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Re: Sergent RNB87KB available / no longer needed Make Offer

Scott
 

If the other party doesn't come through or only buys one bulk pack, I'm interested.

Scott Dean
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Re: Glatzl couplers

Edward Sutorik
 

Dennis,

Thank you much for the info!  I've used them for "unit trains", in particular a nice long string of Bethgons that just run back and forth.  I use Sergents on the locos, the end of the train, plus in the middle so it's easier to switch.

I'd be thrilled to see them again--glad they're still "alive".


Ed

Edward Sutorik


On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 03:17 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 02:08 PM, Edward Sutorik wrote:
I don't believe that the mold was "worn out"--not enough cycles.  In my opinion.

Perhaps something else happened to it.
Yeah. The Glatzl couplers are injection molded engineering resin, from hard steel molds. A bit of background: Frank Glatzl was Accurail's toolmaker in the late nineties. When he came onboard, he already had a personal project to build a tool for a working rotary draft gear to fit the E&C bathtub gon, IIRC. It was initially designed to use the head of a full size Kadee coupler epoxied in the rotating shank. The project was on hold for most the time Mr. Glatzl was at Accurail, but I do recall running test shots for him.

Frank Glatzl was at Accurail during the period when the Accumate coupler and the scale size Proto:HO Accumate were developed, in fact he built both those tools. After he left on good terms for greener pastures, he did finish the rotary draft gear. Talking with him, he said that he was disappointed with the Kadee application; the Kadee knuckle profiles have so much slack built in that the fixed knuckle wouldn't drag the rotary knuckle back level, and the couplers would not uncouple with one at an angle. So, he decided to just tool a dummy knuckle, since he had copies of all the AAR type E drawings from his days at Accurail. He of course had to tool the mating fixed coupler, and he sent me samples.

By this time Frank Sergent had released his original offering, also modeled on the Type E. Out of curiosity, I mounted some of each on some cars and found the were completely compatible, and since only one knuckle has to open to couple, the dummies could mix freely with the Sergents, so long as the cars never turned. So I put the two Franks in touch, suggesting that that there were advantages to be had by collaborating.

The last time I talked to Frank Glatzl he was doing well, had a family, didn't have a layout but owned a speeder. He seemed to go back to railfanning as his hobby. I suspect the tools could be purchased, however, I'm also sure that it would have to be a package deal with the rotary draft gear tool included.

Dennis Storzek
President, Accurail, Inc.


Re: Sergent RNB87KB

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 09:44 AM, Andy Carlson wrote:
While many narrow gauge railroads used reduced size couplers, the Colorado narrow gauge system used standard gauge sized couplers, which I suppose, since the D&RGW was a class one railroad, they would have standardized on the full size couplers.
 
Yes, but... The 'full size' couplers on the Colorado NG lines were traditionally pre-AAR MCB profile knuckles, Tower, Climax, Sharon, etc. These were typically 9-1/4" from pulling face (inside of knuckle) to striker horn (back of coupler head) and were physically smaller than the ARA Type D, developed in the WWI era, and AAR Type E, adopted in the thirties, although they would couple to the later couplers. Both the D and E measure 12" from pulling face to striker horn. Since the abandonment of the D&RGW NG, the Cumbres & Toltec has equipped some cars with Type E couplers, and they look positively HUGE. I'm sure Frank Sergent modeled his NG coupler on these older MCB coupler heads.

Dennis Storzek 


Sergent RNB87KB

Andy Carlson
 

While many narrow gauge railroads used reduced size couplers, the Colorado narrow gauge system used standard gauge sized couplers, which I suppose, since the D&RGW was a class one railroad, they would have standardized on the full size couplers.

For years I thought that the Central Coast California 3' narrow gauge RR, the Pacific Coast Railway of San Luis Obispo, used smaller couplers, but I recently learned that they too used standard sized couplers.

-Andy Carlson


On Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 06:45:35 AM PDT, Mark Lewis <narrowrails12@...> wrote:


Yes, the Sergent RN"B"87K coupler is the HOn3 Sharon coupler that is a drop in for Blackstone HOn3 coupler boxes(not for locomotive front pilot applications).

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.

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Re: Sergent RNB87KB available / no longer needed Make Offer

sherlockholmes82@yahoo.it
 

Those are Sharons, I confirm :-)

Il martedì 13 settembre 2022 15:18:23 CEST, CACustoms <myg2004.cf@...> ha scritto:


Just for my clarification- are these Sharon style couplers?

I can not remember all the numbers but I think that is what they are..


Re: Sergent RNB87KB available / no longer needed Make Offer

George A.Nefstead Sr. <geonef229@...>
 

Yes these are Sharon style. At present I am waiting for confirmation of payment from another party. Thank You for your interest.

