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Re: Three Choices As The Crow Flies

Dennis Hogan
 

Thanks for the information, Mike!


Heartland Flyer

texaszephyr
 

Does anyone know what’s up with the Heartland Flyer today? It’s been stopped at zwynnewood for over 50 minutes.

TZ


Re: Three Choices As The Crow Flies

Michael Palmieri
 

Dennis,

 

This would have been between 3 April 1949 and late 1950, when the KCS operated three pairs of train into and out of New Orleans.


Mike Palmieri - Fort Worth, Texas


Lots of coal in the US!!

Tom Roise
 


Second-Hand Steam : Cotton Belt

Dennis Hogan
 

Here's a newly published book on Cotton Belt steam locomotives that were transferred
to the Southern Pacific roster:
SP's Second-Hand Steam from the Cotton Belt


Re: 15th Annual Cotton Belt Regional Railroad Symposium - Oct. 23, 2021

Dennis Hogan
 

Now we'll find out whether the new dish antenna on top of the Anna depot is for SETI research or not.


Three Choices As The Crow Flies

Dennis Hogan
 

KCS advertising on an ink blotter.
Which time frame would this have been from?


15th Annual Cotton Belt Regional Railroad Symposium - Oct. 23, 2021

Jason Lee Davis, PhD
 

Greetings Friends,

 

The 15th Annual Cotton Belt Regional Railroad Symposium (postponed from 2020) will be held on Saturday, October 23, 2021, in the Main Conference Room of the Sam Rayburn Student Center on the campus of Texas A&M University-Commerce (Commerce, TX 75428).

 

Details and directions are available on the event website at:  http://www.CottonBeltRoute.com/

 

This event celebrates the legacy of ALL current and "Fallen Flag" railroads and railroad "families" of the Ark-La-Tex-oma's Cotton Belt Region.  (Not just the Cotton Belt Railroad.)

 

Featured Presenters this year include:

  • Elden Baker - The Restoration of the Anna, TX Houston & Texas Central Depot
  • Tony Wilson - St.L.S-W. Diesel Paint Schemes -as delivered- 1942 to 1960
  • Dennis Hogan - "Ten Texas Teasers, Part 2"
  • Bradley Linda - The Cotton Belt in Central Texas

 

There is no cost to attend and all are welcome.

Registration opens at 8:19am with the programs starting at ~9:10am.

If you have railroad-related items of interest, please bring them to display.  Ample display space will be available.

Adjournment will be at approximately 1:00pm.

 

Due to lingering concerns regarding the COVID-19 Pandemic, we will be foregoing the luncheon this year.

While not required, the wearing of masks while in close proximity to others is encouraged and greatly appreciated.

Please be considerate of the safety and well-being of all in attendance.

An attempt will be made to live-stream the event again this year for those unable to attend.  Monitor the Symposium’s Facebook group for updates and links.

 

See you there!

-Jason

 

~~~
Jason Lee Davis, PhD KB5YBP
Associate Professor of Technology Management | TMGT Graduate Programs Coordinator & Advisor
Department of Engineering & Technology | Texas A&M University-Commerce | www.TAMUC.edu

Jason.Davis@... | Jason@... | http://www.JDavis.us/
~~~
The Annual Cotton Belt Regional Railroad Symposium @ TAMU-Commerce | Oct. 23, 2021
http://www.CottonBeltRoute.com/ | Honoring the Legacy of the Ark-La-Tex-oma area railroads.

Facebook:  Cotton Belt Regional Railroad Symposium

 


Supreme Court of Texas to hear appeal of Bullet Train

Tom Cox
 


20-0393
JAMES FREDRICK MILES v. TEXAS CENTRAL RAILROAD & INFRASTRUCTURE, INC. AND INTEGRATED TEXAS LOGISTICS, INC.; from Leon County; 13th Court of Appeals District (13-19-00297-CV, ___ SW3d ___, 05-07-20)
 
motion for rehearing granted
denial of petition for review on June 18, 2021, withdrawn
petition for review reinstated
 
[Note: This case has been set for oral argument at 9:00 a.m., January 11, 2022.]
Time allotted to argue: 20/20 minutes
 
(Justice Bland not participating)
 
   


Annual Rail Symposium Sat. October 23 at Texas A&M Commerce

Dennis Hogan
 

Friends,

 

Based on feedback received thus far, I have devised the following tentative schedule…

 

SATURDAY

 

approximate times, subject to change

Display set-up

8:00am

 

Registration & Displays Open

8:19am

 

Opening Remarks - Welcome

9:10am

This event is being live-streamed and video recorded
for historical documentation.

