Re: Alexander Bow descendent --Barbados
Eleanor Hall
Attached is some information on the Scots going to Barbados. I don't think there is any listing of them by name. My ancestor was Ninian Beall, a SPOW who was sent to Barbados, then had his indenture bought and went to Maryland. Eleanor Hall
On Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 02:10:19 AM CST, Andrew Millard <a.r.millard@...> wrote:
Dear Nancy,
I’m not aware of any passenger lists except the John and Sara. For some reason that got copied into the Suffolk County register of deeds, but making lists, keeping them and enrolling them don’t seem to have been regular activities.
Best wishes Andrew -- Dr. Andrew Millard Associate Professor of Archaeology, and Designated Individual under the Human Tissue Act, Durham University, UK Email: A.R.Millard@... Personal page: https://www.dur.ac.uk/directory/profile/?id=160 Scottish Soldiers Project: https://www.dur.ac.uk/scottishsoldiers Dunbar 1650 MOOC: https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/battle-of-dunbar-1650
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On Behalf Of Nancy Magruder via groups.io
[EXTERNAL EMAIL] Andrew, I was curious to know if you are familiar with any ships that took SPOWs from England to America, via Barbados in 1651 after the battle of Worchester. My ancestor is Alexander MacGregor who was captured at the Battle of Worchester and sent to America via Barbados. I am familiar with the manifest of the John & Sara from 1650 Dunbar Battle but I have not been able to find any ship manifest naming SPOW for Worchester 1651. Any ideas?
Thank you, Nancy
Nancy Magruder Lovelaguna@...
On Tuesday, February 23, 2021, 12:42:27 AM PST, Andrew Millard <a.r.millard@...> wrote:
Hello and welcome mccarpenter,
The Society web site has a limited set of information about Alexander at https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-war/battle-of-dunbar-prisoner-profiles/alexander-bow/ A lot more detail is given on this site https://alexanderbow.com/alexander/ As far as I know he is never explicitly said to be Scottish in contemporary records, but his land grant on the same day and adjacent to other known Scots strongly suggests it.
Best wishes Andrew -- Dr. Andrew Millard Associate Professor of Archaeology, and Designated Individual under the Human Tissue Act, Durham University, UK Email: A.R.Millard@... Personal page: https://www.dur.ac.uk/directory/profile/?id=160 Scottish Soldiers Project: https://www.dur.ac.uk/scottishsoldiers Dunbar 1650 MOOC: https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/battle-of-dunbar-1650
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On Behalf Of mccarpenter via groups.io
[EXTERNAL EMAIL] Hello. I recently discovered that Alexander Bow is my ancestor (b. 1605, d. Nov. 6, 1678 in Middleton, Middlesex Co., Connecticut, USA).
I am looking for any information about him. All I know is he was born in Scotland (some sources say "possibly born in Scotland") and he may have been one of the SPOW.
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Re: Alexander Bow descendent
#Introductions
Andrew Millard
Dear Nancy,
I’m not aware of any passenger lists except the John and Sara. For some reason that got copied into the Suffolk County register of deeds, but making lists, keeping them and enrolling them don’t seem to have been regular activities.
Best wishes Andrew -- Dr. Andrew Millard Associate Professor of Archaeology, and Designated Individual under the Human Tissue Act, Durham University, UK Email: A.R.Millard@... Personal page: https://www.dur.ac.uk/directory/profile/?id=160 Scottish Soldiers Project: https://www.dur.ac.uk/scottishsoldiers Dunbar 1650 MOOC: https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/battle-of-dunbar-1650
From: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io <ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io>
On Behalf Of Nancy Magruder via groups.io
[EXTERNAL EMAIL] Andrew, I was curious to know if you are familiar with any ships that took SPOWs from England to America, via Barbados in 1651 after the battle of Worchester. My ancestor is Alexander MacGregor who was captured at the Battle of Worchester and sent to America via Barbados. I am familiar with the manifest of the John & Sara from 1650 Dunbar Battle but I have not been able to find any ship manifest naming SPOW for Worchester 1651. Any ideas?
