Raspi4, Hamtronics and WxtoImg


VK2AHB
 

I have been able to get the Pi/7300 combo working for JS8, FT8, Winlink (via PAT) but cannot get WXtoImg to work.When going to File/Mixer.COntrol I get the Alsamixer GUI but the sliders for Capture won't slide.  It says Card and Chip: PulseAudio.

I am using a Hamtronics R139 with audio into the 3.5mm port on the Pi.

The Options/Recording Options give options of default audio or a lot of Devices (1-15) plus USB and pulse. Selecting pulse doesn't advance me at all.

Trying Record Manual locks it all up and I have to kill it. At the bottom of the screen it says "Status: waiting for nothing". 

 I have used WXtoImg for many, many years on the boat, and I'd really like to get it working on the Pi.

Paul VK2AHB


VK2AHB
 

A bit more investigation...
I tried using a USB sound card which shows up on arecord -l as card 2, device 0.   The option USB audio... hw:2,0 became available under Recording Options in WxtoIMg. I use this USB sound card to record AX.25 telemetry so I know the card works.

When I tried manual Record, I got an error complaining about the soundcard setting.  "Error can't open audio device -9985...Device unavailable, check soundcard settings in recording options.."   

I had selected one of the defaults 11025. I tried the next one 22050 , then 44100 and got the same error.

I also found that using alsamixer, not the GUI allowed me to tab the capture side and increase it with the up-arrow.

Further experiments showed that Default audio, default or pulse would Manual record noise at a level of around 45 with full audio or none going in to the USB card or 3.5mm jack.

Paul VK2AHB


Dave R
 

What OS/version? 73


On Sat, May 15, 2021, 22:42 VK2AHB <vk2ahb@...> wrote:
I have been able to get the Pi/7300 combo working for JS8, FT8, Winlink (via PAT) but cannot get WXtoImg to work.When going to File/Mixer.COntrol I get the Alsamixer GUI but the sliders for Capture won't slide.  It says Card and Chip: PulseAudio.

I am using a Hamtronics R139 with audio into the 3.5mm port on the Pi.

The Options/Recording Options give options of default audio or a lot of Devices (1-15) plus USB and pulse. Selecting pulse doesn't advance me at all.

Trying Record Manual locks it all up and I have to kill it. At the bottom of the screen it says "Status: waiting for nothing". 

 I have used WXtoImg for many, many years on the boat, and I'd really like to get it working on the Pi.

Paul VK2AHB


VK2AHB
 

St retch.


N5XMT
 

Stretch will not boot on a Pi4 or 400

On May 16, 2021, at 14:33, VK2AHB <vk2ahb@...> wrote:
St retch.


Dave R
 

Stretch is pretty old. 73


On Sun, May 16, 2021, 16:04 N5XMT <dacooley@...> wrote:
Stretch will not boot on a Pi4 or 400
On May 16, 2021, at 14:33, VK2AHB <vk2ahb@...> wrote:
St retch.


N5XMT
 

Exactly

On May 16, 2021, at 18:22, Dave R <daverickmers@...> wrote:
Stretch is pretty old. 73

On Sun, May 16, 2021, 16:04 N5XMT < dacooley@...> wrote:
Stretch will not boot on a Pi4 or 400
On May 16, 2021, at 14:33, VK2AHB < vk2ahb@...> wrote:
St retch.


Tony
 

http://wiki.debian.org/LTS is worth perusing, IMHO.

On 5/16/21 6:21 PM, Dave R wrote:
Stretch is pretty old. 73

On Sun, May 16, 2021, 16:04 N5XMT <dacooley@...> wrote:
Stretch will not boot on a Pi4 or 400
On May 16, 2021, at 14:33, VK2AHB <vk2ahb@...> wrote:
St retch.


N5XMT
 

Means nothing for the Pi.  Natively, Debian has minimal support only through the Pi 3 series.  Raspbian is now called RaspberryPiOS, has driver's and firmware the pi's require for proper functionality.  
And Pi4 is only supported by Buster, the Pi4 8gb and the Pi 400 all need the Dec 2020 version of Buster or newer

On May 16, 2021, at 20:08, "Tony via groups.io" <yahoo.com@groups.io target=_blank>ynotssor=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
http://wiki.debian.org/LTS is worth perusing, IMHO.

