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Re: Transmit message <...>0/zzzzzzzz in WSJT-x using W3DJS image window is too large for 7 inch screen

Dennis Blanchard
 

Actually, I am using the official 7" screen, but I don't think it really matters. I haven't tried the VNC thing, I'll give that a go at some point though.

As I noted, it did work properly with the V1.0 HamPi distro, but doesn't in V2.0, for whatever reason. It could be a WSJT-x issue. I'm no expert. I can live with until a solution comes along.

As for the <...>/zzzzzz thing, I was actually transmitting that for my call letter, it was ignoring my call in the setup window. Weird. I'm not certain if you meant you had it for your transmitted call, or you've seen it go by in something you see in the receive pattern. Maybe you saw me transmitting Hi Hi.

Thanks

Dennis, K1YPP


locked Re: Threads and HamPi Licensing #hampi

Jerome Kutche
 

I locked several HamPi Threads, I may have or not have an issue with them, Did not have time to read all the posts just yet,. For now. I may decide to 1) Leave them Locked. 2) Unlock them. 3) May delete them. I am back to work. and will look at further later. Thanks for everyone's understanding.  and Thank EVERYONE for being a member.. 73 Jerry N9LYA


locked Threads and HamPi Licensing #hampi

Jerome Kutche
 

Hello Members. It had been brought to my attention the many  posts concerning HamPi Licensing as well as posts that are inflammatory. 

Good day members.. I am making a hasty post due to work constraints. however please note all below..

Steps I am taking and asking all moderators to back. Remove or disapprove of any posts concerning HamPi Licensing it does not need to be discussed here. 
Anyone wanting to discuss HamPi you have options.. 1) Subscribe to my new Group. Ham-Pi+subscribe@groups.io
2) Private message.3) USPOSTAL SERVICE. 
For the record I agree with John Wiseman's original Plan. But willing to work things out. To a point. All HamPi Licensing posts will be deleted if Approved. I ask they be unapproved. (Moderators) 
Do not expect a deleted thread that is resurrected to NOT be deleted. I try to go with the FREE SPEECH thing. 
Additionally I expect all personal attacks on ANYONE by ANYONE to not be approved. With further actions taken if needed. If someone has a heated opinion and you feel it is not a personal attack approve away. I have no issues with heated replies, as long as they are both not personal and not profane.

Again all Posts on the Topic of HamPi Licensing to be disapproved or deleted. 

I was asked a few weeks ago by a few members to block all Posts about HamPi. I do not feel this is a good idea.. Maybe I was wrong. But for now I will leave HamPi open. Just not HamPi Licensing. and ask that most of the HamPi Discussion be moved to my other group. There are 4 members there already and I asked them if they would like to be moderators.. They have first DIBS.. 
I personally feel HamPi is on Topic here to a degree since this is RPi-4-Ham Radio. Group.. it is kind of on topic. ??? But feel it has grown to merit its own Group.

Please be considerate of others. This is not a final word, Further steps may be taken if needed. 

I am open to comments but please send them direct RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio+owner@groups.io. and Allow 72 hours for a response. I am working 1st and 3rd Shifts at work 7 days a week  right now, and on call on 2nd shift. Appreciate everyone's hard work. and Understanding.

Lets move along in a positive way. 73 Jerry N9LYA 


locked Re: More thoughts on Open Source software

John Nicholas
 

Dave,

Thank you for the reminder that threads can be muted.  Unfortunately it doesn’t work when a list member feels they are above the rest of us by posting;

It looks like the admins did disable the original thread, so I'll just start my own…

73

de ZEoZUW John

On Jul 10, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:

I will add that when there is a topic that’s flooding your mailbox you are not interested in it, then there is a "mute thread" button at the bottom of each e-mail.


locked Re: More thoughts on Open Source software

Sterling Mann
 

When I first read the license, I thought the BOINC thing was cool (while odd) but concerns of it running too hot, using "precious" SD card writes, and the fact my little pi puts out a fraction of the effort as my gaming/video editing PC on idle (which is currently going towards folding@home considering the needs of the world right now) led me astray. In the interests of not getting sued for not letting it compute for BOINC, I chose to abandon this project in favor of KM4ACK's (licenseless) pi-build - https://github.com/km4ack/pi-build (video series at  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1SEgPFQk4M&list=PL1QTYT4Qo9cYb8-YkItrM_cQL6EdwRqWj).

