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NS RTTY this Thursday

Ken K6MR
 

Greetings Diddlers:

Combining the 3830 reports with a couple of non-reporting stations put us into double digits.  Welcome back to W4EIS/5 who has been gone for a few months.

 

The upcoming weekend has the BARTG RTTY Sprint for your fun and entertainment.  A couple of reminders:  No signal report in this exchange, just serial number.  And for you N1MM aficionados, the proper contest is BARTGRTTYS.

 

And thanks to K8JT for submitting the scoring bug that has been in N1MM+ for NSRTTYDUPE and SPRINTLADD for a while.  It is fixed in the latest release.

So if you need to check things out before the weekend, please join us and keep those keyboarding skills up to snuff:

 

The details for our little get together this week:

Friday,  24 Jan 2020, 0145Z - 0215Z (Thursday, 23 Jan 2020  in NA)
-- 1745 - 1815 PST
-- 2045 - 2115 EST
-- (others in-between those two)
-- 160: Around 1805  (Last two to five minutes seem to be popular…)
-- 80/40/20/15 +84 kHz up from the band edge   <--NOTE
-- Same band dupes ok after 1 intervening Q.
-- 1 kHz QSY rule, otherwise standard Sprint rules
-- Mults per band.
-- 100W power limit

Please visit http://www.ncccsprint.com/rttyns.html for complete rules and links to other info. If you find any problems with the web pages, please let me know so we can get them fixed.

If you would like to receive all the latest info about NS as well as a have a place for comments and questions, sign up for the NS mailing list:  https://groups.io/g/nccc-blue

Contestonlinescore.com has a slot set up for us if you’d like to make sure your logger is talking to the world.  Select NCCC NA RTTY Sprint.

Report scores to 3830scores.com, and join us at 0300Z on 3610 kHz (+/- a few for ongoing groups) for comments and questions (and dinner menus).

Diddle diddle,

Ken K6MR

 

State QSO Party Challenge - News Release -

Stan K4SBZ
 

StateQSOParty.com

 

State QSO Party Challenge

-    News Release    -

 

The StateQSOParty.com Team has announced the 2020 State QSO Party Challenge. This annual program will recognize all radio amateurs’ participation in the U.S. State and Canadian Province QSO parties. It will be open to any radio amateur who participates in any of our approved State QSO Party (SQPs) contests. Participants must simply submit their scores to 3830Scores.com to be included in the Challenge.

 

Participants will be recognized for reaching five levels of achievement – Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum and Diamond. Using the submissions to 3830Scores.com, each radio amateur’s cumulative score will be calculated by totaling up his/her number of reported contacts and multiplying by the number of SQPs entered year-to-date.  Using the number of SQPs entered as a multiplier is expected to encourage radio amateurs to enter more state/province QSO parties. The use of the number of contacts as a metric is to encourage participants to operate longer in each SQP, increase the effectiveness of their station and improve their contesting skills. To qualify for an award level, the participant must have participated in at least two State QSO Parties. Each State QSO Party entry must have at least two QSOs.  

 

It is also expected that this program will positively benefit all SCPs, especially those that currently have lower participation levels.

 

The first SQPs in 2020 are the Vermont, Minnesota and British Columbia QSO Parties on the first weekend of February. Therefore, the first monthly report of the State QSO Party Challenge is scheduled to be available in early March 2020. The cumulative year-to-date Challenge scores will be published on the QSOParty.io forum and on the State QSO Party website (www.StateQSOParty.com). The full rules and other details of the Challenge are available on www.StateQSOParty.com).

 

Special thanks to Bruce Horn, WA7BNM of 3830scores.com for creating the SQP Activity Tracker located at 3830scores.com

 

If you have any questions regarding the State QSO Party Challenge, please contact Dave Edmonds, WN4AFP at daveedmo@... 

 

 

CTY-3001 Country Files - 17 January 2020

Jim Reisert AD1C
 

The Country (CTY) Files were updated on 17 January 2020:

http://www.country-files.com/cty-3001-17-january-2020/

For installation instructions, start at:

http://www.country-files.com/

Hover your mouse over the word Contest in the menu, then select the
software you are using.

To install the file, follow the link to your software at the top of the page.

If you are interested in a bigger CTY.DAT for everyday logging, you can get
it here:

http://www.country-files.com/big-cty-17-january-2020/

Note that the release notes (and Version Entity) for this larger file are
different than what is shown below. There is a separate link to them.

As a reminder, there is an RSS feed of the latest country file announcements:

http://www.country-files.com/feed/

Here are the release notes:

17 January 2020 (CTY-3001)
VER20200117, Version entity is Sint Maarten, PJ7

Added/changed Entities/Prefixes/Callsigns:

* IA0/DK5SQX is Antarctica, CE9 in CQ zone 29, ITU zone 70
* EA1RCI/KD is Spain, EA
* TO7D is Guadeloupe, FG
* TX4VK is French Polynesia, FO
* GB2KW and GS4WAB/P are both Scotland, GM
* AA4Q, ND2T, W9FI and WB2JEP are all United States, K in CQ zone 3, ITU zone 6
* AH2AV, KB4QZH, KX4X and KZ4KX are all United States, K in CQ zone 4, ITU zone 8
* AE6JV, KB8KMH, W8WEJ and WE6C are all United States, K in CQ zone 5, ITU zone 8
* KE0KIE, KJ6FDF, KM6RWE, NB6R, W6QPV and WA6CZL are all Hawaii, KH6
* AA7TV, KC5IBS, KF7ITN, KG7ZEV, KN4LJD and KW4XD are all Alaska, KL
* KV4CF is US Virgin Islands, KP2
* LU4DQ/V is Argentina, LU in ITU zone 16
* RA95FL, RG77ML, RU95FL, RZ9OL/3/P and UE77ML are all European Russia, UA
* UB5O/8 is Asiatic Russia, UA9
* RZ5D/8 and UA9SUV/8 are both Asiatic Russia, UA9 in ITU zone 20
* RZ5D/9 is Asiatic Russia, UA9 in CQ zone 18, ITU zone 31
* RU9MV/0 is Asiatic Russia, UA9 in CQ zone 19, ITU zone 25
* RZ5D/0 is Asiatic Russia, UA9 in CQ zone 19, ITU zone 34
* VP8PJ is South Orkney Islands, VP8/o

