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[SunsetFriends] Sunset Limited changes days of departure

Robert B Hall <rbhrr@...>
 

Forwarded from the SunsetFriends list:

This will change the days of the CHI-LAX thru car operations on the Texas
Eagle.

--------- Begin forwarded message ----------
From: Howard Bingham <howardb@hal-pc.org>
To: SunsetFriends@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SunsetFriends] Sunset Limited changes days of departure
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:31:54 -0500 (CDT)

Informational post:

Redirected from the All_Aboard list..

As a matter of note, it should be pointed out that a well known travel
agent
on the All_Aboard list confirms that the dates have been approved by all
levels of both Amtrak and Union Pacific management..

The time schedule itself will remain close to the existing one as noted
in
the post below..

The changes will be in effect on May 29, 2001 according to my source or
information.

--
[redirected from all_aboard list]
--

AA:

I got word today on some Amtrak schedule changes. Here is what I have
heard about the Sunset Limited. That very long distance Amtrak train.

The Sunset Limited from Orlando will change the days it departs. The new
days of departure from Orlando will be Sunday, Tuesday, and Thursday.
.From LA the days of departure will be Sunday, Wednesday and Friday. I
will post more later on the changes this will have on the Tx. Eagle
through car operation with the Sunset



--
Ray Dunbar
Along the route of the Texas Eagle
--------- End forwarded message ----------


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Robertsburg, Boiseton & Hallsville Railroad
Dallas
A T55TS&BS member (and missing it)
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Re: RS: Towfiffiv, TX

Robert B Hall <rbhrr@...>
 

UP has had the AEI readers at Tower 55 for some time. Back when the
"Train List Generator" was still up & running, I would often see Tower 55
as a location. The east-west AEI readers are located just east of the
I-35W bridge (before the east & south wye turnouts). The north-south AEI
readers are located just north of the east & west wye turnouts.

Robert B. Hall (rbhrr@juno.com)
Robertsburg, Boiseton & Hallsville Railroad
Dallas
A T55TS&BS member (and missing it)
Always expect a train! Stop LOOK & Listen ... and you'll live!

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:57:35 -0500 "MIKE MURRAY" <mdmurray@flash.net>
writes:

When did they start using Tower 55 as a trace location? This is the
first time I have seen it.

Mike
Results
Equipment ID L/E Billed Event Road Location Date/Time
Destination Flat Car Ramp
Info

UP4014 Empty No Arrived Towfiffiv, TX 04/09/01
16:05
Empty No ETA Destination Ftworth, TX 04/09/01 16









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OCPD vs Train

Bnsfhobo@...
 

As the way that this thread has headed I must say that I am getting pretty
disappointed.
I have been a railfan for thirty years and a police officer for 15 years.
Most railfans I have met have been honest law abiding people. In my line of
work we call them "Good guys". We expect the cop bashing from the people in
the backseat of the patrol car.

when we are ready to get back to talking about trains change this thread to "
thank God for seat belts and airbags !

Hugh in OKC


Re: RS: Longview tonight

chuck harris <harris491@...>
 

That's what I thought too. Is usually a truck such as
U-haul. All kinds of blinking lights and warning signs
"low clearance". Sometimes they can deflate tires and
back out. Apparently not tonight as line is still blocked.

CH

Howard Bingham wrote:

At 11:12 PM 4/10/01 -0500, chuck harris wrote:
RS:

The low underpass on South Green St. west claimed another
"victum" tonight when a bus was too tall for the structure and
is stuck under it.
--

A BUS........?

That's weird..

Howard Bingham

--
Rock train westbound, (R-PKCU) can't
go across the underpass until M of W checks it out.
1105 PM bus still stuck. Nothing moving west.

