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Re: Run a Windows program on the Pi 4

Tony
 

On 1/21/20 9:28 AM, dwfunk4475 wrote:
Actual x86 SBC's aren't that much more expensive than the RiPi 4. ...
References, please?


Re: Run A Windows program on Pi 4

 

Do you have a link to information on the software.  You will need to make sure it is for ARM processor under Linux .. both Raspbian and Ubuntu are variants of Debian Linux.


> The program I want to run is Spectrum Labs for collecting data from a VLF E-Field receiver. I am now looking at using an Ubuntu image on the Pi 4 as there is software that runs under this. Once again thanks to everyone who responded with advice.
73's Peter



--
John D. Hays
Kingston, WA
K7VE

 


Re: Run A Windows program on Pi 4

Brian Webster
 

Another possible suggestion is to pick up a cheap windows tablet. In the past I have purchased RCA tables for around $140 as I recall. Touch screen windows 10 device with HDMI output and a real USB port in addition to an OTG port and separate power cable. Here is a refurb unit like I have for $80

 

https://smile.amazon.com/RCA-Cambio-Windows-Keyboard-Renewed/dp/B07WPG1ZSJ/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=windows%2Btablet&qid=1579635014&sr=8-7&th=1

 

 

Brian N2KGC

 

 

 

From: RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio@groups.io [mailto:RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio@groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 12:31 PM
To: RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] Run A Windows program on Pi 4

 

Thanks for everyone who responded to my query. From what members are saying it is a nonstarter to run a windows program and will run very slowly, this could cause a problem with the sampling rate. I have been sent some information on how to do this but it looks very complicated to do. The program I want to run is Spectrum Labs for collecting data from a VLF E-Field receiver. I am now looking at using an Ubuntu image on the Pi 4 as there is software that runs under this. Once again thanks to everyone who responded with advice.
73's Peter


Re: Run A Windows program on Pi 4

Peter
 

Thanks for everyone who responded to my query. From what members are saying it is a nonstarter to run a windows program and will run very slowly, this could cause a problem with the sampling rate. I have been sent some information on how to do this but it looks very complicated to do. The program I want to run is Spectrum Labs for collecting data from a VLF E-Field receiver. I am now looking at using an Ubuntu image on the Pi 4 as there is software that runs under this. Once again thanks to everyone who responded with advice.
73's Peter


Re: Run a Windows program on the Pi 4

dwfunk4475
 

Attempting to run windows programs on the RiPi is a massive exercise in futility.  You might be able to get it running; guaranteed you will not like the effort nor the results.

Actual x86 SBC's aren't that much more expensive than the RiPi 4. Best bet is stick with one of those; be prepared for subpar performance compared to a desktop or laptop.


-david
.


On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 8:08 AM Peter via Groups.Io <pwnewton42=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Anyone know how to run a Windows program on the Pi 4 using RaspBrain operating system. Most of the advice is to use ExaGear but that is no longer available, does anyone know of an alternative to use.
73's Peter


Re: Run a Windows program on the Pi

Mark Griffith
 

I think he was meaning software emulation would be very slow on a Pi. Your board is a PC class device. 

VMware is probably the best virtual machine available now. Hundreds of corporations run all their servers on VMware with hundreds of thousands or more of virtual Windows machines.  But it ain't cheap! 

Mark
KD0QYN 




On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 10:21 AM, Larry Dighera
<LDighera@...> wrote:

I use one of the Udoo X86 boards for Windows (and Linux, either
natively or through WSL): https://shop.udoo.org/products/x86.html
UDOO X86 II is 10 times more powerful than Raspberry Pi 3, able to
drive up to three 4K screens at the same time

CPU: Intel Celeron N3160 2.24 Ghz
4 GB DDR3L Dual Channel RAM
Intel HD Graphics 400. Up to 640 MHz
32GB eMMC storage
Arduino Leonardo-compatible and compatible with most arduino shields
5V compliant.
IR interface.
LPC - 2 x I2C - GPIOs - Touch Screen support.
Management signals on expansion connector.
RTC Battery + Connector Included.
3 x USB 3.0 type-A sockets.



