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San Antonio & central TX questions

George Jenista
 

Listers, is there still a rail connection at Ft. Sam Houston, and, if so,
any RR equipment stored there?

Re the ex-SP (Austin Metro) line northwest from Austin thru Cedar Park:
Further west, the passes near/thru Marble Falls, which is south-southwest
of Burnet. Do I understand then, the line jogs south, then back northwest
toward Llano?
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Hugo Hertigae Railroad/Kiamichi excursion train

bjennin1 <bjennin1@...>
 

To everyone writing about the Hugo excursion train situation:

I've been on the road for a few weeks so I am just now getting to see my
e-mail. I thought that I would help clear up some of the confusion and
concerns and misunderstandings about the operation at Hugo, Oklahoma.

First off, it is clear that many haven't spent much time riding the operation
or going to even see it recently, which helps explain why it was loosing
money. It is very easy to criticize when it is not your money going into the
operation.

As some of you know, I have leased the Hugo Heritage cars for several trips
around the area and operated extended charters over most of the Kiamichi.
Therefore, I probably know as well as anyone what is going on.

To start off with, the current operator is the Hugo Heritage Railroad, a part
of the Choctaw County tourism effort. It is operated by mostly volunteers who
work at the depot in Hugo, with paid Kiamichi train crews operating the actual
train. Locomotives are provided by the Kiamichi for a set fee. There is
limited support professional staff from the tourism office. Jean Browning has
headed this operation up for a number of years and has done a wonderful job
with very little financial support. Additionally, several others have
volunteered to serve as car hosts and mechanics on the equipment. Those who
have ridden the train also know that the operation has a small but dedicated
group of students who receive a small payment for their efforts to help them
go to college.

In its early days, the Kiamichi did provide some support for the operation but
did require the Hugo Heritage to cover insurance and crew costs for all
operations. State and federal funding helped to start the operation due to
the area's poor economic condition. Hugo Heritage operated a limited schedule
of most Saturdays with destinations in all directions based upon local events
and tour operator needs. However, several of these directions were limited by
freight activity and had to be arranged well in advance.

The county provided some funding but the operation was expected to cover its
own direct costs (insurance and railroad crew), plus operate the station
museum complex. Unfortunately, costs have greatly increased over the last few
years (crew costs are up and insurance is much higher) while ridership is down
on most weekends. Only those trips related to very special events were still
doing well. These included Santa Claus trips (especially those in Ashdown,
Arkansas, where I paid for the cars to be moved to several years ago) and fall
color trips. Unfortunately, these alone cannot pay these costs.

Jean Browning has been finding enough donations to keep the operation going
for the last few years but there has been nothing left to make inprovements to
the equipment or to heavily promote the operation. They actually came close
or did run out of funds last summer but ran on hoping that the fall would
cover the losses (plus I provided them a nice payment for the use of their
cars for the DeQueen trips which probably made the difference according to
them). Looking at 2001 and onward, the economics just don't make a great deal
of sense. While Jean Browning hopes to get more funding, it becomes a case
that the money must be in the bank. I'm sure that anyone who would like to
help by donating money or helping to raise funds or somehow operating the
train would be welcomed if they stepped forward. However, I find it
interesting that some of those complaining didn't ride or support the regular
operation very often or even participate in some of the special charters run
by the operation. Believe me, Jean was wonderful to work with and anyone
could have easily set up a trip or two to support the operation and have a
good day. It amazes me that someone from Knoxville, Tennessee, could run
special charters with the Kiamichi and Hugo Heritage but all of those folks in
Dallas/Fort Worth couldn't find the time.

As a footnote, I haven't heard what the status of the cars will be. I have
been talking with Jean about some future trips using the cars and hope that
they will still be available. However, the problem now with any charters on
the Kiamichi will be the insurance, as it costs almost as much for a
short-term policy as it does for a year-long one.

A final comment, this is a good example of the problems facing much of the
rail excursion industry. Costs are very high and competition for the tourism
dollar has never been greater. An excursion train cannot survive on railfan
dollars alone. In fact, railfans are generally known to be some of the worse
supporters of such operations as most hit them once and never come back.
Also, many don't even ride the train and buy a ticket, instead preferring to
just photograph. I know that not everyone is this way, but generally, only a
small group of dedicated people keep the operation going or show up regularly
to buy a ticket. It is only through the general public, tour groups, and the
like, that any operation is going to survive. Jean Browning has done a
woderful job but Hugo isn't exactly the center of the tourism world and it is
hard to get the business.

Bart Jennings


Re: Longhorn Spur

George Jenista
 

On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 02:42:52 Shane G Deemer <sdeemer@austin.rr.com>
writes:
The Longhorn AAP's Railroad has been gone for several years now
(since 1996, I believe). The plant is mostly inactive, and most of the
activity in the area is at Red River Army Depot, which is served by the
UP.

Any info on RR equipment that may be abandoned at the Longhorn plant?
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Hugo, OK Excursion Train kaput

George Jenista
 

An interesting, possibly overlooked aspect, from the newspaper article
Mike Murray posted to the List on the train, is that it was operated just
once a month. Perhaps, if the train had operated more frequently, revenue
might have approached a level to cover costs.
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OS Tower 55 Sun 3/25

Robert B Hall <rbhrr@...>
 

I went to Tower 55 in Ft Worth on Sunday & saw a lot of action & some
interesting cars. I appologize for not posting this last night, but it
was late & this will be a LONG report. Eleven people were at the tower
between 11am & 7pm.

On the way:
A welding crew was working on the main tracks somewhere in the
Browder-Chalk area & had things bottled up there.

1016 WB manifest on the Trinity River bridge approaching T216 led
by unidentified UP-UP-(CR)-UP (I think). The only train I saw @T55 that
came close to this lashup was MSHFW (see 1613 entry below), so I will
keep this train listed as an unidentifed manifest & power.

