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CAT Control Options

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
 

In working on using the Build A Pi script from Jason, KM4ACK, I have come across the need for assistance.

I need some guidance on identifying available cables to allow FLRIG to control the RIG via CAT as built in the
script / setup.

I own an older FT-450 (currently my main Base HF Rig using a SignaLink), an FT-897 (my target HF Rig for
mobile / portable ops) and an ICOM 718 (currently planned to be my back shack rig with a SignaLink and also
connected to my 80m dipole).

The reason I am looking for cable for all three rigs is that I will eventually want to move away from the big PC
I am using in my shack and move the PI and totally 12v operation.

Thank you in advance for your help in locating cable options for CAT control on the PI for these rigs.

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
ewbloom@...
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I use these USB cables on Raspberry Pi to do CAT control on Yaesu and on Icom
 


On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:12 AM Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io <ewbloom=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
In working on using the Build A Pi script from Jason, KM4ACK, I have come across the need for assistance.

I need some guidance on identifying available cables to allow FLRIG to control the RIG via CAT as built in the
script / setup.

I own an older FT-450 (currently my main Base HF Rig using a SignaLink), an FT-897 (my target HF Rig for
mobile / portable ops) and an ICOM 718 (currently planned to be my back shack rig with a SignaLink and also
connected to my 80m dipole).

The reason I am looking for cable for all three rigs is that I will eventually want to move away from the big PC
I am using in my shack and move the PI and totally 12v operation.

Thank you in advance for your help in locating cable options for CAT control on the PI for these rigs.

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
ewbloom@...
Sent from Webmail access



--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 

Mike B
 

If you are going to give a mean answer...why answer at all.

I am pretty sure all of those radios have available serial cables to CAT.

From there you use a USB to serial adapter...I use a generic one I got on Amazon... it is plug and play on the Pi basically.

Mike

On 4/20/2020 1:34 PM, John D Hays - K7VE wrote:
I use these USB cables on Raspberry Pi to do CAT control on Yaesu and on Icom
 

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:12 AM Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io <ewbloom=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
In working on using the Build A Pi script from Jason, KM4ACK, I have come across the need for assistance.

I need some guidance on identifying available cables to allow FLRIG to control the RIG via CAT as built in the
script / setup.

I own an older FT-450 (currently my main Base HF Rig using a SignaLink), an FT-897 (my target HF Rig for
mobile / portable ops) and an ICOM 718 (currently planned to be my back shack rig with a SignaLink and also
connected to my 80m dipole).

The reason I am looking for cable for all three rigs is that I will eventually want to move away from the big PC
I am using in my shack and move the PI and totally 12v operation.

Thank you in advance for your help in locating cable options for CAT control on the PI for these rigs.

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
ewbloom@...
Sent from Webmail access


--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 


 

That was not a mean answer.  It was a link that will help you get to a search.

The search lists a number of places to get the cables at different price points.

You don't need a USB to serial cable, if the cable is USB to the proper CAT connection.


On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:42 AM Mike B <kf5dey@...> wrote:
If you are going to give a mean answer...why answer at all.

I am pretty sure all of those radios have available serial cables to CAT.

From there you use a USB to serial adapter...I use a generic one I got on Amazon... it is plug and play on the Pi basically.

Mike

On 4/20/2020 1:34 PM, John D Hays - K7VE wrote:
I use these USB cables on Raspberry Pi to do CAT control on Yaesu and on Icom
 

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:12 AM Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io <ewbloom=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
In working on using the Build A Pi script from Jason, KM4ACK, I have come across the need for assistance.

I need some guidance on identifying available cables to allow FLRIG to control the RIG via CAT as built in the
script / setup.

I own an older FT-450 (currently my main Base HF Rig using a SignaLink), an FT-897 (my target HF Rig for
mobile / portable ops) and an ICOM 718 (currently planned to be my back shack rig with a SignaLink and also
connected to my 80m dipole).

The reason I am looking for cable for all three rigs is that I will eventually want to move away from the big PC
I am using in my shack and move the PI and totally 12v operation.

Thank you in advance for your help in locating cable options for CAT control on the PI for these rigs.

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
ewbloom@...
Sent from Webmail access


--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 




--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 

Mike B
 

"I need some guidance on identifying available cables to allow FLRIG to control the RIG via CAT as built in the
script / setup."

A specific question...just because ebay has a CAT cable, doesn't mean it will work...how do I know?   I bought an ebay usb CAT cable...it recognized the radio...but would not allow radio to transmit.

So I gave a specific answer...there are serial to CAT cables available...and from there you can use a generic USB to serial adapter.

And that adapter will be plug and play with the Pi.