On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 06:51:45 -0800, "John D Hays - K7VE"
<john@...> wrote:

>They are completely different hardware. If you ran an emulator it would be
>extremely slow.
>
>There are inexpensive native boxes, if you need native Windows or better
>find an equivalent Raspbian program.
>
>On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 06:08 Peter via Groups.Io <pwnewton42=
>yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know how to run a Windows program on the Pi 4 using RaspBrain
>> operating system. Most of the advice is to use ExaGear but that is no
>> longer available, does anyone know of an alternative to use.
>> 73's Peter
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Run a Windows program on the Pi 4

Larry Dighera
 

I use one of the Udoo X86 boards for Windows (and Linux, either
natively or through WSL): https://shop.udoo.org/products/x86.html
UDOO X86 II is 10 times more powerful than Raspberry Pi 3, able to
drive up to three 4K screens at the same time

CPU: Intel Celeron N3160 2.24 Ghz
4 GB DDR3L Dual Channel RAM
Intel HD Graphics 400. Up to 640 MHz
32GB eMMC storage
Arduino Leonardo-compatible and compatible with most arduino shields
5V compliant.
IR interface.
LPC - 2 x I2C - GPIOs - Touch Screen support.
Management signals on expansion connector.
RTC Battery + Connector Included.
3 x USB 3.0 type-A sockets.



On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 06:51:45 -0800, "John D Hays - K7VE"
<@john_hays> wrote:

They are completely different hardware. If you ran an emulator it would be
extremely slow.

There are inexpensive native boxes, if you need native Windows or better
find an equivalent Raspbian program.

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 06:08 Peter via Groups.Io <pwnewton42=
yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Anyone know how to run a Windows program on the Pi 4 using RaspBrain
operating system. Most of the advice is to use ExaGear but that is no
longer available, does anyone know of an alternative to use.
73's Peter


Re: My Mobile APRS (MoPi No Longer Dead)

Michael WA7SKG
 

That is the "Official" Raspberry Pi touchscreen. I don't really have anything to compare it to, but it serves the purpose.

Michael WA7SKG


Adam P.N. Leask wrote on 1/20/20 5:01 PM:

I really like your center console set up in your truck!    What 7" touch screen do you use, and are you happy with it?
Adam P.N. Leask, KC7NKP
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 4:36 PM Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@... <mailto:wa7skg@...>> wrote:
In case anyone is interested in this project, here is my mobile APRS
headend so far. Almost ready for final installation in the truck.
The front view is as I will see it from the driver's seat. The little
white pushbutton at the top is to turn the RPi on and off via the MoPi
board. (Black button use is TBD.) The little wireless keyboard is for
occasional data entry and will normally be stored.
The rear views show the arrangement of the boards. On the bottom is the
Raspberry Pi 3B+. On top of that is the TNC-Pi. Topping it off is the
MoPi 2 power board. There is the 12V cable that goes down to the power
distribution block with PowerPoles. The multi-colored jumpers provide
power from the GPIO pins to the 7" touchscreen. The short jumper to the
pushbutton is the start-up/shut-down switch. Kind of kludgy for now. I
hope to neaten it up some later.
The case is a SmartiPi Touch. The base shown in the pictures was just
for use on the bench. The VESA mount shown to the left of the Pi stack
mounts the whole works in the truck. Finally, how it will look in the
truck. This picture was taken in the middle of the Phase III upgrade
before the rest of the equipment was installed.
I hope you find this interesting.
Michael WA7SKG
--
*Adam P.N. Leask*
KC7NKP
IRLP Node #7836 * AllStar Node #48472 * IRLP Reflector #0079


My Mobile APRS (MoPi No Longer Dead)

Michael WA7SKG
 

In case anyone is interested in this project, here is my mobile APRS headend so far. Almost ready for final installation in the truck.

The front view is as I will see it from the driver's seat. The little white pushbutton at the top is to turn the RPi on and off via the MoPi board. (Black button use is TBD.) The little wireless keyboard is for occasional data entry and will normally be stored.

The rear views show the arrangement of the boards. On the bottom is the Raspberry Pi 3B+. On top of that is the TNC-Pi. Topping it off is the MoPi 2 power board. There is the 12V cable that goes down to the power distribution block with PowerPoles. The multi-colored jumpers provide power from the GPIO pins to the 7" touchscreen. The short jumper to the pushbutton is the start-up/shut-down switch. Kind of kludgy for now. I hope to neaten it up some later.

The case is a SmartiPi Touch. The base shown in the pictures was just for use on the bench. The VESA mount shown to the left of the Pi stack mounts the whole works in the truck. Finally, how it will look in the truck. This picture was taken in the middle of the Phase III upgrade before the rest of the equipment was installed.

I hope you find this interesting.

Michael WA7SKG


Re: MoPi 2 Dead?

Terry L. Morris
 

Okay Michael, I was not aware of the specifications of the MoPi from Pimonroni. Thanks for the information.

73, Terry KB8AMZ


Re: Run a Windows program on the Pi 4

Bob Bennett
 

It's not going to work. Not possible. No way. No how.
Nothing to see here .... move on.  ;-)


Re: MoPi 2 Dead?

