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Hello everyone,
I was wondering if anyone could help me locate a male descendant of SPOW Duncan Chisholm that would be willing to join the Scotts Prisoners Y dna project. I am kit #887186. I can trace my paternal line back to a Robert Roe in born about 1659 in Salisbury Ma. Robert had a son with Mary Paine, Robert Rowe Jr who became an indentured servant for Capt. Joseph Swett. Familytreedna placed me in the Chisholm surname and said that at a GD of about 350-400 years ago their is a 98% chance my surname was Chisholm. This is why I believe I am a descendant of Duncan's.
Thanks for any help
Paul Kates
On 02/23/2021 3:42 AM Andrew Millard <a.r.millard@...> wrote:
Hello and welcome mccarpenter,
The Society web site has a limited set of information about Alexander at https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-war/battle-of-dunbar-prisoner-profiles/alexander-bow/
A lot more detail is given on this site https://alexanderbow.com/alexander/
As far as I know he is never explicitly said to be Scottish in contemporary records, but his land grant on the same day and adjacent to other known Scots strongly suggests it.
From: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io <ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io> On Behalf Of mccarpenter via groups.io
Sent: 23 February 2021 04:37
To: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io
Subject: [ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety] Alexander Bow descendent #Introductions
Hello. I recently discovered that Alexander Bow is my ancestor (b. 1605, d. Nov. 6, 1678 in Middleton, Middlesex Co., Connecticut, USA). I am looking for any information about him. All I know is he was born in Scotland (some sources say "possibly born in Scotland") and he may have been one of the SPOW.
I also have Forbes and Grant connections.
I am looking forward to discovering more here!
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Hi Paul,
This is a bit of slow reply as I’ve been snowed under with other things.
How far back is your paper-trail verified by autosomal or Y-DNA matches to other Rowe descendants? The Chisholm who fathered a Rowe doesn’t have to be in that first
generation unless you can demonstrate that is the only possibility. Looking at your family tree the Rowes are all in Hampton, New Hampshire. The first couple of generations of Chisholms are in Biddeford, Maine, which is less than 50 miles away, and some later
generations are at Newbury, Massachusetts, only 16 miles away, so it is hard to rule out interactions between the families in the intervening centuries.
I’ll ask to get the website changed for Duncan Chisholm, as I didn’t know of that 1659 reference when we were writing Lost Lives New Voices.
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From: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io <ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io>
On Behalf Of Paul Kate's via groups.io
Sent: 23 February 2021 16:04
To: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io; MILLARD, ANDREW R. <a.r.millard@...>
Subject: [ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety] SPOW Duncan Chisholm
I was wondering if anyone could help me locate a male descendant of SPOW Duncan Chisholm that would be willing to join the Scotts Prisoners Y dna project. I
am kit #887186. I can trace my paternal line back to a Robert Roe in born about 1659 in Salisbury Ma. Robert had a son with Mary Paine, Robert Rowe Jr who became an indentured servant for Capt. Joseph Swett. Familytreedna placed me in the Chisholm surname
and said that at a GD of about 350-400 years ago their is a 98% chance my surname was Chisholm. This is why I believe I am a descendant of Duncan's.
Hello and welcome mccarpenter,
The Society web site has a limited set of information about Alexander at
https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-war/battle-of-dunbar-prisoner-profiles/alexander-bow/
A lot more detail is given on this site
https://alexanderbow.com/alexander/
As far as I know he is never explicitly said to be Scottish in contemporary records, but his land grant on
the same day and adjacent to other known Scots strongly suggests it.
Hello. I recently discovered that Alexander Bow is my ancestor (b. 1605, d. Nov. 6, 1678 in Middleton, Middlesex Co., Connecticut, USA). I am looking for any information about
him. All I know is he was born in Scotland (some sources say "possibly born in Scotland") and he may have been one of the SPOW.
I also have Forbes and Grant connections.
I am looking forward to discovering more here!
