Need some ideas


Trogdor <khart78@...>
 

I want to start a "this day in racing history" feature at my weekly
show.

So far my research has not turned up anything that "ready made".

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks

Kelly Hart
Skagit Speedway


wiskersok <wiskersok@...>
 

--- In RacingHistory@..., "Trogdor" <khart78@y...> wrote:
I want to start a "this day in racing history" feature at my
weekly
show.

So far my research has not turned up anything that "ready made".

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks

Kelly Hart
Skagit Speedway
You might try asking Chris Economacki, they have run a "racing
History" spot for years in their paper.
Den


David Schmidt <dschmdt@...>
 

if you look at the rec.autosport.indy newsgroup (aka rasi) and can find Mike
Stucker, he used to do a "this week in motorsport history" column. Maybe he
can help.
Smitty

----- Original Message -----
From: "wiskersok" <wiskersok@...>
To: <RacingHistory@...>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:28 AM
Subject: [RH] Re: Need some ideas


--- In RacingHistory@..., "Trogdor" <khart78@y...> wrote:
I want to start a "this day in racing history" feature at my
weekly
show.

So far my research has not turned up anything that "ready made".

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks

Kelly Hart
Skagit Speedway
You might try asking Chris Economacki, they have run a "racing
History" spot for years in their paper.
Den




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David Reininger
 

David Schmidt wrote:

if you look at the rec.autosport.indy newsgroup (aka rasi) and can find Mike
Stucker, he used to do a "this week in motorsport history" column. Maybe he
can help.
Motorsport.com evolved from the Usenet newsgroup rec.autos.sport.info
towards the end of 1993. Moving to the world wide web in 1994 presented
a lot of problems. Obviously, getting a good URL wasn't one of them. We
could of had anything we wanted, motorsport or motorsports.com.

Since we knew we would spend the next few years explaining what the
web was, we went with the name "Motorsport News International."

By 1996, eveyone had heard of the web so we started discussions regarding
changing the name to Motorsport.com. I don't remember when the name actually
changed to Motorsport.com.

Enough history, Mike Stucker's "This Week in Racing" started in November of
1996 and ran through 1997. For some reason, I contributed many of the
land speed records for those columns (I had just met Craig Breedlove).

Everything at Motorsport.com is archived. Check for "This week in Racing"
under the MISC heading starting in 1996.

One more note, AARWBA awarded Motorsport.com with website of the
year for 2003.

-Dave Reininger
-Herndon, VA


unions@...
 

Also, our own Jim Thurman is a frequent contributor to the "On this day in
motorsports history" thread in AtlasF1's Nostalgia Forum:
http://forums.atlasf1.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51575

Earl


Trogdor <khart78@...>
 

Thank you for the great referrals groupies. I appreciate your help.
Kelly

--- In RacingHistory@..., unions@l... wrote:
Also, our own Jim Thurman is a frequent contributor to the "On
this day in
motorsports history" thread in AtlasF1's Nostalgia Forum:
http://forums.atlasf1.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51575

Earl


Bob Storck
 

unions@... wrote:

Also, our own Jim Thurman is a frequent contributor to the "On this
day in motorsports history" thread
My biggest suggestion would be to create your own list. I'll admit that
I get quite chuffed when I put a lot of work into assembling some facts,
and then someone co-opts them, at least implying they did the work. (I
had done a LOT of work detailing auto company support to the 9-11 rescue
efforts, and then had a major PR firm use it without attribution, it
even appearing in the NY Times, credited to the PR firm -- then they
denied copying my list!)

Bottom line, if you want to be respected as a journalist, do your own
work, or at least give liberal credit where it is due.

I did a "Disaster" calendar in the 60s, mainly "If you thought your day
was going bad . . ." type theme. It was a lot less effort than I
thought; no internet, just a couple evenings of library research.
Started with listing disasters and then looking up the date. Then
looking over almanacs, etc. Only had about three dates that were hard to
fill, and wound up making up something humorous for the final one.

Remarkably, printed up a few hundred as gifts and jokes, and found them
in great demand. Did a second printing and came out ahead.

