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Re: Heartland Flyer update

Earl Needham
 

Thanks!

Earl
Clovis


On Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 3:13 PM Gerald Hook <gah333br@...> wrote:

Reading Doug Riddell’s column in some old PTJ mags, he said when a collision is about to occur, the head end crew members all hit the deck and try to hang onto something.  On impact, he was tossed off the front bulkhead and the cab sides before everything, at last, came to a halt.

 

Gerald Hook – Russellville, AR

 

From: RS-TALON@groups.io [mailto:RS-TALON@groups.io] On Behalf Of Earl Needham
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 3:58 PM
To: Mike Murray <mikemurray6044@...>
Cc: Steve Grabman <sgrabman@...>; texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...>; Railspot <rs-talon@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Railspot] Heartland Flyer update

 

I don't know who "JR" is, but quoting JR --

 

Question to any train engineers reading this. In this situation, are you throwing the train into emergency and ducking somewhere in the cab? Or are you staying in your seat hoping for the best?

 

Earl

Clovis

 

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 1:19 PM Mike Murray <mikemurray6044@...> wrote:

 

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 10:02 AM Steve Grabman via groups.io <sgrabman=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

The 197 is the loco that derailed and sustained damage and is currently in the yard at Ardmore.  197 is also a Big Game Train engine.  The rest of the train ran back to Fort Worth early this morning.  After seeing video of the crash, I’m amazed no one was seriously injured.

Steve Grabman
> On Oct 16, 2021, at 8:53 AM, texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...> wrote:
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> Last night the northbound HF struck a semi and auto transport trailer that had high centered on a grade crossing between Thackerville and Marietta.
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> The crossing was a county road and had signs warning trucks that they would high center.
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> The HF struck the truck and trailer, derailing the lead truck on the lead loco #157 and doing considerable damage to it and one of the pass cars.
>
> #157 is one of the special Big Game Train locos.
>
> TZ
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Re: Heartland Flyer update

Gerald Hook
 

Reading Doug Riddell’s column in some old PTJ mags, he said when a collision is about to occur, the head end crew members all hit the deck and try to hang onto something.  On impact, he was tossed off the front bulkhead and the cab sides before everything, at last, came to a halt.

 

Gerald Hook – Russellville, AR

 

From: RS-TALON@groups.io [mailto:RS-TALON@groups.io] On Behalf Of Earl Needham
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 3:58 PM
To: Mike Murray <mikemurray6044@...>
Cc: Steve Grabman <sgrabman@...>; texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...>; Railspot <rs-talon@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Railspot] Heartland Flyer update

 

I don't know who "JR" is, but quoting JR --

 

Question to any train engineers reading this. In this situation, are you throwing the train into emergency and ducking somewhere in the cab? Or are you staying in your seat hoping for the best?

 

Earl

Clovis

 

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 1:19 PM Mike Murray <mikemurray6044@...> wrote:

 

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 10:02 AM Steve Grabman via groups.io <sgrabman=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

The 197 is the loco that derailed and sustained damage and is currently in the yard at Ardmore.  197 is also a Big Game Train engine.  The rest of the train ran back to Fort Worth early this morning.  After seeing video of the crash, I’m amazed no one was seriously injured.

Steve Grabman
> On Oct 16, 2021, at 8:53 AM, texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...> wrote:
>
> Last night the northbound HF struck a semi and auto transport trailer that had high centered on a grade crossing between Thackerville and Marietta.
>
> The crossing was a county road and had signs warning trucks that they would high center.
>
> The HF struck the truck and trailer, derailing the lead truck on the lead loco #157 and doing considerable damage to it and one of the pass cars.
>
> #157 is one of the special Big Game Train locos.
>
> TZ
>
>
>
>
>






Re: Heartland Flyer update

Earl Needham
 

I don't know who "JR" is, but quoting JR --

Question to any train engineers reading this. In this situation, are you throwing the train into emergency and ducking somewhere in the cab? Or are you staying in your seat hoping for the best?

Earl
Clovis

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 1:19 PM Mike Murray <mikemurray6044@...> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 10:02 AM Steve Grabman via groups.io <sgrabman=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
The 197 is the loco that derailed and sustained damage and is currently in the yard at Ardmore.  197 is also a Big Game Train engine.  The rest of the train ran back to Fort Worth early this morning.  After seeing video of the crash, I’m amazed no one was seriously injured.

Steve Grabman
> On Oct 16, 2021, at 8:53 AM, texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...> wrote:
>
> Last night the northbound HF struck a semi and auto transport trailer that had high centered on a grade crossing between Thackerville and Marietta.
>
> The crossing was a county road and had signs warning trucks that they would high center.
>
> The HF struck the truck and trailer, derailing the lead truck on the lead loco #157 and doing considerable damage to it and one of the pass cars.
>
> #157 is one of the special Big Game Train locos.
>
> TZ
>
>
>
>
>







Re: Heartland Flyer update

Michael North
 

Does anyone else suspect with the frequency of these events at grade crossings that it may be deliberate ? 

