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Hill Country Flyer

Mike Murray <mdmurray@...>
 

Thanks Howard,

When you hit reply in now goes to the Group and not the individual. so....


Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Howard Bingham
To: railspot@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [RS] Hill Country Flyer


From Austin take US-183 north, when you get to Cedar Park, turn right,
just before you get to the HEB store.. FM 1431 & follow your nose & ears
about a 1000 ft. to the tracks..

OR: From I-35, look for FM 1431 Exit either direction & head west (Into
the sun in the afternoon..

Howard Bingham

(Parents used to live in Lago Vista off of FM 1431)

--

mdmurray@flash.net wrote:
>
> Can some one give me directions to the Hill Country Flyer yard in
> Cedar Park, TX?
>
> I would love to get some shots of the Alcos.
>
> Mike
>
--


RS: High Winds -foot in mouth!

Bill Wasinger
 

Oooops! I spoke too soon. After reading the WFAA
story, I saw the train *was* stopped in Gainesville.
I was operating under the assumption it was rolling.
Sorry gang...long week! Mental note: engage brain
before accessing keyboard!

WSW
--- Bill Wasinger <bwasinger@yahoo.com> wrote:
My question here is, Where was the contract weather
service used by BNSF that should have warned the NOC
about this? Based on the storm reports I've seen,
the
intensity of the winds was evident back to the west
and northwest. And I've always operated on the
belief
that 50-60 mph crosswinds would get a train stopped
or
slowed. Perhaps Wes or Pat can chip in on the wind
threshold for putting up the red flag on trains.
I'm
not trying to point fingers but, as I make part of
my
living on the weather, I'm always curious when my
interests interact!

WSW
--- Mike Murray <mdmurray@flash.net> wrote:
High Winds Derail Freight Train
Reporter: Tabitha Goodwin
Updated: Feb 09, 2001 at 12:45PM



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GAINESVILLE, Texas - Straight-line winds caused
spectacular damage to a North Texas stretch of one
of the nation's largest rail lines early Friday.
The incident happened south of Gainesville, just
after 2 a.m. when 29 rail cars were toppled like
toys by the high winds.

Wind speeds were estimated to be nearly 100 miles
per hour along the Burlington Northern Santa Fe
line.

The train was heading from Fort Worth to Kansas
City. It had stopped just south of Gainesville for
a
crew change when strong winds blew 29 of the 122
cars off the track.

The cars were carrying appliances -- no hazardous
cargo. No one was hurt.

Railroad spokesperon Jerry Jenkins explained the
RoadRailer cars involved in the derailment can
also
be used on highways, so they are lighter than
traditional box cars. That may have made them more
susceptible to the winds.

Work was underway Friday to clear the derailed
cars
and repair the damaged rail line.



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Reserved.

Keep it on track!
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Re: [RS] High Winds Derail Freight Train

Bill Wasinger
 

My question here is, Where was the contract weather
service used by BNSF that should have warned the NOC
about this? Based on the storm reports I've seen, the
intensity of the winds was evident back to the west
and northwest. And I've always operated on the belief
that 50-60 mph crosswinds would get a train stopped or
slowed. Perhaps Wes or Pat can chip in on the wind
threshold for putting up the red flag on trains. I'm
not trying to point fingers but, as I make part of my
living on the weather, I'm always curious when my
interests interact!

WSW
--- Mike Murray <mdmurray@flash.net> wrote:
High Winds Derail Freight Train
Reporter: Tabitha Goodwin
Updated: Feb 09, 2001 at 12:45PM



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GAINESVILLE, Texas - Straight-line winds caused
spectacular damage to a North Texas stretch of one
of the nation's largest rail lines early Friday.
The incident happened south of Gainesville, just
after 2 a.m. when 29 rail cars were toppled like
toys by the high winds.

Wind speeds were estimated to be nearly 100 miles
per hour along the Burlington Northern Santa Fe
line.

The train was heading from Fort Worth to Kansas
City. It had stopped just south of Gainesville for a
crew change when strong winds blew 29 of the 122
cars off the track.

The cars were carrying appliances -- no hazardous
cargo. No one was hurt.

Railroad spokesperon Jerry Jenkins explained the
RoadRailer cars involved in the derailment can also
be used on highways, so they are lighter than
traditional box cars. That may have made them more
susceptible to the winds.

Work was underway Friday to clear the derailed cars
and repair the damaged rail line.