-Sterling N0SSC


On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 9:32 AM Jeff Palmer via groups.io <jeff=palmerit.net@groups.io> wrote:
Cool man,

Stop using HamPi, if thats what you feel is the right move.   It's a
freedom you enjoy to make that decision for yourself. No real need to
announce it.
Stop seeding the BT, if you feel that is the right move. It's a
freedom you enjoy to make that decision for yourself. No real need to
announce it.

I, for one, will continue seeding along with the other 40+ seeders,
because I feel it's the right move.  It's a freedom *I* enjoy to make
that decision for myself.

However,  the admins have made it very clear that this group is not
the appropriate place to debate Licensing intricacies,  so much so,
that they locked the original thread (as you are aware by
acknowledging it in your post.) Maybe we should respect their wishes?

Admins -  Can we go ahead and kill this thread too? Before it becomes "a thing"



On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 10:06 AM Kevin Zembower via groups.io
<kzembower=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:¨

>
> It looks like the admins did disable the original thread, so I'll just start my own...
>
> I agree with those opposed to the mandatory use of BOINC in the HamPi distribution. I believe that the distributor's license, while unenforceable, is also contrary to the spirit and letter of Open Source software, in demanding that I use my computing resources for something I may or may not support.
>
> I have erased the HamPi distrubution and will not use it. Furthermore, as one of the BitTorrent feeds, I will no longer participate in distributing HamPi.
>
> -Kevin
> KC3KZ
>



--
Jeff Palmer
Palmer IT Consulting, LLC.
https://PalmerIT.net




A gentle reminder.

 

At the bottom of each email sent out from groups.io is a link to mute a topic.

If a topic is not interesting to you, please feel free to use that link to mute it and you will not receive emails concerning that thread.

Thank you.


locked Re: More thoughts on Open Source software

Dave Wade
 

Folks,

I too think this has run its course and will be happy to see it muted,
I will add that when there is a topic that’s flooding your mailbox you are not interested in it, then there is a "mute thread" button at the bottom of each e-mail.
If you have forgotten or not set a password, then when you use the "mute" link groups.io will offer to e-mail you a link to log-in without a password so that couldn't be simpler.
You can use this feature any time you need to access the Network.

Dave
G4UGM

-----Original Message-----
From: RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio@groups.io <RaspberryPi-4-
HamRadio@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Palmer via groups.io
Sent: 10 July 2020 15:27
To: RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RaspberryPi-4-HamRadio] More thoughts on Open Source
software

Cool man,

Stop using HamPi, if thats what you feel is the right move. It's a
freedom you enjoy to make that decision for yourself. No real need to
announce it.
Stop seeding the BT, if you feel that is the right move. It's a freedom you
enjoy to make that decision for yourself. No real need to announce it.

I, for one, will continue seeding along with the other 40+ seeders, because I
feel it's the right move. It's a freedom *I* enjoy to make that decision for
myself.

However, the admins have made it very clear that this group is not the
appropriate place to debate Licensing intricacies, so much so, that they
locked the original thread (as you are aware by acknowledging it in your
post.) Maybe we should respect their wishes?

Admins - Can we go ahead and kill this thread too? Before it becomes "a
thing"



On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 10:06 AM Kevin Zembower via groups.io
<kzembower=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:¨


It looks like the admins did disable the original thread, so I'll just start my
own...

I agree with those opposed to the mandatory use of BOINC in the HamPi
distribution. I believe that the distributor's license, while unenforceable, is
also contrary to the spirit and letter of Open Source software, in demanding
that I use my computing resources for something I may or may not support.

I have erased the HamPi distrubution and will not use it. Furthermore, as
one of the BitTorrent feeds, I will no longer participate in distributing HamPi.

-Kevin
KC3KZ


--
Jeff Palmer
Palmer IT Consulting, LLC.
https://PalmerIT.net


Moderation of this list

John G8BPQ
 

I unilaterally decided perhaps rather heavy handedly to shut down discussions that were getting out of hand as I was unable to contact the group owner.  It looks like other moderators don't agree with this and are approving the messages. That is of course their right.

73,
John G8BPQ


locked Re: Disabling Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC)

Siegfried Jackstien
 

for me the readme should say hey this is a raspian (or whatever its name is) image with this and this and this ham app installed

feel free to add another ham app that you think you may need cause linux ... and those ham apps are open source and free

THAT IS WHAT IT SHOULD SAY IN MY VIEW ... not?!?

dg9bfc sigi


Am 10.07.2020 um 01:20 schrieb thegadget techie:

PERFECT!

