#362Sabre #362Sabre


Larryjdavis193@...
 

We are looking for davit recommendations for a Sabre 362 with sugar scoop. What brand, installation recommendations, height and arm length, pictures?

Any information would be appreciated. 

Larry Davis
Acadia
1995 Sabre 362


Kevin Ford
 

Try Ocean Marine Systems. A Canadian company.

Kevin
Radiance
Sabre 38 mark II. Hull 156.




On Friday, September 25, 2020 Larryjdavis193 <SabreSailboat@groups.io> wrote:

We are looking for davit recommendations for a Sabre 362 with sugar scoop. What brand, installation recommendations, height and arm length, pictures?

Any information would be appreciated. 

Larry Davis
Acadia
1995 Sabre 362


Harry Keith
 

Our new boat came with a very elegant arch and davit combination.  It is made by a company in Ontario called Klacko, with excellent support by Doug at doug@...

It is a unique system that does not have long poles sticking out the back. Rather, it has a upside down U that pivots at the bottom of the arch.  In addition to essentially disappearing when the dinghy is not in the arch, it also significantly reduces the reverse transmission issue with davits. When the bar is fully out and horizontal, it is beyond the transom. As it lifts it slides in over the transom.

A friend had a set made for his Benneteau, and despite the fears of coordination challenges and shipping challenges by having someone make an arch from a thousand miles away, it came out very well for him. Doug has apparently mastered the art of fitting from a distance!

I will try and get pictures.

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 5:03 PM <Larryjdavis193@...> wrote:

We are looking for davit recommendations for a Sabre 362 with sugar scoop. What brand, installation recommendations, height and arm length, pictures?

Any information would be appreciated. 

Larry Davis
Acadia
1995 Sabre 362


Zachary Scott
 

Just looked at Klacko's website.   Super cool design!


Harry Keith
 

I found a couple pics.  Not many, but they sort of show it 



On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 7:33 AM Zachary Scott <zach0726@...> wrote:
Just looked at Klacko's website.   Super cool design!


Larryjdavis193@...
 

Will check Ocean Marine our.
Thanks


Larryjdavis193@...
 

Thanks for pictures. 

Has anyone have experience with garhauer or forespar davits?


Allison Lehman
 

Harry,
What stops the dinghy from bouncing around rubbing on the SS in rough water?

Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640








On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:53 AM, Harry Keith <sailor11767@...> wrote:

I found a couple pics.  Not many, but they sort of show it 



On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 7:33 AM Zachary Scott <zach0726@...> wrote:
Just looked at Klacko's website.   Super cool design!


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Michelle Bamberger, Elixir, '95 Sabre 362, #135
 

Larry,
We have Garhauer davits
(https://www.garhauermarine.com/transom-hardware-accessories/dinghy-davits-accessories.html;
DD 6-2) that have worked well for us on our 1995 Sabre 362 (Elixir).
They are made to order, and the height is 45 inches and the reach is
42 inches. I've enclosed a picture (semi-flexible solar panels mounted
on top).


