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Re: [SergentEng] Using with Rapido passenger cars

Nathan Rich
 

I have had zero issues with thinning shanks with a mill file, I recommend it actually in some cases. A few swipes on the mill file is all you need. 

If you are installing couplers on a passenger car you want an HC87K coupler.

Nathan Rich


On Thursday, December 10, 2015, drail14me@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

Hey everyone. New to the group but not Sergent couplers. Love em and have been using them for several years!

I've NOT yet installed any on my Rapido passenger cars and that's the reason I came to this group.

Has anyone had experience with which couplers to use on the Rapido cars?

I tried using the standard EC87K but the shanks were too thick to use in the Rapido coupler box. I thought about filing them down thinner but thought I'd check here for a more compatible model Sergent before going through all that trouble of filing down shanks.

Thanks,

Dennis

Re: [SergentEng] walthers amfleet cars

Nathan Rich
 

I have a bunch of Walthers Amfleet cars that I put H couplers on, I used compatible shank couplers glued into the swinging pockets to eliminate the 'wrist' joint. They work well on smooth trackwork. 

This train serves as my model of the Amtrak Mt Rainier circa 1976, phase II F40PH (walthers, also with H couplers) and 4 Amfleet cars.

Nathan Rich


On Friday, December 11, 2015, martinmatsil1953@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

i know that amtrak uses the H coupler on their  passenger cars,how are they mounted,on HO-scale cars,i am trying,to learn about,and how about,the walthers,horizon cars,used by Metro-North.Thanks,and God bless.

Re: [SergentEng] Help

Dale Kritzky
 

I built some extended length shank couplers & yes they were a pain but I think if you put the coupler on the jig backwards it will work but you'll have to hold the coupler so it doesn't fall off. Dale
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"eightnotch@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:

 

Im doing the extended shank coulpers  .010. too long to fit in the jig. My problem is placing the knuckle. it keeps falling over.

Re: [SergentEng] Recommendations and Advice for Someone New to Sergent Couplers

Alan Hummel
 

Am I correct that the Narrow shank couplers were mostly assembled & the reason they're no longer listed is because assembled couplers are a thing of the past?

I was only going to use them on my Intermountain tankers of the corn syrup type tank which years back wouldn't accept any coupler except the narrow shank as those cars used the Accurail draft gear boxes.
Thank you,
Al Hummel 

Rapido passenger cars??

Dennis
 

Has anyone had experience with putting Sergent couplers on Rapido
Continental passenger cars? If so, which work with the Rapido coupler
box?

Thanks,

Dennis

Re: [SergentEng] Help

Scott Atchison
 

Im doing the extended shank coulpers  .010. too long to fit in the jig. My problem is placing the knuckle. it keeps falling over.

Re: Help

Mike Conder
 

A couple of us wrote an article in last year's 2014 HOn3 Annual that includes some tips on assembly of the Sharon couplers.  Most of these tips are useful for other couplers too.

Mike Conder


walthers amfleet cars

Martin Matsil
 

i know that amtrak uses the H coupler on their  passenger cars,how are they mounted,on HO-scale cars,i am trying,to learn about,and how about,the walthers,horizon cars,used by Metro-North.Thanks,and God bless.

Re: [SergentEng] Recommendations and Advice for Someone New to Sergent Couplers

Christopher Zurek
 

Back when I still used Kadee couplers I had a real issues with the metal covers falling off. I wound up drilling out the center posts and putting in small screws.

With Sergent couplers I use the EN87.

Chris Z.

On 12/8/2015 10:47 PM, Nathan Rich thaddeusthudpucker@... [SergentEng] wrote:
 

I've put many EC87's into Athearn cars.


Get a nice 1" flat mill file and give your assembled couplers a few swipes top and bottom of the shank. I find that they will operate a bit more smoothly.

You might consider EN87, then they go into the supplied Accurail box. I've had more than one coupler drop out on the mainline when the metal cover pops off.

Take Care,
Nathan Rich


Re: [SergentEng] Help

Morgan Reed
 

Hi,
If you are trying to assemble these wonders you MUST have an assembly jig on hand.  A pair of non-magnetic tweezers are really helpful.  There are numerous ways to insert those &&#%*** springs.  Check with the chat room files to different techniques.  I put the spring in the coupler box and slide the coupler so that, as you slide the coupler over the post, you capture the spring.  It's easier to do than to describe.  The assembly is annoying, at times, but the results are worth it.  There is a learning curve that goes with this as you chase those balls and springs around.  PLEASE don't try this without the right jig.  I think I got 2 couplers finished before I took the above advice.  Remember, it is possible to do.  Good luck!