Mike



I have to ask...is that how you mentor other amateurs trying to learn something new in the hobby?



On 4/20/2020 1:48 PM, John D Hays - K7VE wrote:
That was not a mean answer.  It was a link that will help you get to a search.

The search lists a number of places to get the cables at different price points.

You don't need a USB to serial cable, if the cable is USB to the proper CAT connection.


On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:42 AM Mike B <kf5dey@...> wrote:
If you are going to give a mean answer...why answer at all.

I am pretty sure all of those radios have available serial cables to CAT.

From there you use a USB to serial adapter...I use a generic one I got on Amazon... it is plug and play on the Pi basically.

Mike

On 4/20/2020 1:34 PM, John D Hays - K7VE wrote:
I use these USB cables on Raspberry Pi to do CAT control on Yaesu and on Icom
 

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:12 AM Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io <ewbloom=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
In working on using the Build A Pi script from Jason, KM4ACK, I have come across the need for assistance.

I need some guidance on identifying available cables to allow FLRIG to control the RIG via CAT as built in the
script / setup.

I own an older FT-450 (currently my main Base HF Rig using a SignaLink), an FT-897 (my target HF Rig for
mobile / portable ops) and an ICOM 718 (currently planned to be my back shack rig with a SignaLink and also
connected to my 80m dipole).

The reason I am looking for cable for all three rigs is that I will eventually want to move away from the big PC
I am using in my shack and move the PI and totally 12v operation.

Thank you in advance for your help in locating cable options for CAT control on the PI for these rigs.

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
ewbloom@...
Sent from Webmail access


--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 




--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 


Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
 

Mike,

I know the FT-450 does and I have a plain serial to serial cable on it now to my big PC.

So you are saying that as along as I order a CAT-62 equivalent, I should be able to plug
it into a USB port on the Pi and be good to go (once all the settings are in place?

I just don't want to spend the money on a cable someone else has already tried and found
to be lacking in functionality.

In the example of Jason, KM4ACK, his rig had a direct USB port so he does not need anything
special just a USB-A to USB-B.

I think the FT-897 will be the same serial port as the FT-450. I will need to check as it has
been boxed in the Go Case for a while.  the ICOM 718 is is new enough to me that I have not
fully reached the point yet.

I stilled asked the question, so I could go ahead and order the "I have successfully used "cables
even if they do sit a month or two on the bench.

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
ewbloom@...
Sent from Webmail access


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B <kf5dey@...>
To: RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio <RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Apr 20, 2020 1:42 pm
Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] CAT Control Options

I am pretty sure all of those radios have available serial cables to CAT.

From there you use a USB to serial adapter...I use a generic one I got on Amazon... it is plug and play on the Pi basically.

Mike


On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:12 AM Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io <ewbloom=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
In working on using the Build A Pi script from Jason, KM4ACK, I have come across the need for assistance.

I need some guidance on identifying available cables to allow FLRIG to control the RIG via CAT as built in the
script / setup.

I own an older FT-450 (currently my main Base HF Rig using a SignaLink), an FT-897 (my target HF Rig for
mobile / portable ops) and an ICOM 718 (currently planned to be my back shack rig with a SignaLink and also
connected to my 80m dipole).

The reason I am looking for cable for all three rigs is that I will eventually want to move away from the big PC
I am using in my shack and move the PI and totally 12v operation.

Thank you in advance for your help in locating cable options for CAT control on the PI for these rigs.

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
ewbloom@...
Sent from Webmail access


--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 


Mike B
 

I have the 857D.   There is no official USB cable for it...but there are some available on ebay/amazon (I don't remember where I bought mine.) in any case...the cable did talk the radio but I could not transmit with it.  

So I had to buy the correct serial CAT cable for the Yaesu (meaning the not cheap one)...AND a generic USB to serial cable...and that combo is plug and play on both Windows and the Pi. 

I got a USB to serial cable like this one...and like I said, it worked for Windows and the Pi.


 

Mike

On 4/20/2020 2:43 PM, Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io wrote:
Mike,

I know the FT-450 does and I have a plain serial to serial cable on it now to my big PC.

So you are saying that as along as I order a CAT-62 equivalent, I should be able to plug
it into a USB port on the Pi and be good to go (once all the settings are in place?

I just don't want to spend the money on a cable someone else has already tried and found
to be lacking in functionality.

In the example of Jason, KM4ACK, his rig had a direct USB port so he does not need anything
special just a USB-A to USB-B.

I think the FT-897 will be the same serial port as the FT-450. I will need to check as it has
been boxed in the Go Case for a while.  the ICOM 718 is is new enough to me that I have not
fully reached the point yet.

