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Re: 4 snowy plovers + dogs

Standley, William (Bill) G
 

As many others on this list, I am concerned about the impacts of dogs and other human-related disturbance to coastal wildlife, and through my job, I have been privileged to be part of a state-wide collaboration of individuals representing state and federal agencies, non-governmental organizations, and local businesses, called the Respect Wildlife Campaign (https://respect-wildlife.org/). Our goals are to:

- Raise awareness of the impact disturbance can have on wildlife;
- Positively influence human behavior near wildlife;
- Encourage and spread the word;
- Engage existing and foster new partnerships, and
- Unify existing wildlife protection communication and education.

This past year the Respect Wildlife Campaign has been successful in obtaining startup funding through the California Marine Protected Area Outreach and Education Small Grants Program to develop a social media campaign designed to inform and change human behavior in coastal environments, resulting in reduced human disturbance, and there are plans for a state-wide rollout. If anyone would like to get involved, please check out the web site and join the team!

Bill

Bill Standley
Natural Resource Specialist
California Coastal National Monument
USDI Bureau of Land Management
Central Coast Field Office
940 2nd Avenue
Marina, California 93933-6009
831-582-2220; wstandley@blm.gov
CCNM Website: www.blm.gov/ccnm


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From: SFBirds@groups.io <SFBirds@groups.io> on behalf of Alan Hopkins via groups.io <alanhopkins=att.net@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 11:10 AM
To: Siobhan Ruck; Andrew R
Cc: greylag64@gmail.com; Chrisand Lorelei; Pat Greene; SF Birds; Joel Perlstein; Dominik Mosur; Dario Taraborelli; margstan@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [SFBirds] 4 snowy plovers + dogs

Okay my two cents: I have been dealing with this issue since the 90s. To be quite frank the officials don't want to deal with the issue because they are terrified of a very strong pet lobby. This was escalated when Richard Avenzino was president of the SF SPCA, think of Trump and you will get a very good comparison to Avenzino. At one of many meetings I went to Avenzino spoke to a group of mostly off leash folks and I guess he felt like he could speak his mind. What he said was full of the lexicon of the Wise Use Movement, he implied that big government was taking over and sounded as though black helicopters were about to swoop down on dog owners and their rights were being stolen. He is gone but a lot of his thoughts are still adhered to by dog walkers. "This is a City and threatened and endangered species don't belong here" is a common theme. Next time you are out look at all the dog walkers as voters and and people who will raise a stink against any government person who wishes to enforce the leash law you'll see what the problem is.

BTW, The other day my friend Peter, a long time dog owner, said that he no longer lets his dog run wild on the beach after I explained the issue a few years ago.

Alan S. Hopkins
San Francisco, CA
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On Wednesday, February 10, 2021, 10:04:03 AM PST, Andrew R <reckersandrew@gmail.com> wrote:


We could definitely use more signs and fencing. The fencing, apart from the small chain link gate, is symbolic cable. In many places it simply rests on the sand.

One issue I have with the signs is comprehensibility. The sign on the fence itself, pictured below, says "Pets must be leashed all year except May 15 to July 1." The other, larger interpretive sign about 10 ft away (not pictured, behind me when I took the photo) explains the snowy plover situation, but then says something along the lines of "Snowy Plover season is from July 1 to May 15, and pets must be leashed during this time"

Perhaps it is my own denseness, but I found it tricky to immediately grasp which dates were allowed and which were not, due to the two different phrasings the signs use. If we must give dog owners 6 weeks of leash free time, it seems best to make it abundantly clear with the same phrasing repeated multiple times.

Of course, MUCH more clear would be signs simply saying dogs must be on leash in this area. Then you don't have to read the sentences thrice to determine if you happen to be in the 6 week grace period or not.



On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 9:34 AM Siobhan Ruck <ms.siobhan.ruck@gmail.com<mailto:ms.siobhan.ruck@gmail.com>> wrote:
During a previous debate over dogs in the parks, I wrote a Letter to the Editor (which the Chronicle published) saying simply: Wild animals are not dog toys.

That’s the message we need to convey.