Morgan Reed


On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:48 AM, eightnotch@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:

 

Guys, I am having great difficulty assembling these couplers. does anyone have any advice?


-Scott 

Re: [SergentEng] Help

Michael Graff
 

We need more info, which sort of Sergents?
And do you use a jig?

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Guys, I am having great difficulty assembling these couplers. does anyone have any advice?


-Scott 

Help

Scott Atchison
 

Guys, I am having great difficulty assembling these couplers. does anyone have any advice?


-Scott 

Narrow Shank Couplers

Alan Hummel
 

I just noticed most of the narrow shank couplers,like SE,SF.mostly,modern couplers, are no longer listed. I never used many of these of these except for Intermountain tankers that use the Accurail narrow couplwe boxes-have these been fazed out?

Thank you,

Al Hummel

Re: Using with Rapido passenger cars

Dennis
 

Hey everyone. New to the group but not Sergent couplers. Love em and have been using them for several years!

I've NOT yet installed any on my Rapido passenger cars and that's the reason I came to this group.

Has anyone had experience with which couplers to use on the Rapido cars?

I tried using the standard EC87K but the shanks were too thick to use in the Rapido coupler box. I thought about filing them down thinner but thought I'd check here for a more compatible model Sergent before going through all that trouble of filing down shanks.

Thanks,

Dennis

Re: Intermountain Auto Racks?

Byron Rissetton
 

Ive just used compatibles at the moment but will look at putting narrows in for a more prototypical look later on down the track! those BLMA's are quite cool!

Re: [SergentEng] Recommendations and Advice for Someone New to Sergent Couplers

Nathan Rich
 

Yes, you are correct. I have equipped about 75 Athearn cars with Sergent couplers, and with the excepting of one caboose they all had those metal clips. I am well aware of the difference.

I was suggesting replacing the stock box with EN87 and the Sergent supplied Accurail box, which will reduce the loss of the metal plate. I have had that happen about five times while running trains. They also pop off easily when they are in my transport box. I personally feel that the A-Line screw system, while clever and good enough for a Kadee coupler, is unnecessary because we have the EN87. I'd rather spend the 23.95 and whatever else to get a minimum $35 order from A-Line on EN87's and a scale size coupler box that will look better on the end of the car.


On Tuesday, December 8, 2015, Andy Jackson <lajrmdlr@...> wrote:
Nathan
The old Athearn cars have the metal coupler covers not Accurail. Aline does make an assembly to put a screw to hold the metal cover on now.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA


Re: Recommendations and Advice for Someone New to Sergent Couplers

Frank Sergent
 

Hi Rick,

 

There is a step-by-step installation guide on the sergent engineering website for Athearn blue box models. Go to the website, then click "Instructions, Etc". Then scroll down to "Click here for installation tips". Then click on "40' Box car (old blue box style)". There are quite a few other installations documented here. For some reason, few people seem to find this section of the website...

 

Thanks,

Frank

 


 

Re: [SergentEng] Recommendations and Advice for Someone New to Sergent Couplers

Nathan Rich
 

I've put many EC87's into Athearn cars.

Get a nice 1" flat mill file and give your assembled couplers a few swipes top and bottom of the shank. I find that they will operate a bit more smoothly.

You might consider EN87, then they go into the supplied Accurail box. I've had more than one coupler drop out on the mainline when the metal cover pops off.

Take Care,
Nathan Rich


On Tuesday, December 8, 2015, Alan Hummel ahummel72@... [SergentEng] <SergentEng@...> wrote:
 

Rick,

That's a remarkable skill your son has. Builders in O Scale are especially badly needed & the money is great in that scale although it's a fantastic skill in any scale.

Glad to help with the couplers. These are indeed fine couplers. I started with Kadee but as soon as the shelf couplers came along I moved to all Sergent.

Good luck & if I can be of any help,drop me a line.