814 PM ALDBH Northbound off Palestine Sub
UP 9115 UP 3666 SP 5393
TFM 20071 UP 961108
88 cars stopped 821 pm deptd 836 pm

945 PM G-EBWPO (?) Northbound off Palestine Sub
SSW 9699 UP 4828
CNW 480804 UP 88966
about 65 cars mty grain train by 848 PM
--
[snip]
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Train nee Tornado Chase

Bill Wasinger
 

As a large blanket of cirrus clouds precluded any
daylight convective development, today's highly
anticipated turned into an unplanned day of train
chasing. I had an inkling the train gods were on our
side today (even if the storm gods weren't) when we
spotted a northbound UP M train on the Enid sub while
leaving Okarche, OK. A pause in Watonga, OK gave me
an opportunity to check out a caboose number on the
AT&L for Roger K. From there, it was west to Higgins,
TX and the BNSF transcon.

We picked up the Panhandle sub at about 5:00 p.m. and
I think we may have just caught the end of a
maintenance window as we we spotted 5 eastbounders
(M, V, G, and Z) between Higgins and Canadian. The
highlight was the eastbound Z with 8 DASH-9s, a GP60B,
and a yellow bonnet SD40 on the point. No evidence of
the Friday blow over/derail at Clear Creek, btw.
Dinner at DQ in Canadian and a pause by the tracks
gave us another eastbound Z, V, and M train before we
hit the road.

Finally, passing back through Okarche on the way in,
we spotted a northbound M that was cut for the
crossings, that sported CSX DASH-8 5934 on the
point. The northbound crew was DOL and I also managed
to catch a southbound M train with SP 8337 (I think)
SD-40-2T on the point.

All in all, a nice batch of lemonade for an overall
lemon of a day!

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Re: RS: DFW area railfanning

Jimmy Barlow <jimbarlow@...>
 

Below is info I keep on file.

One of the best places to watch trains in the Dallas area (specifically
excluding Ft. Worth) is Dallas Union Terminal (a.k.a. Union Station),
downtown at 401 S. Houston St, very near Reunion Tower and Arena. There
you'll see UP and (some) BNSF mainline road freights and transfers, DGNO
transfers, and Amtrak's Texas Eagle (and soon the new Crescent Star).
But the big show here is DART (Dallas Area Rapid Transit), which uses
new LRV's. On their line to Ft. Worth, DART partner Trinity Railway
Express (TRE) uses rebuilt RDC's and other heavy rail equipment.
Overhead views from wide sidewalks are available from twin bridges just
south of the station (excludes TRE). All tracks run approx. north-south
here, but the UP main turns west just north of the station. This area
along the west edge of downtown is reasonably safe. (I guess history
demands an exception for U.S. presidents railfanning in open
convertibles!)

If you don't want to mess with downtown traffic/parking, then ride there
in style on a DART train or bus from an outlying area, tho I don't know
how convenient their schedules are, esp on weekends and holidays (try
the DART link in the web site mentioned below). Parking is free, tho
unguarded, at all DART Transit Centers. Without having done this
myself, for train travel I would recommend using either their Park Lane
station (north Dallas just east of Central Expressway [US-75] at the
Park Lane exit) or one of the Trinity Rwy Express stations anywhere from
Irving to Ft. Worth (see Irving below).

As with any large city, you can encounter BIG delays on highways and
streets, esp during rush hours. AM radio stations KRLD-1080 and
WBAP-820 broadcast frequent traffic reports for both Dallas and Tarrant
(Ft. Worth) counties.

For those flying in to DFW Airport, AirDART provides hourly (reduced on
holidays) shuttlebus service between there and Dallas Union Terminal,
including some major hotels, from 6 a.m. until 10 p.m. (plus another at
midnight), 7 days a week. The 1-hour trip costs $8 (as of July '97),
exact fare in cash or travelers checks only. Trinity Rwy Express has a
station just south of the airport; I _think_ there are shuttlebusses
between that station and various airport terminals.