1021 EB manifest with unknown (unseen) power @I-30 & Loop12/Walton
Walker interchange

1040 WBT1 @MP237.4 detector (between Bowen & Handley): UP
Hi-Railer
Thru the detector w/4 axles @19mph. It must've counted his truck axles,
too.

1042 unpowered WB manifest (FRED on east end) tied down @Handley.
This train was still there when I passed the location on my way home.

1051 tied down WB in the "high block", east of Riverside Drive
unidentified manifest with unidentified SP-SP power
This train was still there when I passed the location on my way home.

1055 unidentified manifest tied down WBT2 @East Tower 55 (East
Yard); There was a train tied down with 2 SP units on the west end when
I went home.

1056 holding WBT1 @E T55
AINFW -- auto, Indianapolis IN (CSX) to FW
UP8261 West SD9043AC
UP7566 C60AC

1056 SBT1 @T55
unknown manifest w/unseen power, heading into Ney Yard on T2

1057 holding NBT3 (Ney Bypass) @Broadway
empty grain
UP6221 North SD9043AC
UP3102 SD40-2 ex-UP SD40-2H 3325,
nee-UP8055
UP8067 SD9043AC

1100 tied down NB on Amtrak/FTW station track 3, North
AMTK90229 NPCU/Cabbage Phase IV/Oklahoma; ex-AMTK
F40PH 229
No other cars/units seen at Amtrak/FTW

Arrived at Tower 55/Burnhart Wye @1106:
1106 WBBY: UP6221 North train (see 1057 entry)

1123 WBT1: AINFW train (see 1056 entry)

1149 NBT1 > Duncan Sub (hereafter designated as "DS")
emtpy grain
UP6580 North C44AC
UP7301 C44/60AC
UP8227 SD9043AC
UP B4207 SD40-2B ex-UP SD40-2 4167,
nee-MP3207

1208 radio: UP8530 South departing Ney Yard w/ FW-Englewood
manifest (MFWEW)

1210 WBT1
ZNSLC -- expedited intermodal, Norfolk Southern RR to LATC CA
NS9361 West D9-40CW
NS8695 D8-40C ex-Southern

1213 SB SF>T2>SF
coal load w/BN cars
BNSF9991 West SD70MAC Heritage II
BN9575 SD70MAC Grenstein Green & Cream
+DPU: BNSF9968 SD70MAC Heritage II

1222 SBT1
CCDSA -- coal, Cordero Mine WY to Elmendorf (San Antonio)
w/SATX & a few CHTT cars upfront
UP6588 South C44AC
UP6757 C44AC
+DPU: UP6652 C44AC

1224 holding NBEY
AINFW23 -- auto, Indianapolis IN (CSX) to FW (of the 23rd)
light engine movement
UP/SP8590 West SD40T-2
UP patch on SP paint; ex-SP5397, nee-DRGW5397
SP8322 SD40T-2

1225 SBT2
unknown manfiest
BNSF4665 West C44-9W Heritage II
BNSF4486 C44-9W "yellowed" Heritage II

1233 backing EBEY > Ginnie Yard: AINFW23 light engines

1240 EBT2
MFWNL(?) -- manifest, FW to North Little Rock AR
uncertain of train symbol
UP8556 East SD90AC
GCFX3092 ALST rebuild SD40-2 (CSX rental unit)
UP8549 SD90AC
UP440 C30-7
Note: I saw most of this same power Saturday @Marith in Mesquite on
MPBFW.

1245 NBT1>DS
LFWDC -- Duncan Local
UP215 North B30-7A ex-MP4815
SP7831 B30-7
UP205 B30-7A ex-MP4805

1248 SB SF South Track >T755; backing NB into ex-SF Yard(?) close
to Amtrak Tr 6
(technically: 401 shoving SB & heading NB)
Amtrak 821 / Heartland Flyer (OKC-FTW)
AMTK90208 West NPCU/Cabbage Phase III; ex-AMTK
F40PH 208
Coach 39944 Budd Hi-Level
Coach/Cafe 35008 SuperLiner I
Coach 39940 Budd Hi-Level
AMTK401 F40PH Phase IV
It appeared that the train did not go as far south as needed to switch to
the old Santa Fe North Track, & it also appeared to be parked a lot
closer to the station platform than the North Track would allow.

1250 SBBY
YFW55X -- extra yard job
w/Centennial to Ney "red flag" transfer (no FRED)
SP5103 South B23-7
SP7843 B30-7
SP7841 B30-7

1259 WBT1: AINFW23, Ginnie to Ft Worth light engine move (see
1224 entry)

1310 EBT2
ILBDA -- intermodal, Long Beach CA to Dallas (Miller Yard)
UP4314 East SD70M
UP4291 SD70M
UP4033 SD70M

1319 SBT1
MKCSA -- manifest, Kansas City MO to San Antonio
UP2303 South GP38-2 w/patch; ex-UP2303,
nee-MP2303
UP3737 SD40-2
SP8531 SD40T-2
UP2303 was wearing a patch.

1323 NBT2>SF
unknown manifest
BNSF4511 East C44-9W Heritage II
BN7036 SD40-2 Cascade Green

1344 holding WBBY
MCRFW -- manifest (from somewhere south) to FW
w/FPPX empty coal cars on head end of manifest train
SP8244 North SD40T-2
UP3754 SD40-2
UP6119 SD60M
The only non-coal mine listing my Altamont Press timetable has for CR is
Cedar Rapids, Iowa. So he either took a BIG detour, or there is a local
designation for CR somewhere south of FW. Any guesses?

1352 EBT1
ZLCMN -- expedited intermodal, LATC CA to Marion AR
UP9640 East C44-9W ex-SP8176
SSW9656 GP60
UP9031 C40-8 ex-CNW8509
UP9358 C41-8W

1404 WBBY: MCRFW train (see 1344 entry)

1418 NBWY (at a steady 10mph!)
MFWKS -- manifest, FW to Kansas City's Armourdale or 18th St
yards
UP9727 North C44-9W
UP3070 SD40-2 ex-CNW6905
CSX7790 C40-82
A transient tresspasser crawled under this train while it was stopped for
a short time! Train cleared about the same time as the next train came
thru.