The Restoration of the Anna, TX Houston & Texas Central Depot

9:15am

  - Elden Baker, Anna, TX

Break

10:45am

Visit and view the railroad displays.

St.L.S-W. Diesel Paint Schemes -as delivered-  1942 to 1960

10:50am

  - Tony Wilson, Winona, TX

Break

11:20am

Visit and view the railroad displays.

"Ten Texas Teasers, Part 2"---the continuation of a collection of images of Texas railroad oddities and arcane history.

11:30am

  - Dennis Hogan, Frisco, TX

Break

11:20am

Visit and view the railroad displays.

The Cotton Belt in Central Texas

11:25am

  - Bradley Linda, Waco, TX

Final Q&A & Announcements

12:55pm

 

Adjourn

1:00pm

Thanks for attending.  Safe travels.

Visit the East Texas Model Railroad Club Open House

 

1512 Pecan Street, Commerce, Texas

 

This gets everything done by 1:00 so folks can go to lunch.

Let me know if any revisions are necessary.

Thanks,

-Jason Davis


Amtrak crash

texaszephyr
 

Apparently it was the person who shot the video that had called 911 about the truck being stuck, not the actual truck driver.

TZ


Re: Truck rules

Mike Murray
 

The clearence where 35 goes over the railroad and 77 is over 20 feet. I just looked at Google Street view there. He really screwed up.


On Sun, Oct 17, 2021, 4:40 PM Steve Goen <texaszephyr@...> wrote:
Mike,

He exited I-35 just past the casino then went east onto a county road, then went north, then headed back to the west and was going to turn north on US 77. He did this to avoid the low clearance where US 77 ducks under the railroad.

If he had made it across he would have then taken 77 north to Marietta and then got back on I-35.

There will be more come out later I’m sure. He may not have had license or commercial permit, etc. 


On Oct 17, 2021, at 3:53 PM, Mike Murray <mikemurray6044@...> wrote:


If you watch the video you can see I-35 in the back ground. The car hauler was headed toward 35 not away from it. There are trees between him and the freeway so he could not access the freeway. He was not trying to dodge a scale but have no idea he was where he was. https://www.facebook.com/86680728811/posts/10161347636408812/

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021, 3:49 PM <bwasinger@...> wrote:
"This truck appeared to be hauling cars for individuals not a dealer as they appeared to be used vehicles"

Not necessarily, as many dealers now rely on auto auctions for used car supply in addition to trade-ins. Not unusual to see auto haulers carrying loads of disparate makes and models on their way to one dealer…

BW

~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! Oklahoma - Our tornadoes go to F6!


On Sunday, October 17, 2021, 03:23:29 PM CDT, Mike Murray <mikemurray6044@...> wrote:


There is a new one on the northbound side just before Marietta. I do not remember it but you can see it on Google Maps. Again if he exited in Thackerville, to get on 77 he would not have had to cross the tracks. The news reports says, near Thackerville, so not sure where that crossing where the accident happened would have been. This truck appeared to be hauling cars for individuals not a dealer as they appeared to be used vehicles. He may have had to deliver a vehicle to a residence down that road. Whatever the reason, he made a mistake.

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 2:31 PM Steve Goen <texaszephyr@...> wrote:
Mike, the scale is on I-35 between Marietta and Thackerville, probably not more than 2 miles away from the wreck.

TZ




On Oct 17, 2021, at 1:18 PM, Mike Murray wrote:

texaszephyr
10:54am   #159128  

Mike,  

What are the rules, fines, etc for a commercial truck driver to exit off a highway and take back roads to avoid a truck check point/weigh station?

I do not think the truck was avoiding a scale. The scale is a way up on the other side of the Arbuckles. If you look at a google map of Thackerville. The railroad is on the west side of the old highway 77. If he was going to run up highway 77 he would not have needed to cross the tracks. There is only one exit for Thackerville and if he exited there and went across the tracks that would be no problem there. There is an elevated crossing north of Thackerville but there would be no need to cross the tracks there to go up highway 77. I am not sure what the crossing was where the train hit the truck. I am also not sure of his reason to cross the tracks there.

I am not sure what the fine would be for bypassing a scale. How could you prove that driving down a highway was to avoid a scale? And auto racks are not designed to be overweight.