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 4:26 PM Mark Griffith via groups.io <mdgriffith2003=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
So let me see if I got this right....

You create an OS image, using the freely available open source Raspbian software (or whatever is the new name), then load it with lots of freely available ham related apps, and a few others that are important to you (also freely available).  Then you promote this as a ham radio image with everything a ham could want, but put in there a README file that says you have to use it as it as created, can't change or remove anything, or you can't use it.  Is that right?

How do we know there isn't some Trojan horse software in there also collecting data and sending it to some anonymous web site for you to use?  So perhaps you ARE tracking who has downloaded this and is using it so in the future some sort of request for a donation will pop up on the screen?

Just curious.

Mark
KD0QYN


On Thursday, July 9, 2020, 4:24:07 PM CDT, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:


On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 05:20 PM, Dave Wade wrote:

I wonder how many of the 6000 have read the licence?

Why not put it in the list of software?

I wonder if you have read the README, because it's in there. I knew that trolls would harass me if I didn't put it there. And even though I put it there, I'm still getting harassed by trolls.
 
--
- Dave
  W3DJS


locked Re: More thoughts on Open Source software

Jeff Palmer
 

Cool man,

Stop using HamPi, if thats what you feel is the right move. It's a
freedom you enjoy to make that decision for yourself. No real need to
announce it.
Stop seeding the BT, if you feel that is the right move. It's a
freedom you enjoy to make that decision for yourself. No real need to
announce it.

I, for one, will continue seeding along with the other 40+ seeders,
because I feel it's the right move. It's a freedom *I* enjoy to make
that decision for myself.

However, the admins have made it very clear that this group is not
the appropriate place to debate Licensing intricacies, so much so,
that they locked the original thread (as you are aware by
acknowledging it in your post.) Maybe we should respect their wishes?

Admins - Can we go ahead and kill this thread too? Before it becomes "a thing"



On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 10:06 AM Kevin Zembower via groups.io
<kzembower=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:¨


It looks like the admins did disable the original thread, so I'll just start my own...

I agree with those opposed to the mandatory use of BOINC in the HamPi distribution. I believe that the distributor's license, while unenforceable, is also contrary to the spirit and letter of Open Source software, in demanding that I use my computing resources for something I may or may not support.

I have erased the HamPi distrubution and will not use it. Furthermore, as one of the BitTorrent feeds, I will no longer participate in distributing HamPi.

-Kevin
KC3KZ


--
Jeff Palmer
Palmer IT Consulting, LLC.
https://PalmerIT.net


locked More thoughts on Open Source software

Kevin Zembower <kzembower@...>
 

It looks like the admins did disable the original thread, so I'll just start my own...

I agree with those opposed to the mandatory use of BOINC in the HamPi distribution. I believe that the distributor's license, while unenforceable, is also contrary to the spirit and letter of Open Source software, in demanding that I use my computing resources for something I may or may not support.

I have erased the HamPi distrubution and will not use it. Furthermore, as one of the BitTorrent feeds, I will no longer participate in distributing HamPi.

-Kevin
KC3KZ


SDRpi

Ron Liekens
 

I just installed a radio image based on Vanilla OS for the Raspbery Pi called SDRpi. It runs fine wit several well known SDR's. Just see the home page for the details.

https://pisdr.luigifreitas.me/

73' Ron
on2ron


Re: Transmit message <...>0/zzzzzzzz in WSJT-x using W3DJS image window is too large for 7 inch screen

James French
 

I had a kind of the same issue here but I am not using the official 7" screen either.

I tried to resize the screen initially but for some reason I can't explain, it would not take. I finally tried resizing the screen while I was using it through vnc. The normal screen was off at the time. It took and held.

Using the pre-hampi distro.

Hope this helps some.

James W8ISS

P.S. = I do see the <....>/zzzzz and a callsign once in awhile. Had no issues though.


locked Re: Disabling Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC)

John G8BPQ
 

Good Idea.

All posts are now moderated. Any referring to this issue will be deleted without notice.

I apologise for the possible delay to useful messages but this is not the place to discuss the merits of taking GPL'd software, incorporating it into you own product, and distributing under a more restrictive licence.

73,
John G8BPQ

On 10/07/2020 02:00, Ray Wells wrote:
Can somebody in admin block this ongoing crap? We've all reached saturation point.