West-northwest of DUT ~8 miles in downtown Irving, BNSF's north-south
ex-Frisco main line wyes into their east-west (at this location)
ex-Rock Island main at the DART/TRE "South" Irving station. This is 1.5
miles south of the Airport Freeway (Texas 183) via O'Connor Rd.
(Immediately after the rr underpass on O'Connor, turn left/east on Rock
Island Rd, which runs along the south edge of the east-west main west of
the wye.) Or, Mon-Sat you can ride an RDC out here from Big D! TRE
currently runs as far west as the east edge of Ft. Worth. The TRE
storage/maintenance facility is about 5 miles west of the South Irving
station on the north side of Rock Island; if the RDC's aren't running
you can see some there. Some TRE trains use conventional heavy rail
equipment instead of RDC's. This is the only DART route that also
carries freight, including some UP. IMPORTANT: Several (but not all)
BNSF freights use a west-north routing at the wye and never enter
downtown Dallas.

A similar situation exists for lots of UP trains that use their
intermodal ramp to the east near the Dallas/Mesquite city limit or the
ex-SP Miller Yard in south Dallas. Miller is just east of I-45 on
Linfield Rd, but BE CAREFUL in this neighborhood. Loop 12 (Ledbetter
Dr) also crosses the ex-SP main just south of the yard. The Mesquite
intermodal facility is located 1 crow-mile south of US-80 via Big Town
Blvd or Town East Blvd (it's on Forney Ave between the two).

If you want KCS mainline action, head northeast. Their Dallas Yard is
on the east side of Garland Rd (Texas 78) at Santa Anna St, 1 mile south
of LBJ Freeway (I-635). In addition to a few KCS units, a contract
terminal switching service uses a couple of black geeps.

But more (and more accessible) action can be found another 14 miles
north in Wylie, where the KCS mains from Dallas and Ft. Worth come
together. The west end of a new yard begins 1.5 miles north of downtown
Wylie right behind the municipal complex on the west side of hwy 78.
Trains 8, 12, 26, and 308 go west (compass south) to Dallas; 88, 202,
and 608 go west thru Plano to Ft. Worth (BNSF's Alliance Yd); 7, 11, 25,
and 307 go east (north) from Dallas; 87, 201, and 607 go east from Ft.
Worth. At least a half dozen of these will run in daylight (even in
winter), maybe more. Nos. 7/607/8/608 will often have Norfolk Southern
run-thru power. The line is CTC north and east of CP-198 (near the east
end of Wylie Yd) but is radio-dispatched south and west of there, so a
scanner is VERY helpful (160.26 and 160.35 MHz). The Lavon Dam area is
scenic, and there's a fishing area at the west end that's also a good
place to "catch" the KCS action, with parking, restrooms, etc. Hike
under the trestle to get a rr view with the spillway gates right behind
(unless they're releasing too much water thru the gates).

Between the KCS Dallas and Wylie yards via Texas 78, RailTex short line
Dallas, Garland & Northeastern (DGNO) has an office on the north edge of
downtown Garland at 425 N. 5th (at Walnut), just west of the KCS/DGNO
diamond. Besides their own geeps, they've recently had some from Texas
Northeastern, Austin & Northwestern, Goderich-Exeter, Central Oregon &
Pacific, New England Central, and Cape Breton & Central Nova Scotia.
You might even see their 2 Missouri & Northern Arkansas SD20's! (These
usually hang around downtown Dallas, but do make runs to Garland over
the KCS.) An inquiry in their office will usually garner permission to
photograph. DGNO has recently opened a 2nd operating hub in the
northwest Dallas suburb of Carrollton where the BNSF main, ex-SSW Ft.
Worth branch, and ex-MKT Denton branch all cross each other, just
northeast of the I-35E/Belt Line Rd interchange. Inquire in the office
there. Due to DART construction thru Garland, Carrollton is now the
most likely place to catch DGNO power.

