"Gumbo Gravel"--a Cotton Belt specialty


Dennis Hogan
 
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Interesting short story here about a special mix material made for right-of-ways.
I wonder where those pit lakes are and the exact location of the Collin County historical marker.
Cotton Belt's gumbo gravel


Tom Roise
 

That’s amazing. Never heard of those..

Tom Roise
Mckinney 

On Jan 24, 2023, at 4:23 PM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:

Interesting short story here about a special mix material made for right-of-ways.
I wonder where those pit lakes are and the Collin County historical marker.
Cotton Belt's gumbo gravel


Tom Roise
 

Probably under lake lavon as well.  

Tom Roise


On Jan 24, 2023, at 6:48 PM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:



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Interesting short story here about a special mix material made for right-of-ways.
I wonder where those pit lakes are and the exact location of the Collin County historical marker.
Cotton Belt's gumbo gravel


Jason Lee Davis, PhD
 

The Texas Midland made gumbo for the initial construction of their line in the late 1890's and into the early 1900's.  One known Gumbo Pit was in Delta County near the community of Enloe, just north of Cooper.  The attached description can be found in the Patterson Museum, housed in the former Texas Midland Depot in Cooper, TX.

-Jason Davis

 Klondike, TX


Tom Roise
 

Fascinating. Thx for sharing. It’s like cinder chips!! Natural creosote 

Tom Roise


On Jan 25, 2023, at 8:35 AM, Jason Lee Davis, PhD <jason@...> wrote:



The Texas Midland made gumbo for the initial construction of their line in the late 1890's and into the early 1900's.  One known Gumbo Pit was in Delta County near the community of Enloe, just north of Cooper.  The attached description can be found in the Patterson Museum, housed in the former Texas Midland Depot in Cooper, TX.

-Jason Davis

 Klondike, TX

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Jason Lee Davis, PhD
 

I brought up Google Earth and it seems the pits/lakes are still readily identifiable just to the north, and a bit west of Josephine.  See attached GE screenshot.
The original, northernmost pits are named Cooks Lake.  It appears there may have been a spur built to the pits off the main line in Josephine.
I was unable to find an historical marker in the vicinity of the pits on Street View.

I have not been able to locate TM's Enloe gumbo pits on Google Earth.

Cheers,
-Jason Davis
 Klondike, TX


Tom Roise
 

Nicely done 

Tom Roise

On Jan 25, 2023, at 9:07 AM, Jason Lee Davis, PhD <jason@...> wrote:



I brought up Google Earth and it seems the pits/lakes are still readily identifiable just to the north, and a bit west of Josephine.  See attached GE screenshot.
The original, northernmost pits are named Cooks Lake.  It appears there may have been a spur built to the pits off the main line in Josephine.
I was unable to find an historical marker in the vicinity of the pits on Street View.

I have not been able to locate TM's Enloe gumbo pits on Google Earth.

Cheers,
-Jason Davis
 Klondike, TX

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Jason Lee Davis, PhD
 

Well, that rabbit hole went WAY too deep.
If you're having trouble falling asleep, or simply love reading long legal documents from the early 1900's, here's something to delve into...
https://casetext.com/case/st-louis-sw-ry-v-davy-burnt-clay-b
Seems the Davy Burnt Clay Ballast Co., the company contracted to run the Josephine Gumbo operation, had a little disagreement with the St.L.S.~W. over some contract details.  It appears to have played out over a long time and went back and forth between various levels of courts on appeals.  This document is a court opinion issued on the case by the Court of Civil Appeals of Texas, Dallas, on November 6, 1926.
It does include interesting details, particularly about the volume of gumbo produced in the initial pit  in one "run" (i.e. 200,000 cubic yards).
Enjoy,
-Jason