Siobhan Ruck

On Feb 10, 2021, at 8:52 AM, greylag64@gmail.com<mailto:greylag64@gmail.com> wrote:

I agree with Chrisand Lorelei. I have a friend who complained on her blog about the birds on Ocean Beach not allowing her dogs to have any fun for 9 months of the year. She thought the birds should just go elsewhere.
After I explained things to her, she said "I didn't know".
So the answer is education, one on one. We have to be willing to engage. It is hard to do when the reaction is negative.
I haven't been to Crissy Field in a while. Are there signs? Many places use signs painted by children. Is the fencing just that symbolic cable?
Maybe we need to give Jackie Speier a hands-on.

Laurie Graham
South San Francisco

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021, 18:57 Chrisand Lorelei <chrisandlorelei@hotmail.com<mailto:chrisandlorelei@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I've had bad experiences with dog people, and think the most successful attempts have been to say that THESE birds are migrating birds, and if they get chased, they'll starve. Dog people don't mean to be cruel: they just know it's natural for dogs to chase birds. And they don't know more, and don't like to get scolded and threatened with not being able to take their dogs out for necessary excercise. Some, when they hear about birds trying to migrate and survive, do get a clue, and understand that letting their dogs run should not include letting them chase birds. Rules only work when people understand that the rules make sense. Best wishes for explaining, maybe one person at a time.

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From: SFBirds@groups.io<mailto:SFBirds@groups.io> <SFBirds@groups.io<mailto:SFBirds@groups.io>> on behalf of Pat Greene <pjgreene@sonic.net<mailto:pjgreene@sonic.net>>
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 12:59 PM
To: SF Birds <SFBirds@groups.io<mailto:SFBirds@groups.io>>
Cc: Joel Perlstein <joelperl@earthlink.net<mailto:joelperl@earthlink.net>>; Dominik Mosur <polskatata@yahoo.com<mailto:polskatata@yahoo.com>>; Dario Taraborelli <dario.taraborelli@gmail.com<mailto:dario.taraborelli@gmail.com>>; margstan@sbcglobal.net<mailto:margstan@sbcglobal.net> <margstan@sbcglobal.net<mailto:margstan@sbcglobal.net>>
Subject: Re: [SFBirds] 4 snowy plovers

The dog lobby is so well organized and well funded (including Jackie Speier who was able to threaten GGNRA funding) that they are able to drive the ‘rules’, —and then break whatever very weak rules exist.
Pat Greene


On Feb 6, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Dominik Mosur via groups.io<https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgroups.io%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cwstandley%40blm.gov%7C8e49566cf9844742aa7b08d8cdf7a4cf%7C0693b5ba4b184d7b9341f32f400a5494%7C0%7C0%7C637485810806257925%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=wTYi3uEOhVDrQKn7D6TbxUGdq%2BV0jRu7xgPUMhC4Urc%3D&reserved=0> <polskatata=yahoo.com@groups.io<mailto:yahoo.com@groups.io>> wrote:

SFBirders have been wondering the same for a couple of decades now.


On Feb 6, 2021, at 08:57, Dario Taraborelli <dario.taraborelli@gmail.com<mailto:dario.taraborelli@gmail.com>> wrote:


I’d love to know too. Every time I walk through the protected area on a sunny day I see 4-5 unleashed dogs on average. I politely tell their owners, and most reluctantly comply, but that lasts 15 minutes max.

On Feb 5, 2021, at 21:55, Joel Perlstein <joelperl@earthlink.net<mailto:joelperl@earthlink.net>> wrote:


Thanks for the info. I went on Thursday and saw two snowy plovers and many unleashed dogs.

I asked one of the dog owners to leash their dog, but they did not do so.


Is there anything we can do to get the National Park Service to enforce its dog rules in the snowy plover protection areas, or to get them to just prohibit dogs in those areas?
--
Joel Perlstein
San Francisco


Re: 4 snowy plovers + dogs

Alan Hopkins
 

Okay my two cents: I have been dealing with this issue since the 90s. To be quite frank the officials don't want to deal with the issue because they are terrified of a very strong pet lobby. This was escalated when Richard Avenzino was president of the SF SPCA, think of Trump and you will get a very good comparison to Avenzino. At one of many meetings I went to Avenzino spoke to a group of mostly off leash folks and I guess he felt like he could speak his mind. What he said was full of the lexicon of the Wise Use Movement, he implied that big government was taking over and sounded as though black helicopters were about to swoop down on dog owners and their rights were being stolen. He is gone but a lot of his thoughts are still adhered to by dog walkers. "This is a City and threatened and endangered species don't belong here" is a common theme. Next time you are out look at all the dog walkers as voters and and people who will raise a stink against any government person who wishes to enforce the leash law you'll see what the problem is. 