1437 EBT2
ITIDA -- intermodal, ICTF (Los Angeles) CA to Dallas (Miller
Yard)
UP4008 East SD70M
UP9631 C44-9W ex-SP8167
UP4821 VMV rebuild SD40T-2, ex-SP6839

1450 EBT2
MFWTX -- manifest, FW to Texarkana
SP8659 East SD40-2
SP8312 SD40T-2
UP4754 NRE rebuild SD40-2, ex-SP SD39 5314

1453 WBWY
MKCFW -- manifest, Kansas City MO to FW
UP9167 South C40-8
LMSX703 C40-8W (NS rental unit)
UP4206 SD70M

1501 SB BN>T2>SF
Cleburne Local
BNSF/SF3207 West, GP50 yellow/blue; ex-ATSF3854
ATSF572 B40-8W WarBonnet

1502 NBT1
MHOKC -- manifest, Houston to Kansas City MO
UP9584 North C44-9W ex-SP8120
UP5688 C40-8 ex-SSW8081

1514 SB SF>T2>SF
loaded grain
ATSF828 West C40-8W WarBonnet
BNSF1024 C40-8W Heritage I
BN9285 SD60M Whiteface
[Lee Shell saw this one at Metro]

1539 NBWY>DS
MFWWT -- manifest, FW to Wichita KS
UP5714 North GP60 ex-SP9611
UP5973 SD60 ex-CNW8005
This train had about a half-dozen (or more) DODX flatcars going to Ft
Sill OK
Trace car: DODX42082

1554 SB SF>T2>SF
loaded coal w/BN & BNSF cars
BNSF8857 West SD70MAC Heritage II
BN9556 SD70MAC Grenstein Green & Cream
DPU: BNSF9719 SD70MAC Grenstein Green & Cream
DPU: BN9681 SD70MAC Grenstein Green & Cream
This train was to meet Amtrak 22 at Birds!?! (A22 was @Joshua)

1603 NBT1
MHONP -- manifest, Houston to North Platte NE
UP6156 North SD60M
UP3786 SD40-2

1613 WBT2
MSHFW -- manifest, Shreveport to FW
UP3378 West SD40-2
UP4810 VMV rebuild SD40T-2, ex-SP SD45T-2R 6860,
nee-SSW9399
SSW9673 GP60
(NS) PRR/CR6706 SD60 ex-CR6853
UP2230 GP38-2 ex-MP2230
This train had trouble getting up the hill from the "high block" to Tower
55. It had 99 cars & it sounded like 2 of the engines were not loading.
It cleared the interlocker @1637. This is the train that most closely
resembles the 1st train I saw on the Trinity River bridge in Dallas. I
don't recall seeing an SSW unit in that lashup, but I may have missed it
while trying to drive I-30 & railfan at the same time.

1640 NB SF>T2>A/T6
Amtrak 22 (of the 23rd from LAX, 25th from SAS)
Texas Eagle (SAS/LAX-CHI)
Arrived FTW @1646
AMTK28 P42B-9 Phase IV
AMTK96 P42B-9 Phase III
AMTK398 F40PH Phase IV; off at FTW
Baggage 1258 Phase III
Trans/Dorm 39012 SuperLiner II
Sleeper 32071 "Arizona" SuperLiner II
Diner 38025
Sightseer Lounge 33033 SuperLiner II
Smoker Coach 31527
2 Coaches 34055 & 34031
thru Coach 34078 from LAX
thru Sleeper 32057 from LAX
CalTrains car 4007 Bi-Level Gallery
Commuter Car
6 Package Express: 71032-S, 71075-S, 71111-S, 71193-4, 71079-S &
71071-S
(S=Silver, 4=Phase IV)
The CalTrains car is going to Beech Grove to be refurbished.
Interestingly, the CalTrains name had been removed or was missing from
the side of the car. It may have been sold.

1646 WBT1
IMNLC -- intermodal, Marion AR to LATC CA
UP1906 West GP38-2 "1906" in small numbers;

ex-CNW4707, exx-CSX2149, exxx-SBD6240, nee-L&N4019
UP3732 SD40-2
UP6134 SD60M

1648 SBBY
unknown manifest (MFWxx)
UP3663 South SD40-2
UP3811 SD40-2
CSX/CR8837 SD40-2 in Conrail paint
UP3695 SD40-2
UP1815 GP38-2
ex-HL2362, exx-UP2362, exxx-MP2036, nee-MP885

1705 WBBY
MLDFW -- manifest, Laredo to FW
SSW9706 North GP60
UP5651 B40-8 ex-SSW8042

1714 SB DS>WBWY> hold @W T55
YFW63 -- yard job w/Peach to Centennial xfr
UP171 B23-7 ex-MP4671
UP184 B23-7 ex-MP4684
UPY/SP599 (see below) SP w/patch
SP7820 B30-7
UP2500 MPI rebuild GP38-3, ex-CSX6541,
nee-B&O3765
According to Don Strack's 2000 UP Locomotive Directory, UPY599 is
supposed to be an ex-MP GP15-1. Has UP changed the re-numbering plan
again?
This train held WBWY clear of the north-south tracks until the power
pulled off of MKCFW holding SBT1 in the UP North Yard. YFW63 was to
pickup the MKCFW train & take it to Centennial while the MKCFW power wyed
at the Tower into the Ginnie Yard.