BNSF's Alliance Yd (also used by KCS)vis ~18 miles north of downtown Ft.
Worth in/near the town of Haslet, which is on Farm Road 156. From 156,
turn west on Main by the fire station (or from nearby I-35W go west on
Keller-Haslet Rd, which becomes Main) and go until you have to turn (~2
blocks), then turn right/north on 2nd which will soon take you along the
west side of Alliance (i.e, come in the p.m.). (Note: A map I have
shows this as John Day Rd, but the yard office sign says Keller-Haslet
Rd.) Bring a telephoto! You can approach the east side of the yd via
the truck entrance off of 156 just north of Haslet, but about all you'll
see is trailers and containers. The intermodal facility here is
switched by the subcontractor Quality Terminal Services, but it is
extremely difficult to find and photograph their 2 blue switchers. 156
hugs the ATSF main from the south side of Haslet north for ~25 miles.
You can see both the north and south leads to Alliance from this road.
Since the BNSF merger, the south end sees the most traffic, but remember
that KCS comes here only from the north, from the KCS connection just
north of Krum. Also keep in mind that at least a few trains stay on the
old main thru downtown Haslet and never enter Alliance. When staking
out the north mainline switch (called Lambert), be advised that a
detector between Justin and Ponder will give an approx. 5-minute notice
of a southbounder, unless it gets stabbed in Justin siding.

Other things to see/ride: The McKinney Avenue Trolley and the Age of
Steam RR Museum in Dallas; the restored Texas Electric interurban depot
and car in Plano; and the Tarantula tourist train between Grapevine and
Ft. Worth (formerly pulled by "the country's oldest daily-operating
steam engine," a 19th-century ex-SP 4-6-0 that unfortunately is out of
service). Of course, the biggest railfan draw in this whole REGION is
Ft. Worth, esp Tower 55. But new freeway construction at the tower has
already severely degraded the views there, not to mention having made
travel around it more difficult and hazardous. But it's still a great
place to find a train to just watch, or to chase.

For more info on these and other attractions, I highly recommend you
explore Cy Martin's "Ft. Worth/Dallas Rail Scene" located at
<http://www.railspot.com/DFWRailscene/>. The charge for all this free
info is a complete Railspot report on your trip!

Jimmy Barlow
Leonard, TX


Re: RS: Longview tonight

Howard Bingham
 

At 11:12 PM 4/10/01 -0500, chuck harris wrote:
RS:

The low underpass on South Green St. west claimed another
"victum" tonight when a bus was too tall for the structure and
is stuck under it.
--

A BUS........?

That's weird..

Howard Bingham

--
Rock train westbound, (R-PKCU) can't
go across the underpass until M of W checks it out.
1105 PM bus still stuck. Nothing moving west.

814 PM ALDBH Northbound off Palestine Sub
UP 9115 UP 3666 SP 5393
TFM 20071 UP 961108
88 cars stopped 821 pm deptd 836 pm

945 PM G-EBWPO (?) Northbound off Palestine Sub
SSW 9699 UP 4828
CNW 480804 UP 88966
about 65 cars mty grain train by 848 PM
--
[snip]
--


Longview tonight

chuck harris <harris491@...>
 

RS:

The low underpass on South Green St. west claimed another
"victum" tonight when a bus was too tall for the structure and
is stuck under it. Rock train westbound, (R-PKCU) can't
go across the underpass until M of W checks it out.
1105 PM bus still stuck. Nothing moving west.

814 PM ALDBH Northbound off Palestine Sub
UP 9115 UP 3666 SP 5393
TFM 20071 UP 961108
88 cars stopped 821 pm deptd 836 pm

945 PM G-EBWPO (?) Northbound off Palestine Sub
SSW 9699 UP 4828
CNW 480804 UP 88966
about 65 cars mty grain train by 848 PM

946 PM W-MQDU Eastbound from Mineola
couldn't see power because of mty grain train
TTEX 353995
by 850 PM

No. 22 AMTK 70 and 11
B TS SC DC SSL C C C SC w/3 express box and
7 RR'ers. arrd 908 PM, had to make two station stops
deptd 923 PM

927 PM QBLNL Northbound off Palestine Sub
UP 9489 had to set out engine UP 9471 or 9474 acct
mech problems; was put in Norton spur just south of
Cotton St. grade xing.
CCBX 57351 CCX 609 PAL 850903
by 926 pm. Train to yard track #3 and will
run conn later. 32 cars.