BTW, The other day my friend Peter, a long time dog owner, said that he no longer lets his dog run wild on the beach after I explained the issue a few years ago. 

Alan S. Hopkins
San Francisco, CA



On Wednesday, February 10, 2021, 10:04:03 AM PST, Andrew R <reckersandrew@...> wrote:


We could definitely use more signs and fencing. The fencing, apart from the small chain link gate, is symbolic cable. In many places it simply rests on the sand.

One issue I have with the signs is comprehensibility. The sign on the fence itself, pictured below, says "Pets must be leashed all year except May 15 to July 1." The other, larger interpretive sign about 10 ft away (not pictured, behind me when I took the photo) explains the snowy plover situation, but then says something along the lines of "Snowy Plover season is from July 1 to May 15, and pets must be leashed during this time"

Perhaps it is my own denseness, but I found it tricky to immediately grasp which dates were allowed and which were not, due to the two different phrasings the signs use. If we must give dog owners 6 weeks of leash free time, it seems best to make it abundantly clear with the same phrasing repeated multiple times.

Of course, MUCH more clear would be signs simply saying dogs must be on leash in this area. Then you don't have to read the sentences thrice to determine if you happen to be in the 6 week grace period or not.



On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 9:34 AM Siobhan Ruck <ms.siobhan.ruck@...> wrote:
During a previous debate over dogs in the parks, I wrote a Letter to the Editor (which the Chronicle published) saying simply:  Wild animals are not dog toys.  

That’s the message we need to convey.

Siobhan Ruck

On Feb 10, 2021, at 8:52 AM, greylag64@... wrote:

I agree with Chrisand Lorelei. I have a friend who complained on her blog about the birds on Ocean Beach not allowing her dogs to have any fun for 9 months of the year. She thought the birds should just go elsewhere.
After I explained things to her, she said "I didn't know".
So the answer is education, one on one. We have to be willing to engage. It is hard to do when the reaction is negative.
I haven't been to Crissy Field in a while. Are there signs? Many places use signs painted by children. Is the fencing just that symbolic cable? 
Maybe we need to give Jackie Speier a hands-on.

Laurie Graham 
South San Francisco 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021, 18:57 Chrisand Lorelei <chrisandlorelei@...> wrote:
I've had bad experiences with dog people, and think the most successful attempts have been to say that THESE birds are migrating birds, and if they get chased, they'll starve. Dog people don't mean to be cruel: they just know it's natural for dogs to chase birds. And they don't know more, and don't like to get scolded and threatened with not being able to take their dogs out for necessary excercise. Some, when they hear about birds trying to migrate and survive, do get a clue, and understand that letting their dogs run should not include letting them chase birds. Rules only work when people understand that the rules make sense. Best wishes for explaining, maybe one person at a time.


From: SFBirds@groups.io <SFBirds@groups.io> on behalf of Pat Greene <pjgreene@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 12:59 PM
To: SF Birds <SFBirds@groups.io>
Cc: Joel Perlstein <joelperl@...>; Dominik Mosur <polskatata@...>; Dario Taraborelli <dario.taraborelli@...>; margstan@... <margstan@...>
Subject: Re: [SFBirds] 4 snowy plovers
 
The dog lobby is so well organized and well funded (including Jackie Speier who was able to threaten GGNRA funding) that they are able to drive the ‘rules’, —and then break whatever very weak rules exist.
Pat Greene