All this to take place as A21 arrives from the east & A22 prepares to
depart FTW. Let the "Dance" begin:

1718 SBSY>T2>S T55 (hold @Hattie St)
Amtrak 21 (24) / Texas Eagle (CHI-SAS/LAX)
Arrived FTW @1736
AMTK811 West P40B-8 Phase IV
AMTK826 P40B-8 Phase IV
Baggage 1228 Phase IV
Trans/Dorm 39045 SuperLiner II
Sleeper 32037
Diner 38056 SuperLiner II
Sightseer Lounge 33024
Smoker Coach 31514
Coach 34082
thru Coach/Baggage, 31016 to LAX (a true
Coach/Baggage)
thru Sleeper 32091 "Minnesota" to LAX
(no express cars)

1721 SBT1>S T55; bNBT1>EBSY>Ginnie Yard (and tie down)
MKCFW light engines
UP3768 South SD40-2
SP8637 SD40-2
Left the Kansas City to FW manifest on Track 1 in North Yard for YFW63 to
pickup.

1722 backing SB A/T6>T2>T3 (Ney Bypass) & hold @Broadway (S T55)
Amtrak 22 departing FTW (w/o F40PH 398)

1732 backing NBT2>A/T6: Amtrak 21

1735 NBT3>T2>T1 & hold @SY: Amtrak 22

1736 backing SB Santa Fe yard >T755; NB SF South Track:
Amtrak 822 (25) / Heartland Flyer (FTW-OKC)
AMTK401 East
(see 1248 entry in reverse order)

1737 WBT2 & hold @W T55
IMNLB -- intermodal, Marion AR to Long Beach CA
w/ COFC & bare table train
UP4069 West SD70M
UP4028 SD70M
UP4138 SD70M
UP3766 SD40-2
UP3409 SD40-2 ex-UP8074

1741 backing NBWY: YFW63 to pickup MKCFW train

1745 IMNLB resume WBT2 movement

1751 A22 moves EBSY & head for Dallas (will pass ZYCFW holding
@Poly)

1753 YFW63 resumes WBWY movement w/Peach-Centennial xfr & MKCFW
train as a "red flag" train (no FRED); (Will meet 2 trains at the river
& do another "dance" there, pulling power off the train to give room to
an eastbound to complete his move putting train together -- or somthing
like that)

The MKCFW portion of the train had some interesting cars:
a LNAL red 6-axle depressed center flatcar;
a LANL red 8-axle flatcar; &
a CELX 6-axle tankcar

The "Dance" (at Tower 55 anyway) is complete! Now back to normal
railfanning:

1803 NBT2>SF
YFW57 -- yard job w/Ney to "somewhere" rock train xfr
UP2324 GP38-2 ex-MP2324
UP162 B23-7 ex-UP161:1, exx-UP4662,
nee-MP4662

1808 holding NBWY
MFWNP(?) possibly FW-North Platte manifest
UP7573 North C60AC
UP4224 SD70M
UP3152 SD40-2

1809 SB A/T6>T2>SF: Amtrak 21 departs FTW

1813 NBWY: UP7573 North manifest (see 1808 entry)

1824 SB DS>WBWY
YFW55 -- yard job (light engines)
UP104 B23-7 ex-MP4604, nee-MP2293
UP1656 GP15-1 ex-MP1656

1829 SBBY
MFWxx (unknown manifest)
UP4479 South SD70M
UP115 B23-7 ex-MP4615, nee-MP2304
SP9259 SD45T-2
SSW/SP B30-7 in SP paint
UP4802 VMV rebuild SD40-2T,
ex-SD SD45T-2R 6866, nee-SP9188

1837 SB DS>WBWY
MWTFW -- manifest, Wichita KS to FW
UP8864 South SD40T-2 ex-UP4594, nee-SP8284
UP5838 GP60 ex-SP9739

1840 WBT2 > hold @W T55
ZYCFW -- expedited intermodal, Chicago Yard Center to FW
w/Mesquite to Ft Worth manifest transfer
UP3477 West SD40-2
UP5836 GP60 ex-SP9737
This train is actually a ZYCMQ COFC train to Mesquite, with power
assigned to go to FW. After dropping the COFC's at MQ, it picks up
whatever is in MQ yard that needs to go to FW. It usually has work along
the way for Miller yard (@Belt Jct), Browder, & BOP.

1853 ZYCFW resumes it westward movement after MWTFW clears

1857 SBT1
MNPEW -- manifest, North Platte NE to Englewood (Houston)
UP9298 South C40-8
UP4462 SD40T-2 ex-SP8330
UP3602 SD40-2 ex-UP8093

With darkness having fallen & the lights on the westside of the
I-30/I-35W interchange not working, I departed Tower 55 with the
following trains still on their way:
MLIFW -- manifest, Livonia LA to FW; &
CAICL -- coal, Axial CO to Coleto Creek


Robert B. Hall (rbhrr@juno.com)
Robertsburg, Boiseton & Hallsville Railroad
Dallas
A T55TS&BS member
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Fw: [CanadianAmericanRailroads] ICG 1226 @ CHICAGO,IL 1976

Tommy A. Shults <tas@...>
 

Switcher unit.

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Re: RS: Crew jumps in College Station !! IDIOT TRUCK DRIVERS

Lorija799@...
 

#$%^&*!!! dopeheaded truck drivers. If I had a dollar for everytime a truck
went thru a crossing just ahead.........!
If you want to know why a guy would jump, Consider THIS; a couple of years
ago a concrete truck BROADSIDED an engine on the Ouachita RR and destroyed
it. They crew was very lucky, no one was injured. But the truck hit them in
broad daylight in the middle of a crossing, lights and all. If they had
struck the cab, it could have been bad. Beleive it or not, the trucker
survived.
HRMO'Biph


Granddaddy snakes

Cy and Wynema Martin <cymartin@...>
 

When my two boys were 9 and 14 and thereabouts they used to spend the summer
either on the "mountain" about a mile behind us or the river about a mile
in front of us. The would camp, but would come in about twice a day to check
in and get some grub and a bath (probably every other day<grin>.

One evening they came dragging in a rattler that was about 8 feet long. They
had killed it with bows and arrows. We hung it from a telephone pole
crossarm. Everyone in town came by to marvel at it. The boys and their
friends tanned the skin and made belts out of it.