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Hi Dr. Millard,
Thanks for getting back to me. I have an autosmal dna match to an Elizabeth Rowe(450 centimorgans) that verified my fathers probate court records stating that his biological father was Harry Sherman Rowe. The family is well documented to Robert Roe in Salisbury Ma.This is where it ended until I did the Y dna test and FTDNA put me in the Chisholm surname project. FTDNA said that a GD of 16(350-400) years ago my surname was Chisholm so there must have been a paternal event around this time.This is why I believe it's the only possability. I'm wondering if Duncan did his 7 years for the Folsom or Gilman family.
Sandra Chesemore has living male relatives that could take the Y dna test but she does'nt respond to my emails.
Thanks again - Paul
On 03/26/2021 8:54 AM Andrew Millard <a.r.millard@...> wrote:
Hi Paul,
This is a bit of slow reply as I’ve been snowed under with other things.
How far back is your paper-trail verified by autosomal or Y-DNA matches to other Rowe descendants? The Chisholm who fathered a Rowe doesn’t have to be in that first generation unless you can demonstrate that is the only possibility. Looking at your family tree the Rowes are all in Hampton, New Hampshire. The first couple of generations of Chisholms are in Biddeford, Maine, which is less than 50 miles away, and some later generations are at Newbury, Massachusetts, only 16 miles away, so it is hard to rule out interactions between the families in the intervening centuries.
I’ll ask to get the website changed for Duncan Chisholm, as I didn’t know of that 1659 reference when we were writing Lost Lives New Voices.
From: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io <ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Kate's via groups.io
Sent: 23 February 2021 16:04
To: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io; MILLARD, ANDREW R. <a.r.millard@...>
Subject: [ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety] SPOW Duncan Chisholm
I was wondering if anyone could help me locate a male descendant of SPOW Duncan Chisholm that would be willing to join the Scotts Prisoners Y dna project. I am kit #887186. I can trace my paternal line back to a Robert Roe in born about 1659 in Salisbury Ma. Robert had a son with Mary Paine, Robert Rowe Jr who became an indentured servant for Capt. Joseph Swett. Familytreedna placed me in the Chisholm surname and said that at a GD of about 350-400 years ago their is a 98% chance my surname was Chisholm. This is why I believe I am a descendant of Duncan's.
Hello and welcome mccarpenter,
The Society web site has a limited set of information about Alexander at https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-war/battle-of-dunbar-prisoner-profiles/alexander-bow/
A lot more detail is given on this site https://alexanderbow.com/alexander/
As far as I know he is never explicitly said to be Scottish in contemporary records, but his land grant on the same day and adjacent to other known Scots strongly suggests it.
Hello. I recently discovered that Alexander Bow is my ancestor (b. 1605, d. Nov. 6, 1678 in Middleton, Middlesex Co., Connecticut, USA). I am looking for any information about him. All I know is he was born in Scotland (some sources say "possibly born in Scotland") and he may have been one of the SPOW.
I also have Forbes and Grant connections.
I am looking forward to discovering more here!
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Hi Dr. Millard,
Thanks for getting back to me. I have an autosmal dna match to an Elizabeth Rowe(450 centimorgans) that verified my fathers probate court records stating that his biological father was Harry Sherman Rowe. The family is well documented to Robert Roe in Salisbury Ma.This is where it ended until I did the Y dna test and FTDNA put me in the Chisholm surname project. FTDNA said that a GD of 16(350-400) years ago my surname was Chisholm so there must have been a paternal event around this time.This is why I believe it's the only possability. I'm wondering if Duncan did his 7 years for the Folsom or Gilman family.
Sandra Chesemore has living male relatives that could take the Y dna test but she does'nt respond to my emails.
Thanks again - Paul
Hi Paul,
This is a bit of slow reply as I’ve been snowed under with other things.
How far back is your paper-trail verified by autosomal or Y-DNA matches to other Rowe descendants? The Chisholm who fathered a Rowe doesn’t have to be in that first generation unless you can demonstrate that is the only possibility. Looking at your family tree the Rowes are all in Hampton, New Hampshire. The first couple of generations of Chisholms are in Biddeford, Maine, which is less than 50 miles away, and some later generations are at Newbury, Massachusetts, only 16 miles away, so it is hard to rule out interactions between the families in the intervening centuries.