> On Feb 6, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Dominik Mosur via groups.io <polskatata=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> SFBirders have been wondering the same for a couple of decades now.
>
>
>> On Feb 6, 2021, at 08:57, Dario Taraborelli <dario.taraborelli@...> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I’d love to know too. Every time I walk through the protected area on a sunny day I see 4-5 unleashed dogs on average. I politely tell their owners, and most reluctantly comply, but that lasts 15 minutes max.
>>
>>> On Feb 5, 2021, at 21:55, Joel Perlstein <joelperl@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the info. I went on Thursday and saw two snowy plovers and many unleashed dogs.
>>>
>>> I asked one of the dog owners to leash their dog, but they did not do so.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there anything we can do to get the National Park Service  to enforce its dog rules in the snowy plover protection areas, or to get them to just prohibit dogs in those areas?
>>> --
>>> Joel Perlstein
>>> San Francisco
>>>
>










Re: 4 snowy plovers + dogs

Andrew R <reckersandrew@...>
 

We could definitely use more signs and fencing. The fencing, apart from the small chain link gate, is symbolic cable. In many places it simply rests on the sand.

One issue I have with the signs is comprehensibility. The sign on the fence itself, pictured below, says "Pets must be leashed all year except May 15 to July 1." The other, larger interpretive sign about 10 ft away (not pictured, behind me when I took the photo) explains the snowy plover situation, but then says something along the lines of "Snowy Plover season is from July 1 to May 15, and pets must be leashed during this time"

Perhaps it is my own denseness, but I found it tricky to immediately grasp which dates were allowed and which were not, due to the two different phrasings the signs use. If we must give dog owners 6 weeks of leash free time, it seems best to make it abundantly clear with the same phrasing repeated multiple times.

Of course, MUCH more clear would be signs simply saying dogs must be on leash in this area. Then you don't have to read the sentences thrice to determine if you happen to be in the 6 week grace period or not.



On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 9:34 AM Siobhan Ruck <ms.siobhan.ruck@...> wrote:
During a previous debate over dogs in the parks, I wrote a Letter to the Editor (which the Chronicle published) saying simply:  Wild animals are not dog toys.  

That’s the message we need to convey.

Siobhan Ruck

On Feb 10, 2021, at 8:52 AM, greylag64@... wrote:

I agree with Chrisand Lorelei. I have a friend who complained on her blog about the birds on Ocean Beach not allowing her dogs to have any fun for 9 months of the year. She thought the birds should just go elsewhere.
After I explained things to her, she said "I didn't know".
So the answer is education, one on one. We have to be willing to engage. It is hard to do when the reaction is negative.
I haven't been to Crissy Field in a while. Are there signs? Many places use signs painted by children. Is the fencing just that symbolic cable? 
Maybe we need to give Jackie Speier a hands-on.

Laurie Graham 
South San Francisco 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021, 18:57 Chrisand Lorelei <chrisandlorelei@...> wrote:
I've had bad experiences with dog people, and think the most successful attempts have been to say that THESE birds are migrating birds, and if they get chased, they'll starve. Dog people don't mean to be cruel: they just know it's natural for dogs to chase birds. And they don't know more, and don't like to get scolded and threatened with not being able to take their dogs out for necessary excercise. Some, when they hear about birds trying to migrate and survive, do get a clue, and understand that letting their dogs run should not include letting them chase birds. Rules only work when people understand that the rules make sense. Best wishes for explaining, maybe one person at a time.


From: SFBirds@groups.io <SFBirds@groups.io> on behalf of Pat Greene <pjgreene@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 12:59 PM
To: SF Birds <SFBirds@groups.io>
Cc: Joel Perlstein <joelperl@...>; Dominik Mosur <polskatata@...>; Dario Taraborelli <dario.taraborelli@...>; margstan@... <margstan@...>
Subject: Re: [SFBirds] 4 snowy plovers
 
The dog lobby is so well organized and well funded (including Jackie Speier who was able to threaten GGNRA funding) that they are able to drive the ‘rules’, —and then break whatever very weak rules exist.
Pat Greene


> On Feb 6, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Dominik Mosur via groups.io <polskatata=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> SFBirders have been wondering the same for a couple of decades now.
>
>
>> On Feb 6, 2021, at 08:57, Dario Taraborelli <dario.taraborelli@...> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I’d love to know too. Every time I walk through the protected area on a sunny day I see 4-5 unleashed dogs on average. I politely tell their owners, and most reluctantly comply, but that lasts 15 minutes max.
>>
>>> On Feb 5, 2021, at 21:55, Joel Perlstein <joelperl@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the info. I went on Thursday and saw two snowy plovers and many unleashed dogs.
>>>
>>> I asked one of the dog owners to leash their dog, but they did not do so.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there anything we can do to get the National Park Service  to enforce its dog rules in the snowy plover protection areas, or to get them to just prohibit dogs in those areas?
>>> --
>>> Joel Perlstein
>>> San Francisco
>>>
>










Re: 4 snowy plovers + dogs

Siobhan Ruck
 

During a previous debate over dogs in the parks, I wrote a Letter to the Editor (which the Chronicle published) saying simply:  Wild animals are not dog toys.  