On 5/16/21 6:21 PM, Dave R wrote:
Stretch is pretty old. 73

On Sun, May 16, 2021, 16:04 N5XMT < dacooley@...> wrote:
Stretch will not boot on a Pi4 or 400
On May 16, 2021, at 14:33, VK2AHB < vk2ahb@...> wrote:
St retch.


Tony
 

Please inform us when Debian "Stretch" support will expire on the RPi.

On 5/16/21 8:16 PM, N5XMT wrote:
Means nothing for the Pi.  Natively, Debian has minimal support only through the Pi 3 series.  Raspbian is now called RaspberryPiOS, has driver's and firmware the pi's require for proper functionality.  
And Pi4 is only supported by Buster, the Pi4 8gb and the Pi 400 all need the Dec 2020 version of Buster or newer
On May 16, 2021, at 20:08, "Tony via groups.io" <yahoo.com@groups.io target=_blank>ynotssor=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
http://wiki.debian.org/LTS is worth perusing, IMHO.

On 5/16/21 6:21 PM, Dave R wrote:
Stretch is pretty old. 73

On Sun, May 16, 2021, 16:04 N5XMT < dacooley@...> wrote:
Stretch will not boot on a Pi4 or 400
On May 16, 2021, at 14:33, VK2AHB < vk2ahb@...> wrote:
St retch.


N5XMT
 

Debian stretch will not even boot the pi 4 or 400
But feel free to waste your time trying.  And keep your assinine attitude to yourself

On May 16, 2021, at 20:52, "Tony via groups.io" <yahoo.com@groups.io target=_blank>ynotssor=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Please inform us when Debian "Stretch" support will expire on the RPi.

On 5/16/21 8:16 PM, N5XMT wrote:
Means nothing for the Pi.  Natively, Debian has minimal support only through the Pi 3 series.  Raspbian is now called RaspberryPiOS, has driver's and firmware the pi's require for proper functionality.  
And Pi4 is only supported by Buster, the Pi4 8gb and the Pi 400 all need the Dec 2020 version of Buster or newer


Dave R
 

LTS is for lesser grade operators IMHO.  73


On Sun, May 16, 2021, 20:08 Tony via groups.io <ynotssor=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
http://wiki.debian.org/LTS is worth perusing, IMHO.

On 5/16/21 6:21 PM, Dave R wrote:
Stretch is pretty old. 73

On Sun, May 16, 2021, 16:04 N5XMT <dacooley@...> wrote:
Stretch will not boot on a Pi4 or 400
On May 16, 2021, at 14:33, VK2AHB <vk2ahb@...> wrote:
St retch.


Dave R
 

"Stretch" Security updates ended last July (2020). 73


On Sun, May 16, 2021, 20:51 Tony via groups.io <ynotssor=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Please inform us when Debian "Stretch" support will expire on the RPi.

On 5/16/21 8:16 PM, N5XMT wrote:
Means nothing for the Pi.  Natively, Debian has minimal support only through the Pi 3 series.  Raspbian is now called RaspberryPiOS, has driver's and firmware the pi's require for proper functionality.  
And Pi4 is only supported by Buster, the Pi4 8gb and the Pi 400 all need the Dec 2020 version of Buster or newer
On May 16, 2021, at 20:08, "Tony via groups.io" <yahoo.com@groups.io target=_blank>ynotssor=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
http://wiki.debian.org/LTS is worth perusing, IMHO.

On 5/16/21 6:21 PM, Dave R wrote:
Stretch is pretty old. 73

On Sun, May 16, 2021, 16:04 N5XMT < dacooley@...> wrote:
Stretch will not boot on a Pi4 or 400
On May 16, 2021, at 14:33, VK2AHB < vk2ahb@...> wrote:
St retch.


Dave R
 


On Sun, May 16, 2021, 20:51 Tony via groups.io <ynotssor=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Please inform us when Debian "Stretch" support will expire on the RPi.