Copyright: 2001 by WFAA-TV Co. All Rights Reserved.

Keep it on track!
Mike Murray
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Link to WFAA story on BNSF Gainesville derailment

mdmurray@...
 

Here is the link to the BNSF Gainesville derailment. It has a good
picture of the derailment for those on the net.
Copy and paste this in your address space.

http://www.wfaa.com/wfaa/articledisplay/0,1002,19947,00.html


Dates and Times

mdmurray@...
 

Looks like the dates and times have been corrected on THE New
RailSpot.

Mike


High Winds Derail Freight Train

Mike Murray <mdmurray@...>
 

High Winds Derail Freight Train
Reporter: Tabitha Goodwin
Updated: Feb 09, 2001 at 12:45PM



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GAINESVILLE, Texas - Straight-line winds caused spectacular damage to a North Texas stretch of one of the nation's largest rail lines early Friday.
The incident happened south of Gainesville, just after 2 a.m. when 29 rail cars were toppled like toys by the high winds.

Wind speeds were estimated to be nearly 100 miles per hour along the Burlington Northern Santa Fe line.

The train was heading from Fort Worth to Kansas City. It had stopped just south of Gainesville for a crew change when strong winds blew 29 of the 122 cars off the track.

The cars were carrying appliances -- no hazardous cargo. No one was hurt.

Railroad spokesperon Jerry Jenkins explained the RoadRailer cars involved in the derailment can also be used on highways, so they are lighter than traditional box cars. That may have made them more susceptible to the winds.

Work was underway Friday to clear the derailed cars and repair the damaged rail line.



Copyright: 2001 by WFAA-TV Co. All Rights Reserved.

Keep it on track!
Mike Murray
mdmurray@flash.net
=I=I=I=I=I=I=I=I=I=I=I=I=


UP United Way Unit

Mike Murray <mdmurray@...>
 

Equipment ID L/E Billed Event Road Location Date/Time Destination Flat Car Ramp
Info

UP3300 Empty No Departed Emmet, AR 02/09/01 21:18
Empty No ETA Destination Valjct, IL 02/10/01 23:21


SOO & CP units

Mike Murray <mdmurray@...>
 

Equipment ID L/E Billed Event Road Location Date/Time Destination Flat Car Ramp
Info

SOO761 Empty No Departed Marith, TX 02/09/01 08:30
Empty No ETA Destination Texarkana, AR 02/09/01 17:46

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

SOO789 Empty No Departed Marith, TX 02/09/01 08:30
Empty No ETA Destination Texarkana, AR 02/09/01 17:46

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

SOO6018 Empty No Estimated Departure Houston, TX 02/09/01 20:00
Empty No ETA Destination Livonia, LA 02/10/01 07:00

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

CP785 Empty No Yard Arrival Englewood, TX 02/07/01 05:11


Hill Country Flyer

mdmurray@...
 

Can some one give me directions to the Hill Country Flyer yard in
Cedar Park, TX?

I would love to get some shots of the Alcos.

Mike


getting there

Mike Murray <mdmurray@...>
 

I see we are all getting signed up.This time last night we had 87 members on the new Railspot. Now we have 146.

No more withdrawls.

Keep it on track!
Mike Murray
mdmurray@flash.net
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dates and times

Mike Murray <mdmurray@...>
 

Date and time on my computer is with Atom Time http://www.atomtime.com the best time in the world. It said 11 pm last night (Thursday), when I sent the post and it said 5am ish Friday morning when it was received a couple of minutes later on the Railspot website but my computer still said 11 pm ish on Thursday.

It is not my computer.

If you all want to check the clock on your puter go to the Atom Time website address.

Keep it on track!
Mike Murray
mdmurray@flash.net
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----- Original Message -----
From: Earl Needham
To: railspot@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [railspot] dates and times


At 07:36 AM 2/9/01 -0700, I sent:
><snip>
> Time check -- it should say approx 7:36 AM 2/9/01 -0700
>
> Earl

And it did, so Yahoo Groups isn't the culprit.

Unless you've already checked, the most likely culprit is the date
and time on your computer. Most email programs (ALL the ones I know) stamp
outgoing email with your computer's date and time, and it isn't changed
down the line anywhere.

Earl


Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:KD5XB@AMSAT.ORG
Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk N34d 25.446m W103d 12.700m (or so)

Pet peeve: breath is a noun, breathe is a verb (When you take a breath,
you breathe...)