That’s the message we need to convey.

Siobhan Ruck

On Feb 10, 2021, at 8:52 AM, greylag64@... wrote:

I agree with Chrisand Lorelei. I have a friend who complained on her blog about the birds on Ocean Beach not allowing her dogs to have any fun for 9 months of the year. She thought the birds should just go elsewhere.
After I explained things to her, she said "I didn't know".
So the answer is education, one on one. We have to be willing to engage. It is hard to do when the reaction is negative.
I haven't been to Crissy Field in a while. Are there signs? Many places use signs painted by children. Is the fencing just that symbolic cable? 
Maybe we need to give Jackie Speier a hands-on.

Laurie Graham 
South San Francisco 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021, 18:57 Chrisand Lorelei <chrisandlorelei@...> wrote:
I've had bad experiences with dog people, and think the most successful attempts have been to say that THESE birds are migrating birds, and if they get chased, they'll starve. Dog people don't mean to be cruel: they just know it's natural for dogs to chase birds. And they don't know more, and don't like to get scolded and threatened with not being able to take their dogs out for necessary excercise. Some, when they hear about birds trying to migrate and survive, do get a clue, and understand that letting their dogs run should not include letting them chase birds. Rules only work when people understand that the rules make sense. Best wishes for explaining, maybe one person at a time.


From: SFBirds@groups.io <SFBirds@groups.io> on behalf of Pat Greene <pjgreene@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 12:59 PM
To: SF Birds <SFBirds@groups.io>
Cc: Joel Perlstein <joelperl@...>; Dominik Mosur <polskatata@...>; Dario Taraborelli <dario.taraborelli@...>; margstan@... <margstan@...>
Subject: Re: [SFBirds] 4 snowy plovers
 
The dog lobby is so well organized and well funded (including Jackie Speier who was able to threaten GGNRA funding) that they are able to drive the ‘rules’, —and then break whatever very weak rules exist.
Pat Greene


> On Feb 6, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Dominik Mosur via groups.io <polskatata=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> SFBirders have been wondering the same for a couple of decades now.
>
>
>> On Feb 6, 2021, at 08:57, Dario Taraborelli <dario.taraborelli@...> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I’d love to know too. Every time I walk through the protected area on a sunny day I see 4-5 unleashed dogs on average. I politely tell their owners, and most reluctantly comply, but that lasts 15 minutes max.
>>
>>> On Feb 5, 2021, at 21:55, Joel Perlstein <joelperl@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the info. I went on Thursday and saw two snowy plovers and many unleashed dogs.
>>>
>>> I asked one of the dog owners to leash their dog, but they did not do so.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there anything we can do to get the National Park Service  to enforce its dog rules in the snowy plover protection areas, or to get them to just prohibit dogs in those areas?
>>> --
>>> Joel Perlstein
>>> San Francisco
>>>
>










Re: 4 snowy plovers

greylag64@...
 

I agree with Chrisand Lorelei. I have a friend who complained on her blog about the birds on Ocean Beach not allowing her dogs to have any fun for 9 months of the year. She thought the birds should just go elsewhere.
After I explained things to her, she said "I didn't know".
So the answer is education, one on one. We have to be willing to engage. It is hard to do when the reaction is negative.
I haven't been to Crissy Field in a while. Are there signs? Many places use signs painted by children. Is the fencing just that symbolic cable? 
Maybe we need to give Jackie Speier a hands-on.