935 PM QHOCH Northbound off Palestine Sub
UP 9297 SP 8352 WC 6579
WC 83094 TSE 6002 CCBX 5163
by 938 pm with 41 cars

ZEGME by detector MP 4.9 1050 PM
Texas Eastman chemical loads by 1045 PM

Chuck Harris


Towfiffiv, TX

MIKE MURRAY <mdmurray@...>
 

When did they start using Tower 55 as a trace location? This is the first time I have seen it.

Mike
Results
Equipment ID L/E Billed Event Road Location Date/Time Destination Flat Car Ramp
Info

UP4014 Empty No Arrived Towfiffiv, TX 04/09/01 16:05
Empty No ETA Destination Ftworth, TX 04/09/01 16


Trace on UP train that has been there over 36 hours

MIKE MURRAY <mdmurray@...>
 

Results
Equipment ID L/E Billed Event Road Location Date/Time Destination Flat Car Ramp
Info

UP231 Empty No Estimated Departure Ftworth, TX 04/10/01 10:30
Empty No ETA Destination Ftworth, TX 04/10/01 16:00

--------------------------------------------------------------------

UP2523 Empty No Estimated Departure Ftworth, TX 04/10/01 10:30
Empty No ETA Destination Ftworth, TX 04/10/01 16:00

--------------------------------------------------------------------

UP762 Empty No Estimated Departure Ftworth, TX 04/10/01 10:30
Empty No ETA Destination Ftworth, TX 04/10/01 16:00


BNSF worm train trace

MIKE MURRAY <mdmurray@...>
 

I don't understand how a car can have two destinations but this is the trace of the car on the worm train I saw this afternoon.



Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway

Load
Empty Equipment
ID Current Rptg
Road Final ETA Intchg
Road
Location St Evt Date Time Destination St Date Hour Evt Destination St
L BNSF476989 MORGAN TX P 04/10 19:01 BNSF LAREDO TX 04/11 10 J CORCHRIST TX

g


Out and about in Fort Worth today

MIKE MURRAY <mdmurray@...>
 

13:00 UP 4014 (wings), B3556, 6361, 4775, ???? led a westbound train holding at Beach Street headed toward tower 55. Intermodal passed it. I catch up to it later and report is below.

Amtrak #5 was on the Heartland.

CNW was the trailing unit on a westbound UP train at the west end of Centennial Yard. Could not see the rest of the power.

UP 9536, 8644, & 628 led a westbound intermodal train at Control point T251 at the west end of Centennial. Both of these was close to 16:00.

UP 231, 2523, & 762 were leading a southbound train north of Tower 55 that had been sitting there for over 36 hours, and was still sitting there at 17:00.

17:30 Southbound BNSF worm train, did not see power but trace car is BNSF 476989.


UP 4004 (wings) lead a southbound a auto train holding just south of Hodge.

FWWR did not trade off the 1500 as reported a few weeks ago. It was on the Tarantula Train on Sunday.

It was pulling cars off the UP connecting track at Hodge at 20:00 this evening. I saw it on the way home.

Made a round trip to Decatur late this afternoon and saw nothing on the BNSF either way.

Keep It on Track!
Mike Murray
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Re: RS: Train Blown Over In NW Oklahoma????

Wes Leatherock <wleath@...>
 

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 friscojoe@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 4/8/01 5:09:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
ttowntrains@swbell.net writes:


OK, I give up. What is FAK?
FAK = Freight All Kinds... i.e. miscellaneous
But it may not be miscellaneous. Depends on the governing
tariff. For example, forwarder traffic, and more recently
trailes and containers, usually move as FAK, that is, the contents
don't matter and the rate is per car, per trailer or per
container.

Rather than a rate specific to one or more commodities,
which is or was the norm.