I’ll ask to get the website changed for Duncan Chisholm, as I didn’t know of that 1659 reference when we were writing Lost Lives New Voices.
I was wondering if anyone could help me locate a male descendant of SPOW Duncan Chisholm that would be willing to join the Scotts Prisoners Y dna project. I am kit #887186. I can trace my paternal line back to a Robert Roe in born about 1659 in Salisbury Ma. Robert had a son with Mary Paine, Robert Rowe Jr who became an indentured servant for Capt. Joseph Swett. Familytreedna placed me in the Chisholm surname and said that at a GD of about 350-400 years ago their is a 98% chance my surname was Chisholm. This is why I believe I am a descendant of Duncan's.
Hello and welcome mccarpenter,
The Society web site has a limited set of information about Alexander at https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-war/battle-of-dunbar-prisoner-profiles/alexander-bow/
A lot more detail is given on this site https://alexanderbow.com/alexander/
As far as I know he is never explicitly said to be Scottish in contemporary records, but his land grant on the same day and adjacent to other known Scots strongly suggests it.
Hello. I recently discovered that Alexander Bow is my ancestor (b. 1605, d. Nov. 6, 1678 in Middleton, Middlesex Co., Connecticut, USA). I am looking for any information about him. All I know is he was born in Scotland (some sources say "possibly born in Scotland") and he may have been one of the SPOW.
I also have Forbes and Grant connections.
I am looking forward to discovering more here!
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Hi Sue,
Yes I have talked to Sandra Chesemore. She said she has living male descendants but she does not respond to my emails or phone calls for some reason. If her brother or father would take the Y dna test and FTDNA put them in the same Chisholm branch as me it would verify everything but she has not gotten back to me.
Thanks Sue
On 03/26/2021 5:00 PM S Ray <graymond1314@...> wrote:
Hi Dr. Millard,
Thanks for getting back to me. I have an autosmal dna match to an Elizabeth Rowe(450 centimorgans) that verified my fathers probate court records stating that his biological father was Harry Sherman Rowe. The family is well documented to Robert Roe in Salisbury Ma.This is where it ended until I did the Y dna test and FTDNA put me in the Chisholm surname project. FTDNA said that a GD of 16(350-400) years ago my surname was Chisholm so there must have been a paternal event around this time.This is why I believe it's the only possability. I'm wondering if Duncan did his 7 years for the Folsom or Gilman family.
Sandra Chesemore has living male relatives that could take the Y dna test but she does'nt respond to my emails.
Thanks again - Paul
Hi Paul,
This is a bit of slow reply as I’ve been snowed under with other things.
How far back is your paper-trail verified by autosomal or Y-DNA matches to other Rowe descendants? The Chisholm who fathered a Rowe doesn’t have to be in that first generation unless you can demonstrate that is the only possibility. Looking at your family tree the Rowes are all in Hampton, New Hampshire. The first couple of generations of Chisholms are in Biddeford, Maine, which is less than 50 miles away, and some later generations are at Newbury, Massachusetts, only 16 miles away, so it is hard to rule out interactions between the families in the intervening centuries.
I’ll ask to get the website changed for Duncan Chisholm, as I didn’t know of that 1659 reference when we were writing Lost Lives New Voices.
From: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io < ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Kate's via groups.ioSent: 23 February 2021 16:04 To: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io; MILLARD, ANDREW R. < a.r.millard@...> Subject: [ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety] SPOW Duncan Chisholm
I was wondering if anyone could help me locate a male descendant of SPOW Duncan Chisholm that would be willing to join the Scotts Prisoners Y dna project. I am kit #887186. I can trace my paternal line back to a Robert Roe in born about 1659 in Salisbury Ma. Robert had a son with Mary Paine, Robert Rowe Jr who became an indentured servant for Capt. Joseph Swett. Familytreedna placed me in the Chisholm surname and said that at a GD of about 350-400 years ago their is a 98% chance my surname was Chisholm. This is why I believe I am a descendant of Duncan's.