Laurie Graham 
South San Francisco 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021, 18:57 Chrisand Lorelei <chrisandlorelei@...> wrote:
I've had bad experiences with dog people, and think the most successful attempts have been to say that THESE birds are migrating birds, and if they get chased, they'll starve. Dog people don't mean to be cruel: they just know it's natural for dogs to chase birds. And they don't know more, and don't like to get scolded and threatened with not being able to take their dogs out for necessary excercise. Some, when they hear about birds trying to migrate and survive, do get a clue, and understand that letting their dogs run should not include letting them chase birds. Rules only work when people understand that the rules make sense. Best wishes for explaining, maybe one person at a time.


From: SFBirds@groups.io <SFBirds@groups.io> on behalf of Pat Greene <pjgreene@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 12:59 PM
To: SF Birds <SFBirds@groups.io>
Cc: Joel Perlstein <joelperl@...>; Dominik Mosur <polskatata@...>; Dario Taraborelli <dario.taraborelli@...>; margstan@... <margstan@...>
Subject: Re: [SFBirds] 4 snowy plovers
 
The dog lobby is so well organized and well funded (including Jackie Speier who was able to threaten GGNRA funding) that they are able to drive the ‘rules’, —and then break whatever very weak rules exist.
Pat Greene


> On Feb 6, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Dominik Mosur via groups.io <polskatata=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
>
> SFBirders have been wondering the same for a couple of decades now.
>
>
>> On Feb 6, 2021, at 08:57, Dario Taraborelli <dario.taraborelli@...> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I’d love to know too. Every time I walk through the protected area on a sunny day I see 4-5 unleashed dogs on average. I politely tell their owners, and most reluctantly comply, but that lasts 15 minutes max.
>>
>>> On Feb 5, 2021, at 21:55, Joel Perlstein <joelperl@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the info. I went on Thursday and saw two snowy plovers and many unleashed dogs.
>>>
>>> I asked one of the dog owners to leash their dog, but they did not do so.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there anything we can do to get the National Park Service  to enforce its dog rules in the snowy plover protection areas, or to get them to just prohibit dogs in those areas?
>>> --
>>> Joel Perlstein
>>> San Francisco
>>>
>







Re: 4 snowy plovers

Chrisand Lorelei
 

I've had bad experiences with dog people, and think the most successful attempts have been to say that THESE birds are migrating birds, and if they get chased, they'll starve. Dog people don't mean to be cruel: they just know it's natural for dogs to chase birds. And they don't know more, and don't like to get scolded and threatened with not being able to take their dogs out for necessary excercise. Some, when they hear about birds trying to migrate and survive, do get a clue, and understand that letting their dogs run should not include letting them chase birds. Rules only work when people understand that the rules make sense. Best wishes for explaining, maybe one person at a time.


From: SFBirds@groups.io <SFBirds@groups.io> on behalf of Pat Greene <pjgreene@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 12:59 PM
To: SF Birds <SFBirds@groups.io>
Cc: Joel Perlstein <joelperl@...>; Dominik Mosur <polskatata@...>; Dario Taraborelli <dario.taraborelli@...>; margstan@... <margstan@...>
Subject: Re: [SFBirds] 4 snowy plovers
 
The dog lobby is so well organized and well funded (including Jackie Speier who was able to threaten GGNRA funding) that they are able to drive the ‘rules’, —and then break whatever very weak rules exist.
Pat Greene


> On Feb 6, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Dominik Mosur via groups.io <polskatata@...> wrote:
>
> SFBirders have been wondering the same for a couple of decades now.
>
>
>> On Feb 6, 2021, at 08:57, Dario Taraborelli <dario.taraborelli@...> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I’d love to know too. Every time I walk through the protected area on a sunny day I see 4-5 unleashed dogs on average. I politely tell their owners, and most reluctantly comply, but that lasts 15 minutes max.
>>
>>> On Feb 5, 2021, at 21:55, Joel Perlstein <joelperl@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the info. I went on Thursday and saw two snowy plovers and many unleashed dogs.
>>>
>>> I asked one of the dog owners to leash their dog, but they did not do so.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there anything we can do to get the National Park Service  to enforce its dog rules in the snowy plover protection areas, or to get them to just prohibit dogs in those areas?
>>> --
>>> Joel Perlstein
>>> San Francisco
>>>
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Sequoia Audubon Feb 11 Monthly Meeting