On 5/16/21 8:16 PM, N5XMT wrote:
Means nothing for the Pi.  Natively, Debian has minimal support only through the Pi 3 series.  Raspbian is now called RaspberryPiOS, has driver's and firmware the pi's require for proper functionality.  
And Pi4 is only supported by Buster, the Pi4 8gb and the Pi 400 all need the Dec 2020 version of Buster or newer
On May 16, 2021, at 20:08, "Tony via groups.io" <yahoo.com@groups.io target=_blank>ynotssor=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
http://wiki.debian.org/LTS is worth perusing, IMHO.

On 5/16/21 6:21 PM, Dave R wrote:
Stretch is pretty old. 73

On Sun, May 16, 2021, 16:04 N5XMT < dacooley@...> wrote:
Stretch will not boot on a Pi4 or 400
On May 16, 2021, at 14:33, VK2AHB < vk2ahb@...> wrote:
St retch.


Dave R
 


On Mon, May 17, 2021, 06:37 Dave R via groups.io <daverickmers=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

On Sun, May 16, 2021, 20:51 Tony via groups.io <ynotssor=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Please inform us when Debian "Stretch" support will expire on the RPi.

On 5/16/21 8:16 PM, N5XMT wrote:
Means nothing for the Pi.  Natively, Debian has minimal support only through the Pi 3 series.  Raspbian is now called RaspberryPiOS, has driver's and firmware the pi's require for proper functionality.  
And Pi4 is only supported by Buster, the Pi4 8gb and the Pi 400 all need the Dec 2020 version of Buster or newer
On May 16, 2021, at 20:08, "Tony via groups.io" <yahoo.com@groups.io target=_blank>ynotssor=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
http://wiki.debian.org/LTS is worth perusing, IMHO.

On 5/16/21 6:21 PM, Dave R wrote:
Stretch is pretty old. 73

On Sun, May 16, 2021, 16:04 N5XMT < dacooley@...> wrote:
Stretch will not boot on a Pi4 or 400
On May 16, 2021, at 14:33, VK2AHB < vk2ahb@...> wrote:
St retch.


David Ranch
 


"Stretch" Security updates ended last July (2020). 73

This isn't entirely true as the whole support area around Raspberry Pi OS is confusing (kernel vs. distro):

   - Kernels: Support from the Raspberry Pi foundation for new kernels is only for the *current* version of OS.  For example, when Buster was released, the Raspberry Pi foundation basically stopped releasing any new kernel updates for Stretch though there were some rare urgent exceptions.  https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=281783 : I personally would recommend anyone who really cares about security to upgrade or replace the OS to the newest released OS it's released.  For the Raspberry Pi OS cadence, that's typically the Debian release date + one month

   - Distro:  Dave is correct.  The main support for Raspberry Pi OS Stretch ended in July 2020 as part of Debian's 2 year cycle.  Please don't confuse Raspberry Pi OS's patching support with say Debian LTS program.  There still isn't any LTS concept for Raspberry Pi OS at this time (but it has been discussed many times:  https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=297441 )


If you want a longer life OS, you're currently going to need to move STOP using Raspberry Pi OS to a different distribution such as real Debian.  Most things should work with "real" Debian but it's not going to have the same level of hardware support that Raspberry Pi OS offers.  If you were using true Debian Stretch, you could have enabled Debian's volunteer only supported LTS:

      https://wiki.debian.org/LTS --> https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using

--David
KI6ZHD



On Sun, May 16, 2021, 20:51 Tony via groups.io <ynotssor=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Please inform us when Debian "Stretch" support will expire on the RPi.

On 5/16/21 8:16 PM, N5XMT wrote:
Means nothing for the Pi.  Natively, Debian has minimal support only through the Pi 3 series.  Raspbian is now called RaspberryPiOS, has driver's and firmware the pi's require for proper functionality.  
And Pi4 is only supported by Buster, the Pi4 8gb and the Pi 400 all need the Dec 2020 version of Buster or newer
On May 16, 2021, at 20:08, "Tony via groups.io" <yahoo.com@groups.io target=_blank>ynotssor=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
http://wiki.debian.org/LTS is worth perusing, IMHO.