Michael WA7SKG
 

Terry and Les,

In this application, as mentioned in the original post and title, I am using the MoPi 2 board along with the TNC-Pi hat. The MoPi board takes two inputs from 7-35 volts to provide a regulated 5 volts to the RPi and accessories. The MoPi board also can take a charger input to charge batteries connected to one or both inputs. There is an option to switch a relay for higher current requirements. Also, it has a pushbutton for start-up and shut-down. It has battery monitoring and logging and will automatically perform a clean shutdown of the RPi in the event of low voltage. A very handy accessory for mobile or tactical environments.

I hope that explains it for you.

Michael WA7SKG

Terry L. Morris wrote on 1/20/20 8:34 AM:

Les, you are correct. Pi's should be powered with 5V at least 2.4 amps not 12V.


Re: MoPi 2 Dead?

Michael WA7SKG
 

I held the start button multiple times for 2-5 or so seconds. After leaving it for a while, it just started working. I think I have the "Safe Discharge" set for 10 volts. The power supply puts out a pretty steady 13.6V.

I bought the extended header from Adafruit. All this is mounted in a SmartiPi Touch case with the 7" touch screen. The SMartiPi case has a hold-down over the RPi to secure it and hats fasten to the hold-down. For everything to fit properly, I put the TNC-Pi on first, then the extended header and the MoPi board. The SmartiPi case has a little LEGO socket on the top, so I just put a small LEGO piece on there and drilled holes for a couple push buttons. One of those goes to the startup/shutdown button.

I ran jumpers from the 7" touch screen to the header pins on the MoPi board to power the monitor. Seems to work well.

Michael WA7SKG


Daniel Holmes wrote on 1/20/20 6:26 AM:

The MoPi runs on 12V (well a wider range, but this is what we are using it for) and supplies 5V to the Pi.
For startup, how long did you hold in the power button? I think it needs 2-3 seconds before it powers up the Pi. And what’s the “safe discharge” setting in the library? Thirdly, did you solder a socket to the MoPi, or just stick it onto the GPIO board of the Pi? I haven’t had good luck just sticking it on, I needed to buy a header.
Dan
--
. Please pardon any mispelings or errors.

On Jan 20, 2020, at 5:52 AM, Les Keegan via Groups.Io <l_keegan=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


I thought Pi's only need 5 volts to run not 12. Is that right?

Les Keegan
N4LPK

On Sunday, January 19, 2020, 11:27:18 PM EST, Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...> wrote:


After sitting for a few hours, tried again and it come right up. I hope
this is not a continued reliability issue.

Michael WA7SKG


Michael WA7SKG wrote on 1/19/20 6:45 PM:
I am putting together a mobile APRS station. I have an RPi3B+, a
TNC-Pi,
and a MoPi 2 power board all mounted in a SmartiPi Touch case on a 7"
monitor. I put it all together the other day, plugged it into my 12V
power supply and fired it up. Everything ran great. I shut everything
off and let it sit for a couple days. When I plugged it in today, I get
nothing. There are several LEDs on the MoPi 2 board that are
supposed to
indicate when power is connected. They worked fine the other day,
nothing now. I checked power to the board and voltage is proper on the
board input connectors. I removed the board for the RPi and plugged it
in again. From the basic schematic in the manual, it looks like the
supply LEDs should light as soon as 12V is applied, regardless of other
configuration. I can find no kind of troubleshooting information on
this.

Has anybody set up one of these? Any ideas? I can't find much on the
way
of documentation other than a basic installation guide.

It would be very annoying to have this thing fail on the second
power up.

tnx es 73,
Michael WA7SKG


Re: Run a Windows program on the Pi 4

Tony
 

On 1/20/20 6:08 AM, Peter via Groups.Io wrote:

Anyone know how to run a Windows program on the Pi 4 using RaspBrain operating system. Most of the advice is to use ExaGear but that is no longer available, does anyone know of an alternative to use.


You might wish to try Pi386:
http://raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=226376


Re: MoPi 2 Dead?

Jim Gifford - K9AGR
 

The Pi needs 5V, the MoPi 2 takes 6.5V to 24V and provides the 5V to the Pi.

Details can be found at:

My MoPi 2 units just arrived recently, and I haven't had a chance to play with them yet.

On Jan 20, 2020, at 7:52 AM, Les Keegan via Groups.Io <l_keegan@...> wrote:

I thought Pi's only need 5 volts to run not 12. Is that right?

Les Keegan
N4LPK

On Sunday, January 19, 2020, 11:27:18 PM EST, Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...> wrote:


After sitting for a few hours, tried again and it come right up. I hope
this is not a continued reliability issue.