Cy

At 07:15 PM 3/25/01 -0700, you wrote:
At 11:33 PM 3/24/01 -0600, okt@juno.com blasted the following out into the
ether:
Over on the SFM&HS list (the Santa Fe list) there has been a running
thread on snakes, it started as an Abo cyn. thread.
Terry
You know, I grew up in snake country, between Corpus Christi and
Laredo. My home town, Freer, has one of the largest Rattlesnake Roundups
that I know of. Not THE largest, but one of the largest.

My dad was 5'10" tall, and I saw him hold a rattlesnake up as high as
he could once, with about 18 inches above his hands, and at LEAST a foot
still on the ground. Snake had to have been around eight feet long, maybe
more! I don't think you see them that big too much these days.

In the summer, you could kill 100 per highway mile, if you were so
inclined. And we were -- we had so many rattlesnakes that they were
EVERYWHERE, and got into EVERYTHING. They were real good at getting
between the main door and the screen door and scaring the daylights of the
lady of the house! One of them killed my Shetland pony, too. And a pet
dog, and... They were probably the biggest nuisance we had. Until we
thinned them out -- then RATS got to be pretty bad. (When we thinned out
the coyotes, the rabbits overran us, too!) Early- to mid-60's.

Earl


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Fw: Re: Re: Fw: Train symbols

okt@...
 

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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:20:34 -0600
Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Train symbols
Message-ID: <004f01c0b621$747b7d80$131a75d8@run8>
References: <20010325.104114.-182925.88.okt@juno.com>

Terry,
I should never assume anything. I checked the TSP and found the
H-DYTGAL originating Daily except Sunday. I ASSUMED it replaced the
H-HOUGAL. It didn't. Both trains are still in service. The Dayton
train
is new traffic. Both trains use the UP Glidden sub out of Houston. The
H-HOUGAL is a daily train.

BTW, I mentioned that we had a new P-LACNYC in my news notes last time.
It
has changed to the Q-LACNYC. The name that the Q-LANY became in 1997
when
we changed symbols. That train is now the Z-LACNYC and the Q-LACNYC is
new
traffic. It is all doublestacks (supposedly) and interchanges directly
to
the NS at Chicago for New Jersey.

Did you get this mornings line ups???

Keel

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To: <okt@juno.com>
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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:05:21 -0600
Subject: Re: Fw: Train symbols
Message-ID: <001e01c0b588$741b4da0$50e6dacf@tferk>
References: <20010325.031604.-182925.62.okt@juno.com>

Is anyone entirely sure that the H-DYTGAL replaces the H-HOUGAL? While
I
spotted the H-HOUGAL9-25 today, and it is a Sunday.....BNSF also ran an
H-HOUGAL9-24 yesterday (Saturday). There was also an H-HOUGAL9-22
(Thursday). The H-HOUGAL has been getting out of New South Yard around
10
a.m. daily, and using the ex-SP Harrisburg Line to West Jct., then the
ex-SP
Glidden Sub (Sunset Route) to Tower 17/Rosenberg where it gets on BNSF
rails.

What route does the H-DYTGAL use? Perhaps the H-DYTGAL is purely an
extension of the H-HOUGAL on days when chemical traffic out of Dayton
is
heavy enough to justify originating a train other than the roadswitcher
jobs
which normally serve Dayton?

Ted Ferkenhoff
Missouri City, TX

---- Original Message -----
From: <okt@juno.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 11:31 PM
Subject: RS: Fw: Train symbols


Terry, the H-DYTGAL is a replacement for the H-HOUGAL. It originates
in
Dayton Yard at Houston on the UP. It runs daily except Sunday. good
catch on that, I hadn't seen it yet. The Sommerville train is a bit
of
a
mystery. There is a M-TULSVL that runs 6 days per week, but it still
shows to terminate at Temple. I don't quite understand the
Sommerville
symbol when the schedule terminates at Temple. I need to check into
this
some more.

Keel


WFAA Channel 8 showed Bluebonnets

Bob Tickner
 

Mike: I was at this location on Saturday. It is just south of Lytle
along I-35 on the southeast side, 28 miles south of downtown SA. I did
not see any tracks close by. The Delome map show the railroad to the
north and west away from the interstate. The flowers are beautiful and
it was impressive to see an entire field, maybe 50-70 acres nothing but
Bluebonnets.

Bob Tickner
Denton,TX
btickner@juno.com
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:43:27 -0600 "MIKE MURRAY" <mdmurray@flash.net>
writes:
WFAA channel 8 in the DFW area showed huge fields of Bluebonnets
south of San Antonio. Did anyone else see this and get an exact
location?

Was it along I-35 thus close to the tracks?

Or does anyone in San Antonio know where these fields are. It sure
looked like it would be worth a trip to see them and check out a few
trains on the way and stop at the Grist Mill in Greune on the way
down or back or both.

Mike










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Re: RS: Kodacrome BNSF 5176 in DFW area

Lee B Shell <LeeBShell@...>
 

From my March 25 report:
0900 eb EC Junction
BNSF 4786
BNSF 4658
BNSF 5176 Kodachrome
with loaded hoppers and gondolas, including
MACX 835
MACX 701
GBRX 800046 (last car)
--
Lee B Shell
Dallas

Erich S Houchens wrote:

The BNSF 5176 shows to be on the U-CAKTOM1-23 at Teague at 1230 on
03/25. The BNSF 4786 is in the lead on this train with the BNSF 4658 2nd
and the BNSF 5176 as the 3rd unit. The electrical problems the unit
suffered earlier were not enough to sideline (whiteline) it at the GE
graveyard at Lincoln. Still, as with any old GE, this could always be
it's last trip. So get those shot now....