Did a calendar for Smithsonian gang, listing aviation events. Found
thousands without trying hard. Wound up the first year making a list of
everything we could think of, and found multiples for just about every
date. Kept adding to the list, and easily had 10K items filed by date.
The third year, we listed the big things like Wright flight, Lindbergh
NYP, etc in color at the top, but at the bottom of each date box, listed
a "first flight" or a record. The next year, we had births and deaths.
Then we did important US civil aviation dates, etc.

Rather than rob other folks stuff, use them for feed info, and give them
credit, and make up your own list. It can be fun.

Cheers, Bob


bpratt <bpratt@...>
 

Kelly,
atlasf1.com has a nostalgia forum that includes that sort of thing. I believe Jim Thurman of this list is providing the info. You might want to clear it with him before you start using the information as Jim has worked pretty hard to put together.
Brian Pratt
Burnaby, BC, Canada
p.s., July 16, 1965 Willard Alex won the modified A main at Skagit Speedway, July 17, 1965 Ken Gardiner won the modified A main at Sky Valley Speedway and Dick Bray won the early-late main at Evergreen Speedway. I went the the Everett library last Saturday on my way to Evergreen and did July 1965. I've managed to get a season of info for 1963 and 1964 done. Not much on Skagit in those years but plenty on Sky Valley and Evergreen.

Trogdor wrote:

I want to start a "this day in racing history" feature at my weekly show.
So far my research has not turned up anything that "ready made".
Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks
Kelly Hart
Skagit Speedway


Michael T. Lynch <provamo@...>
 

I would like to second Bob Storck's thoughts. If you don't have a
collection of magazines or books, borrow some and do some original research.
Remember, stealing from one source is plagerism, stealing from several is
research. It sounds like you want to use other peoples ideas and pass them
off for your own. Not a good idea. Look up the dates of races you've heard
about that were exceptional and then you have some info to use on that date.
Look up the dates of death of outstanding motorsport personalities and you
have some more dates, etc., etc, etc. Shortcuts are what's wrong with
history today. Think, how do you want your stuff to be viewed by real
historians. If you don't care, continue down your road.
Michael T. Lynch

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Storck" <bstorck@...>
To: <RacingHistory@...>
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [RH] Re: Need some ideas




unions@... wrote:

Also, our own Jim Thurman is a frequent contributor to the "On this
day in motorsports history" thread
My biggest suggestion would be to create your own list. I'll admit that
I get quite chuffed when I put a lot of work into assembling some facts,
and then someone co-opts them, at least implying they did the work. (I
had done a LOT of work detailing auto company support to the 9-11 rescue
efforts, and then had a major PR firm use it without attribution, it
even appearing in the NY Times, credited to the PR firm -- then they
denied copying my list!)

Bottom line, if you want to be respected as a journalist, do your own
work, or at least give liberal credit where it is due.

I did a "Disaster" calendar in the 60s, mainly "If you thought your day
was going bad . . ." type theme. It was a lot less effort than I
thought; no internet, just a couple evenings of library research.
Started with listing disasters and then looking up the date. Then
looking over almanacs, etc. Only had about three dates that were hard to
fill, and wound up making up something humorous for the final one.

Remarkably, printed up a few hundred as gifts and jokes, and found them
in great demand. Did a second printing and came out ahead.

Did a calendar for Smithsonian gang, listing aviation events. Found
thousands without trying hard. Wound up the first year making a list of
everything we could think of, and found multiples for just about every
date. Kept adding to the list, and easily had 10K items filed by date.
The third year, we listed the big things like Wright flight, Lindbergh
NYP, etc in color at the top, but at the bottom of each date box, listed
a "first flight" or a record. The next year, we had births and deaths.
Then we did important US civil aviation dates, etc.

Rather than rob other folks stuff, use them for feed info, and give them
credit, and make up your own list. It can be fun.

Cheers, Bob


ooslchisox <ooslchisox@...>
 

Each month, Racer magazine publishes a list of racing birthdays and
death dates.