Ray vk2tv

On 10/7/20 10:16 am, N5XMT wrote:
Take off the tinfoil hat.  Again, if you don't like the licensing, don't use it.  Pretty simple.
Maybe stop acting like the snowflake BLM protestors and act like an adult

Get BlueMail for Android <http://www.bluemail.me/r?b=15894>
On Jul 9, 2020, at 16:26, "Mark Griffith via groups.io <http://groups.io>" <yahoo.com <mailto:mdgriffith2003=<a>@groups.io target=_blank>mdgriffith2003=yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com>@groups.io> wrote:

    So let me see if I got this right....

    You create an OS image, using the freely available open source
    Raspbian software (or whatever is the new name), then load it with
    lots of freely available ham related apps, and a few others that
    are important to you (also freely available).  Then you promote
    this as a ham radio image with everything a ham could want, but
    put in there a README file that says you have to use it as it as
    created, can't change or remove anything, or you can't use it.  Is
    that right?

    How do we know there isn't some Trojan horse software in there
    also collecting data and sending it to some anonymous web site for
    you to use?  So perhaps you ARE tracking who has downloaded this
    and is using it so in the future some sort of request for a
    donation will pop up on the screen?

    Just curious.

    Mark
    KD0QYN


    On Thursday, July 9, 2020, 4:24:07 PM CDT, Dave Slotter, W3DJS
    <slotter@gmail.com> wrote:


    On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 05:20 PM, Dave Wade wrote:

        I wonder how many of the 6000 have read the licence?

        Why not put it in the list of software?

    I wonder if you have read the README, because /it's in there/. I
    knew that trolls would harass me if I didn't put it there. And
    even though I put it there, I'm still getting harassed by trolls.

    --     - Dave
    W3DJS <https://www.qrz.com/db/W3DJS>



locked Re: Disabling Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC)

N3RDR
 

I have. And google’s. And apple’s, and Verizon’s, and almost everything I have a choice to do so.

On Jul 9, 2020, at 11:02 PM, Bob Bennett via groups.io <bobsmacbox@...> wrote:

If anyone has read the yahoo main EULA please raise your handEmojiEmoji


locked Re: Disabling Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC)

Bob Bennett
 

If anyone has read the yahoo main EULA please raise your handEmojiEmoji


locked Re: Disabling Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC)

the gadget techie
 

PERFECT!


On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 4:26 PM Mark Griffith via groups.io <mdgriffith2003=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
So let me see if I got this right....

You create an OS image, using the freely available open source Raspbian software (or whatever is the new name), then load it with lots of freely available ham related apps, and a few others that are important to you (also freely available).  Then you promote this as a ham radio image with everything a ham could want, but put in there a README file that says you have to use it as it as created, can't change or remove anything, or you can't use it.  Is that right?

How do we know there isn't some Trojan horse software in there also collecting data and sending it to some anonymous web site for you to use?  So perhaps you ARE tracking who has downloaded this and is using it so in the future some sort of request for a donation will pop up on the screen?

Just curious.

Mark
KD0QYN


On Thursday, July 9, 2020, 4:24:07 PM CDT, Dave Slotter, W3DJS <slotter@...> wrote:


On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 05:20 PM, Dave Wade wrote:

I wonder how many of the 6000 have read the licence?

Why not put it in the list of software?

I wonder if you have read the README, because it's in there. I knew that trolls would harass me if I didn't put it there. And even though I put it there, I'm still getting harassed by trolls.
 
--
- Dave
  W3DJS


locked Re: Disabling Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC)

the gadget techie
 

nicely said ... proprietary packaging..
just like the linux distro wars that have been going on for 25 years.


On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 3:00 PM N5XMT <dacooley@...> wrote:
He also debugged and created generic configurations for the packages so others would have to take hours upon hours to "fix" some of the packages that only half-assed ran or wouldn't run at all..

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 2:33 PM Nigel Gunn, G8IFF/W8IFF <nigel@...> wrote:
Are you an author that spent months writing an original work or just the assembler of other peoples work into a new format.
I would suggest that the vast majority of your "work" was just the assembly of other's effort into your own distro.




locked Re: Disabling Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC)

John Nicholas
 

Wow! What a bunch of arm chair lawyers and 3 year olds.

1. If you don’t want to follow a license, don’t use the software.

2. Just because you got your undies in a knot; others do not! Don’t try to tie mine up in your knot.

3. If you don’t like it, don’t plug this list for those of us that want to learn.

So take your marbles home and leave the rest of us alone.

73

de KEoZUW - John


locked Re: Disabling Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC)

Cowan Bowman
 

Thank you thegadget techie for your informative and civil contribution to the thread.

73
Cowan
N5QDH

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