George 


On Sep 13, 2022, at 8:18 AM, CACustoms <myg2004.cf@...> wrote:

Just for my clarification- are these Sharon style couplers?

I can not remember all the numbers but I think that is what they are..


Re: Sergent RNB87KB available / no longer needed Make Offer

Mark Lewis
 

Yes, the Sergent RN"B"87K coupler is the HOn3 Sharon coupler that is a drop in for Blackstone HOn3 coupler boxes(not for locomotive front pilot applications).

Mark Lewis 
Narrow gauge modeling in N.C.


Re: Sergent RNB87KB available / no longer needed Make Offer

 

Just for my clarification- are these Sharon style couplers?

I can not remember all the numbers but I think that is what they are..


Re: Glatzl couplers

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
 

The boxes from Jim King at Smokey Mountain have centering devices.

Talmadge C 'TC' Carr
Sn42 and Mn42 in 1923
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Re: Sergent RNB87KB available / no longer needed Make Offer

Dale Kritzky
 

Hi George, what's the cost? Send check? Dale Kritzky



On September 12, 2022, at 5:40 PM, "George A.Nefstead Sr." <geonef229@...> wrote:


Have 2 full bulk packages  available at cost? Make me an offer

Geo....


Sergent RNB87KB available / no longer needed Make Offer

George A.Nefstead Sr. <geonef229@...>
 

Have 2 full bulk packages  available at cost? Make me an offer

Geo....


Re: Glatzl couplers

Mike Van Hove
 

Wow!  They look like solid Gold.  Finish is beautiful.

If they work as well as the Sergents, you are in for a real treat.

Thanks for sharing,
Mike Van Hove ( happy user of HOn3 Sergent couplers for years)

On Sep 11, 2022, at 8:02 PM, brandtles751@... via groups.io <brandtles751@...> wrote:

Thank you.




On Sunday, September 11, 2022, 6:52 PM, Neil Erickson <erickson.neilc@...> wrote:

I thought I’d post an update to this as my order of S scale “Sargent” couplers arrived this week. These are assembled couplers 3d printed in wax and cast in brass from Inventive Model Studios in China. I am very impressed with these and they work flawlessly. 

I intend to install these on my S scale cars and On30 Oahu Railway Waihiawa Branch cars until I can upgrade all of the fleet. A magnet on a stick is used to lift a steel ball in the coupler to release the knuckle and uncouple. They do not have centering springs so operate like the prototype. When coupled I cannot discern any slack. They are simply amazing. I’ll post pictures of some installed on my Journal site soon.
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Neil Erickson 
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Re: Glatzl couplers

brandtles751@yahoo.com
 

Thank you.




On Sunday, September 11, 2022, 6:52 PM, Neil Erickson <erickson.neilc@...> wrote:

I thought I’d post an update to this as my order of S scale “Sargent” couplers arrived this week. These are assembled couplers 3d printed in wax and cast in brass from Inventive Model Studios in China. I am very impressed with these and they work flawlessly. 

I intend to install these on my S scale cars and On30 Oahu Railway Waihiawa Branch cars until I can upgrade all of the fleet. A magnet on a stick is used to lift a steel ball in the coupler to release the knuckle and uncouple. They do not have centering springs so operate like the prototype. When coupled I cannot discern any slack. They are simply amazing. I’ll post pictures of some installed on my Journal site soon.
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Neil Erickson 


Re: Glatzl couplers

Neil Erickson
 

I thought I’d post an update to this as my order of S scale “Sargent” couplers arrived this week. These are assembled couplers 3d printed in wax and cast in brass from Inventive Model Studios in China. I am very impressed with these and they work flawlessly. 

I intend to install these on my S scale cars and On30 Oahu Railway Waihiawa Branch cars until I can upgrade all of the fleet. A magnet on a stick is used to lift a steel ball in the coupler to release the knuckle and uncouple. They do not have centering springs so operate like the prototype. When coupled I cannot discern any slack. They are simply amazing. I’ll post pictures of some installed on my Journal site soon.
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Neil Erickson 


Re: Glatzl couplers

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 02:08 PM, Edward Sutorik wrote:
I don't believe that the mold was "worn out"--not enough cycles.  In my opinion.

Perhaps something else happened to it.
Yeah. The Glatzl couplers are injection molded engineering resin, from hard steel molds. A bit of background: Frank Glatzl was Accurail's toolmaker in the late nineties. When he came onboard, he already had a personal project to build a tool for a working rotary draft gear to fit the E&C bathtub gon, IIRC. It was initially designed to use the head of a full size Kadee coupler epoxied in the rotating shank. The project was on hold for most the time Mr. Glatzl was at Accurail, but I do recall running test shots for him.