Robert Oswald & Michelle Bamberger


But still try, for who knows what is possible.
Michael Faraday

`_/))_ ``_/)

~~~~~~~~


Robert Oswald, Sabre 362, Elixir
 

Larry,
We have Garhauer davits (https://www.garhauermarine.com/transom-hardware-accessories/dinghy-davits-accessories.html; DD 6-2) that have worked well for us on our 1995 Sabre 362 (Elixir). They are made to order, and the height is 45 inches and the reach is 42 inches. I've enclosed a picture (semi-flexible solar panels mounted on top).
Robert
Elixir

IMG_2034.jpg

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Department of Molecular Medicine
Cornell University
Ithaca, NY 14853


Harry Keith
 

Well, that's a good question.

*  First, we sail the Chesapeake (so far), so 3' waves qualify as "bit water" for us.  LOL.
*  Second, I sometimes pull it up till it just touches the arch (that makes it easier to see astern of us), but it isn't overly stable.  In heavier conditions, I pull it up much higher.  Once it hits the arch, it begins to tilt, perhaps as much as 20-30 degrees.  This pressure helps control it
*  Finally, I sometimes lash it to the arch.  This is an area I need to work harder on.  I need to find a way that really binds it in place, so it can't wiggle.


On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 11:10 AM Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Harry,
What stops the dinghy from bouncing around rubbing on the SS in rough water?

Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640








On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:53 AM, Harry Keith <sailor11767@...> wrote:

I found a couple pics.  Not many, but they sort of show it 



On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 7:33 AM Zachary Scott <zach0726@...> wrote:
Just looked at Klacko's website.   Super cool design!


<IMG_20200618_191559.jpg><IMG_20200618_191541.jpg><IMG_20200123_171250.jpg><IMG_20200702_193542.jpg><IMG_20200629_175729.jpg><IMG_20200625_092038.jpg>


Toby Hynes
 

Reading this, I wonder as a Sabre 426 owner....what’s up with arches  I had a simple Kato dingy lift  could always see behind the vessel.  240 watts above the Bimini in solar which was enough for two days without engine.  Lot less weight and money.  Loved their product.  Great engineering support  TOBY   Comocean 426

Http://sailblogs.com/member/comoceanadventure

On Sep 27, 2020, at 9:35 PM, Harry Keith <sailor11767@...> wrote:


Well, that's a good question.

*  First, we sail the Chesapeake (so far), so 3' waves qualify as "bit water" for us.  LOL.
*  Second, I sometimes pull it up till it just touches the arch (that makes it easier to see astern of us), but it isn't overly stable.  In heavier conditions, I pull it up much higher.  Once it hits the arch, it begins to tilt, perhaps as much as 20-30 degrees.  This pressure helps control it
*  Finally, I sometimes lash it to the arch.  This is an area I need to work harder on.  I need to find a way that really binds it in place, so it can't wiggle.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 11:10 AM Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Harry,
What stops the dinghy from bouncing around rubbing on the SS in rough water?

Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640


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On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:53 AM, Harry Keith <sailor11767@...> wrote:

I found a couple pics.  Not many, but they sort of show it 



On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 7:33 AM Zachary Scott <zach0726@...> wrote:
Just looked at Klacko's website.   Super cool design!


<IMG_20200618_191559.jpg><IMG_20200618_191541.jpg><IMG_20200123_171250.jpg><IMG_20200702_193542.jpg><IMG_20200629_175729.jpg><IMG_20200625_092038.jpg>


Harry Keith
 

Life is compromises.  An arch is ugly as sin, for sure.  We hate the look.  But we wouldn't trade it away (those Sagas we looked at that had arm style davits or nothing, had a $12K extra in our comparison spreadsheet to add one).  An arch, and davits, allow:

*  More solar.  Enough solar for two days is good if you are going two days (our fridge/freezer alone is close to 150 Ah/day).  Our 360W total is massively insufficient for a week -- I hope to replace the 180W on the arch with 340, should help a bit.
*  Having the dinghy below eye level is very good in congested waters.  However, we can lift it probably 2 feet above eye level (especially the outboard edge) which is probably an advantage in heavy/breaking seas.  Still, for an ocean crossing, it shouldn't be there -- but the higher it is, the worse it can handle
*  On our arch, we have Radar and a Wind gen.  Granted, I would love to have the Radar on the mast (to reduce shading on the solar), and I'm more than a little tempted to remove the wind gen (its pathetic output may not replace the solar it shades).  But if you want both of those back there, it is a plus (however, the PO had both back there before the arch was installed, so it can be done by using two vertical poles).
*  Also on our arch, we have antennas for a Sat Phone (two antennas -- Satellite and GPS), an Iridium Go, our primary GPS, our backup GPS, the GPS and VHF for the AIS, and a stern light (up high, so the dinghy doesn't hide it).  The Sat Phone is "abandoned in place" and I'll be removing those two.  Point is, that's a lot of junk up there.  To be honest, most is connected to the Radar mount, so it isn't directly on the Arch.

A buddy has the same brand arch on his Oceanis 45, and since his canvas came after the arch, he was able to use the arch as the back "bow" for the canvas -- less stuff, stronger/neater install.

Again, arches are ugly and we hate it.  But for a certain set of compromises, they do have purpose.  We also hate the huge fiberglass box mounted on the cabin top, but we kind of like the life raft that is stored in it.