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Ft Smith RR

Mike Murray <mdmurray@...>
 

Mike
I thought you might like to see this letter to the editor of the Fort
Smith SW Times Record about the recent derailments of the A&M on the Ft.
Smith RR tracks.
Herb
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Dear Editor


Interesting that on the day before the article on the A&M railroad
derailment I received an article from a friend in Peoria IL. According to an
article in The Peoria Times-Observer, "Pioneer Railcorp CEO Guy Brinkman
received pay representing 44.85 percent of company profits."
Another article my friend sent at the same time is from The Star Journal,
also in Peoria , dated 11-28-2000. "Tonight should mark the end of the line
for Pioneer Railcorp, and it's brazen efforts to block a recreational trail
through Peoria on land that Peorians own."

Jerry Akins
Fort Smith


BNSF winter weather advisory

Mike Murray <mdmurray@...>
 

To: All BNSF Customers


02/09/2001


Winter Weather-Texas and Midwestern States


A severe winter storm has moved across the Texas Panhandle and is expected to move towards the
Midwest in the next 24 hours. This winter storm created blizzard conditions through the areas of
Argonia, Kansas and Gage, Oklahoma. Conditions have hampered terminal, train and hub operations
through the Texas Panhandle, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Nebraska. Storm system is expected to move into
the Chicago area in the next 24 hours.

Customers may experience delays to availabilities of 8 to 24 hours on traffic operating throughout
this region. We will continue to update our service interruption hotline (888-428-2673 option 6),
as more information becomes available.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Burlington Northern Santa Fe Copyright © 2000. All Rights Reserved.


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UP 2971 vs. truck & trailer in Wisconsin

wisckee@...
 

UP2971 the point engine of 5 on a grain train thru Eau Claire Wisconsin,
struck a stalled semi tractor (almost brand new with 700 miles on od) &
trailer on a grade crossing in the middle of the city early this morning.
Driver said that he got stuck on the crossing as the road surface was too
slippery for him to move off the crossing & up the hill away from the tracks.
Tractor & trailer are total loss. UP2971 suffered minor front damage, (
missing ditch lights, grab railings, & the plow bent). Local media coverage
showed the tractor on its side on the north side of the crossing, with the
tractor hung up on the 5th unit. The trailer took out the crossing gate, a
switch stand & damaged a signal hut.
Dave


Re: [RS] ANOTHER POSSIBLE RAIL FAN SITE COMING?

Don Ross <don0731@...>
 

I am a conservative. My boss, Paul Weyrich, is a conservative. The New New Electric Railway Journal is sponsored by the Free Congress Foundation, a conservative think tank. It is my opinion that these people are not conservatives, but people with the same "hand-out" mentality as our recently departed President. Please do not refer to them as conservatives, but rather, as representatives of special interest groups. I certainly don't want to be in the same "club" with them.

At 06:24 PM 2/9/2001, you wrote:
Now if the NUTS who have Houston METRO Light Rail tied up in court & get
their collective heads out of the sand & take off their rose colored
sunglasses, Houston could be down this path..

However attempts at changing minds in Austin have tossed the apple crate
back to the "young" Republican Judge in State District Court in Houston to
look for answers.. (Not that I have anything against Republican's, but most
of the "Anti-light rail sentiment in Houston is coming from
"ultra-conservative" politicians seeking to keep their name in the news as
TERM LIMITATIONS are kicking them out of City of Houston Council races..)

Shades of Tom DeLay...!

Howard Bingham
(An independent voter)

--
At 07:10 PM 2/9/01 EST, gerterkell@aol.com wrote:
Airport considers rail service options
By Bryon Okada
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

WALNUT SPRINGS -- From a tunnel that would connect D/ FW Airport to
Dallas to
a rail line that would take passengers directly to terminal gates, airport
officials plan to take a serious look at rail service.

Dallas/Fort Worth Airport intends to partner with the North Central Texas
Council of Governments and area transit agencies to study options for
increasing rail transportation in the Metroplex during the next decade.

In doing so, D/FW has gone from watching the fledgling development of
commuter rail lines such as the Trinity Railway Express to being an
advocate
of multi-modal connections.

"D/FW has become an active player in rail planning for the Metroplex," said
John Mok, airport vice president of planning. "The airport is a
transportation business, and the manner in which we can offer a
multitude of
transportation services is a diversification of our business."