Wes Leatherock
wleath@sandbox.dynip.com


OS Dallas TX April 10

Lee B Shell <LeeBShell@...>
 

0850 holding eb at CPT916
UP 7576
CSXT 7364
CSXT 7768
with auto racks and intermodal
This may have been ILBDA, waiting for a chance to get into Miller Yard

I passed Perkins on the Railtran DFW Sub at 0925, where I saw the empty
coal train at the same time yesterday. This time, there was a light
engine move east out of Mockingbird yard:
UP 2304
SP 7833
--
Lee B Shell - Dallas


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Re: RS: Towfiffiv, TX

Gerard Kelley
 

So many trains are dying on the law there they are just finally acknowledging
the fact on the computer? Or is the Ginny Yard or old North coming back as an
engine/crew transfer point?
kelley


DFW area railfanning

Bob Tickner
 

Ron: Since you have done the big city scene, head for the country.
Railfan your way up to Denton on 35E, stopping in at Carrollton, check
for any activity on the DGNO at Belt Line Road and Denton Dr. Come on up
35E to Denton and check for any UP action in downtown Denton. Exit 35 at
Exit 464, US 77(Dallas Dr.) follow it into downtown Denton where you will
come under the UP. Explore the yard area and a passing siding to the
Northeast of Denton known as Mingo. This can be reached by following
Mingo road which parrells the tracks to the siding. You can also catch
quite a bit of BNSF and KCS action at the Metro siding/Junction just
north of Denton near I-35N at highway 156. Exit Rector road and
crossover I-35 heading back south, stay on the service road to 156.
Follow this along the tracks to the Crossover areas at 156 and Rector
road. This is a busy area between 11am and 1pm, with amtrak and the Z
train hands off a block of UPS pigs to the KCS at the Metro Crossovers.
You can follow the tracks on 156 south through Krum, Ponder, Justin and
Haslet. At Haslet turn right at Main street. Then to the stop sign, veer
right on John Day Road which will take you to the new BNSF Alliance Yard.

After spending some time around the Yard, go back to 156 and turn south
down to Saginaw to the big Elevators. Everywhere you look in Saginaw you
will find railroad tracks. Explore the area while you wait on several
trains.
Then back to Dallas via anyway you choose. Maybe others might have some
suggestions on this, like Highway 80 through Arlington, Grand Praire.
A scanner will be a big help in this venture. In Denton, the UP uses
160.515, BNSF uses 160.65, KCS uses 160.26 and 160.35. Alliance yard use
several freqs. Primary is 160.935.
Have a good Day. Looks like the weather forcast is going to be great.
Bob
Bob Tickner
Denton,TX
btickner@juno.com

On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:47:13 -0400 Ron Waldron <ron_waldron@bose.com>
writes:
I will be spending some time in the Dallas/Fort Worth area (a
weekend)
and just want to ask if there are any places that you can recommend.


I have spent time at Tower 55 and the engine servicing area, as
well
as visiting the railroad museum in Dallas.

I will have a car, and I'm willing to drive for a few hours to see
something different and interesting. I enjoyed spending time at
Tower 55, but after a while it gets old just setting there
watching.
I don't want to spend another entire weekend there.

Can anyone help me?

Ron Waldron
ron_waldron@bose.com

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os/Plano, Tx(from Highway 190/just east of Custer Road/4-10-01)

michael gitlin <michael_gitlin20012000@...>
 

Good Evening: (O-O-O-O-P-S!) I sent a message with no
body(just the to address, so please disregard). Here
is KCS/BNSF # 202-09 spotted going westbound at 4:46PM
I pulled off to the shoulder to watch the rollby:

Engines: BNSF 8249(SD-75I/Warbonnet); BNSF
788(C-44-9W/Warbonnet) and KCS 659(SD-40-3)
48 Cars (30 manifest cars and 10 intermodal cars
including, 5 Sets(5 + 0) Spine Flats, 2 Sets(3 + 0)
Spine Flats, 2 Sets(5 + 0)Double Stack Cars and
1 Set(0 + 3/Empty)Double Stack Cars
Trailers: J.B. Hunt; BNAU, & XTRA Leasing
Containers: J.B. Hunt(2 were on bogeys), Koyer,
Maersk-Sealand, NCAS and one Carlyle Refrigerator
Container. Have a good evening!

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