Michael WA7SKG


Michael WA7SKG wrote on 1/19/20 6:45 PM:
> I am putting together a mobile APRS station. I have an RPi3B+, a TNC-Pi,
> and a MoPi 2 power board all mounted in a SmartiPi Touch case on a 7"
> monitor. I put it all together the other day, plugged it into my 12V
> power supply and fired it up. Everything ran great. I shut everything
> off and let it sit for a couple days. When I plugged it in today, I get
> nothing. There are several LEDs on the MoPi 2 board that are supposed to
> indicate when power is connected. They worked fine the other day,
> nothing now. I checked power to the board and voltage is proper on the
> board input connectors. I removed the board for the RPi and plugged it
> in again. From the basic schematic in the manual, it looks like the
> supply LEDs should light as soon as 12V is applied, regardless of other
> configuration. I can find no kind of troubleshooting information on this.
>
> Has anybody set up one of these? Any ideas? I can't find much on the way
> of documentation other than a basic installation guide.
>
> It would be very annoying to have this thing fail on the second power up.
>
> tnx es 73,
> Michael WA7SKG
>





Re: Run a Windows program on the Pi 4

Terry L. Morris
 

Not familiar with the RaspBrain operating system. I use the Raspian operating system. Is the Windows program you want to run on a Raspberry Pi compatible with the ARM CPU? You might try wine on Raspian but be aware that many Windows programs don't run well in an emulator and run slow if they run at all.


Re: MoPi 2 Dead?

Terry L. Morris
 

Les, you are correct. Pi's should be powered with 5V at least 2.4 amps not 12V.


Re: Run a Windows program on the Pi 4

 

They are completely different hardware. If you ran an emulator it would be extremely slow. 

There are inexpensive native boxes, if you need native Windows or better find an equivalent Raspbian program. 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 06:08 Peter via Groups.Io <pwnewton42=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Anyone know how to run a Windows program on the Pi 4 using RaspBrain operating system. Most of the advice is to use ExaGear but that is no longer available, does anyone know of an alternative to use.
73's Peter


Re: Run a Windows program on the Pi 4

Dave Wade
 

Peter,

It looks like you may be able to use Wine but may need a kernel re-build. I haven’t tried this…

 

https://www.novaspirit.com/2019/04/15/run-x86-arm/

 

Dave

G4UGM

 

 

 

From: RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio@groups.io <RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter via Groups.Io
Sent: 20 January 2020 14:09
To: RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio@groups.io
Subject: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] Run a Windows program on the Pi 4

 

Anyone know how to run a Windows program on the Pi 4 using RaspBrain operating system. Most of the advice is to use ExaGear but that is no longer available, does anyone know of an alternative to use.
73's Peter


Re: MoPi 2 Dead?

Daniel Holmes
 

The MoPi runs on 12V (well a wider range, but this is what we are using it for) and supplies 5V to the Pi.

For startup, how long did you hold in the power button? I think it needs 2-3 seconds before it powers up the Pi. And what’s the “safe discharge” setting in the library? Thirdly, did you solder a socket to the MoPi, or just stick it onto the GPIO board of the Pi? I haven’t had good luck just sticking it on, I needed to buy a header. 

Dan

--
. Please pardon any mispelings or errors.


On Jan 20, 2020, at 5:52 AM, Les Keegan via Groups.Io <l_keegan@...> wrote:


I thought Pi's only need 5 volts to run not 12. Is that right?

Les Keegan
N4LPK

On Sunday, January 19, 2020, 11:27:18 PM EST, Michael WA7SKG <wa7skg@...> wrote:


After sitting for a few hours, tried again and it come right up. I hope
this is not a continued reliability issue.

Michael WA7SKG


Michael WA7SKG wrote on 1/19/20 6:45 PM:
> I am putting together a mobile APRS station. I have an RPi3B+, a TNC-Pi,
> and a MoPi 2 power board all mounted in a SmartiPi Touch case on a 7"
> monitor. I put it all together the other day, plugged it into my 12V
> power supply and fired it up. Everything ran great. I shut everything
> off and let it sit for a couple days. When I plugged it in today, I get
> nothing. There are several LEDs on the MoPi 2 board that are supposed to
> indicate when power is connected. They worked fine the other day,
> nothing now. I checked power to the board and voltage is proper on the
> board input connectors. I removed the board for the RPi and plugged it
> in again. From the basic schematic in the manual, it looks like the
> supply LEDs should light as soon as 12V is applied, regardless of other
> configuration. I can find no kind of troubleshooting information on this.
>
> Has anybody set up one of these? Any ideas? I can't find much on the way
> of documentation other than a basic installation guide.
>
> It would be very annoying to have this thing fail on the second power up.
>
> tnx es 73,
> Michael WA7SKG
>