I stilled asked the question, so I could go ahead and order the "I have successfully used "cables
even if they do sit a month or two on the bench.

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
ewbloom@...
Sent from Webmail access


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B <kf5dey@...>
To: RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio <RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Apr 20, 2020 1:42 pm
Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] CAT Control Options

I am pretty sure all of those radios have available serial cables to CAT.

From there you use a USB to serial adapter...I use a generic one I got on Amazon... it is plug and play on the Pi basically.

Mike


On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:12 AM Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io <ewbloom=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
In working on using the Build A Pi script from Jason, KM4ACK, I have come across the need for assistance.

I need some guidance on identifying available cables to allow FLRIG to control the RIG via CAT as built in the
script / setup.

I own an older FT-450 (currently my main Base HF Rig using a SignaLink), an FT-897 (my target HF Rig for
mobile / portable ops) and an ICOM 718 (currently planned to be my back shack rig with a SignaLink and also
connected to my 80m dipole).

The reason I am looking for cable for all three rigs is that I will eventually want to move away from the big PC
I am using in my shack and move the PI and totally 12v operation.

Thank you in advance for your help in locating cable options for CAT control on the PI for these rigs.

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
ewbloom@...
Sent from Webmail access


--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 



 



On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:44 PM Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io <ewbloom=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Mike,

I know the FT-450 does and I have a plain serial to serial cable on it now to my big PC.

So you are saying that as along as I order a CAT-62 equivalent, I should be able to plug
it into a USB port on the Pi and be good to go (once all the settings are in place?

That is what I have done.  I use this one
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0041LNISK  

 
I just don't want to spend the money on a cable someone else has already tried and found
to be lacking in functionality.

In the example of Jason, KM4ACK, his rig had a direct USB port so he does not need anything
special just a USB-A to USB-B.

I think the FT-897 will be the same serial port as the FT-450. I will need to check as it has
been boxed in the Go Case for a while.  the ICOM 718 is is new enough to me that I have not
fully reached the point yet.

I don't have an IC-718 but it looks like it takes a standard Icom style CI-V cable.

Here is the Icom version I have - https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B004L0T4UM

 I like these versions because they use FTDI USB to serial chips which are better supported.  You may find lower cost options.  For Linux, FTDI may not be as important.

There are a lot of counterfeit Prolific chips, which may not work with Windows. 

--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 

Bill Lamm
 
Edited

I have a Icom 718 and a ci-v cable.. I am setting up raspi4 following KM4ACK's wonderful work.. 
The CI-V cable works but doesn't control PTT.. I am using Gordon Gibby's digital interface kit to isolate raspi4 and radio.  That will require a sound card dongle and ?USB? connection to the ACC jack on the rear.

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
 

I look forward to learning what you learn on making the link from the Pi to the 718.

On 4/20/2020 10:15 PM, Bill Lamm wrote:
I have a Icom 718 and a ci-v cable.. I am setting up raspi4 following KM4ACK's wonderful work.. 
Tge CI-V cable works but doesn't control PTT.. I am using Gordon Gibby's digital interface kit to isolate raspi4 and radio.  That will require a sound card dongle and ?USB? connection to the ACC jack on the rear. 


Craig Davidson
 

If you ever want to control your Icom radio via the ci-v port using a
Raspberry Pi running your own linux scripts, I have figured out how to
turn on the Pi serial port (header pins 8 and 10) and send ascii/hex
data to the radio. The ci-v bus is the same as the old com port
(RS232) except the voltage levels are 5 volts and ground. I would be
happy to share my scripts and what I have learned about the interface.
One of the GPIO pins could be used for PTT on the radio.

Here are some notes about turning on the serial port on the Raspberry Pi.

http://experimental.irlp.net/IRLP_Projects/INSTRUCTIONS%20for%20Pi%20serial%20port%20setup.txt

Here is a diagram of my interface to a chinese transceiver board.
Similar wiring could interface to an Icom radio.

http://experimental.irlp.net/IRLP_Projects/SCHEMATIC_Pi_to_China_Transceiver_Board.png

On 4/21/20, Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ wrote:
I look forward to learning what you learn on making the link from the Pi
to the 718.

On 4/20/2020 10:15 PM, Bill Lamm wrote:
I have a Icom 718 and a ci-v cable.. I am setting up raspi4 following
KM4ACK's wonderful work..
Tge CI-V cable works but doesn't control PTT.. I am using Gordon
Gibby's digital interface kit to isolate raspi4 and radio. That will
require a sound card dongle and ?USB? connection to the ACC jack on
the rear.