Removed Entities/Prefixes/Callsigns:

* A41HA/ND, A41JM/ND, A41KJ/ND, A41KT/ND, A41LD/ND, A41NN/ND, A45XR/ND
and A47RS/ND in Oman, A4
* A61FJ/ND and A61FK/MD in United Arab Emirates, A6
* XR6F in Chile, CE
* EA1RCI/CVG in Spain, EA
* TX7T in Marquesas Islands, FO/m
* GB60ATG in Guernsey, GU
* IQ0NV/P in Sardinia, IS
* AA7TV, AB4EJ, AJ4A, AL7GI, AL7R, K0DTJ, K1OU, K2RP, K2UR, K7VU, K8LBQ,
KA9VVQ, KD9BSO, KD9QS, KM4RO, KM9R, KS4L, N4KG, NA2CC, W0CN, W0QQG, W0SK,
W2UP, W4GZX, W5XB, W6YTG, W7IGC, W7KAM, W7XT, W8KA, W9DKB, W9LHG, WF3H,
WN1G and YL3IZ/MM in United States, K
* AC9PT, KE7LWN, KQ6M, N1CBF and WA8JQP in Hawaii, KH6
* AC3DF, K4HOE, KB4DX, KC5ZAA, KN4HGD, KW1W and NJ7H in Alaska, KL
* LU1VYL/D, LU3FCA/F, LU3HT/H, LU7KGB/O and LW6DYH/D in Argentina, LU
* R100AS, R110M, R1II/P, R200SB, R2019DX, R6DLU/1, RZ9SZ/3 and UE29DX
in European Russia, UA
* R4YA/8, R8FF/8, RF1A/9 and RO9S in Asiatic Russia, UA9
* VE2/UT3UA in Canada, VE
* VK60LZ in Australia, VK
* LU4ZD in South Orkney Islands, VP8/o

73 - Jim AD1C

--
Jim Reisert AD1C, <jjreisert at alum.mit.edu>, http://www.ad1c.us

NS RTTY this Thursday

Ken K6MR
 

Greetings Diddlers:

We hit the magic double digit station number last week, even though conditions were a bit iffy.  And other than my major faux pas with the radio on 80, everyone did well.  Welcome back to K2AL, and welcome to YV4ABR for (I think) the first time.

 

I didn’t see any RTTY activity this weekend, so looks like Thursday will be your RTTY fix for the week.  NAQP SSB is the big one for the weekend, so if you can find a microphone, jump in!

 

Please join us and keep those keyboarding skills up to snuff:

 

The details for our little get together this week:

Friday,  17 Jan 2020, 0145Z - 0215Z (Thursday, 16 Jan 2020  in NA)
-- 1745 - 1815 PST
-- 2045 - 2115 EST
-- (others in-between those two)
-- 160: Around 1805  (Last two to five minutes seem to be popular…)
-- 80/40/20/15 +84 kHz up from the band edge   <--NOTE
-- Same band dupes ok after 1 intervening Q.
-- 1 kHz QSY rule, otherwise standard Sprint rules
-- Mults per band.
-- 100W power limit

Please visit http://www.ncccsprint.com/rttyns.html for complete rules and links to other info. If you find any problems with the web pages, please let me know so we can get them fixed.

If you would like to receive all the latest info about NS as well as a have a place for comments and questions, sign up for the NS mailing list:  https://groups.io/g/nccc-blue

Contestonlinescore.com has a slot set up for us if you’d like to make sure your logger is talking to the world.  Select NCCC NA RTTY Sprint.

Report scores to 3830scores.com, and join us at 0300Z on 3610 kHz (+/- a few for ongoing groups) for comments and questions (and dinner menus).

Diddle diddle,

Ken K6MR

15M during RU

john@kk9a.com
 

P49X was loud on 15m when I worked him. Any 15m QSOs that you make are just free points and multipliers that you can collect while you're also on 20m

John KK9A (W4AAA in 2020 RU)

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy 7 edge, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone.  

Ed Muns, W0YK wrote:

15m signal strength wasn't so great in Aruba, but the N-S path is better than E-W plus I had skip into population areas.  Look at the 15m QSO numbers from west US stations.  They had skip to the populous east coast, but the reverse is not true.  Same in SS.

73,
Ed W0YK

Re: 15M during RU

Jim N6VH
 

Phil,

Yes, I agree. If making contacts is difficult, then going where the action is certainly makes sense.  If I can make a quick QSO with a non-mult, then I will go for it. However, if after two or three calls and no luck, I move on.

73,

Jim N6VH

On 1/8/2020 11:51 AM, Phil Cooper via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Rich, Jim and Ed,

 

Yes,  I would have done so, had the (very) few that were there been able to hear me. A couple had a good run going (with stations I could not hear), and there were a couple that just could not hear my signal.

I just didn’t think it was worth spending time there, when I could be on 20m S&P for mults.

I’ve always worked on the principle that mults are king.

 

I was just pointing out that as mults counted only once, that “may” have prompted folk to go where the rate was, which for me, was 20m.