On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 10:09 PM Toby Hynes via groups.io <Toby.hynes=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Reading this, I wonder as a Sabre 426 owner....what’s up with arches  I had a simple Kato dingy lift  could always see behind the vessel.  240 watts above the Bimini in solar which was enough for two days without engine.  Lot less weight and money.  Loved their product.  Great engineering support  TOBY   Comocean 426


On Sep 27, 2020, at 9:35 PM, Harry Keith <sailor11767@...> wrote:


Well, that's a good question.

*  First, we sail the Chesapeake (so far), so 3' waves qualify as "bit water" for us.  LOL.
*  Second, I sometimes pull it up till it just touches the arch (that makes it easier to see astern of us), but it isn't overly stable.  In heavier conditions, I pull it up much higher.  Once it hits the arch, it begins to tilt, perhaps as much as 20-30 degrees.  This pressure helps control it
*  Finally, I sometimes lash it to the arch.  This is an area I need to work harder on.  I need to find a way that really binds it in place, so it can't wiggle.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 11:10 AM Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Harry,
What stops the dinghy from bouncing around rubbing on the SS in rough water?

Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640


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On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:53 AM, Harry Keith <sailor11767@...> wrote:

I found a couple pics.  Not many, but they sort of show it 



On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 7:33 AM Zachary Scott <zach0726@...> wrote:
Just looked at Klacko's website.   Super cool design!


<IMG_20200618_191559.jpg><IMG_20200618_191541.jpg><IMG_20200123_171250.jpg><IMG_20200702_193542.jpg><IMG_20200629_175729.jpg><IMG_20200625_092038.jpg>


Larryjdavis193@...
 

Hi Robert and Michelle,

A picture is worth a thousand words. Ours would be a little different since we do not have the split back stay. Did you have to remove the CNG locker to secure the bolts? If yes was it difficult?


Thanks
Larry
Acadia
1995 Sabre 362


Jim Starkey
 

FYI: Modern GPSes and GPS antennas (for AIS) do not need to be mounted externally.  Under the side deck to keep them dry and the cable runs short and simple is just fine.  The days of stern rails looking like mushroom farms are past.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:35 AM Harry Keith <sailor11767@...> wrote:
Life is compromises.  An arch is ugly as sin, for sure.  We hate the look.  But we wouldn't trade it away (those Sagas we looked at that had arm style davits or nothing, had a $12K extra in our comparison spreadsheet to add one).  An arch, and davits, allow:

*  More solar.  Enough solar for two days is good if you are going two days

(our fridge/freezer alone is close to 150 Ah/day).  Our 360W total is massively insufficient for a week -- I hope to replace the 180W on the arch with 340, should help a bit.
*  Having the dinghy below eye level is very good in congested waters.  However, we can lift it probably 2 feet above eye level (especially the outboard edge) which is probably an advantage in heavy/breaking seas.  Still, for an ocean crossing, it shouldn't be there -- but the higher it is, the worse it can handle
*  On our arch, we have Radar and a Wind gen.  Granted, I would love to have the Radar on the mast (to reduce shading on the solar), and I'm more than a little tempted to remove the wind gen (its pathetic output may not replace the solar it shades).  But if you want both of those back there, it is a plus (however, the PO had both back there before the arch was installed, so it can be done by using two vertical poles).
*  Also on our arch, we have antennas for a Sat Phone (two antennas -- Satellite and GPS), an Iridium Go, our primary GPS, our backup GPS, the GPS and VHF for the AIS, and a stern light (up high, so the dinghy doesn't hide it).  The Sat Phone is "abandoned in place" and I'll be removing those two.  Point is, that's a lot of junk up there.  To be honest, most is connected to the Radar mount, so it isn't directly on the Arch.

A buddy has the same brand arch on his Oceanis 45, and since his canvas came after the arch, he was able to use the arch as the back "bow" for the canvas -- less stuff, stronger/neater install.

Again, arches are ugly and we hate it.  But for a certain set of compromises, they do have purpose.  We also hate the huge fiberglass box mounted on the cabin top, but we kind of like the life raft that is stored in it.



On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 10:09 PM Toby Hynes via groups.io <Toby.hynes=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Reading this, I wonder as a Sabre 426 owner....what’s up with arches  I had a simple Kato dingy lift  could always see behind the vessel.  240 watts above the Bimini in solar which was enough for two days without engine.  Lot less weight and money.  Loved their product.  Great engineering support  TOBY   Comocean 426


On Sep 27, 2020, at 9:35 PM, Harry Keith <sailor11767@...> wrote:


Well, that's a good question.

*  First, we sail the Chesapeake (so far), so 3' waves qualify as "bit water" for us.  LOL.
*  Second, I sometimes pull it up till it just touches the arch (that makes it easier to see astern of us), but it isn't overly stable.  In heavier conditions, I pull it up much higher.  Once it hits the arch, it begins to tilt, perhaps as much as 20-30 degrees.  This pressure helps control it
*  Finally, I sometimes lash it to the arch.  This is an area I need to work harder on.  I need to find a way that really binds it in place, so it can't wiggle.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 11:10 AM Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Harry,
What stops the dinghy from bouncing around rubbing on the SS in rough water?



Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640


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On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:53 AM, Harry Keith <sailor11767@...> wrote:

I found a couple pics.  Not many, but they sort of show it 