Thank you, Nancy
Nancy Magruder Lovelaguna@...
On Tuesday, February 23, 2021, 12:42:27 AM PST, Andrew Millard <a.r.millard@...> wrote:
Hello and welcome mccarpenter,
The Society web site has a limited set of information about Alexander at https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-war/battle-of-dunbar-prisoner-profiles/alexander-bow/ A lot more detail is given on this site https://alexanderbow.com/alexander/ As far as I know he is never explicitly said to be Scottish in contemporary records, but his land grant on the same day and adjacent to other known Scots strongly suggests it.
Best wishes Andrew -- Dr. Andrew Millard Associate Professor of Archaeology, and Designated Individual under the Human Tissue Act, Durham University, UK Email: A.R.Millard@... Personal page: https://www.dur.ac.uk/directory/profile/?id=160 Scottish Soldiers Project: https://www.dur.ac.uk/scottishsoldiers Dunbar 1650 MOOC: https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/battle-of-dunbar-1650
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ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io <ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io>
On Behalf Of mccarpenter via groups.io
[EXTERNAL EMAIL] Hello. I recently discovered that Alexander Bow is my ancestor (b. 1605, d. Nov. 6, 1678 in Middleton, Middlesex Co., Connecticut, USA).
I am looking for any information about him. All I know is he was born in Scotland (some sources say "possibly born in Scotland") and he may have been one of the SPOW.
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Re: SPOW Duncan Chisholm
Paul Kate's
Also it says on the website that it is "possible" that Duncan Chisholm is a SPOW from Dunbar because he "appears quite late in 1667". but yet he actually appears
in court records in 1659 in Scarborough Maine where he is "fined for fighting fellow Scot John McKenney".
Can anyone tell me how to go about getting that changed to "probable"?
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Duncan Chisholm
Paul Kate's
Thanks again Roland. I am going to look into MH dna and also the Scottish Genelogical Society.
It would be incredible if after almost 400 years my Y DNA proved that Duncan Chisholm was Robert Roe's father. There are hundreds of Rowe descendants that have no idea their real name is Chisholm and that they are a descendant of a Scottish POW from the Battle of Dunbar.
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Re: Alexander Bow descendent
#Introductions
Mark Abernathy
I also heard our family member came through the Barbados to Jamestown, Robert Abernathy. I have a copy of his will near Jamestown.
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So far no one can find any documentation that supports this.
On Feb 23, 2021, at 14:37, Nancy Magruder via groups.io <lovelaguna@...> wrote:
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Re: Alexander Bow descendent
#Introductions
Nancy Magruder
Andrew, I was curious to know if you are familiar with any ships that took SPOWs from England to America, via Barbados in 1651 after the battle of Worchester. My ancestor is Alexander MacGregor who was captured at the Battle of Worchester and sent to America via Barbados. I am familiar with the manifest of the John & Sara from 1650 Dunbar Battle but I have not been able to find any ship manifest naming SPOW for Worchester 1651. Any ideas? Thank you, Nancy Nancy Magruder Lovelaguna@...
On Tuesday, February 23, 2021, 12:42:27 AM PST, Andrew Millard <a.r.millard@...> wrote:
Hello and welcome mccarpenter,
The Society web site has a limited set of information about Alexander at https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-war/battle-of-dunbar-prisoner-profiles/alexander-bow/ A lot more detail is given on this site https://alexanderbow.com/alexander/ As far as I know he is never explicitly said to be Scottish in contemporary records, but his land grant on the same day and adjacent to other known Scots strongly suggests it.
Best wishes Andrew -- Dr. Andrew Millard Associate Professor of Archaeology, and Designated Individual under the Human Tissue Act, Durham University, UK Email: A.R.Millard@... Personal page: https://www.dur.ac.uk/directory/profile/?id=160 Scottish Soldiers Project: https://www.dur.ac.uk/scottishsoldiers Dunbar 1650 MOOC: https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/battle-of-dunbar-1650
From: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io <ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io>
On Behalf Of mccarpenter via groups.io
[EXTERNAL EMAIL] Hello. I recently discovered that Alexander Bow is my ancestor (b. 1605, d. Nov. 6, 1678 in Middleton, Middlesex Co., Connecticut, USA). I am looking for any information about him. All I know is he was born in Scotland (some sources say
"possibly born in Scotland") and he may have been one of the SPOW.