 

73 de Phil GU0SUP

 


Re: 15M during RU

Ed Muns, W0YK
 

15m signal strength wasn't so great in Aruba, but the N-S path is better than E-W plus I had skip into population areas.  Look at the 15m QSO numbers from west US stations.  They had skip to the populous east coast, but the reverse is not true.  Same in SS.

73,
Ed W0YK


-------- Original message --------
From: rich <rwnewbould@...>
Date: 1/8/20 16:05 (GMT-04:00)
To: RTTY@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 15M during RU

My main point was propagation in the Northeast must have been poor on 15m.   I tried several times and only made 40 Qs.   I just never heard many stations at all.   Even Ed was weak to me on 15m which is very rare.  Yet Ed had 500 Qs on 15m.  From his location conditions were certainly different than mine.

No matter what I had tons of fun.   The RU is one of my favorites.

Rich

On 1/8/2020 14:17 PM, Ed Muns, W0YK wrote:
OTOH, QSOs count on each band which also increases score, so why not work them?

73,
Ed W0YK


-------- Original message --------
From: rich <rwnewbould@...>
Date: 1/8/20 15:06 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 15M during RU

I never thought of it from that perspective.

Rich

On 1/8/2020 12:43 PM, pcooper@... wrote:

Rich and the group,

 

IN the RU, mults count only ONCE, and not per band, so there is little incentive to work the same calls on higher bands, which are less likely to be that active.

See Rule 5.2.1

 

I did check 15m on a few occasions, but only heard a few stations, and they were ones that I had worked before, so I did not bother calling.

 

Maybe this was why so few operated on 15m?

 

Just a thought...

 

73 de Phil GU0SUP

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: "rich" <rwnewbould@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January, 2020 14:15
To: RTTY@groups.io
Subject: [RTTY] 15M during RU

15m propagation must have been really weird during the RU.   I checked
the logs of most of the top NA scores and I do not believe any of them
made 100Qs on 15m (I did not check every log).   Yet some of the
stations in the Caribbean made 300, 400 or 500 Qs on 15m (I did not
check every log).   I recall calling a station in the Caymans who was
calling CQ that never heard me and several others that were calling.  
Also a couple times as propagation changed I noticed somebody else
calling CQ on the same freq as me or others.   Of course I am not saying
they were interfering. They were not hearing each other.  It was just
weird propagation.

So folks were out there but nobody  seemed to be hearing each other in
NA to any great extent.

Although workable,  most of the stations in the Caribbean were weak to
the North East which is not normal for me.

Did anyone else feel 15m was weird or am I all wet?

I think I totaled about 40 contacts for the whole event.

Rich

K3RWN




Re: 15M during RU

rich
 

My main point was propagation in the Northeast must have been poor on 15m.   I tried several times and only made 40 Qs.   I just never heard many stations at all.   Even Ed was weak to me on 15m which is very rare.  Yet Ed had 500 Qs on 15m.  From his location conditions were certainly different than mine.

No matter what I had tons of fun.   The RU is one of my favorites.

Rich

On 1/8/2020 14:17 PM, Ed Muns, W0YK wrote:
OTOH, QSOs count on each band which also increases score, so why not work them?

73,
Ed W0YK


-------- Original message --------
From: rich <rwnewbould@...>
Date: 1/8/20 15:06 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 15M during RU

I never thought of it from that perspective.

Rich

On 1/8/2020 12:43 PM, pcooper@... wrote:

Rich and the group,

 

IN the RU, mults count only ONCE, and not per band, so there is little incentive to work the same calls on higher bands, which are less likely to be that active.

See Rule 5.2.1

 

I did check 15m on a few occasions, but only heard a few stations, and they were ones that I had worked before, so I did not bother calling.

 

Maybe this was why so few operated on 15m?

 

Just a thought...

 

73 de Phil GU0SUP

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: "rich" <rwnewbould@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January, 2020 14:15
To: RTTY@groups.io
Subject: [RTTY] 15M during RU

15m propagation must have been really weird during the RU.   I checked
the logs of most of the top NA scores and I do not believe any of them
made 100Qs on 15m (I did not check every log).   Yet some of the
stations in the Caribbean made 300, 400 or 500 Qs on 15m (I did not
check every log).   I recall calling a station in the Caymans who was
calling CQ that never heard me and several others that were calling.  
Also a couple times as propagation changed I noticed somebody else
calling CQ on the same freq as me or others.   Of course I am not saying
they were interfering. They were not hearing each other.  It was just
weird propagation.

So folks were out there but nobody  seemed to be hearing each other in
NA to any great extent.

Although workable,  most of the stations in the Caribbean were weak to
the North East which is not normal for me.

Did anyone else feel 15m was weird or am I all wet?

I think I totaled about 40 contacts for the whole event.

Rich

K3RWN




Re: RE : [RTTY] ARRL RTTY RU

Hank W6SX
 

Lots and lots of good comments. I'll add mine from NCJ back in 2013.

Contest Exuberantly,

Hank, W6SX

W0YK Note:  Hank, W6SX, is inspirational with his positive “Contest Exuberantly” signature on the contest reflectors.  In this guest column, he shows us how contest techniques and tactics can be dynamically optimized around the specifics of the QSO.  There is no single way to execute a QSO …

It Depends

What’s the best way to make contacts in RTTY contests? It depends.

Almost everything in contests depends. Contesting is a dynamic, situation-dependent activity. There’s no one-size-fits-all approach to making RTTY contacts. That’s what makes contests fun. The trick is to match each contact to the situation, to maximize score and fun, and to be friendly so everyone comes back for more.  

Since everything depends, what's the best approach? I suggest modularity. Create modular macros that can be sent one at a time or strung together as the situation dictates. With modularity, you have the best of many worlds—crafting each contact to the conditions.