Re: Truck rules

texaszephyr
 

Mike,

He exited I-35 just past the casino then went east onto a county road, then went north, then headed back to the west and was going to turn north on US 77. He did this to avoid the low clearance where US 77 ducks under the railroad.

If he had made it across he would have then taken 77 north to Marietta and then got back on I-35.

There will be more come out later I’m sure. He may not have had license or commercial permit, etc. 


On Oct 17, 2021, at 3:53 PM, Mike Murray <mikemurray6044@...> wrote:


If you watch the video you can see I-35 in the back ground. The car hauler was headed toward 35 not away from it. There are trees between him and the freeway so he could not access the freeway. He was not trying to dodge a scale but have no idea he was where he was. https://www.facebook.com/86680728811/posts/10161347636408812/

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021, 3:49 PM <bwasinger@...> wrote:
"This truck appeared to be hauling cars for individuals not a dealer as they appeared to be used vehicles"

Not necessarily, as many dealers now rely on auto auctions for used car supply in addition to trade-ins. Not unusual to see auto haulers carrying loads of disparate makes and models on their way to one dealer…

BW

~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! Oklahoma - Our tornadoes go to F6!


On Sunday, October 17, 2021, 03:23:29 PM CDT, Mike Murray <mikemurray6044@...> wrote:


There is a new one on the northbound side just before Marietta. I do not remember it but you can see it on Google Maps. Again if he exited in Thackerville, to get on 77 he would not have had to cross the tracks. The news reports says, near Thackerville, so not sure where that crossing where the accident happened would have been. This truck appeared to be hauling cars for individuals not a dealer as they appeared to be used vehicles. He may have had to deliver a vehicle to a residence down that road. Whatever the reason, he made a mistake.

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 2:31 PM Steve Goen <texaszephyr@...> wrote:
Mike, the scale is on I-35 between Marietta and Thackerville, probably not more than 2 miles away from the wreck.

TZ




On Oct 17, 2021, at 1:18 PM, Mike Murray wrote:

texaszephyr
10:54am   #159128  

Mike,  

What are the rules, fines, etc for a commercial truck driver to exit off a highway and take back roads to avoid a truck check point/weigh station?

I do not think the truck was avoiding a scale. The scale is a way up on the other side of the Arbuckles. If you look at a google map of Thackerville. The railroad is on the west side of the old highway 77. If he was going to run up highway 77 he would not have needed to cross the tracks. There is only one exit for Thackerville and if he exited there and went across the tracks that would be no problem there. There is an elevated crossing north of Thackerville but there would be no need to cross the tracks there to go up highway 77. I am not sure what the crossing was where the train hit the truck. I am also not sure of his reason to cross the tracks there.

I am not sure what the fine would be for bypassing a scale. How could you prove that driving down a highway was to avoid a scale? And auto racks are not designed to be overweight.


Re: Truck rules

Mike Murray
 

If you watch the video you can see I-35 in the back ground. The car hauler was headed toward 35 not away from it. There are trees between him and the freeway so he could not access the freeway. He was not trying to dodge a scale but have no idea he was where he was. https://www.facebook.com/86680728811/posts/10161347636408812/


On Sun, Oct 17, 2021, 3:49 PM <bwasinger@...> wrote:
"This truck appeared to be hauling cars for individuals not a dealer as they appeared to be used vehicles"

Not necessarily, as many dealers now rely on auto auctions for used car supply in addition to trade-ins. Not unusual to see auto haulers carrying loads of disparate makes and models on their way to one dealer…

BW

~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! Oklahoma - Our tornadoes go to F6!


On Sunday, October 17, 2021, 03:23:29 PM CDT, Mike Murray <mikemurray6044@...> wrote:


There is a new one on the northbound side just before Marietta. I do not remember it but you can see it on Google Maps. Again if he exited in Thackerville, to get on 77 he would not have had to cross the tracks. The news reports says, near Thackerville, so not sure where that crossing where the accident happened would have been. This truck appeared to be hauling cars for individuals not a dealer as they appeared to be used vehicles. He may have had to deliver a vehicle to a residence down that road. Whatever the reason, he made a mistake.

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 2:31 PM Steve Goen <texaszephyr@...> wrote:
Mike, the scale is on I-35 between Marietta and Thackerville, probably not more than 2 miles away from the wreck.

TZ




On Oct 17, 2021, at 1:18 PM, Mike Murray wrote:

texaszephyr
10:54am   #159128  

Mike,  

What are the rules, fines, etc for a commercial truck driver to exit off a highway and take back roads to avoid a truck check point/weigh station?