Frank Glatzl was at Accurail during the period when the Accumate coupler and the scale size Proto:HO Accumate were developed, in fact he built both those tools. After he left on good terms for greener pastures, he did finish the rotary draft gear. Talking with him, he said that he was disappointed with the Kadee application; the Kadee knuckle profiles have so much slack built in that the fixed knuckle wouldn't drag the rotary knuckle back level, and the couplers would not uncouple with one at an angle. So, he decided to just tool a dummy knuckle, since he had copies of all the AAR type E drawings from his days at Accurail. He of course had to tool the mating fixed coupler, and he sent me samples.

By this time Frank Sergent had released his original offering, also modeled on the Type E. Out of curiosity, I mounted some of each on some cars and found the were completely compatible, and since only one knuckle has to open to couple, the dummies could mix freely with the Sergents, so long as the cars never turned. So I put the two Franks in touch, suggesting that that there were advantages to be had by collaborating.

The last time I talked to Frank Glatzl he was doing well, had a family, didn't have a layout but owned a speeder. He seemed to go back to railfanning as his hobby. I suspect the tools could be purchased, however, I'm also sure that it would have to be a package deal with the rotary draft gear tool included.

Dennis Storzek
President, Accurail, Inc.


Found new home: GLTZ couplers

Andy Carlson
 

Thanks, that was fast!
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 12:58:16 PM PDT, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:


I have an extra package of engineered plastic fixed coupler from Sergent Co, contains 24 couplers (12 pair). I would not be surprised to find out that they will couple up to a Sergent type E coupler. Envelope has printed "Sergent Engineering 24 Model GLTZ Dummy Couplers"

I don't need a lot of these, so for $4, plus $5 postage in a padded envelope to the US, someone is welcomed to purchase these.

I accept checks and with a small fee, PayPal is welcomed. <midcentury@...>
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 08:06:52 AM PDT, RJ Dial <radiodial57@...> wrote:


These 3D printed (fixed knuckle) ones work fine for cars that are always coupled together, like passenger cars. They also come in extended lengths. Inexpensive, too.
https://www.ho3dim.com/#products
--
RJ Dial
Mendocino, CA


GLTZ couplers

Andy Carlson
 

I have an extra package of engineered plastic fixed coupler from Sergent Co, contains 24 couplers (12 pair). I would not be surprised to find out that they will couple up to a Sergent type E coupler. Envelope has printed "Sergent Engineering 24 Model GLTZ Dummy Couplers"

I don't need a lot of these, so for $4, plus $5 postage in a padded envelope to the US, someone is welcomed to purchase these.

I accept checks and with a small fee, PayPal is welcomed. <midcentury@...>
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Wednesday, September 7, 2022 at 08:06:52 AM PDT, RJ Dial <radiodial57@...> wrote:


These 3D printed (fixed knuckle) ones work fine for cars that are always coupled together, like passenger cars. They also come in extended lengths. Inexpensive, too.
https://www.ho3dim.com/#products
--
RJ Dial
Mendocino, CA


Re: Glatzl couplers

Edward Sutorik
 

James,

I don't believe that the mold was "worn out"--not enough cycles.  In my opinion.

Perhaps something else happened to it.  And perhaps could "un-happen" to it.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Glatzl couplers

RJ Dial
 

These 3D printed (fixed knuckle) ones work fine for cars that are always coupled together, like passenger cars. They also come in extended lengths. Inexpensive, too.
https://www.ho3dim.com/#products
--
RJ Dial
Mendocino, CA


Re: Glatzl couplers

Jerry Kitts
 

Mike,

Your are thinking about Chris Cardinal and his Adirondack Car and Foundry.

Jerry Kitts

On Sep 6, 2022, at 7:14 PM, Mike Conder via groups.io <vulturenest1@...> wrote:

There are two businesses working to produce Sergent couplers, one in the US and one in China.  Eric Xing from China is producing and shipping them now, making them from brassnand delivering assembled. 

And the other guy (apologies, forgot his name!) Is in the US and I think close to production runs.  Others may be able to fill in the blanks and add corrections here.

I think the entire line will be eventually produced somewhere soon.

Mike Conder

On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 6:30 PM Edward Sutorik via groups.io<Edwardsutorik=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I know these are supposed to be "gone", but it's really hard to believe that someone wouldn't take advantage of an existing mold and do another run of these--perhaps by direct purchase in multiples of 500.

I find them very convenient for unit trains.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


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Mike Conder

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