Some ground rules. It’s a contest and a prime objective is to maximize score. It’s a contest and a prime objective is to have fun. It’s a contest and a prime objective is to help others have fun and maximize their scores. We’re all in this together, and we can all do a lot to help each other maximize score and have fun.

The Amateur is Friendly. What’s the best way to be friendly? It depends. My rule for contests is that completing the contact in shipshape fashion as quickly as possible is the most friendly thing I can do for the other guy and for the other guys waiting. And, it’s generally the most friendly thing you can do for me. The running station sets the tone. If the CQing station, even if he’s my best friend, sends me a standard-issue exchange, the most friendly thing is to send him a standard-issue exchange without pleasantries. If he says HI HANK, then he’s giving me the go-ahead to loosen up a (little) bit. It’s a contest—be contest friendly during the event and regular friendly afterwards.

To DE or not to DE. It depends, but mostly not. Almost all the time, who is sending is clear from sequence and timing. DE usually adds nothing to a contest exchange, and DE can be very confusing. For instance, W6SX 599 IN DE w4xxx. Ditch the DE.

What’s the best way to CQ? It depends. A good approach is to maximize your call and minimize stuff that doesn’t add value. CQ DL DX RTTY CONTEST DE w8xxx—not so good. CQ DL W6SX W6SX CQ—much better. Or CQ TEST W6SX W6SX W6SX CQ. Note that the CQ at the end is standard RTTY contest procedure and helps late tuners know that you are soliciting contacts.  

How much to send the other guy’s call? It depends.  When you’re answering a CQ, you don’t need to send the CQer’s call—he knows his call. Just drop your call once, twice, or three times depending on circumstances. How about when you’re running?

CQ TEST W6SX W6SX CQ
W0YK W0YK
W0YK 599 23 23 (W0YK)

Many routinely send the W0YK at the end of the exchange. Others never do. I suggest that it depends. If W0YK is the only station responding, there isn’t much to be gained by sending his call twice. If there is more than one caller, then sometimes, sending W0YK at the end of the exchange will avoid confusion and a time-wasting double. Note the sometimes. For instance, sometimes it pays to hesitate a bit and let multiple callers finish before responding to the first guy. In this case, I generally won't send the other guy's call at the end, but if I hear a signal just as I hit transmit, I'll add the other guy's call at the end. Even with multiple callers, often it’s still clear to everyone who is being working, and the second W0YK is not necessary. If you don’t lock yourself into always sending the second W0YK, you quickly develop a good sense of when to send it and when to skip it.

What if you’ve answered a CQ. It depends. You are sending your report to someone who certainly knows his own call. Unless there’s ambiguity, I normally don’t send the CQer’s call. But many stations routinely do, and that’s OK. For the S&P station, I don’t think there is anything to be gained by sending the CQer’s call at the end of the exchange.

(W6SX) 599 23 23
(W0YK) TU W6SX CQ

Many routinely send W0YK when confirming and concluding a QSO. Others never do. I suggest that it depends. If there is no doubt who was worked, I usually don’t send his call. But if there is any ambiguity, I’ll send it. Other times, for example, when trying to get a JA run going, I may send the other guy’s call to extend my transmit time and let other JAs know that I’m hearing them. Sometimes I’ll send the other guy’s call when I’m trying to defend a run frequency. It depends—there is no one answer.

Sending the other guy’s call at the end of an exchange and sending the other guy’s call when acknowledging a contact is like a political or religious discussion. Some people always do it one way, others always the other way. I suggest that the best bet is flexibility suited to the circumstances, but I’m not going to argue with anyone who gets the contact done.

What’s the best way to send repeats. I have one unequivocal answer. Send only what is being asked for. Don’t send his call—he knows his call. If he asks for the number, send only the number once, twice or three times. Do not send 599 33 33, and for sure don’t send 599 599 33!

Which brings us to … macros and flexible macros.  Be careful when using canned macros with your logging software. If the exchange is RST NR, then programming an F-key to send your exchange twice will yield 599 47 599 47. Never, never repeat 599. Send it once per contact and never send it again. It’s often best to hard program your F-keys instead of using your logging software macros. For instance, make F2 599 # # instead of EXCH EXCH. In many cases, you are smarter than your logging software.

Flexible macros. If someone asks for your serial number again, don’t use F2, which will send your whole exchange. Instead program another F-key with your number only. The name of the game is to program F-keys so you can send exactly what the situation requires instead of being forced to send canned, extraneous stuff that wastes everybody’s time.

What to send in your exchange? It depends. NCJ NAQP first.

AA5AU HANK CA (AA5AU)

Since I am a W6, live in California, have a decent signal, and am reasonably well known, I send HANK and CA once each. If my name were Maximilian, I’d send it twice. If I were a Six outside of California, I would definitely send my state twice. If your call makes where you live unambiguous, send your location only once. For instance, a VE3 needs to send ON only once.

Now a contest with serial numbers, for instance, CQ WPX RTTY.

K4GMH 599 328 328 (K4GMH)

Some people say send serial number once. Others say twice. Still others say three times because if you get it two out of three times, you’ll know it’s right. I normally send serial number twice, and below I show how this works well. But the real answer is it depends. If you are loud and running, people get more than one chance to figure out your serial number, and once may be good enough. Caution—this may not work if the running station is SO2R where serial numbers might not be consecutive. If conditions are particularly poor, three times might be called for. It depends, which is why having flexible macros is a plus.  

Which brings us to the question of when to ask for a repeat. When do you have enough to log a contact? It depends. You don’t have to copy a number twice to be confident that you have it right.