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SPOW Duncan Chisholm
Paul Kate's
Hello everyone,
I was wondering if anyone could help me locate a male descendant of SPOW Duncan Chisholm that would be willing to join the Scotts Prisoners Y dna project. I am kit #887186. I can trace my paternal line back to a Robert Roe in born about 1659 in Salisbury Ma. Robert had a son with Mary Paine, Robert Rowe Jr who became an indentured servant for Capt. Joseph Swett. Familytreedna placed me in the Chisholm surname and said that at a GD of about 350-400 years ago their is a 98% chance my surname was Chisholm. This is why I believe I am a descendant of Duncan's.
Thanks for any help
Paul Kates
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Re: Alexander Bow descendent
#Introductions
Andrew Millard
Hello and welcome mccarpenter,
The Society web site has a limited set of information about Alexander at https://spows.org/battle-of-dunbar/battle-of-dunbar-prisoners-of-war/battle-of-dunbar-prisoner-profiles/alexander-bow/ A lot more detail is given on this site https://alexanderbow.com/alexander/ As far as I know he is never explicitly said to be Scottish in contemporary records, but his land grant on the same day and adjacent to other known Scots strongly suggests it.
Best wishes Andrew -- Dr. Andrew Millard Associate Professor of Archaeology, and Designated Individual under the Human Tissue Act, Durham University, UK Email: A.R.Millard@... Personal page: https://www.dur.ac.uk/directory/profile/?id=160 Scottish Soldiers Project: https://www.dur.ac.uk/scottishsoldiers Dunbar 1650 MOOC: https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/battle-of-dunbar-1650
From: ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io <ScottishPrisonersofWarSociety@groups.io>
On Behalf Of mccarpenter via groups.io
[EXTERNAL EMAIL] Hello. I recently discovered that Alexander Bow is my ancestor (b. 1605, d. Nov. 6, 1678 in Middleton, Middlesex Co., Connecticut, USA). I am looking for any information about him. All I know is he was born in Scotland (some sources say
"possibly born in Scotland") and he may have been one of the SPOW.
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Alexander Bow descendent
#Introductions
mccarpenter@...
Hello. I recently discovered that Alexander Bow is my ancestor (b. 1605, d. Nov. 6, 1678 in Middleton, Middlesex Co., Connecticut, USA). I am looking for any information about him. All I know is he was born in Scotland (some sources say "possibly born in Scotland") and he may have been one of the SPOW.
I also have Forbes and Grant connections. I am looking forward to discovering more here!
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Re: New paper from Durham Scottish Soldiers project
Nelda Gallerano
Merry Christmas Andrew! Thank you for forwarding this! I can’t wait to find a quiet moment and geek out on your new paper! Especially on the teeth! Hope you and your family are safe during these trying times!
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On Dec 22, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Doug Cahoon via groups.io <doug_cahoon@...> wrote:
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Re: New paper from Durham Scottish Soldiers project
Doug Cahoon
Thanks Andrew.
On Tuesday, December 22, 2020, 03:54:35 AM MST, Andrew Millard <a.r.millard@...> wrote:
I’m please to announce the latest paper from the Durham University Scottish Soldiers Project.