U-CAKTOM1-23A TEAGUE 0325 1230 TA E C 50 50 100% 0 27 0 N
BNSF 4786

--
Erich S Houchens
Fort Worth, Texas
Lee B Shell - Dallas


(No subject)

Bob Smith
 

At about 3:49PM 3-25-01 saw 6 locomotive consist SB on
Navasota Sub. about MP36 near Plantersville. UP#9207
on point C40-8 and then UP#9043 C40-8 With 4 Brand new
apparently not running SD70Ms UP#s 4337,4338,4339, and

4340. Showed Englewood as destination. Arrived Spring
at 5:00PM!!


At about 4:30PM coming to Conroe on FM2854 found BNSF
Grain train WLMLCH on Honea siding BNSF Conroe Sub.
Going towards Lake Charles, La. BNSF#4907 on point
with ATSF#864 and BNSF#1109 with a DPU BNSF#4884. A
meet occured when a geographc Westbound passed on the
main. BN#6907 on point with BN37071 and ATSF#943
perhaps NWOTPL!

BTW great time at the Private Railroad museum auction
in Navasota. The semaphore was a steal at $1600.00 I
think.



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March 25 Excursion (incl. Kodachrome and SOO)

Lee B Shell <LeeBShell@...>
 

Matt and I spent the day roaming around. For the Kodachrome item, see
the second sighting.

0830 working as UP "Browder Yard Job"
UP 1687
UP 1379 SW1500
also using SP caboose 4617 (I think; the graffiti was heavy)
I do not recall ever seeing a caboose working in the Dallas area before
today.

An early morning report had a crew reporting for a southbound out of
Irving at 0700 that would reach EC Junction around 0845. A delay of 15
minutes for the removal of MOW equipment to the east was later reported.
We made a small loop in Irving and found the rear of the train (rock)
just east of Nursery Road near that time. We reached EC Junction just
ahead of the lowering of the crossing gates on Wildwood Road.

0900 eb EC Junction
BNSF 4786
BNSF 4658
BNSF 5176 Kodachrome
with loaded hoppers and gondolas, including
MACX 835
MACX 701
GBRX 800046 (last car)
Trace as 2010:
GBRX800046 L TEAGUE TX TD 03/25 18:51 BNSF VENTURA TX VENTURA
TX AP 03/25 22:42
in Train: U CAKTOM1 23 seq 023

While we were headed toward Metro Junction:
1017 WB (geographic SB) west (south) of Justin
BNSF 6710?
BN 8059?
with mixed cars, taking the lead into Alliance Yard

Exploring Metro Junction:
1100 holding the KCS main wb just east of the wye
KCS 4709
KCS 728
KCS 4814
KCS 4707
(more on this one later)

1116 wb Metro MP 386.76
ATSF 828
BNSF 1024
BN 9285
about 106 covered hoppers

1145 wb Amtrak 821, powered by 401

We heard of a KCS 201 train out of Alliance that would not be able to
move to the KCS tracks at Metro until the 202 (see above) was recrewed.
The BNSF dispatcher had very little faith in this happening before the
201 crew died at 1530 or so, so he sent the 201 into the hole at Ponder
to tie down and cut four(!) crossings. We went to find it.

1240 eb into Ponder Siding KCS 201
KCS 601
KCS 604
KCS 669
with 7300 feet of mixed and intermodal

1345 eb Krum
BN 6373
SOO 789 (for you SOO fans)
ATSF 668
BNSF 7131
EMD 9005
trace car: BN 446321
I think the detector reported 438 axles.
Trace at 2010:
BN 446321 E OKLCITY OK PS 03/25 19:24 BNSF WILLMAR MN WILLMAR
MN NI 03/27 01:44
in Train: X ALGWLM1 24 seq 054

The KCS 202 received a new crew after the departing crew had spent a
reported 20 hours(!) on board. Much discussion of long hours of work was
overheard.

1420 wb Krum KCS 202 with 75 mixed cars plus 40 platforms of intermodal

We had gone to Metro Junction to see the handoff from the ZWSPALT to the
KCS 221. As expected, there was no morning 220 delivery from KCS Dallas
Yard, but we never did hear any reports of a 220 move toward Metro or
any eastbound BNSF Z train during our time in the area.

1504 eb, geographically north of Saginaw
BNSF 4511
BN 7036
trace cars:
EQUX 630984
ACFX 71708
trace at 2010:
EQUX630984 L GENAUTRY OK PS 03/25 19:20 BNSF AMPTHILL VA BLUISLAND
IL DD 03/28 06:56 IHB
in Train: H DYTGAL1 24

We placed ourselves at Saginaw diamond.

1522 working (backing wb)
BNSF 2200
BNSF 2381

1521 wb
BN 2816 GP30
EMDX 459

1620 eb
BNSF 4743
BNSF 8605
MALX 523 CF7 (not powered, I think)
trace cars:
PAL 701139
ELTX 3082
PAL 701139 L GAINESVIL TX TA 03/25 18:00 BNSF ARDMORE OK ARDMORE
OK CP 03/25 19:12

1628 nb on UP OKT
UP 5714
UP 5973
two of several empty DODX flats:
DODX 40246
DODX 42080
At 2015:
DODX 42080 Empty Yes Departed Saginaw, TX 03/25/01 16:37 Ftsill,
OK

1637 switching
BNSF 2855?
BNSF 2191

We followed the UP Dallas Sub home.

1708 wb Handley Amtrak 21
811
826

1715 wb No. 1 West of Bowen
UP 4069
UP 4028
UP 4138
UP 3766
UP 3409
all containers, plus many empty well cars

A train was stationary (perhaps dead?) on No. 2 at the same point:
UP 5573
SP 7857
UP 210
SP 7621
UP 4283
with mixed cars

We had earlier passed a long string of mixed cars east of Handley with
no power, but with a FRED in place.

Working at Garret (BOP) Yard were two units, one of which was SP 5112.
--
Lee B Shell - Dallas


Re: RS: Fw: Re: snakes at Curtis Hill

Earl Needham <needhame@...>
 

At 11:33 PM 3/24/01 -0600, okt@juno.com blasted the following out into the ether:
Over on the SFM&HS list (the Santa Fe list) there has been a running
thread on snakes, it started as an Abo cyn. thread.
Terry
You know, I grew up in snake country, between Corpus Christi and Laredo. My home town, Freer, has one of the largest Rattlesnake Roundups that I know of. Not THE largest, but one of the largest.