If I print 599 005 W6SX, the 599 and W6SX bracketing the 005 tell me it’s probably good. I’ll log it unless something else tells me to question it.

One “something” is that you can often tell by ear if an exchange printed correctly. Or, perhaps more importantly, you can often tell by ear if an exchange is corrupted.

If I print 599 005 0%&*, I’ll probably log 005.

If I print 599 005^*A, I’ll ask for a repeat.

There are lots of scenarios you can build. Contest radiosport is risk evaluation. Do I interrupt a 100-per-hour run to be 100% sure of an exchange? Or do I evaluate as above and take a chance I’ll lose a low-point QSO to log checking? Does my calculus change if it’s a new multiplier I’m not likely to find later? Of course.

For a really good discussion of contest risk taking, see “Logging Accuracy: Error Control for SS,” by ND2T.2 In a contest, adjudicated score is the final arbitrator. I take some risks. My Log Checking Reports indicate that I’ve achieved a decent balance between 100% correct and score and fun.

Finally, how do I know that the other guy has my call correct? It depends. For instance, if I’m running and I print W6RX 599 003 003, I probably won’t try to “correct” him. I send my call twice when I CQ and at least once every contact, so the other guy has had ample opportunity to get my call right. I assume that he sent my call correctly and it took a hit. Additionally, by sending 599 003 003 or TU 599 003 with or without my call, he is QSLing my call and exchange—he’s saying I have it, I have all I need. If he’s not sure of my call, he needs to ask for it. Contesting is a two-way street, and both operators have responsibility to get it right. But, it depends. If I print W6RX 599 003 003 W6RX, I’ll correct the other station.

Modularity, no unneeded stuff, flexibility, and friendliness are what make contesting fun for everyone. See you in the next contest everyone.



Re: 15M during RU

Phil Cooper
 

Hi Rich, Jim and Ed,

 

Yes,  I would have done so, had the (very) few that were there been able to hear me. A couple had a good run going (with stations I could not hear), and there were a couple that just could not hear my signal.

I just didn’t think it was worth spending time there, when I could be on 20m S&P for mults.

I’ve always worked on the principle that mults are king.

 

I was just pointing out that as mults counted only once, that “may” have prompted folk to go where the rate was, which for me, was 20m.

 

73 de Phil GU0SUP

 

From: Ed W0YK [mailto:ed@...]
Sent: 08 January 2020 19:17
To: rich; pcooper@...
Cc: rtty@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 15M during RU

 

OTOH, QSOs count on each band which also increases score, so why not work them?

 

73,

Ed W0YK

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: rich <rwnewbould@...>

Date: 1/8/20 15:06 (GMT-04:00)

To: pcooper@...

Cc: rtty@groups.io

Subject: Re: [RTTY] 15M during RU

 

I never thought of it from that perspective.

Rich

On 1/8/2020 12:43 PM, pcooper@... wrote:

Rich and the group,

 

IN the RU, mults count only ONCE, and not per band, so there is little incentive to work the same calls on higher bands, which are less likely to be that active.

See Rule 5.2.1

 

I did check 15m on a few occasions, but only heard a few stations, and they were ones that I had worked before, so I did not bother calling.

 

Maybe this was why so few operated on 15m?

 

Just a thought...

 

73 de Phil GU0SUP

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: "rich" <rwnewbould@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January, 2020 14:15
To: RTTY@groups.io
Subject: [RTTY] 15M during RU

15m propagation must have been really weird during the RU.   I checked
the logs of most of the top NA scores and I do not believe any of them
made 100Qs on 15m (I did not check every log).   Yet some of the
stations in the Caribbean made 300, 400 or 500 Qs on 15m (I did not
check every log).   I recall calling a station in the Caymans who was
calling CQ that never heard me and several others that were calling.  
Also a couple times as propagation changed I noticed somebody else
calling CQ on the same freq as me or others.   Of course I am not saying
they were interfering. They were not hearing each other.  It was just
weird propagation.

So folks were out there but nobody  seemed to be hearing each other in
NA to any great extent.

Although workable,  most of the stations in the Caribbean were weak to
the North East which is not normal for me.

Did anyone else feel 15m was weird or am I all wet?

I think I totaled about 40 contacts for the whole event.

Rich

K3RWN



Re: 15M during RU

jeff stai wk6i
 

I made plenty of contacts on 15 from Nevada. Never a huge rate but it kept the second radio busy enough. 73 jeff wk6i


On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 11:27 AM Ed Muns, W0YK <ed@...> wrote:
OTOH, QSOs count on each band which also increases score, so why not work them?

73,
Ed W0YK


-------- Original message --------
From: rich <rwnewbould@...>
Date: 1/8/20 15:06 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 15M during RU

I never thought of it from that perspective.

Rich

On 1/8/2020 12:43 PM, pcooper@... wrote:

Rich and the group,

 

IN the RU, mults count only ONCE, and not per band, so there is little incentive to work the same calls on higher bands, which are less likely to be that active.

See Rule 5.2.1

 

I did check 15m on a few occasions, but only heard a few stations, and they were ones that I had worked before, so I did not bother calling.

 

Maybe this was why so few operated on 15m?

 

Just a thought...

 

73 de Phil GU0SUP

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: "rich" <rwnewbould@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January, 2020 14:15
To: RTTY@groups.io
Subject: [RTTY] 15M during RU

15m propagation must have been really weird during the RU.   I checked
the logs of most of the top NA scores and I do not believe any of them
made 100Qs on 15m (I did not check every log).   Yet some of the
stations in the Caribbean made 300, 400 or 500 Qs on 15m (I did not
check every log).   I recall calling a station in the Caymans who was
calling CQ that never heard me and several others that were calling.  
Also a couple times as propagation changed I noticed somebody else
calling CQ on the same freq as me or others.   Of course I am not saying
they were interfering. They were not hearing each other.  It was just
weird propagation.