Davena Gentry
 

This month's Monthly Meeting program combines human history and natural history: The Remarkable Story of Sam McDonald with Katherine Wright, San Mateo County Parks Ranger. In honor of Black History Month, Ranger Wright will share the story of Sam McDonald, the child of parents freed from enslavement, who rose to prominence at Stanford, then left his large estate for the betterment of San Mateo County youth. Join us to learn more about McDonald's remarkable achievements!
Thurs. Feb 11, register here: http://www.sequoia-audubon.org/meetings.html


Wh-w Scoter & Brant

Brian Fitch
 

After an 0-4 rarity search at Lake Merced, I went to the Sutro Baths, where the surf had finally returned to normal after weeks of monster waves.  The species count continued to be less varied than usual, still no murrelets at all, but there was a flock of about 10 Brant on the water way out toward the northwest, and a female White-winged Scoter flew from the south quite close and into the mouth of the Gate.  It's fascinating that we've lost our traditional wintering flock of White-wingeds, but have gained many more flybyes than used to occur.
Brian Fitch


Re: Kittiwake

Nico Stuurman
 

Kittiwake returned to its spot at the end of the dock right next to the boat house, Lake Merced.

On February 7, 2021 2:50:27 PM PST, Nico Stuurman <nico@...> wrote:
Animal control person just tried to safe the injured Kittiwake, but was healthy enoght to fly away, and landed with the gull flock in the middle of the lake.

Happy birding!

Nico

On February 7, 2021 11:52:24 AM PST, Dominik Mosur <dominikmosur@...> wrote:
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I’m looking at a black footed kittiwake on the dock near the boathouse on Lake Merced. Can you get word out to the local burgers in the city? It looks like the bird is wounded and it’s breast. I’m right here now best viewed from the fishing dock.
John



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Re: Kittiwake

Nico Stuurman
 

Animal control person just tried to safe the injured Kittiwake, but was healthy enoght to fly away, and landed with the gull flock in the middle of the lake.

Happy birding!

Nico

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I’m looking at a black footed kittiwake on the dock near the boathouse on Lake Merced. Can you get word out to the local burgers in the city? It looks like the bird is wounded and it’s breast. I’m right here now best viewed from the fishing dock.
John



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Kittiwake

 

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I’m looking at a black footed kittiwake on the dock near the boathouse on Lake Merced. Can you get word out to the local burgers in the city? It looks like the bird is wounded and it’s breast. I’m right here now best viewed from the fishing dock.
John

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50 Cedar Waxwing

Brandy Deminna Ford
 

I just saw about 50 Cedar Waxwing at Lake and 23rd feeding on toyon berries and preening on a nearby pine. I have never seen so many here before and wonder if Lake being closed to cars has anything to do with it. A nice morning treat.

Brandy


Re: 4 snowy plovers

Harrison Karr
 

Has anyone looked into litigation to enforce the Endangered Species Act?  You might find a law firm willing to take this on pro bono, or one of the conservation organizations.
 
Harrison Karr
 

 
 
Harrison 


Re: 4 snowy plovers

tracy_farrington
 

San Franciscans are, generally speaking, backers of environmentally responsible behavior and policy. 
But when dogs get put into the mix, all that goes out the door. Whiners and hypocrites.

Tracy Farrington
Walnut Creek

On Saturday, February 6, 2021, 04:58:33 PM PST, mbzlat via groups.io <mbzlat@...> wrote:


In San Francisco, domestic dog privilege supersedes National Park values. Environmental advocates have been trying to eradicate this bias for many years. It's a systemic problem...very frustrating.

Matt Zlatunich


Re: 4 snowy plovers

Ray Rozema
 

I agree , very frustrating. Once, while at Crissy Field birding, a lady’s  dog jumped inside my car. The dog was not a leash. The lady’s response  was “ Don’t worry, he’s a good dog” Arrrgh!

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In San Francisco, domestic dog privilege supersedes National Park values. Environmental advocates have been trying to eradicate this bias for many years. It's a systemic problem...very frustrating.

Matt Zlatunich


Re: 4 snowy plovers

mbzlat
 

In San Francisco, domestic dog privilege supersedes National Park values. Environmental advocates have been trying to eradicate this bias for many years. It's a systemic problem...very frustrating.