Al Hummel



On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 7:59 PM, "Richard Payne rpayne101@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:


 
Mr. Hummel,

Thanks for your reply.  My son is 15.  I understand why you asked and no offense is taken.  He amazes me sometimes since he prefers to scratch build then build kits. He started making buildings out of paper, kind of mock setup, and then moved to plastic and wood.  He is teaching himself the 'art' of modeling.  I only help when he asks for help.  Kind of the way I learn how over the years.  He currently building a diorama of SFO back in the 40's at a scale of 1:400.  While it's not a scale I would start with, its turning out looking good.  It is his first real attempt at scratch building to boot.  With model railroading I am helping him with scenery and weathering.

We both belong to a local model railroad club so our rolling stock and motive power cover late 40's to late 60's.  Home layout will cover the 60's to present.  From what you say, I can pick up a mixture of couplers and install them per year and car type.  Thanks again for the info.

Best Regards,
Rick



On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 4:07 PM, "Alan Hummel ahummel72@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:


 
How old is your son? I ask because of the level of care needed for proper assembly for good working & that wasn't meant in a derogatory manner,just the opposite.

The type coupler you choose,depends to a high degree on the era you're modeling in. Before 1975,the common E coupler would be my coupler of choice.

In 1975,the Government mandated that all tank cars carrying hazardous materials,install the double shelf couplers to keep an adjoining common E coupler from sliding up & out of the coupler on the tank car&puncturing the tank. In years since that date,the railroads have changed much of their engines & rolling stock over to double shelf couplers for tankers and lower shelf couplers for non hazardous cargos.

Again,depending on your era of modeling interest,will depend on your couplers of choice. You can have E couplers,SE,(double shelf E couplers),SBE,(E lower shelf couplers),SF,(double shelf F couplers),F couplers&H couplers all intermingled,again depending on era of modeling. The H couplers are designed primarily for passenger trains.

Hope this helps.
Al Hummel




Re: Intermountain Auto Racks?

Cliff
 

Thanks for the numbers. I will be using the .130 then.

With my Exactrail box, all I had left was a pair of narrow shank couplers in the Accurail draft sills; removed them, had to chop the inner post on the Exactrail draft sill and make my own further up.
I havent't opened up the BLMAs...

Re: [SergentEng] Re: Recommendations and Advice for Someone New to Sergent Couplers

Alan Hummel
 

Rick,

That's a remarkable skill your son has. Builders in O Scale are especially badly needed & the money is great in that scale although it's a fantastic skill in any scale.

Glad to help with the couplers. These are indeed fine couplers. I started with Kadee but as soon as the shelf couplers came along I moved to all Sergent.

Good luck & if I can be of any help,drop me a line.

Al Hummel



On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 7:59 PM, "Richard Payne rpayne101@... [SergentEng]" wrote:


 
Mr. Hummel,

Thanks for your reply.  My son is 15.  I understand why you asked and no offense is taken.  He amazes me sometimes since he prefers to scratch build then build kits. He started making buildings out of paper, kind of mock setup, and then moved to plastic and wood.  He is teaching himself the 'art' of modeling.  I only help when he asks for help.  Kind of the way I learn how over the years.  He currently building a diorama of SFO back in the 40's at a scale of 1:400.  While it's not a scale I would start with, its turning out looking good.  It is his first real attempt at scratch building to boot.  With model railroading I am helping him with scenery and weathering.

We both belong to a local model railroad club so our rolling stock and motive power cover late 40's to late 60's.  Home layout will cover the 60's to present.  From what you say, I can pick up a mixture of couplers and install them per year and car type.  Thanks again for the info.

Best Regards,
Rick



On Tuesday, December 8, 2015 4:07 PM, "Alan Hummel ahummel72@... [SergentEng]" <SergentEng@...> wrote:


 
How old is your son? I ask because of the level of care needed for proper assembly for good working & that wasn't meant in a derogatory manner,just the opposite.

The type coupler you choose,depends to a high degree on the era you're modeling in. Before 1975,the common E coupler would be my coupler of choice.

In 1975,the Government mandated that all tank cars carrying hazardous materials,install the double shelf couplers to keep an adjoining common E coupler from sliding up & out of the coupler on the tank car&puncturing the tank. In years since that date,the railroads have changed much of their engines & rolling stock over to double shelf couplers for tankers and lower shelf couplers for non hazardous cargos.

Again,depending on your era of modeling interest,will depend on your couplers of choice. You can have E couplers,SE,(double shelf E couplers),SBE,(E lower shelf couplers),SF,(double shelf F couplers),F couplers&H couplers all intermingled,again depending on era of modeling. The H couplers are designed primarily for passenger trains.

Hope this helps.
Al Hummel