So folks were out there but nobody  seemed to be hearing each other in
NA to any great extent.

Although workable,  most of the stations in the Caribbean were weak to
the North East which is not normal for me.

Did anyone else feel 15m was weird or am I all wet?

I think I totaled about 40 contacts for the whole event.

Rich

K3RWN






--
Jeff Stai ~ WK6I ~ wk6i.jeff@...
RTTY op at W7RN
Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/

Re: 15M during RU

Ed Muns, W0YK
 

OTOH, QSOs count on each band which also increases score, so why not work them?

73,
Ed W0YK


-------- Original message --------
From: rich <rwnewbould@...>
Date: 1/8/20 15:06 (GMT-04:00)
To: pcooper@...
Cc: rtty@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RTTY] 15M during RU

I never thought of it from that perspective.

Rich

On 1/8/2020 12:43 PM, pcooper@... wrote:

Rich and the group,

 

IN the RU, mults count only ONCE, and not per band, so there is little incentive to work the same calls on higher bands, which are less likely to be that active.

See Rule 5.2.1

 

I did check 15m on a few occasions, but only heard a few stations, and they were ones that I had worked before, so I did not bother calling.

 

Maybe this was why so few operated on 15m?

 

Just a thought...

 

73 de Phil GU0SUP

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: "rich" <rwnewbould@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January, 2020 14:15
To: RTTY@groups.io
Subject: [RTTY] 15M during RU

15m propagation must have been really weird during the RU.   I checked
the logs of most of the top NA scores and I do not believe any of them
made 100Qs on 15m (I did not check every log).   Yet some of the
stations in the Caribbean made 300, 400 or 500 Qs on 15m (I did not
check every log).   I recall calling a station in the Caymans who was
calling CQ that never heard me and several others that were calling.  
Also a couple times as propagation changed I noticed somebody else
calling CQ on the same freq as me or others.   Of course I am not saying
they were interfering. They were not hearing each other.  It was just
weird propagation.

So folks were out there but nobody  seemed to be hearing each other in
NA to any great extent.

Although workable,  most of the stations in the Caribbean were weak to
the North East which is not normal for me.

Did anyone else feel 15m was weird or am I all wet?

I think I totaled about 40 contacts for the whole event.

Rich

K3RWN




Re: 15M during RU

Jim N6VH
 

Phil,


Yes, mults only count once per band, but you still get one point per QSO, times the number of mults you have. To my way of thinking, that makes it worthwhile to make the QSO. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get on for this contest.


73,


Jim N6VH

On 1/8/2020 9:43 AM, Phil Cooper via Groups.Io wrote:

Rich and the group,

 

IN the RU, mults count only ONCE, and not per band, so there is little incentive to work the same calls on higher bands, which are less likely to be that active.

See Rule 5.2.1

 

I did check 15m on a few occasions, but only heard a few stations, and they were ones that I had worked before, so I did not bother calling.

 

Maybe this was why so few operated on 15m?

 

Just a thought...

 

73 de Phil GU0SUP

 

 

Re: 15M during RU

rich
 

I never thought of it from that perspective.

Rich

On 1/8/2020 12:43 PM, pcooper@... wrote:

Rich and the group,

 

IN the RU, mults count only ONCE, and not per band, so there is little incentive to work the same calls on higher bands, which are less likely to be that active.

See Rule 5.2.1

 

I did check 15m on a few occasions, but only heard a few stations, and they were ones that I had worked before, so I did not bother calling.

 

Maybe this was why so few operated on 15m?

 

Just a thought...

 

73 de Phil GU0SUP

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: "rich" <rwnewbould@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January, 2020 14:15
To: RTTY@groups.io
Subject: [RTTY] 15M during RU

15m propagation must have been really weird during the RU.   I checked
the logs of most of the top NA scores and I do not believe any of them
made 100Qs on 15m (I did not check every log).   Yet some of the
stations in the Caribbean made 300, 400 or 500 Qs on 15m (I did not
check every log).   I recall calling a station in the Caymans who was
calling CQ that never heard me and several others that were calling.  
Also a couple times as propagation changed I noticed somebody else
calling CQ on the same freq as me or others.   Of course I am not saying
they were interfering. They were not hearing each other.  It was just
weird propagation.

So folks were out there but nobody  seemed to be hearing each other in
NA to any great extent.

Although workable,  most of the stations in the Caribbean were weak to
the North East which is not normal for me.

Did anyone else feel 15m was weird or am I all wet?

I think I totaled about 40 contacts for the whole event.

Rich

K3RWN




Re: 15M during RU

Phil Cooper
 

Rich and the group,

 

IN the RU, mults count only ONCE, and not per band, so there is little incentive to work the same calls on higher bands, which are less likely to be that active.

See Rule 5.2.1

 

I did check 15m on a few occasions, but only heard a few stations, and they were ones that I had worked before, so I did not bother calling.

 

Maybe this was why so few operated on 15m?

 

Just a thought...

 

73 de Phil GU0SUP

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: "rich" <rwnewbould@...>
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January, 2020 14:15
To: RTTY@groups.io
Subject: [RTTY] 15M during RU

15m propagation must have been really weird during the RU.   I checked
the logs of most of the top NA scores and I do not believe any of them
made 100Qs on 15m (I did not check every log).   Yet some of the
stations in the Caribbean made 300, 400 or 500 Qs on 15m (I did not
check every log).   I recall calling a station in the Caymans who was
calling CQ that never heard me and several others that were calling.  
Also a couple times as propagation changed I noticed somebody else
calling CQ on the same freq as me or others.   Of course I am not saying
they were interfering. They were not hearing each other.  It was just
weird propagation.