M. North 


On Saturday, October 16, 2021, 08:53:31 AM CDT, texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...> wrote:


Last night the northbound HF struck a semi and auto transport trailer that had high centered on a grade crossing between Thackerville and Marietta.

The crossing was a county road and had signs warning trucks that they would high center.

The HF struck the truck and trailer, derailing the lead truck on the lead loco #157 and doing considerable damage to it and one of the pass cars.

#157 is one of the special Big Game Train locos.

TZ






Re: Heartland Flyer update

Mike Murray
 


On Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 10:02 AM Steve Grabman via groups.io <sgrabman=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
The 197 is the loco that derailed and sustained damage and is currently in the yard at Ardmore.  197 is also a Big Game Train engine.  The rest of the train ran back to Fort Worth early this morning.  After seeing video of the crash, I’m amazed no one was seriously injured.

Steve Grabman
> On Oct 16, 2021, at 8:53 AM, texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...> wrote:
>
> Last night the northbound HF struck a semi and auto transport trailer that had high centered on a grade crossing between Thackerville and Marietta.
>
> The crossing was a county road and had signs warning trucks that they would high center.
>
> The HF struck the truck and trailer, derailing the lead truck on the lead loco #157 and doing considerable damage to it and one of the pass cars.
>
> #157 is one of the special Big Game Train locos.
>
> TZ
>
>
>
>
>







Re: Heartland Flyer update

Steve Grabman
 

The 197 is the loco that derailed and sustained damage and is currently in the yard at Ardmore. 197 is also a Big Game Train engine. The rest of the train ran back to Fort Worth early this morning. After seeing video of the crash, I’m amazed no one was seriously injured.

Steve Grabman

On Oct 16, 2021, at 8:53 AM, texaszephyr <texaszephyr@sw.rr.com> wrote:

Last night the northbound HF struck a semi and auto transport trailer that had high centered on a grade crossing between Thackerville and Marietta.

The crossing was a county road and had signs warning trucks that they would high center.

The HF struck the truck and trailer, derailing the lead truck on the lead loco #157 and doing considerable damage to it and one of the pass cars.

#157 is one of the special Big Game Train locos.

TZ





Heartland Flyer update

texaszephyr
 

Last night the northbound HF struck a semi and auto transport trailer that had high centered on a grade crossing between Thackerville and Marietta.

The crossing was a county road and had signs warning trucks that they would high center.

The HF struck the truck and trailer, derailing the lead truck on the lead loco #157 and doing considerable damage to it and one of the pass cars.

#157 is one of the special Big Game Train locos.

TZ


Re: Texas Eagle Detour 17OCT

Tom Roise
 

Can you tell us why??



On Oct 16, 2021, at 2:00 AM, Gene Poon <sheehans2016@...> wrote:



On 17OCT2021, Texas Eagle Train 22(17) will detour via ex-Cotton Belt between Big Sandy and Texarkana; Mineola, Longview, Marshall passengers to be handled by bus.


Texas Eagle Detour 17OCT

Gene Poon
 

On 17OCT2021, Texas Eagle Train 22(17) will detour via ex-Cotton Belt between Big Sandy and Texarkana; Mineola, Longview, Marshall passengers to be handled by bus.


Re: Wreck of the Texas Zephyr

Dennis Hogan
 

November 1st, 2021 not 1941.


Re: Wreck of the Texas Zephyr

texaszephyr
 

And remember, you can save $10.00 if you order it before November 1st.

TZ


On Oct 15, 2021, at 6:50 PM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:



[Edited Message Follows]

Here's film of the aftermath:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VdvlUu81ig

Get Steve Goen's upcoming FW&D book to get the background story--and correct date
of the accident:  November 20, 1941


Steam coming to Oklahoma Railroad Museum

Dennis Hogan
 


Wreck of the Texas Zephyr

Dennis Hogan
 
Edited

Here's film of the aftermath:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VdvlUu81ig

Get Steve Goen's upcoming FW&D book to get the background story--and correct date
of the accident:  November 20, 1941


Re: Rising electricity charges forces British rail freight operator to revert to diesel traction | International Railway Journal

Tom Roise
 

There are more than you realize.

Tom Roise

On Oct 15, 2021, at 8:25 AM, survivingworldsteam via groups.io <survivingsteam=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

The only electrified section is the NE Corridor, and I believe it is mostly by passenger trains.

-James Hefner





Re: Rising electricity charges forces British rail freight operator to revert to diesel traction | International Railway Journal

survivingworldsteam
 

The only electrified section is the NE Corridor, and I believe it is mostly by passenger trains.

-James Hefner


photos: NOGC in 2011 and Port Rail (and UP) in 2021

James Robichaux
 


Ten years ago today, these pictures were made of New Orleans & Gulf Coast Railway scenes in Gretna, Louisiana:

Six months ago today, this set of images showing a Port Rail train pulling four loaded lumber cars behind three hopper cars from the Port Of Lake Charles was made:

Later that month, on the 22nd, this brief set of images of both Union Pacific Railroad action and a Port Rail train was made by the old Missouri Pacific freight house in Lake Charles was made:

That's all.