Hello and welcome mccarpenter,
The Society web site has a limited set of information about Alexander at https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-war/battle-of-dunbar-prisoner-profiles/alexander-bow/
A lot more detail is given on this site https://alexanderbow.com/alexander/
As far as I know he is never explicitly said to be Scottish in contemporary records, but his land grant on the same day and adjacent to other known Scots strongly suggests it.
Hello. I recently discovered that Alexander Bow is my ancestor (b. 1605, d. Nov. 6, 1678 in Middleton, Middlesex Co., Connecticut, USA). I am looking for any information about him. All I know is he was born in Scotland (some sources say "possibly born in Scotland") and he may have been one of the SPOW.
I also have Forbes and Grant connections.
I am looking forward to discovering more here!
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Hi Paul,
That 450 cM match, which is first to second cousin level, most likely first cousin once-removed or half-first cousin, only verifies the paper trail back to your common
ancestors, so grandparents or great-grandparents. The Y-DNA result tells you that you and the Chisholm testers have a common ancestor 350-400 years ago, but it doesn’t tell you when a Chisholm fathered a Rowe. That Chisholm could be your 2x-great -grandfather
or he could be your 6x-great-grandfather. In both cases the common ancestor with the tested Chisholms would be the same, prior to Duncan Chisholm’s migration to New England.
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From: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io <ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io>
On Behalf Of Paul Kate's via groups.io
Sent: 26 March 2021 17:19
To: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety] SPOW Duncan Chisholm
Thanks for getting back to me. I have an autosmal dna match to an Elizabeth Rowe(450 centimorgans) that verified my fathers probate court records stating that
his biological father was Harry Sherman Rowe. The family is well documented to Robert Roe in Salisbury Ma.This is where it ended until I did the Y dna test and FTDNA put me in the Chisholm surname project. FTDNA said that a GD of 16(350-400) years ago my surname
was Chisholm so there must have been a paternal event around this time.This is why I believe it's the only possability. I'm wondering if Duncan did his 7 years for the Folsom or Gilman family. Sandra Chesemore has living male relatives that could take the
Y dna test but she does'nt respond to my emails.
Hi Paul,
This is a bit of slow reply as I’ve been snowed under with other things.
How far back is your paper-trail verified by autosomal or Y-DNA matches to other Rowe descendants? The Chisholm
who fathered a Rowe doesn’t have to be in that first generation unless you can demonstrate that is the only possibility. Looking at your family tree the Rowes are all in Hampton, New Hampshire. The first couple of generations of Chisholms are in Biddeford,
Maine, which is less than 50 miles away, and some later generations are at Newbury, Massachusetts, only 16 miles away, so it is hard to rule out interactions between the families in the intervening centuries.
I’ll ask to get the website changed for Duncan Chisholm, as I didn’t know of that 1659 reference when we
were writing Lost Lives New Voices.
I was wondering if anyone could help me locate a male descendant of SPOW Duncan Chisholm that would
be willing to join the Scotts Prisoners Y dna project. I am kit #887186. I can trace my paternal line back to a Robert Roe in born about 1659 in Salisbury Ma. Robert had a son with Mary Paine, Robert Rowe Jr who became an indentured servant for Capt. Joseph
Swett. Familytreedna placed me in the Chisholm surname and said that at a GD of about 350-400 years ago their is a 98% chance my surname was Chisholm. This is why I believe I am a descendant of Duncan's.
Hello and welcome mccarpenter,
The Society web site has a limited set of information about Alexander at
https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-war/battle-of-dunbar-prisoner-profiles/alexander-bow/
A lot more detail is given on this site
https://alexanderbow.com/alexander/
As far as I know he is never explicitly said to be Scottish in contemporary records, but his land grant on
the same day and adjacent to other known Scots strongly suggests it.
Hello. I recently discovered that Alexander Bow is my ancestor (b. 1605, d. Nov. 6, 1678 in Middleton, Middlesex Co., Connecticut, USA). I am looking for any information about
him. All I know is he was born in Scotland (some sources say "possibly born in Scotland") and he may have been one of the SPOW.
I also have Forbes and Grant connections.