Mike


bpratt <bpratt@...>
 

By the way, what is your "weekly show"? Something on radio?
Brian Pratt
Burnaby, BC, Canada

Trogdor wrote:

I want to start a "this day in racing history" feature at my weekly show.


Bob Storck
 

"Michael T. Lynch" wrote:

Remember, stealing from one source is plagerism, stealing from several
is research. Shortcuts are what's wrong with
history today.
My strongest irritant is how much bad information has become accepted as
historical fact, merely because it is repeated and regurgitated by those
who don't do good research and fact checking. It's great that so much
lore is being broadcast on cable TV, but I've yet to see anything that
is evenhandedly presented, and usually with some form of advocacy or
revisionary bias . . . especially where the military is involved.
Recently I saw a show purported to offer a history of the F-4 Phantom,
and found that it was mainly associated with the USAF development of
air-to-air tactics in VN. Despite mentioning that the AF didn't have
suitable fighters when VN began, they never mentioned that the aircraft
was first developed by the Navy, and coopted by the AF ten years down
the road.

Cheers, Bob


Cliff Manley <cliff.manley@...>
 

Doesn't matter how you tell the story as long as it is a good story...sorry
my cynical Journo side coming out.

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Storck [mailto:bstorck@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:10 PM
To: RacingHistory@...
Subject: Re: [RH] Re: Need some ideas



"Michael T. Lynch" wrote:

Remember, stealing from one source is plagerism, stealing from several
is research. Shortcuts are what's wrong with
history today.
My strongest irritant is how much bad information has become accepted as
historical fact, merely because it is repeated and regurgitated by those
who don't do good research and fact checking. It's great that so much
lore is being broadcast on cable TV, but I've yet to see anything that
is evenhandedly presented, and usually with some form of advocacy or
revisionary bias . . . especially where the military is involved.
Recently I saw a show purported to offer a history of the F-4 Phantom,
and found that it was mainly associated with the USAF development of
air-to-air tactics in VN. Despite mentioning that the AF didn't have
suitable fighters when VN began, they never mentioned that the aircraft
was first developed by the Navy, and coopted by the AF ten years down
the road.

Cheers, Bob



Bob Storck
 

Cliff Manley wrote:

Doesn't matter how you tell the story as long as it is a good
story...sorry my cynical Journo side coming out.
Aha!

Now I better understand what passes for journalism today.

I've always been amazed how politicians from opposing parties can look
at the same event or set of figures, and discover completely different
"facts" or results.

Cheers, Bob


David Schmidt <dschmdt@...>
 

Bob,
this goes back to the Civil War between the States. Look up "dime store
novels" and "yellow journalism" in any high school history book. Didn't
matter what was printed as long as THE STORY SOLD ITSELF ! This is how we
have the "true story of Jesse James", "Wild Bill Hickock", and other western
hroes and villians. A chap named Hearst promoted a ton of this tripe.
Smitty

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Storck" <bstorck@...>
To: <RacingHistory@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 7:00 AM
Subject: Re: [RH] Re: Need some ideas




Cliff Manley wrote:

Doesn't matter how you tell the story as long as it is a good
story...sorry my cynical Journo side coming out.
Aha!

Now I better understand what passes for journalism today.

I've always been amazed how politicians from opposing parties can look
at the same event or set of figures, and discover completely different
"facts" or results.

Cheers, Bob


Bob Storck
 

David Schmidt wrote:

Bob,
this goes back to the Civil War between the States. Look up "dime
store novels" and "yellow journalism" in any high school history book.
Ah, but there was always a difference between "yellow journalism"
tabloids and real reporting. If you got a Hearst paper, you could expect
hype (btw, that's the way I always spelled it!). You could expect
responsible journalism out of the respectable papers.

Today, competition and ratings seem to rule, to say nothing of biases of
publishers and editors.

Perhaps the last things that I trust these days are high school history
books. Advocacy groups have snuck into the text publishing business,
finding it fertile ground to advance their agendas to unsullied minds.
And politically correct school boards have played right into their
hands, neutering poetry, historical accounts, literature in texts and
school libraries.

If you don't believe me, compare your youngsters texts with those you
had in the 50s and before..

Cheers, Bob