I do not think the truck was avoiding a scale. The scale is a way up on the other side of the Arbuckles. If you look at a google map of Thackerville. The railroad is on the west side of the old highway 77. If he was going to run up highway 77 he would not have needed to cross the tracks. There is only one exit for Thackerville and if he exited there and went across the tracks that would be no problem there. There is an elevated crossing north of Thackerville but there would be no need to cross the tracks there to go up highway 77. I am not sure what the crossing was where the train hit the truck. I am also not sure of his reason to cross the tracks there.

I am not sure what the fine would be for bypassing a scale. How could you prove that driving down a highway was to avoid a scale? And auto racks are not designed to be overweight.


Re: Truck rules

Bill Wasinger
 

"This truck appeared to be hauling cars for individuals not a dealer as they appeared to be used vehicles"

Not necessarily, as many dealers now rely on auto auctions for used car supply in addition to trade-ins. Not unusual to see auto haulers carrying loads of disparate makes and models on their way to one dealer…

BW

~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! Oklahoma - Our tornadoes go to F6!


On Sunday, October 17, 2021, 03:23:29 PM CDT, Mike Murray <mikemurray6044@...> wrote:


There is a new one on the northbound side just before Marietta. I do not remember it but you can see it on Google Maps. Again if he exited in Thackerville, to get on 77 he would not have had to cross the tracks. The news reports says, near Thackerville, so not sure where that crossing where the accident happened would have been. This truck appeared to be hauling cars for individuals not a dealer as they appeared to be used vehicles. He may have had to deliver a vehicle to a residence down that road. Whatever the reason, he made a mistake.

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 2:31 PM Steve Goen <texaszephyr@...> wrote:
Mike, the scale is on I-35 between Marietta and Thackerville, probably not more than 2 miles away from the wreck.

TZ




On Oct 17, 2021, at 1:18 PM, Mike Murray wrote:

texaszephyr
10:54am   #159128  

Mike,  

What are the rules, fines, etc for a commercial truck driver to exit off a highway and take back roads to avoid a truck check point/weigh station?

I do not think the truck was avoiding a scale. The scale is a way up on the other side of the Arbuckles. If you look at a google map of Thackerville. The railroad is on the west side of the old highway 77. If he was going to run up highway 77 he would not have needed to cross the tracks. There is only one exit for Thackerville and if he exited there and went across the tracks that would be no problem there. There is an elevated crossing north of Thackerville but there would be no need to cross the tracks there to go up highway 77. I am not sure what the crossing was where the train hit the truck. I am also not sure of his reason to cross the tracks there.

I am not sure what the fine would be for bypassing a scale. How could you prove that driving down a highway was to avoid a scale? And auto racks are not designed to be overweight.


Re: Heartland Flyer update

Bill Wasinger
 

Due to an influx of oil/gas exploration vehicles pounding the roads to dust in certain parts of Oklahoma, I've been told the Oklahoma Highway Patrol has adopted the use of portable axle scales to randomly weigh trucks on state roads. In July, one truck driver, whose overweight dump truck had been ticketed the day before in just such a fashion, chose to travel rural roads the next day and he was struck and killed in his loaded dump truck at a rural crossing (where you can see for days in either direction) by a northbound Union Pacific train on the south end of Okarche, OK…

WSW






~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! Oklahoma - Our tornadoes go to F6!


On Sunday, October 17, 2021, 01:17:53 PM CDT, Earl Needham <earl.kd5xb@...> wrote:


On Sun, Oct 17, 2021, 9:37 AM Mike Murray <mikemurray6044@...> wrote:
I doubt his employer will be very happy with the driver. 

My company is a "one accident" company.  If I didn't have a dash cam, I don't know what I'd be doing, but it sure wouldn't be driving a truck.

<SOAPBOX>

Get a dashcam.  You really don't need one -- until you do.

</SOAPBOX>

Earl
Clovis


Re: Truck rules

Mike Murray
 

There is a new one on the northbound side just before Marietta. I do not remember it but you can see it on Google Maps. Again if he exited in Thackerville, to get on 77 he would not have had to cross the tracks. The news reports says, near Thackerville, so not sure where that crossing where the accident happened would have been. This truck appeared to be hauling cars for individuals not a dealer as they appeared to be used vehicles. He may have had to deliver a vehicle to a residence down that road. Whatever the reason, he made a mistake.