So folks were out there but nobody  seemed to be hearing each other in
NA to any great extent.

Although workable,  most of the stations in the Caribbean were weak to
the North East which is not normal for me.

Did anyone else feel 15m was weird or am I all wet?

I think I totaled about 40 contacts for the whole event.

Rich

K3RWN




15M during RU

rich
 

15m propagation must have been really weird during the RU.   I checked the logs of most of the top NA scores and I do not believe any of them made 100Qs on 15m (I did not check every log).   Yet some of the stations in the Caribbean made 300, 400 or 500 Qs on 15m (I did not check every log).   I recall calling a station in the Caymans who was calling CQ that never heard me and several others that were calling.   Also a couple times as propagation changed I noticed somebody else calling CQ on the same freq as me or others.   Of course I am not saying they were interfering. They were not hearing each other.  It was just weird propagation.

So folks were out there but nobody  seemed to be hearing each other in NA to any great extent.

Although workable,  most of the stations in the Caribbean were weak to the North East which is not normal for me.

Did anyone else feel 15m was weird or am I all wet?

I think I totaled about 40 contacts for the whole event.

Rich

K3RWN

NS RTTY this Thursday

Ken K6MR
 

Greetings Diddlers:

Yes, I know you are still hearing the little bells in your head after last weekend.  But this is the perfect time to keep your keyboarding skills in tip top shape!

 

Quite the turnout last week, no doubt due to RTTY RU.  But we’ll take it.  Welcome to first or perhaps rare participants K6KM and W1RH.  Hope to see you printing again guys.

 

The upcoming weekend looks to be mostly those other modes for those of us in NA.  So if you still need your weekly RTTY fix, please join us at the usual time and place.


The details for our little get together this week:

Friday,  10 Jan 2020, 0145Z - 0215Z (Thursday, 9 Jan 2020  in NA)
-- 1745 - 1815 PST
-- 2045 - 2115 EST
-- (others in-between those two)
-- 160: Around 1805  (Last two to five minutes seem to be popular…)
-- 80/40/20/15 +84 kHz up from the band edge   <--NOTE
-- Same band dupes ok after 1 intervening Q.
-- 1 kHz QSY rule, otherwise standard Sprint rules
-- Mults per band.
-- 100W power limit

Please visit http://www.ncccsprint.com/rttyns.html for complete rules and links to other info. If you find any problems with the web pages, please let me know so we can get them fixed.

If you would like to receive all the latest info about NS as well as a have a place for comments and questions, sign up for the NS mailing list:  https://groups.io/g/nccc-blue

Contestonlinescore.com has a slot set up for us if you’d like to make sure your logger is talking to the world.  Select NCCC NA RTTY Sprint.

Report scores to 3830scores.com, and join us at 0300Z on 3610 kHz (+/- a few for ongoing groups) for comments and questions (and dinner menus).

Diddle diddle,

Ken K6MR

Re: More Musings on RTTY and the FT Modes in the ARRL RTTY Roundup

Shawn Johnson
 

      I too am Fairly New with the digital modes as my mode of choice was jt65 and jt9. I could get some good solid contacts with not much experience needed.. I played a bit during contests early on with RTTy never really entering the contest per say but managing in getting a few hundred contacts out of it. I never did any contesting but when FT8 came along it gets you prepared with the fast PACED and almost daily contest environment. I partook in the FT8 roundup last year and the FT roundup this year. There is definite room for some improvement as there are a lot of repeat and missed qso not to mention QRM plays a big factor in all of it.. Too many in such a small area and I think contributes greatly to the missed connections and repeats.

   

      I do love Rtty as you get QRM on occasion but still able to resurrect the contact in a rather quick amount of time. It also gives you the opportunity to actually operate your rig  and not the pc per say. It gives you more of the feel of actually operating and being able to spin the dial and push buttons. I didn’t really enter the contest as I’m not by all means skilled enough. I did submit my log but failed to put unlimited as I learned this afternoon. I waited till the last moment and said I might as well install N1MM and MMTTY. I did try the N1MM and WSJTX just prior to the FT Round up but had to scrap it at the last moment as I couldn’t get it to all function together efficiently. I managed to get it all function somewhat this time around only issue I had really was WSJTX wouldn’t go into Data Mode even though it was checked. But rig control and PTT all worked great but, some confusion between n1mm WSJTX and the rig I assume for data but once I click the rig to data it was all good.         

 

      MMTTY took a bit and it wasn’t till about an hr into I got it working it would key up but give a solid tone no diddle. It finally ended up being the ptt setting in MMTTY there isn’t a separate Check for DTR/RTS it is one check and the 991 does things a bit different but anyway it all seemed to work after that. I could switch between MMtty and WSJTX and made a few FT8/4 contacts but it seemed to be a struggle.. I did notice and I was also guilty most FT 8 were at where the FT4 were and vise versa to where the frequencies were of the FT roundup. I guess some just used the frequencies they had from the FT roundup but the modes were backwards. I just adjusted the dial to where the noise was and there was more than plenty to work but I imagine being all over made for not as many contacts as one could of had I recon. It does allow for the break up of doing the same thing but I believe RTTy should be its own contest FT be its own as it keeps things suited. Its all fun to me.  I enjoy the FT Roundup and will continue to partake as long as I am able. I also will try to sharpen my RTTy skills and be a bit more experienced as I do enjoy it if not a bit more. I hope all enjoyed it and will see you next time.. Regards KU0D       

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don Hill AA5AU
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 9:54 PM
To: RTTY@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RTTY] More Musings on RTTY and the FT Modes in the ARRL RTTY Roundup

 

Yes! I just received another email today from a new ham, also licensed in 2017, that said he did only FT modes in the ARRL RTTY Roundup but now plans to do RTTY. So we just don't know how many new RTTY contesters we will get that come from the FT modes.

