We used to make an S scale coupler and are currently working to re-introduce those. Right now, I have a pile of the new ones on my bench. They look great, but they don't work.


From: SergentEng@... [mailto:SergentEng@...] On Behalf Of larry Smith
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 11:45 AM
To: sergenteng@...
Subject: [SergentEng] On30 Couplers

 

Frank

In Model Railroad Hobbyist, I'm not restricted to just HOn3. I'm
pleased that I can include the HOn30 guys in the article as well. With
that I have a question? What do you recommend for the On30 guys.
Standard HO or Sn3 couplers. Which ever one you recommend could I get a
couple of pairs for two On30 cars for the article.

Larry Smith

Re: pencil vs neo was New Sharon couplers

c_bryars@bellsouth.net
 

On my Sharons the Neolube works better. Was looking for dry lube to try when I gave the neolube a go. Yes Micro-mark is where I got mine.

May try ptfe and a micro brush if painting gets to be an issue. Net step is to bet coupler boxes for my kit and scratch builds. Going to standardize on these couplers. Well worth the $ and effort. Frank has always made good products and these are even better than the others I have used.

Thanks Cameron &#92; Rabbi

--- In SergentEng@..., <train346@...> wrote:

Pencil 'lead' contains clay and other fillers.

If using pencil 'lead' for lubrication, use a softer grade pencil. A 2H pencil is too hard and contains too little graphite to provide the desired lubrication.

I suggest an HB or softer pencil. The art supply section of your favorite craft store will have these.

http://www.pencils.com/blog/hb-graphite-grading-scale/ http://www.pencils.com/blog/hb-graphite-grading-scale/



Rex Beistle


---In sergenteng@..., <group_list@> wrote:

Pencil lead is graphite. Both Kaddee and Woodland Scenic sell powdered graphite in a little squeeze tube. Or grind some mechanical pencil leads

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest
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Re: On30 Couplers

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
 

Frank;
That is depressing. Hope ya find out why.

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest
@dapenguin

Re: On30 Couplers

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
 

Hello Frank and Mike;
Most 30" railroads use or used 1/2 size couplers. The closest for "O" would be H0 ones (1:87 vs 1:96).
I do not know of any 30" common carriers that used a larger coupler. AS for 2' in Maine only one started with 3/4 size couplers, the WW&F. FAIK, all the others used 1/2 size couplers. I'm sure I will be corrected if I am in error. :)
BTW: "S" is exactly 3/4 size of "O" so a std coupler in S is a 3/4 size in O and vise versa.
BTBTW:: I use H0 for 3/4 size in S and I'm still wondering what to do for my 2' tram. 1/2 size using "N" couplers or do I stick to L&P :) I think there is a HOn3 3/4 size in brass kit form but a ........

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest
@dapenguin

Larry

S scale are perfect. I use those for On2 and they are real close to 3/4
MCBs.
Actually a hair too big for On2, but closer than Kadees.

Gary Kohler
m2fq@...
330-702-0117

Re: [SergentEng] Re: On30 Couplers

m2fq@...
 

Yes, you will
 
ALL Maine 2-foot roads used 3/4 MCB, except Monson and KC which used link and pin to the end.
 
And the WW&F did not start with anything, they inherited link and pin from the W&Q and later converted to 3/4.
 
If that is too much nit picking, oh, well.
 
 
Gary Kohler
 

In a message dated 12/1/2013 2:23:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, group_list@... writes:
I do not know of any 30" common carriers that used a larger coupler. AS for 2' in Maine only one started with 3/4 size couplers, the WW&F. FAIK, all the others used 1/2 size couplers. I'm sure I will be corrected if I am in error. :)

Re: On30 Couplers

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
 

Not at all:)
My ifno was word of mouth and I always wondered as to the truth of it.

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Hn42 somewhere in the wilds of the Pacific Northwest
@dapenguin

Switching to Sharons, have over 100 EN87K for sale or swap

c_bryars@bellsouth.net
 

Have over 100 bulk EN87ks. Anyone want to swap for Sharons or interested in buying these?

Cameron/Rabbi

Re: Switching to Sharons, have over 100 EN87K for sale or swap

Nathan Kline
 

Are the new Sharons a drop in replacement for most hon3 models or do modifications need to be made to the car or coupler? Thanks.

Nathan