The airport board is having a two-day retreat at the Rough Creek Lodge
south
of Glen Rose to evaluate the strategic plan it adopted nine months ago
and to
discuss how to incorporate a Disney-esque customer service attitude. As a
preface to that discussion, airport board members were given a list of
options being considered for airport rail service.

D/FW is considering rail service because of traffic congestion on Metroplex
freeways and the air pollution that comes with it. Also, rail
connections to
the airport are included in the plan to bring the 2012 Olympics to Dallas.

Atlanta Hartsfield and Chicago O'Hare airports have rail connections.
Minneapolis, Miami, Las Vegas and Newark airports are in the planning phase
for rail connections. San Francisco Airport recently expanded its capital
development program, which like D/FW's includes an international
terminal and
a people-mover system, to tie into Bay Area Rapid Transit.

"Rail to D/FW is not a unique idea," Mok said.

Several general options are being discussed:

* Building a spur from the Rock Island line currently used by the Trinity
Railway Express into D/FW Airport.

* Building a rail station in the Grapevine part of the airport south of
Texas
114 and west of International Parkway, where passengers could catch a
bus to
the terminals.

* Building a rail line along International Parkway, connecting the Cotton
Belt line to the north with the Rock Island line to the south. Such a line
would take passengers directly to the terminals.

* Building a tunnel for rail service beneath Irving that would connect
downtown Dallas and the airport.

Airport board members say that rail will get Texans out of their vehicles
only if the service is dependable and convenient, something that existing
rail lines to airports do not always deliver.

At international airports with rail connections to downtown, the wait
varied
from 15 minutes in Frankfurt to 42 minutes in Paris, airport officials
said.
Domestically, Atlanta Hartsfield's train took 16 minutes to take passengers
from downtown Atlanta to the airport.

"I used the train at Charles de Gaulle Airport [in Paris] and it was
horrible," airport board Chairman Tom Dunning said. "We had a stop every
five
minutes and it took an hour to get there."

Airport officials say that whichever option becomes the preferred scenario,
it will be a major endeavor.

"It's going to be expensive ... probably hundreds of millions of dollars,"
airport chief executive officer Jeff Fegan said.

A possible obstacle is that if transit authorities or state and federal
funds
cannot be secured for the project, the airport would probably have to issue
bonds to raise enough money to build a rail connection.

Because D/FW is a residual airport -- all other revenue sources are used
and
then the airlines pay the remainder -- the airlines would have to OK such a
bond issue.

"If we have to get airline approval and this doesn't bring in more
passengers, that may be difficult," Fegan said.

Bryon Okada, (817) 685-3853

Don Ross
Irving, Texas
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Re: [RS] Son of Coe Sun - Tarantula part 41

Lorija799@...
 

Maybe Grapevine and the Age of Steam could get their heads together and
decide how to collectively continue to make North Texas Railroad Preservation
the laughing stock of the planet. They both have great collections of
equipment and not any idea of what to do with them exept to frustrate the
efforts of those with an inkling of how to make things happen to the good
with it.


Re: [RS] Look at the Dates and Times

Gerard Kelley
 

Thought while pondering what ever I did wrong and thinking maybe it isn't me
but technology that made me think I'd never crash and lose anything but now
it's too late anyhow...kelley blasted out.....

Do you think yahoo is using cheap overseas underage workers to read, analyze,
transcribe and resend these messages from a far away time zone, then
manipulating the winds, signals, and the distribution of electricity and
fossil fuels?


Re: [RS] ANOTHER POSSIBLE RAIL FAN SITE COMING?

Howard Bingham
 

Now if the NUTS who have Houston METRO Light Rail tied up in court & get
their collective heads out of the sand & take off their rose colored
sunglasses, Houston could be down this path..

However attempts at changing minds in Austin have tossed the apple crate
back to the "young" Republican Judge in State District Court in Houston to
look for answers.. (Not that I have anything against Republican's, but most
of the "Anti-light rail sentiment in Houston is coming from
"ultra-conservative" politicians seeking to keep their name in the news as
TERM LIMITATIONS are kicking them out of City of Houston Council races..)

Shades of Tom DeLay...!

Howard Bingham
(An independent voter)

--

At 07:10 PM 2/9/01 EST, gerterkell@aol.com wrote:
Airport considers rail service options
By Bryon Okada
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

WALNUT SPRINGS -- From a tunnel that would connect D/ FW Airport to Dallas to
a rail line that would take passengers directly to terminal gates, airport
officials plan to take a serious look at rail service.