On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 7:33 AM Zachary Scott <zach0726@...> wrote:
Just looked at Klacko's website.   Super cool design!





















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--
Jim Starkey


Allison Lehman
 

Hate to say this Mr Starkey but I couldn't agree more!  When we bought Kingfisher she had 3 antennas mounted on the (already small) stern pushpit rail.  1 antenna for the archaic Raymarine Plotter, 1 for Sirius radio/weather and one for AIS.  Now we have 1 puck tucked up into the open space  between the headliner and the underside of the deck and is accessed via the aft lazarette.   We dumped the Sirius as the weather was crap and we have plenty of good music on our IPOD.  The Zeus 3 has an internal antenna So we have reclaimed our aft rail!



Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640








On Sep 28, 2020, at 8:00 AM, Jim Starkey <Jim@...> wrote:

FYI: Modern GPSes and GPS antennas (for AIS) do not need to be mounted externally.  Under the side deck to keep them dry and the cable runs short and simple is just fine.  The days of stern rails looking like mushroom farms are past.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:35 AM Harry Keith <sailor11767@...> wrote:
Life is compromises.  An arch is ugly as sin, for sure.  We hate the look.  But we wouldn't trade it away (those Sagas we looked at that had arm style davits or nothing, had a $12K extra in our comparison spreadsheet to add one).  An arch, and davits, allow:

*  More solar.  Enough solar for two days is good if you are going two days

(our fridge/freezer alone is close to 150 Ah/day).  Our 360W total is massively insufficient for a week -- I hope to replace the 180W on the arch with 340, should help a bit.
*  Having the dinghy below eye level is very good in congested waters.  However, we can lift it probably 2 feet above eye level (especially the outboard edge) which is probably an advantage in heavy/breaking seas.  Still, for an ocean crossing, it shouldn't be there -- but the higher it is, the worse it can handle
*  On our arch, we have Radar and a Wind gen.  Granted, I would love to have the Radar on the mast (to reduce shading on the solar), and I'm more than a little tempted to remove the wind gen (its pathetic output may not replace the solar it shades).  But if you want both of those back there, it is a plus (however, the PO had both back there before the arch was installed, so it can be done by using two vertical poles).
*  Also on our arch, we have antennas for a Sat Phone (two antennas -- Satellite and GPS), an Iridium Go, our primary GPS, our backup GPS, the GPS and VHF for the AIS, and a stern light (up high, so the dinghy doesn't hide it).  The Sat Phone is "abandoned in place" and I'll be removing those two.  Point is, that's a lot of junk up there.  To be honest, most is connected to the Radar mount, so it isn't directly on the Arch.

A buddy has the same brand arch on his Oceanis 45, and since his canvas came after the arch, he was able to use the arch as the back "bow" for the canvas -- less stuff, stronger/neater install.

Again, arches are ugly and we hate it.  But for a certain set of compromises, they do have purpose.  We also hate the huge fiberglass box mounted on the cabin top, but we kind of like the life raft that is stored in it.



On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 10:09 PM Toby Hynes via groups.io <Toby.hynes=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Reading this, I wonder as a Sabre 426 owner....what’s up with arches  I had a simple Kato dingy lift  could always see behind the vessel.  240 watts above the Bimini in solar which was enough for two days without engine.  Lot less weight and money.  Loved their product.  Great engineering support  TOBY   Comocean 426


On Sep 27, 2020, at 9:35 PM, Harry Keith <sailor11767@...> wrote:


Well, that's a good question.

*  First, we sail the Chesapeake (so far), so 3' waves qualify as "bit water" for us.  LOL.
*  Second, I sometimes pull it up till it just touches the arch (that makes it easier to see astern of us), but it isn't overly stable.  In heavier conditions, I pull it up much higher.  Once it hits the arch, it begins to tilt, perhaps as much as 20-30 degrees.  This pressure helps control it
*  Finally, I sometimes lash it to the arch.  This is an area I need to work harder on.  I need to find a way that really binds it in place, so it can't wiggle.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 11:10 AM Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Harry,
What stops the dinghy from bouncing around rubbing on the SS in rough water?



Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
allison@...
Cell: 510.912.5800
Fax: 510.860.4640


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On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:53 AM, Harry Keith <sailor11767@...> wrote:

I found a couple pics.  Not many, but they sort of show it 



On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 7:33 AM Zachary Scott <zach0726@...> wrote:
Just looked at Klacko's website.   Super cool design!





















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--
Jim Starkey


Michelle Bamberger
 

Larry,
Yes, the locker has to come off, and securing the bolts is awkward. If you are comfortable working while standing on your head and using all four of your hands, you should be fine.😉

We have a propane locker that vents below. Since it was sealed with 4200 or something similar, it took a while to convince it to come off but it was not really difficult. The only issue was putting the hoses for the vent back in when we replaced it. Since it was a bit of a job getting the locker off, we used new hoses. 

Overall, it was not an overly difficult job and we are really pleased with the results.
Good Luck,
Robert & MIchelle

--
Michelle Bamberger, MS, DVM
   


Larryjdavis193@...
 

Thanks for your comments, it gives me something to look forward to. 

Larry