Thanks.



James



Rising electricity charges forces British rail freight operator to revert to diesel traction | International Railway Journal

Tom Roise
 


Re: Nacodoches loco

John Salvini
 

That kind of puts my theory to rest, looks like they made the pick right where it was at. Thanks for the loading picture. 




On Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 10:04 PM, Everett Lueck <elueck@...> wrote:



On Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 11:31:45 PM CDT, John Salvini via groups.io <salvini.john@...> wrote:


Think that they cut the shaft to move it for loading. It looks as if the trees are obstructing a clean lift of the locomotive. I would think that they wanted to pick up the front end and walk it out of the tree line, then load it. Anyone know how they got it on the truck…?






On Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 7:12 PM, Everett Lueck <elueck@...> wrote:

You can move anything if you are willing to pay the price!  

If you work on a limited budget, you do things the most cost effective way.

There is another locomotive move coming down next week and I have seen the original bids for both of these moves, and my guess is that this procedure saved a substantial amount of money that could be put toward the restoration, rather than the move.

On Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 07:37:16 PM CDT, D. Howard Bingham <ke5apj@...> wrote:


Why did the rear truck need removing, the entire length of that SMALL locomotive would have easily fit on any Low Boy Float trailer with ROOM TO SPARE.

I've see Caterpiller Earth Moving Equipment longer & wider than this locomotive being moved & only problem was "WIDTH"

D. Howard Bingham

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On 10/12/2021 2:37 PM, Everett Lueck wrote:
Not a cutting torch.  A metal cutting disc, to get a smooth cut.  As I explained earlier,  the u joints were frozen and the rear truck had to be removed to transport the loco.  

On Tuesday, October 12, 2021, 12:28:57 PM CDT, Mike Murray <mikemurray6044@...> wrote:


This shows them using a cutting torch on the drive shaft.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lViQ6N3u978

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 10:10 AM Tom Roise via groups.io <tomroise=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Amazing !!!!

Tom Roise


> On Oct 12, 2021, at 9:58 AM, texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...> wrote:
>
> There is a new video posted on YouTube by Neil Dahl that shows workers slicing through its drive shafts with cutting blades as they prepare to move the shay from Stephen F. Austin University to Michigan.
>
> Talking about adding insult to injury!!!
>
> TZ
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Re: Frisco trains. was Re: Dallas Union Terminal in 1957

texaszephyr
 

There were several periods of time that the Frisco didn’t operate passenger trains south of Sherman. During those times some trains simply handed off cars to the Katy at Denison.

At other times they actually ran south of Sherman on their own tracks to Dallas and Fort Worth.

TZ


On Oct 13, 2021, at 10:42 PM, d pep via groups.io <dpepper6@...> wrote:

Didn't the Frisco passenger trains use the Katy passenger line through Greenville from Dallas to the Denison Red River bridge?

Was their line through Frisco and Carrollton to Irving freight only, or did Fort Worth sections run it from Denison or Sherman?


Re: Nacodoches loco

Everett Lueck
 



On Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 11:31:45 PM CDT, John Salvini via groups.io <salvini.john@...> wrote:


Think that they cut the shaft to move it for loading. It looks as if the trees are obstructing a clean lift of the locomotive. I would think that they wanted to pick up the front end and walk it out of the tree line, then load it. Anyone know how they got it on the truck…?






On Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 7:12 PM, Everett Lueck <elueck@...> wrote:

You can move anything if you are willing to pay the price!  

If you work on a limited budget, you do things the most cost effective way.

There is another locomotive move coming down next week and I have seen the original bids for both of these moves, and my guess is that this procedure saved a substantial amount of money that could be put toward the restoration, rather than the move.

On Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 07:37:16 PM CDT, D. Howard Bingham <ke5apj@...> wrote:


Why did the rear truck need removing, the entire length of that SMALL locomotive would have easily fit on any Low Boy Float trailer with ROOM TO SPARE.

I've see Caterpiller Earth Moving Equipment longer & wider than this locomotive being moved & only problem was "WIDTH"

D. Howard Bingham

--

On 10/12/2021 2:37 PM, Everett Lueck wrote:
Not a cutting torch.  A metal cutting disc, to get a smooth cut.  As I explained earlier,  the u joints were frozen and the rear truck had to be removed to transport the loco.  

On Tuesday, October 12, 2021, 12:28:57 PM CDT, Mike Murray <mikemurray6044@...> wrote:


This shows them using a cutting torch on the drive shaft.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lViQ6N3u978

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 10:10 AM Tom Roise via groups.io <tomroise=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Amazing !!!!

Tom Roise


> On Oct 12, 2021, at 9:58 AM, texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...> wrote:
>
> There is a new video posted on YouTube by Neil Dahl that shows workers slicing through its drive shafts with cutting blades as they prepare to move the shay from Stephen F. Austin University to Michigan.
>
> Talking about adding insult to injury!!!
>
> TZ
>
>
>
>
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