On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 2:31 PM Steve Goen <texaszephyr@...> wrote:
Mike, the scale is on I-35 between Marietta and Thackerville, probably not more than 2 miles away from the wreck.

TZ




On Oct 17, 2021, at 1:18 PM, Mike Murray wrote:

texaszephyr
10:54am   #159128  

Mike,  

What are the rules, fines, etc for a commercial truck driver to exit off a highway and take back roads to avoid a truck check point/weigh station?

I do not think the truck was avoiding a scale. The scale is a way up on the other side of the Arbuckles. If you look at a google map of Thackerville. The railroad is on the west side of the old highway 77. If he was going to run up highway 77 he would not have needed to cross the tracks. There is only one exit for Thackerville and if he exited there and went across the tracks that would be no problem there. There is an elevated crossing north of Thackerville but there would be no need to cross the tracks there to go up highway 77. I am not sure what the crossing was where the train hit the truck. I am also not sure of his reason to cross the tracks there.

I am not sure what the fine would be for bypassing a scale. How could you prove that driving down a highway was to avoid a scale? And auto racks are not designed to be overweight.


Re: Truck rules

texaszephyr
 

Mike, the scale is on I-35 between Marietta and Thackerville, probably not more than 2 miles away from the wreck.

TZ




On Oct 17, 2021, at 1:18 PM, Mike Murray wrote:

texaszephyr
10:54am   #159128  

Mike,  

What are the rules, fines, etc for a commercial truck driver to exit off a highway and take back roads to avoid a truck check point/weigh station?

I do not think the truck was avoiding a scale. The scale is a way up on the other side of the Arbuckles. If you look at a google map of Thackerville. The railroad is on the west side of the old highway 77. If he was going to run up highway 77 he would not have needed to cross the tracks. There is only one exit for Thackerville and if he exited there and went across the tracks that would be no problem there. There is an elevated crossing north of Thackerville but there would be no need to cross the tracks there to go up highway 77. I am not sure what the crossing was where the train hit the truck. I am also not sure of his reason to cross the tracks there.

I am not sure what the fine would be for bypassing a scale. How could you prove that driving down a highway was to avoid a scale? And auto racks are not designed to be overweight.


Re: Truck rules

Earl Needham
 

I don't know what the fines are.

I have heard from other drivers that falsifying a log book is generally a $1000 fine.  A totally off-the-wall guess would say running around a scale would be similar.

But I know quite a few who have gone around the scales because they KNEW they were overweight.  One rarely gets caught for it.

Unless AMTRAK tags you and screams "HERE HE IS!"

Earl
Clovis


On Sun, Oct 17, 2021, 12:18 PM Mike Murray <mikemurray6044@...> wrote:
texaszephyr
10:54am   #159128  

Mike,  

What are the rules, fines, etc for a commercial truck driver to exit off a highway and take back roads to avoid a truck check point/weigh station?

I do not think the truck was avoiding a scale. The scale is a way up on the other side of the Arbuckles. If you look at a google map of Thackerville. The railroad is on the west side of the old highway 77. If he was going to run up highway 77 he would not have needed to cross the tracks. There is only one exit for Thackerville and if he exited there and went across the tracks that would be no problem there. There is an elevated crossing north of Thackerville but there would be no need to cross the tracks there to go up highway 77. I am not sure what the crossing was where the train hit the truck. I am also not sure of his reason to cross the tracks there.

I am not sure what the fine would be for bypassing a scale. How could you prove that driving down a highway was to avoid a scale? And auto racks are not designed to be overweight.


Truck rules

Mike Murray
 

texaszephyr
10:54am   #159128  

Mike,  

What are the rules, fines, etc for a commercial truck driver to exit off a highway and take back roads to avoid a truck check point/weigh station?

I do not think the truck was avoiding a scale. The scale is a way up on the other side of the Arbuckles. If you look at a google map of Thackerville. The railroad is on the west side of the old highway 77. If he was going to run up highway 77 he would not have needed to cross the tracks. There is only one exit for Thackerville and if he exited there and went across the tracks that would be no problem there. There is an elevated crossing north of Thackerville but there would be no need to cross the tracks there to go up highway 77. I am not sure what the crossing was where the train hit the truck. I am also not sure of his reason to cross the tracks there.

I am not sure what the fine would be for bypassing a scale. How could you prove that driving down a highway was to avoid a scale? And auto racks are not designed to be overweight.

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