I am looking forward to discovering more here!
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Hi Paul,
I had another thought about how to look at this. One the Rowe DNA project you are not grouped with anyone. Are there any people there who descend from Robert Rowe who
don’t match you? That might help to decide when your Rowe line became genetically distinct from other Rowes.
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From: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io <ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io>
On Behalf Of Andrew Millard via groups.io
Sent: 27 March 2021 09:25
To: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety] SPOW Duncan Chisholm
Hi Paul,
That 450 cM match, which is first to second cousin level, most likely first cousin once-removed or half-first cousin, only verifies the paper trail back to your common
ancestors, so grandparents or great-grandparents. The Y-DNA result tells you that you and the Chisholm testers have a common ancestor 350-400 years ago, but it doesn’t tell you when a Chisholm fathered a Rowe. That Chisholm could be your 2x-great -grandfather
or he could be your 6x-great-grandfather. In both cases the common ancestor with the tested Chisholms would be the same, prior to Duncan Chisholm’s migration to New England.
Thanks for getting back to me. I have an autosmal dna match to an Elizabeth Rowe(450 centimorgans) that verified my fathers probate court records stating that
his biological father was Harry Sherman Rowe. The family is well documented to Robert Roe in Salisbury Ma.This is where it ended until I did the Y dna test and FTDNA put me in the Chisholm surname project. FTDNA said that a GD of 16(350-400) years ago my surname
was Chisholm so there must have been a paternal event around this time.This is why I believe it's the only possability. I'm wondering if Duncan did his 7 years for the Folsom or Gilman family. Sandra Chesemore has living male relatives that could take the
Y dna test but she does'nt respond to my emails.
Hi Paul,
This is a bit of slow reply as I’ve been snowed under with other things.
How far back is your paper-trail verified by autosomal or Y-DNA matches to other Rowe descendants? The Chisholm
who fathered a Rowe doesn’t have to be in that first generation unless you can demonstrate that is the only possibility. Looking at your family tree the Rowes are all in Hampton, New Hampshire. The first couple of generations of Chisholms are in Biddeford,
Maine, which is less than 50 miles away, and some later generations are at Newbury, Massachusetts, only 16 miles away, so it is hard to rule out interactions between the families in the intervening centuries.
I’ll ask to get the website changed for Duncan Chisholm, as I didn’t know of that 1659 reference when we
were writing Lost Lives New Voices.
I was wondering if anyone could help me locate a male descendant of SPOW Duncan Chisholm that would
be willing to join the Scotts Prisoners Y dna project. I am kit #887186. I can trace my paternal line back to a Robert Roe in born about 1659 in Salisbury Ma. Robert had a son with Mary Paine, Robert Rowe Jr who became an indentured servant for Capt. Joseph
Swett. Familytreedna placed me in the Chisholm surname and said that at a GD of about 350-400 years ago their is a 98% chance my surname was Chisholm. This is why I believe I am a descendant of Duncan's.
Hello and welcome mccarpenter,
The Society web site has a limited set of information about Alexander at
https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-war/battle-of-dunbar-prisoner-profiles/alexander-bow/
A lot more detail is given on this site
https://alexanderbow.com/alexander/
As far as I know he is never explicitly said to be Scottish in contemporary records, but his land grant on
the same day and adjacent to other known Scots strongly suggests it.
Hello. I recently discovered that Alexander Bow is my ancestor (b. 1605, d. Nov. 6, 1678 in Middleton, Middlesex Co., Connecticut, USA). I am looking for any information about
him. All I know is he was born in Scotland (some sources say "possibly born in Scotland") and he may have been one of the SPOW.
I also have Forbes and Grant connections.
I am looking forward to discovering more here!
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Hi Dr. Millard,
That's a good point about the Rowe project.I took a look at the Paternal ancestor info but I don't see anyone who is connected to this Rowe line.