Scottish soldiers from the Battle of Dunbar 1650: A prosopographical approach to a skeletal assemblage https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0243369
This is a long paper, including some quite technical parts, covering the scientific analyses carried out on the skeletons found at Palace Green Durham in 2013. Here’s the abstract: After the Battle Dunbar between English and Scottish forces in 1650, captured Scottish soldiers were imprisoned in Durham and many hundreds died there within a few weeks. The partial skeletal remains of 28 of these men were discovered in 2013. Building on previous osteological work, here we report wide-ranging scientific studies of the remains to address the following questions: Did they have comparable diet, health and disease throughout their lives? Did they have common histories of movement (or lack of movement) during their childhoods? Can we create a collective biography of these men? Strontium and oxygen isotope analysis of tooth enamel investigated childhood movement. Carbon and nitrogen isotope analysis of incrementally sampled dentine addressed childhood diet and nutrition. Metaproteomic analysis of dental calculus investigated oral microbiomes and food residues; this was complemented by microscopic analysis of debris in calculus from ingested materials. Selected individuals were examined for dental microwear. The extent of hydroxylation of proline in collagen was examined as a potential biomarker for scurvy. An osteobiography for each man was created using the full range of data generated about him, and these were synthesised using an approach based on the historical method for a collective biography or prosopography. The childhood residences of the men were primarily within the Midland Valley of Scotland, though some spent parts of their childhood outside the British Isles. This is concordant with the known recruitment areas of the Scottish army in 1650. Their diets included oats, brassicas and milk but little seafood, as expected for lowland rather than highland diets of the period. Childhood periods of starvation or illness were almost ubiquitous, but not simultaneous, suggesting regionally variable food shortages in the 1620s and 1630s. It is likely there was widespread low-level scurvy, ameliorating in later years of life, which suggests historically unrecorded shortages of fruit and vegetables in the early 1640s. Almost all men were exposed to burnt plant matter, probably as inhaled soot, and this may relate to the high proportion of them with of sinusitis. Interpersonal violence causing skeletal trauma was rare. Based on commonalities in their osteobiographies, we argue that these men were drawn from the same stratum of society. This study is perhaps the most extensive to date of individuals from 17th century Scotland. Combined with a precise historical context it allows the lives of these men to be investigated and compared to the historical record with unprecedented precision. It illustrates the power of archaeological science methods to confirm, challenge and complement historical evidence.
Best wishes Andrew -- Dr. Andrew Millard Associate Professor of Archaeology, and Designated Individual under the Human Tissue Act, Durham University, UK Email: A.R.Millard@... Personal page: https://www.dur.ac.uk/archaeology/staff/?id=160 Scottish Soldiers Project: https://www.dur.ac.uk/scottishsoldiers Dunbar 1650 MOOC: https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/battle-of-dunbar-1650
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New paper from Durham Scottish Soldiers project
Andrew Millard
I’m please to announce the latest paper from the Durham University Scottish Soldiers Project.
Scottish soldiers from the Battle of Dunbar 1650: A prosopographical approach to a skeletal assemblage https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0243369
This is a long paper, including some quite technical parts, covering the scientific analyses carried out on the skeletons found at Palace Green Durham in 2013. Here’s the abstract: After the Battle Dunbar between English and Scottish forces in 1650, captured Scottish soldiers were imprisoned in Durham and many hundreds died there within a few weeks. The partial skeletal remains of 28 of these men were discovered in 2013. Building on previous osteological work, here we report wide-ranging scientific studies of the remains to address the following questions: Did they have comparable diet, health and disease throughout their lives? Did they have common histories of movement (or lack of movement) during their childhoods? Can we create a collective biography of these men? Strontium and oxygen isotope analysis of tooth enamel investigated childhood movement. Carbon and nitrogen isotope analysis of incrementally sampled dentine addressed childhood diet and nutrition. Metaproteomic analysis of dental calculus investigated oral microbiomes and food residues; this was complemented by microscopic analysis of debris in calculus from ingested materials. Selected individuals were examined for dental microwear. The extent of hydroxylation of proline in collagen was examined as a potential biomarker for scurvy. An osteobiography for each man was created using the full range of data generated about him, and these were synthesised using an approach based on the historical method for a collective biography or prosopography. The childhood residences of the men were primarily within the Midland Valley of Scotland, though some spent parts of their childhood outside the British Isles. This is concordant with the known recruitment areas of the Scottish army in 1650. Their diets included oats, brassicas and milk but little seafood, as expected for lowland rather than highland diets of the period. Childhood periods of starvation or illness were almost ubiquitous, but not simultaneous, suggesting regionally variable food shortages in the 1620s and 1630s. It is likely there was widespread low-level scurvy, ameliorating in later years of life, which suggests historically unrecorded shortages of fruit and vegetables in the early 1640s. Almost all men were exposed to burnt plant matter, probably as inhaled soot, and this may relate to the high proportion of them with of sinusitis. Interpersonal violence causing skeletal trauma was rare. Based on commonalities in their osteobiographies, we argue that these men were drawn from the same stratum of society. This study is perhaps the most extensive to date of individuals from 17th century Scotland. Combined with a precise historical context it allows the lives of these men to be investigated and compared to the historical record with unprecedented precision. It illustrates the power of archaeological science methods to confirm, challenge and complement historical evidence.