Dallas/Fort Worth Airport intends to partner with the North Central Texas
Council of Governments and area transit agencies to study options for
increasing rail transportation in the Metroplex during the next decade.

In doing so, D/FW has gone from watching the fledgling development of
commuter rail lines such as the Trinity Railway Express to being an advocate
of multi-modal connections.

"D/FW has become an active player in rail planning for the Metroplex," said
John Mok, airport vice president of planning. "The airport is a
transportation business, and the manner in which we can offer a multitude of
transportation services is a diversification of our business."

The airport board is having a two-day retreat at the Rough Creek Lodge south
of Glen Rose to evaluate the strategic plan it adopted nine months ago and to
discuss how to incorporate a Disney-esque customer service attitude. As a
preface to that discussion, airport board members were given a list of
options being considered for airport rail service.

D/FW is considering rail service because of traffic congestion on Metroplex
freeways and the air pollution that comes with it. Also, rail connections to
the airport are included in the plan to bring the 2012 Olympics to Dallas.

Atlanta Hartsfield and Chicago O'Hare airports have rail connections.
Minneapolis, Miami, Las Vegas and Newark airports are in the planning phase
for rail connections. San Francisco Airport recently expanded its capital
development program, which like D/FW's includes an international terminal and
a people-mover system, to tie into Bay Area Rapid Transit.

"Rail to D/FW is not a unique idea," Mok said.

Several general options are being discussed:

* Building a spur from the Rock Island line currently used by the Trinity
Railway Express into D/FW Airport.

* Building a rail station in the Grapevine part of the airport south of Texas
114 and west of International Parkway, where passengers could catch a bus to
the terminals.

* Building a rail line along International Parkway, connecting the Cotton
Belt line to the north with the Rock Island line to the south. Such a line
would take passengers directly to the terminals.

* Building a tunnel for rail service beneath Irving that would connect
downtown Dallas and the airport.

Airport board members say that rail will get Texans out of their vehicles
only if the service is dependable and convenient, something that existing
rail lines to airports do not always deliver.

At international airports with rail connections to downtown, the wait varied
from 15 minutes in Frankfurt to 42 minutes in Paris, airport officials said.
Domestically, Atlanta Hartsfield's train took 16 minutes to take passengers
from downtown Atlanta to the airport.

"I used the train at Charles de Gaulle Airport [in Paris] and it was
horrible," airport board Chairman Tom Dunning said. "We had a stop every five
minutes and it took an hour to get there."

Airport officials say that whichever option becomes the preferred scenario,
it will be a major endeavor.

"It's going to be expensive ... probably hundreds of millions of dollars,"
airport chief executive officer Jeff Fegan said.

A possible obstacle is that if transit authorities or state and federal funds
cannot be secured for the project, the airport would probably have to issue
bonds to raise enough money to build a rail connection.

Because D/FW is a residual airport -- all other revenue sources are used and
then the airlines pay the remainder -- the airlines would have to OK such a
bond issue.

"If we have to get airline approval and this doesn't bring in more
passengers, that may be difficult," Fegan said.

Bryon Okada, (817) 685-3853


A FWD from Steve Grabman

Ron Roman <rroman@...>
 

Date sent: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:09:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Grabman <sgrabman@yahoo.com>
Subject: OS Sunray and Duncan, OK. 02/08/01


02/08/01

Sunray, Oklahoma

11:29 a.m.
1-WDCDC-08 (Work Extra based in Duncan, OK.)
Direction: Back and forth
UP 4763 SD40-2M

01 Cars
-----------------------------------------------------
Duncan, Oklahoma

11:51 a.m.
1-GEHOOT-07 (Grain Empty Houston, TX. - Overton, NE.)
Direction: Northbound
UP 3931 SD40-2
UP 3825 SD40-2
UP 3547 SD40-2

76 Cars
-----------------------------------------------------

Steve Grabman
Duncan, Oklahoma


Ron Roman, KD5CYW
Altus, OK


Re: [RS] Double deuce 48

Lorija799@...
 

PS
If Grapevine was real interested in running steam and making money, why
didn't they follow through with the lease offer they made to Arkansas
shortlines? AS I understand it, theywere getting a more powerful engine for
less money than the 2248 was going to run.
HRM

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