I think the paternal event was with Duncan b/c the Rowe tree gets blurry at about this exact point. Robert Roe was born around 1659 exactly when this Rowe line ends and in the same geographical area and also the name was spelled Roe which was used as a ficticious name back then, which I think seems fishy. Duncan had some sort of connection to Capt.Joseph Swett in Scarborough Maine and that is who RR jr became an indentured servant for. RR jr named one of his kids Daniel a Scottish name, possibly after his half uncle Daniel Chisholm or Chesemore. Also Robert Roe lived in Salisbury Ma and that is where the women and children retreated to after the Massacre at Black Point.
I would love to know if Sandra Chesemores bother/father took the Y test and if so were they placed in the Chisholm project. Do you know her and if so do you think that would help ?
Thanks again
Paul
On 03/27/2021 6:11 AM Andrew Millard <a.r.millard@...> wrote:
Hi Paul,
I had another thought about how to look at this. One the Rowe DNA project you are not grouped with anyone. Are there any people there who descend from Robert Rowe who don’t match you? That might help to decide when your Rowe line became genetically distinct from other Rowes.
From: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io <ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Millard via groups.io
Sent: 27 March 2021 09:25
To: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety] SPOW Duncan Chisholm
Hi Paul,
That 450 cM match, which is first to second cousin level, most likely first cousin once-removed or half-first cousin, only verifies the paper trail back to your common ancestors, so grandparents or great-grandparents. The Y-DNA result tells you that you and the Chisholm testers have a common ancestor 350-400 years ago, but it doesn’t tell you when a Chisholm fathered a Rowe. That Chisholm could be your 2x-great -grandfather or he could be your 6x-great-grandfather. In both cases the common ancestor with the tested Chisholms would be the same, prior to Duncan Chisholm’s migration to New England.
Thanks for getting back to me. I have an autosmal dna match to an Elizabeth Rowe(450 centimorgans) that verified my fathers probate court records stating that his biological father was Harry Sherman Rowe. The family is well documented to Robert Roe in Salisbury Ma.This is where it ended until I did the Y dna test and FTDNA put me in the Chisholm surname project. FTDNA said that a GD of 16(350-400) years ago my surname was Chisholm so there must have been a paternal event around this time.This is why I believe it's the only possability. I'm wondering if Duncan did his 7 years for the Folsom or Gilman family. Sandra Chesemore has living male relatives that could take the Y dna test but she does'nt respond to my emails.
Hi Paul,
This is a bit of slow reply as I’ve been snowed under with other things.
How far back is your paper-trail verified by autosomal or Y-DNA matches to other Rowe descendants? The Chisholm who fathered a Rowe doesn’t have to be in that first generation unless you can demonstrate that is the only possibility. Looking at your family tree the Rowes are all in Hampton, New Hampshire. The first couple of generations of Chisholms are in Biddeford, Maine, which is less than 50 miles away, and some later generations are at Newbury, Massachusetts, only 16 miles away, so it is hard to rule out interactions between the families in the intervening centuries.
I’ll ask to get the website changed for Duncan Chisholm, as I didn’t know of that 1659 reference when we were writing Lost Lives New Voices.
I was wondering if anyone could help me locate a male descendant of SPOW Duncan Chisholm that would be willing to join the Scotts Prisoners Y dna project. I am kit #887186. I can trace my paternal line back to a Robert Roe in born about 1659 in Salisbury Ma. Robert had a son with Mary Paine, Robert Rowe Jr who became an indentured servant for Capt. Joseph Swett. Familytreedna placed me in the Chisholm surname and said that at a GD of about 350-400 years ago their is a 98% chance my surname was Chisholm. This is why I believe I am a descendant of Duncan's.
Hello and welcome mccarpenter,
The Society web site has a limited set of information about Alexander at https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-war/battle-of-dunbar-prisoner-profiles/alexander-bow/
A lot more detail is given on this site https://alexanderbow.com/alexander/
As far as I know he is never explicitly said to be Scottish in contemporary records, but his land grant on the same day and adjacent to other known Scots strongly suggests it.
Hello. I recently discovered that Alexander Bow is my ancestor (b. 1605, d. Nov. 6, 1678 in Middleton, Middlesex Co., Connecticut, USA). I am looking for any information about him. All I know is he was born in Scotland (some sources say "possibly born in Scotland") and he may have been one of the SPOW.