 

Don AA5AU

 

From: RTTY@groups.io [mailto:RTTY@groups.io] On Behalf Of Phil Snyder
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 9:15 AM
To: RTTY@groups.io
Subject: Re: [RTTY] More Musings on RTTY and the FT Modes in the ARRL RTTY Roundup

 

So Don, are you saying the FT modes are "gateway" modes? 🤔😊

Thanks for the RU q's from LA this weekend!

Phil
N9LAH


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-----Original Message-----

From: aa5au@...
To: RTTY@groups.io
Sent: 2020-01-06 8:14:01 AM
Subject: Re: [RTTY] More Musings on RTTY and the FT Modes in the ARRL RTTY Roundup

Well said and I have to agree. When FT8 first came out I thought it would be "fun" to use it as a contest mode. Basically that is what we used it for during the ARRL Grid Chase in 2018. That whole year was like one big FT8 contest.

 

I was one, among several others, who pushed to get FT8 (and now FT4) into contests. I helped create the FT8 Roundup in 2018 and last month the FT Roundup. I thought it would be fun to have FT-only contests. I realize now that it doesn't come close to the fun I have in RTTY contesting. But I don't regret having FT contesting. I'm sure lots of people enjoy it more than I do.

 

The upside is that it has brought new operators into the contest fold and I think that's a good thing. Here's a good example. The winner of the 2018 FT8 Roundup was Ron, WV4P. Ron was first licensed in June 2017 and is new to contesting. This past weekend I saw Ron all over the place on RTTY. His 3830 post shows 1300 RTTY QSOs and no FT QSOs. Not sure that's correct but we now have a new RTTY contester in the ranks.

 

Don AA5AU

 

From: RTTY@groups.io [mailto:RTTY@groups.io] On Behalf Of Max NG7M
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 10:10 PM
To: RTTY@groups.io
Subject: [RTTY] More Musings on RTTY and the FT Modes in the ARRL RTTY Roundup

 

When I compare 20 hours of operating in the WW Digi contest primarily running FT4 (yes I gave it an honest good old college try and made 579 QSOs in those grinding painful 20 hours) to the 12 hours (800 Q's in 12 hours) I put into the Roundup only running RTTY.  I'm not sure how I can even compare the two experiences.  I still kind of enjoyed the WW Digi because I knew everyone else was slugging out the same grinding experience running the same modes, locked into a universe of 7.5 or 15 second TX/RX timings synchronized across all stations.  But the 12 hours in the Roundup only running RTTY was simply orders of magnitude more enjoyable and fun in comparison.

I say we keep trying out new digital modes along side RTTY, maybe something better will come along that fits into the the contesting mold and allows for more rate and fun.  But as it stands now.. and we all concede that the FT modes are incredible weak signal modes (they are not low power modes) and they excel at what they were designed to do.  However, they were never designed for contesting exchanges... clearly.  It's a game of trading weak signal capabilities against long transmission times with redundancy.  I could be wrong but I think contesters want to use their radios and be in control of when and when not to transmit and be able to tune our exchanges and tweak things based on our station setup.  FT modes take a of that away... I personally don't find it fun as a contest mode at all.  It's pretty clear that RTTY isn't going away any time soon.

So let's see what happens... maybe it (FT modes) will bring new folks to the contesting world and introduce them to other possibilities with other modes.  Especially when they see scores posted on 3830. And the fact that one FT mode QSO puts you in an unlimited category is pretty serendipitous, where it's a multi channel decoder setup.  The decades old mode RTTY  with modern software decoders kicks it's fanny for rate and fun in my book.  So I see some irony in that fact... it's slower (FT modes)... it's not as fun and it forces an an unlimited entry by anyone that uses it???   You can't even tune around with the dial on your VFO?  Camp out on 3-4khz of bandwidth and sch-log it out at a whopping max rate of maybe 40 Q's per hour if you are lucky? (that was my experience in the WW Digi)  The theoretical rate should be much better... it wasn't for me.

So for now, I'll get much more excited to run stations with RTTY than I ever will with the FT modes (actually CW tops RTTY for to be honest by a mile for the fun factor but I digress).  Again, let's see what happens and at the same time, try new things out and continue to kick the tires with new modes like the FT modes.  Why not.  

Max NG7M

 

 

call for RTTY Roundup photos and stories

jeff stai wk6i
 

I write the results article for the RTTY Roundup in QST. 

Please send me any high resolution photos you may have of your RTTY Roundup operation, station, etc. Note that the QST editors tend to prefer photos that have people in them but not exclusively. 

Also if you have any stories or observations that you didn't already post to 3830scores.com or include in your soapbox, please send those along as well.

Best way is to reply to this message, or in a separate message with something like "Roundup article" in the subject line :)

Thanks! jeff wk6i

--
Jeff Stai ~ WK6I ~ wk6i.jeff@...
RTTY op at W7RN
Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/

RTTY Roundup "Unlimited" and FT modes

jeff stai wk6i
 

A reminder when submitting your log. If you made any FT contacts in the contest that makes you Unlimited and you should answer this question with a Yes:

"At any time during the contest, did you use spotting assistance of any kind,
or software capable of simultaneously decoding multiple call signs?"

The second part of that question is true for FT modes. 73 jeff wk6i

--
Jeff Stai ~ WK6I ~ wk6i.jeff@...
RTTY op at W7RN
Twisted Oak Winery ~ http://www.twistedoak.com/