Best wishes Andrew -- Dr. Andrew Millard Associate Professor of Archaeology, and Designated Individual under the Human Tissue Act, Durham University, UK Email: A.R.Millard@... Personal page: https://www.dur.ac.uk/archaeology/staff/?id=160 Scottish Soldiers Project: https://www.dur.ac.uk/scottishsoldiers Dunbar 1650 MOOC: https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/battle-of-dunbar-1650
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Introduction
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PattieRNBSN@...
Hello,
It doesn’t look as though I have ever introduced myself here. I am Patricia MacBean-Puchino. I am a descendant of John Bean and Henry Magoon. I had thought I was also a descendant of John Magoon but I’m not so sure now. be well -- Cheers, P. Grace MacBean-Puchino
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Re: Introduction - Call Upon the Water
PattieRNBSN@...
Thanks Diane!--
Cheers, P. Grace MacBean-Puchino
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Re: Introduction - Call Upon the Water
NozemUK@...
Thank you Diane, indeed, had a look at the publisher's webpage on the novel . It is the same book !
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Call-Upon-the-Water/Stella-Tillyard/9781982120962
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Re: Introduction - Call Upon the Water
Diane Schroeder
I have a hard back copy of the book I was given for Christmas last year. When I looked at Amazon US there is a book by Stella Tillyard called The Great Level which appears to be the same book just with a different title. This happens between the US and UK publications some time. Diane
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Re: Introduction - Call Upon the Water
NozemUK@...
Thank you.for sharing. I have found this book on 'Amazon UK' , says not published until 8th December 2020. Did you get an advance copy? Sounds interesting.
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Re: Introduction - Call Upon the Water
Thanks for sharing!
On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 10:50 AM Diane Schroeder <dianerae45@...> wrote:
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Teresa (Hamilton/Pepper) Rust
Descendant of John Hamilton and John MagoonMy husband and children are descendants of Duncan Stewart
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Re: Introduction - Call Upon the Water
Jane Kelton
Thanks for the recommendation, Diane. Will look for it online now; it sounds interesting for learning more about the period and our ancestors' cohort. Jane Kelton
On Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 01:50:21 PM EDT, Diane Schroeder <dianerae45@...> wrote:
Welcome. I've been intending to share this for a while so you're question was timely. I recently finished Call Upon the Water by Stella Tillyard. Set in England and America in the seventeenth century, I was pleasantly surprised to find that a group of Scottish prisoners of war playing a role in the draining of the British wetlands that is central to the story. While none of the prisoners play a central role in the narrative, it was really interesting to see how our relatives in other other historic events. A main character who is not a Scottish prisoner is sent to the colonies as an indentured servant along with other prisoners. It is an interesting story and very well written. If you enjoy good fiction I recommend it. Regards
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Re: Introduction - Call Upon the Water
Diane Schroeder
Welcome. I've been intending to share this for a while so you're question was timely. I recently finished Call Upon the Water by Stella Tillyard. Set in England and America in the seventeenth century, I was pleasantly surprised to find that a group of Scottish prisoners of war playing a role in the draining of the British wetlands that is central to the story. While none of the prisoners play a central role in the narrative, it was really interesting to see how our relatives in other other historic events. A main character who is not a Scottish prisoner is sent to the colonies as an indentured servant along with other prisoners. It is an interesting story and very well written. If you enjoy good fiction I recommend it. Regards
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