I also have Forbes and Grant connections.
I am looking forward to discovering more here!
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Hello again Dr. Millard,
I'm starting to see what you mean-the paternal event could have happened anywhere, even possibly back Scotland. I can't assume the name Roe was ficticious as I've come across a few Roe's in my research. I guess I just have to wait and hope that a descendant of Duncan's or someone in the Roe/Rowe line takes the DNA test and I match or I don't.
Regards
Paul
On 03/27/2021 6:11 AM Andrew Millard <a.r.millard@...> wrote:
Hi Paul,
I had another thought about how to look at this. One the Rowe DNA project you are not grouped with anyone. Are there any people there who descend from Robert Rowe who don’t match you? That might help to decide when your Rowe line became genetically distinct from other Rowes.
From: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io <ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrew Millard via groups.io
Sent: 27 March 2021 09:25
To: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io
Subject: Re: [ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety] SPOW Duncan Chisholm
Hi Paul,
That 450 cM match, which is first to second cousin level, most likely first cousin once-removed or half-first cousin, only verifies the paper trail back to your common ancestors, so grandparents or great-grandparents. The Y-DNA result tells you that you and the Chisholm testers have a common ancestor 350-400 years ago, but it doesn’t tell you when a Chisholm fathered a Rowe. That Chisholm could be your 2x-great -grandfather or he could be your 6x-great-grandfather. In both cases the common ancestor with the tested Chisholms would be the same, prior to Duncan Chisholm’s migration to New England.
Thanks for getting back to me. I have an autosmal dna match to an Elizabeth Rowe(450 centimorgans) that verified my fathers probate court records stating that his biological father was Harry Sherman Rowe. The family is well documented to Robert Roe in Salisbury Ma.This is where it ended until I did the Y dna test and FTDNA put me in the Chisholm surname project. FTDNA said that a GD of 16(350-400) years ago my surname was Chisholm so there must have been a paternal event around this time.This is why I believe it's the only possability. I'm wondering if Duncan did his 7 years for the Folsom or Gilman family. Sandra Chesemore has living male relatives that could take the Y dna test but she does'nt respond to my emails.
Hi Paul,
This is a bit of slow reply as I’ve been snowed under with other things.
How far back is your paper-trail verified by autosomal or Y-DNA matches to other Rowe descendants? The Chisholm who fathered a Rowe doesn’t have to be in that first generation unless you can demonstrate that is the only possibility. Looking at your family tree the Rowes are all in Hampton, New Hampshire. The first couple of generations of Chisholms are in Biddeford, Maine, which is less than 50 miles away, and some later generations are at Newbury, Massachusetts, only 16 miles away, so it is hard to rule out interactions between the families in the intervening centuries.
I’ll ask to get the website changed for Duncan Chisholm, as I didn’t know of that 1659 reference when we were writing Lost Lives New Voices.
I was wondering if anyone could help me locate a male descendant of SPOW Duncan Chisholm that would be willing to join the Scotts Prisoners Y dna project. I am kit #887186. I can trace my paternal line back to a Robert Roe in born about 1659 in Salisbury Ma. Robert had a son with Mary Paine, Robert Rowe Jr who became an indentured servant for Capt. Joseph Swett. Familytreedna placed me in the Chisholm surname and said that at a GD of about 350-400 years ago their is a 98% chance my surname was Chisholm. This is why I believe I am a descendant of Duncan's.
Hello and welcome mccarpenter,
The Society web site has a limited set of information about Alexander at https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-war/battle-of-dunbar-prisoner-profiles/alexander-bow/
A lot more detail is given on this site https://alexanderbow.com/alexander/
As far as I know he is never explicitly said to be Scottish in contemporary records, but his land grant on the same day and adjacent to other known Scots strongly suggests it.
Hello. I recently discovered that Alexander Bow is my ancestor (b. 1605, d. Nov. 6, 1678 in Middleton, Middlesex Co., Connecticut, USA). I am looking for any information about him. All I know is he was born in Scotland (some sources say "possibly born in Scotland") and he may have been one of the SPOW.