On 5/16/21 6:21 PM, Dave R wrote:
Stretch is pretty old. 73

On Sun, May 16, 2021, 16:04 N5XMT < dacooley@...> wrote:
Stretch will not boot on a Pi4 or 400
On May 16, 2021, at 14:33, VK2AHB < vk2ahb@...> wrote:
St retch.



Dave R
 

I had Stretch on my Mintbox Mini before the Pi400 replaced it around New Years. After using Mint I'm a little extra cautious. Thanks for clarifying.  73


On Mon, May 17, 2021, 08:46 David Ranch <rpi4hamradio-groupsio@...> wrote:

"Stretch" Security updates ended last July (2020). 73

This isn't entirely true as the whole support area around Raspberry Pi OS is confusing (kernel vs. distro):

   - Kernels: Support from the Raspberry Pi foundation for new kernels is only for the *current* version of OS.  For example, when Buster was released, the Raspberry Pi foundation basically stopped releasing any new kernel updates for Stretch though there were some rare urgent exceptions.  https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=281783 : I personally would recommend anyone who really cares about security to upgrade or replace the OS to the newest released OS it's released.  For the Raspberry Pi OS cadence, that's typically the Debian release date + one month

   - Distro:  Dave is correct.  The main support for Raspberry Pi OS Stretch ended in July 2020 as part of Debian's 2 year cycle.  Please don't confuse Raspberry Pi OS's patching support with say Debian LTS program.  There still isn't any LTS concept for Raspberry Pi OS at this time (but it has been discussed many times:  https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=297441 )


If you want a longer life OS, you're currently going to need to move STOP using Raspberry Pi OS to a different distribution such as real Debian.  Most things should work with "real" Debian but it's not going to have the same level of hardware support that Raspberry Pi OS offers.  If you were using true Debian Stretch, you could have enabled Debian's volunteer only supported LTS:

      https://wiki.debian.org/LTS --> https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using

--David
KI6ZHD



On Sun, May 16, 2021, 20:51 Tony via groups.io <ynotssor=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Please inform us when Debian "Stretch" support will expire on the RPi.

On 5/16/21 8:16 PM, N5XMT wrote:
Means nothing for the Pi.  Natively, Debian has minimal support only through the Pi 3 series.  Raspbian is now called RaspberryPiOS, has driver's and firmware the pi's require for proper functionality.  
And Pi4 is only supported by Buster, the Pi4 8gb and the Pi 400 all need the Dec 2020 version of Buster or newer
On May 16, 2021, at 20:08, "Tony via groups.io" <yahoo.com@groups.io target=_blank>ynotssor=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
http://wiki.debian.org/LTS is worth perusing, IMHO.

On 5/16/21 6:21 PM, Dave R wrote:
Stretch is pretty old. 73

On Sun, May 16, 2021, 16:04 N5XMT < dacooley@...> wrote:
Stretch will not boot on a Pi4 or 400
On May 16, 2021, at 14:33, VK2AHB < vk2ahb@...> wrote:
St retch.



VK2AHB
 

Sorry to hve de-railed the conversation... of course it is Buster on the Pi4.  I have Stretch on the PiB.  Speaking of which, I might give WxtoImg a go on that.
Paul VK2AHB


Tony
 

On 5/17/21 7:41 PM, VK2AHB wrote:
Sorry to hve de-railed the conversation... of course it is Buster on the Pi4.  I have Stretch on the PiB.  Speaking of which, I might give WxtoImg a go on that.

http://github.com/jekhokie/raspberry-noaa-v2 is an html-based implementation of WxtoImg that is much easier to configure and manage.

   


Martin Cooper
 



On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 9:15 AM Tony via groups.io <ynotssor=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

http://github.com/jekhokie/raspberry-noaa-v2 is an html-based implementation of WxtoImg that is much easier to configure and manage.

To be accurate, it's a web-based front end to WXtoImg. It installs WXtoImg behind the scenes and runs it to process images. It's not a replacement for / alternative to WXtoImg.

Martin.
KD6YAM