DON CAMACHO <don32534@...>
 




On Apr 20, 2020, at 1:34 PM, John D Hays - K7VE <john@...> wrote:


I use these USB cables on Raspberry Pi to do CAT control on Yaesu and on Icom
 

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:12 AM Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ via groups.io <ewbloom=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
In working on using the Build A Pi script from Jason, KM4ACK, I have come across the need for assistance.

I need some guidance on identifying available cables to allow FLRIG to control the RIG via CAT as built in the
script / setup.

I own an older FT-450 (currently my main Base HF Rig using a SignaLink), an FT-897 (my target HF Rig for
mobile / portable ops) and an ICOM 718 (currently planned to be my back shack rig with a SignaLink and also
connected to my 80m dipole).

The reason I am looking for cable for all three rigs is that I will eventually want to move away from the big PC
I am using in my shack and move the PI and totally 12v operation.

Thank you in advance for your help in locating cable options for CAT control on the PI for these rigs.

Ed Bloom, KD9FRQ
ewbloom@...
Sent from Webmail access



--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 

Stephan Greene
 

The valley enterprises cables are solid products. I have them for icom, Kenwood, and yaesu radios. Not used ( yet) with an RPi, but never a hiccup with them and satpc32, fldigi, dxcommander, wsjt.  

73 Steve KS1G

 

They sell on Amazon and Ebay or go direct to https://www.valley-ent.com/store/

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 8:35 AM Stephan Greene <ks1g04@...> wrote:
The valley enterprises cables are solid products. I have them for icom, Kenwood, and yaesu radios. Not used ( yet) with an RPi, but never a hiccup with them and satpc32, fldigi, dxcommander, wsjt.  

73 Steve KS1G



--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 

Daniel Norris
 

Can anyone check if one of these valley-ent cat cables will supply 5v to the pi over the usb connector? 

I have an official cat -> serial adapter for my ft-857d and ran into an issue trying to set it up with a pi that it will power on the pi over the usb to serial adapter connection, even if I disconnect the usb power cable from the pi...  I'm sure this is bad - going to burn up some voltage regulator in the adapter and making it hard for me to switch off the pi when I need to power cycle it.  

Chuck M
 

Not sure about your specific item.  

Needed to block 5V power from RPi to Arduino control board of 3D printer.  Printed thin piece that inserts into USB-A male end.  Works okay.

Do you have a friend or local library that has a 3D printer?  Takes less than 10 minutes to print.  Very thin, easy to lose.


YMMV and all that.

73s
Chuck
KD9DVB



On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:23 PM, Daniel Norris
<norris.daniel@...> wrote:
Can anyone check if one of these valley-ent cat cables will supply 5v to the pi over the usb connector? 

I have an official cat -> serial adapter for my ft-857d and ran into an issue trying to set it up with a pi that it will power on the pi over the usb to serial adapter connection, even if I disconnect the usb power cable from the pi...  I'm sure this is bad - going to burn up some voltage regulator in the adapter and making it hard for me to switch off the pi when I need to power cycle it.  

Daniel Norris
 

Thanks, Chuck.  That's a remarkably simple solution.  I'll give it a try!  Yep, I do have a 3d printer.  

Chuck M
 

No probs.  Happy to help.
If anyone else needs something like this, email me privately and I can send you a couple.

There's another version in same thingiverse file that blocks data and only allows power to go through.

This link shows how to link one of the new smart outlets to being controlled by your RPi.  He's using Octopi, which for non 3D folks, is a server program for running 3D printers.  He's using it to power off the printer when not in use to reduce fire hazard.  


I don't have the programming skills to write code for something like this that could be used to shut off power to your ham shack's equipment.  Be a nice bit of code to have.  Any volunteers to give it a try?

73s
Chuck
KD9DVB


On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 03:47:37 AM EDT, Daniel Norris <norris.daniel@...> wrote:


Thanks, Chuck.  That's a remarkably simple solution.  I'll give it a try!  Yep, I do have a 3d printer.  

Glen - G0SBN
 

Hello Daniel

I don't have the 857d but do use an 891 and 817nd with my pi and not seeing an issue. The 891 has a usb built in, and I use a Yaesu SCU-17 forbthe 817nd. Just wondered what the official cat to serial adapter was that you mentioned?

Glen G0SBN

Bern Ghis
 

Le mer. 27 mai 2020 à 10:49, Glen - G0SBN via groups.io <g0sbn=talktalk.net@groups.io> a écrit :
Hello Daniel

I don't have the 857d but do use an 891 and 817nd with my pi and not seeing an issue. The 891 has a usb built in, and I use a Yaesu SCU-17 forbthe 817nd. Just wondered what the official cat to serial adapter was that you mentioned?

Glen G0SBN