I also have Forbes and Grant connections.
I am looking forward to discovering more here!
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Here is a link to the SPOW's Y-DNA project--joining it might eventually help you too. I looked at the list of testers (so far) and no Chisholm but who knows what may come down the pipeline? https://spows.org/y-dna-project/
Hello again Dr. Millard,
I'm starting to see what you mean-the paternal event could have happened anywhere, even possibly back Scotland. I can't assume the name Roe was ficticious as I've come across a few Roe's in my research. I guess I just have to wait and hope that a descendant of Duncan's or someone in the Roe/Rowe line takes the DNA test and I match or I don't.
Regards
Paul
Hi Paul,
I had another thought about how to look at this. One the Rowe DNA project you are not grouped with anyone. Are there any people there who descend from Robert Rowe who don’t match you? That might help to decide when your Rowe line became genetically distinct from other Rowes.
Hi Paul,
That 450 cM match, which is first to second cousin level, most likely first cousin once-removed or half-first cousin, only verifies the paper trail back to your common ancestors, so grandparents or great-grandparents. The Y-DNA result tells you that you and the Chisholm testers have a common ancestor 350-400 years ago, but it doesn’t tell you when a Chisholm fathered a Rowe. That Chisholm could be your 2x-great -grandfather or he could be your 6x-great-grandfather. In both cases the common ancestor with the tested Chisholms would be the same, prior to Duncan Chisholm’s migration to New England.
Thanks for getting back to me. I have an autosmal dna match to an Elizabeth Rowe(450 centimorgans) that verified my fathers probate court records stating that his biological father was Harry Sherman Rowe. The family is well documented to Robert Roe in Salisbury Ma.This is where it ended until I did the Y dna test and FTDNA put me in the Chisholm surname project. FTDNA said that a GD of 16(350-400) years ago my surname was Chisholm so there must have been a paternal event around this time.This is why I believe it's the only possability. I'm wondering if Duncan did his 7 years for the Folsom or Gilman family. Sandra Chesemore has living male relatives that could take the Y dna test but she does'nt respond to my emails.
Hi Paul,
This is a bit of slow reply as I’ve been snowed under with other things.
How far back is your paper-trail verified by autosomal or Y-DNA matches to other Rowe descendants? The Chisholm who fathered a Rowe doesn’t have to be in that first generation unless you can demonstrate that is the only possibility. Looking at your family tree the Rowes are all in Hampton, New Hampshire. The first couple of generations of Chisholms are in Biddeford, Maine, which is less than 50 miles away, and some later generations are at Newbury, Massachusetts, only 16 miles away, so it is hard to rule out interactions between the families in the intervening centuries.
I’ll ask to get the website changed for Duncan Chisholm, as I didn’t know of that 1659 reference when we were writing Lost Lives New Voices.
I was wondering if anyone could help me locate a male descendant of SPOW Duncan Chisholm that would be willing to join the Scotts Prisoners Y dna project. I am kit #887186. I can trace my paternal line back to a Robert Roe in born about 1659 in Salisbury Ma. Robert had a son with Mary Paine, Robert Rowe Jr who became an indentured servant for Capt. Joseph Swett. Familytreedna placed me in the Chisholm surname and said that at a GD of about 350-400 years ago their is a 98% chance my surname was Chisholm. This is why I believe I am a descendant of Duncan's.
Hello and welcome mccarpenter,
The Society web site has a limited set of information about Alexander at https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-war/battle-of-dunbar-prisoner-profiles/alexander-bow/
A lot more detail is given on this site https://alexanderbow.com/alexander/
As far as I know he is never explicitly said to be Scottish in contemporary records, but his land grant on the same day and adjacent to other known Scots strongly suggests it.
Hello. I recently discovered that Alexander Bow is my ancestor (b. 1605, d. Nov. 6, 1678 in Middleton, Middlesex Co., Connecticut, USA). I am looking for any information about him. All I know is he was born in Scotland (some sources say "possibly born in Scotland") and he may have been one of the SPOW.
I also have Forbes and Grant connections.
I am looking forward to discovering more here!
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