Matt Zlatunich


Pier 94 report 2/6/21

Eddie Bartley
 

Post planting party we birded Pier 94 in sunny, beautiful weather and were rewarded with some good birds.

AMERICAN PIPIT was strutting, foraging south side of the quite full Hansen pond. Likely the same bird as has been wintering at Heron's Head.
RED-NECKED GREBE was diving at the mouth of Islais Creek.
LINCOLN SPARROW, first we've seen in a while at this location.

There were a high number of Pelagic Cormorants moving about, showing full to partial white patches in their flanks now. 
Anna's Humming birds are displaying, more than in recent visits. 
Nuttall's White-crowned sparrows are singing it up too. 
https://ebird.org/checklist/S80543852

Happy trails!

Eddie Bartley
Noreen Weeden




 


Re: 4 snowy plovers

Pat Greene
 

The dog lobby is so well organized and well funded (including Jackie Speier who was able to threaten GGNRA funding) that they are able to drive the ‘rules’, —and then break whatever very weak rules exist.
Pat Greene

On Feb 6, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Dominik Mosur via groups.io <polskatata=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

SFBirders have been wondering the same for a couple of decades now.


On Feb 6, 2021, at 08:57, Dario Taraborelli <dario.taraborelli@gmail.com> wrote:


I’d love to know too. Every time I walk through the protected area on a sunny day I see 4-5 unleashed dogs on average. I politely tell their owners, and most reluctantly comply, but that lasts 15 minutes max.

On Feb 5, 2021, at 21:55, Joel Perlstein <joelperl@earthlink.net> wrote:


Thanks for the info. I went on Thursday and saw two snowy plovers and many unleashed dogs.

I asked one of the dog owners to leash their dog, but they did not do so.


Is there anything we can do to get the National Park Service to enforce its dog rules in the snowy plover protection areas, or to get them to just prohibit dogs in those areas?
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San Francisco


Re: 4 snowy plovers

Stan Zeavin
 

To All SF who care about snpl -

Just like you, we in Pacifica have been begging for years for the leash law to be enforced. Under an old agreement with the state parks, Pacifica manages Pacifica State Beach. With the approval of the CCC for Pacifica to collect parking fees we had hoped that the money collected would be used exclusively for rangers on the beach as promised. Rangers were discouraged from issuing citations for off-leash violations. As volunteers we were supposed to telephone the police who might show up if nothing else more important was happening, but usually long after the offending owner had left the beach. Hired as "Rangers" ours are ranger in name only, being used by DPW for all sorts of maintenance all over town including emptying garbage cans on San Franicsco's golf berm. Plovers are seen as an inconvenience to the city which is counting on tourist income to fund us. In fact, the tourists are reasonably compliant with signage.  It's the locals who disregard the law. It's the old system of no consequences leading to more violations.

Meanwhile we count and report off-leash owners to the city without effect.

Our sympathy,

Margaret Goodale

On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:55:50 PM PST, Joel Perlstein <joelperl@...> wrote:


Thanks for the info. I went on Thursday and saw two snowy plovers and many unleashed dogs. 

I asked one of the dog owners to leash their dog, but they did not do so.


Is there anything we can do to get the National Park Service  to enforce its dog rules in the snowy plover protection areas, or to get them to just prohibit dogs in those areas?
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Joel Perlstein 
San Francisco


Re: 4 snowy plovers

Dominik Mosur
 

SFBirders have been wondering the same for a couple of decades now.


On Feb 6, 2021, at 08:57, Dario Taraborelli <dario.taraborelli@...> wrote:


I’d love to know too. Every time I walk through the protected area on a sunny day I see 4-5 unleashed dogs on average. I politely tell their owners, and most reluctantly comply, but that lasts 15 minutes max. 

On Feb 5, 2021, at 21:55, Joel Perlstein <joelperl@...> wrote:



Thanks for the info. I went on Thursday and saw two snowy plovers and many unleashed dogs. 

I asked one of the dog owners to leash their dog, but they did not do so.


Is there anything we can do to get the National Park Service  to enforce its dog rules in the snowy plover protection areas, or to get them to just prohibit dogs in those areas?
--
Joel Perlstein 
San Francisco

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