My dad was 5'10" tall, and I saw him hold a rattlesnake up as high as he could once, with about 18 inches above his hands, and at LEAST a foot still on the ground. Snake had to have been around eight feet long, maybe more! I don't think you see them that big too much these days.

In the summer, you could kill 100 per highway mile, if you were so inclined. And we were -- we had so many rattlesnakes that they were EVERYWHERE, and got into EVERYTHING. They were real good at getting between the main door and the screen door and scaring the daylights of the lady of the house! One of them killed my Shetland pony, too. And a pet dog, and... They were probably the biggest nuisance we had. Until we thinned them out -- then RATS got to be pretty bad. (When we thinned out the coyotes, the rabbits overran us, too!) Early- to mid-60's.

Earl


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BNSF and new train watching spot on UP

chris tolley
 

On my way home from Home Depot to help a friend of my mom's who is remodeling her kitchen, I caught the MHOUTEA(Houston-Teague) manifest train at West 43rd St. with the BNSF8247 and 8078. Train was quite long, about 95-100 cars. Mainly hoppers, tanks, several loads of pipe, one autorack(unusual on this train)and several boxcars.
Trace cars are:BNSF545546 POFC(pipe on flat car)
DODX40017 Military six-axle flat car destined for
Ft. Harrison, MT (wherever that is)
BNSF405852 last car---two bay mineral red covered hopper

Was to set out 13 cars at Casey Yard.

Also, my best friend from childhood recently moved into an apartment between West 43rd and Bingle Rd. His unit is across the parking lot from two other units, but his is right in between where I can see trains going by on the Eureka Sub. I spent the night there yesterday and thru my sleep heard about 3 trains between 12 midnight and 4AM this morning.
Hopefully, when I have my radio on when I am there, I can hear the track warrant for the train at Hardy St. and know that in approx. 20 mins. later, a train will roar by at track speed(40-45MPH).

Chris Tolley
Houston, TX
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Re: RS: Fw: Re: snakes at Curtis Hill

Cy and Wynema Martin <cymartin@...>
 

There used to be a brakeman on the RI that worked the Breckenridge Turn that
was deathly afraid of rattlers. He had a special set of tin leggens made.

The line from Graham to Breckenridge was pulled up when we formed the Texas
Export, but there were plenty of rattlers between Vineyard and Jacksboro.
You could always see a few of them in the bank of the cuts especially at
Stewarton.

Cy

At 11:33 PM 3/24/01 -0600, you wrote:
Over on the SFM&HS list (the Santa Fe list) there has been a running
thread on snakes, it started as an Abo cyn. thread.
Terry


Randy mentions a small rattler at Belva, let me relate a couple of other
rattler stories. When we still changed crews at Waynoka, I arrived there
with plenty of time to go explore. I jumped in the old 65 Buick LeSabre
that I had there and headed for Curtis Hill. Just east of Quinlan on the
paved road, I spotted the largest snake I had ever seen. I covered about
half of the road. I tried to run over it, but with no luck. It was a
very hot day and the 7 - 8 foot snake was moving rather fast. No, I
didn't take time to go back and look for it.
I drove that same car home with me when we deaheaded home once. It
was also a hot summer day. My oldest son, then about 3 came running in
the house telling us that there was a snake in the drive and he wanted to
catch it. It was a small rattle snake about 10 inches long. We tried to
catch it with a rake and shovel, but some lady that didn't like snakes
made snake pancakes out of it in the street. It had hitched a ride in my
Buick from Waynoka to Wellington.

West of Glazier, TX climbing the grade out of the Canadian River
Valley one night, we ran over a snake with the train. It was coiled up
in the middle of the tracks striking at the engine. The SD45 that we
were on didn't do his fangs any good.

And last of all, at Lee, TX, just west of Panhandle, I was stopped on
a train so I got out to photograph our train and the one going around us.
As I came back toward the engine, I nearly steped on a 4 foot prairie
rattler sunning himself just off the edge of US60. He was in the tall
grass and nearly the same color as the grass. This was in early November
ad it had been in the upper 60s that day.

My point to all this, is that when photographing the ATSF in the west, it
is wise to wear a good pair of boots.

Keel MIddleton

----- Original Message -----
From: TexChief@AOL.COM
To: SANTAFE@crcvms.unl.edu
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: snakes (was Abo Canyon)


I guess I can drag this thread on a little farther and move it from Abo
to
Curtis. October 98 I spent the day in the area at the East end of the
old
Belva siding on Curtis Hill. I spent the whole day in the same area and
between trains I would sit down on the edge of the bluff there. I had
seen
some big rattlers at Heman and I had seen people hunting for snakes up
there,
so I am always careful when I am in that area.

I checked my seating area real good, but not good enough. At about 3 in
the
afternoon I realized that the rut next to me, there was a little rattler.

The light and the color of the dirt right there made me miss him in the
morning. Fortunately, it had been cold and I guess he was not moving too

good. So for about 6-7 hours, I had been sitting just 2-3 feet from him.
He
ended up with a bashed head from my tripod and the Z-WSPLAC finished him
off.

Randy Lundgren
In a message dated 3/23/01 1:30:21 PM Central Standard Time,
asperandeo@MRMAG.COM writes:



Okay, here's my snake story.

Back when the Santa Fe society convention was in Albuquerque I spent a
couple of days railfanning along the old Pecos Division. From just west
of
Scholle up through Mountainair US60 is within sight of the tracks most of

the time, and there was plenty to see there even without a four-wheeler
to
get into Abo Canyon. Late in the afternoon, after climbing over lots of
flat, overhanging rocks that gave the snakes I wasn't seeing plenty of
places to hide or sun themselves, I caught a westbound intermodal coming
through Mountainair and decided to follow him back to Belen.

Well, it might have been a 199 train or a QNYLA because the dispatcher
had
even moved a couple of slower westbounds to the other main track and let
this shooter through. I managed a couple of grab shots but never could
get
far enough ahead to really set up for him. I figured that the canyon
would
slow him down a little, so I set out for New Mexico 47, the highway up to

Belen, which crosses the railroad between Sais and Becker. It's pretty
flat
down there but I thought I'd at least have time to prepare for a decent
shot with the mountains in the background.

As I came down into the valley I could see eastbounds in the sidings at
Becker and Sais, where I guess it's all two main tracks now, and as I
crossed the railroad at speed I could see the westbound's headlight
coming
on. I pulled onto the paved shoulder and got stopped as quick as I could,

then grabbed my camera and started running along the shoulder toward the
grade crossing. I was looking up the tracks to the east and not watching
where I was going when I heard the sound that makes your blood run cold.

I don't think I'd ever heard a rattlesnake's rattle except in the movies,

but there wasn't even a moment's question in my mind about what it was. I

immediately executed my personal best sideways broad jump out into the
highway, and only then turned around to see where the noise was coming
from.

There was a rattler of what I certainly found an impressive size coiled
up
on the highway shoulder, with his head poised above his body and looking
right at me. I could understand why he might be angry, since I can't see
how I missed running him over with the car and here I was coming back to
stomp on him. From the opposite highway shoulder I used my zoom lens to
take a picture of the only rattlesnake I've ever encountered in the wild,

then kept going to the grade crossing.

After the train went by I went back to the car, giving the snake a wide
berth. I tried to interest my wife, who'd been waiting there, in coming
back to observe the local fauna, but she wasn't that interested. (Well,
she
is smarter than I am, after all.) Oh yeah, I did get the shot of that
fast
mover, but it isn't half as good as this story.

Have a good weekend,

Andy
















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Kodacrome BNSF 5176 in DFW area

Erich S Houchens <eshouchens@...>
 

The BNSF 5176 shows to be on the U-CAKTOM1-23 at Teague at 1230 on
03/25. The BNSF 4786 is in the lead on this train with the BNSF 4658 2nd
and the BNSF 5176 as the 3rd unit. The electrical problems the unit
suffered earlier were not enough to sideline (whiteline) it at the GE
graveyard at Lincoln. Still, as with any old GE, this could always be
it's last trip. So get those shot now....

U-CAKTOM1-23A TEAGUE 0325 1230 TA E C 50 50 100% 0 27 0 N
BNSF 4786

--
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Fort Worth, Texas

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Re: RS: Re: Fw: Train symbols

Bill Wasinger
 

And to throw a bit more confusion and question into
the mix, I saw the FTWGAL through OKC a couple weeks
ago, though it was an M train, not an H

WSW
--- Ted Ferkenhoff <tferk@ev1.net> wrote:
Is anyone entirely sure that the H-DYTGAL replaces
the H-HOUGAL? While I
spotted the H-HOUGAL9-25 today, and it is a
Sunday.....BNSF also ran an
H-HOUGAL9-24 yesterday (Saturday). There was also
an H-HOUGAL9-22
(Thursday). The H-HOUGAL has been getting out of
New South Yard around 10
a.m. daily, and using the ex-SP Harrisburg Line to
West Jct., then the ex-SP
Glidden Sub (Sunset Route) to Tower 17/Rosenberg
where it gets on BNSF
rails.

What route does the H-DYTGAL use? Perhaps the
H-DYTGAL is purely an
extension of the H-HOUGAL on days when chemical
traffic out of Dayton is
heavy enough to justify originating a train other
than the roadswitcher jobs
which normally serve Dayton?

Ted Ferkenhoff
Missouri City, TX

---- Original Message -----
From: <okt@juno.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 11:31 PM
Subject: RS: Fw: Train symbols


Terry, the H-DYTGAL is a replacement for the
H-HOUGAL. It originates in
Dayton Yard at Houston on the UP. It runs daily
except Sunday. good
catch on that, I hadn't seen it yet. The
Sommerville train is a bit of a
mystery. There is a M-TULSVL that runs 6 days per
week, but it still
shows to terminate at Temple. I don't quite
understand the Sommerville
symbol when the schedule terminates at Temple. I
need to check into this
some more.

Keel


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Re: Fw: Train symbols

Ted Ferkenhoff <tferk@...>
 

Is anyone entirely sure that the H-DYTGAL replaces the H-HOUGAL? While I
spotted the H-HOUGAL9-25 today, and it is a Sunday.....BNSF also ran an
H-HOUGAL9-24 yesterday (Saturday). There was also an H-HOUGAL9-22
(Thursday). The H-HOUGAL has been getting out of New South Yard around 10
a.m. daily, and using the ex-SP Harrisburg Line to West Jct., then the ex-SP
Glidden Sub (Sunset Route) to Tower 17/Rosenberg where it gets on BNSF
rails.

What route does the H-DYTGAL use? Perhaps the H-DYTGAL is purely an
extension of the H-HOUGAL on days when chemical traffic out of Dayton is
heavy enough to justify originating a train other than the roadswitcher jobs
which normally serve Dayton?

Ted Ferkenhoff
Missouri City, TX

---- Original Message -----
From: <okt@juno.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 11:31 PM
Subject: RS: Fw: Train symbols


Terry, the H-DYTGAL is a replacement for the H-HOUGAL. It originates in
Dayton Yard at Houston on the UP. It runs daily except Sunday. good
catch on that, I hadn't seen it yet. The Sommerville train is a bit of a
mystery. There is a M-TULSVL that runs 6 days per week, but it still
shows to terminate at Temple. I don't quite understand the Sommerville
symbol when the schedule terminates at Temple. I need to check into this
some more.

Keel


OS Train #2

kk5ol@...
 

Amtrak #2

ar HOS 15:03
dp HOS 15:18

841, eng
1242, bagg
39013, Transition Dorm
32074, Sleeper, Colorado
32078, Sleeper, Florida
38063, Diner
33029, Lounge
35007, Coach
34137, Coach
31517, Smoking Coach

RailNet 802 out

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