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Re: Southern Forest Heritage Museum

reubeft
 

Drove with a Corvette group from Mississippi, plus be a RR nut.  Really enjoyed myself, plus taking about 50+ pics. 
Hope they get the funding, etc., great time capsule of the mid-20th century logging op's.  
Worth a road trip or weekend vacation.
Reuben @ Poplarville, Ms on NS mainline


Re: Spur into Corpus Christi Naval Air Station

Tom Roise
 

Nice piece of history 
I will need to see if I can find the landing spot on my next visit there.

Tom Roise
469-525-0930

On May 20, 2021, at 7:19 AM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:

Tex-Mex remnant:
Tex Mex spur into NAS


Spur into Corpus Christi Naval Air Station

Dennis Hogan
 

Tex-Mex remnant:
Tex Mex spur into NAS


15th Annual "24 Hours at Saginaw" 2021 - Just in case... Bring a MASK!!!

Skip Waters
 



WE NEED PRESENTERS!!!  If you want to talk about something train related or have something to share or show... WE NEED YOU!!!  Contact Skip via email at:  wgcrush@... to get signed up now!!!

ATTENTION - POP UP TENT space reservations are taking off... get your space reserved today!
NOTE:  This is for the SPACE ONLY... YOU bring the POP UP Tent!

The countdown has started to attend the 15th Annual "24 Hours @ Saginaw" 2021!!!  

IT'S 
TIME 
TO 
WATCH 
SOME 
TRAINS!!!   

Dates are confirmed for the 15th Annual "24 Hours @ Saginaw" 2021!

7:00pm Friday, May 28th through 7:00pm Saturday, May 29th, 
at the Depot on Main Street in Saginaw, Texas.

BIG CHANGES ---  It's ALL OUTDOORS THIS YEAR!!!
We are not allowed in the Depot due to Covid and new City of Saginaw PERMITS office space.

We are accepting ideas and presentations that can be done outdoors!  Show N Tell, speakers, demonstrations or what have you.  We will probably not have any Video or Slide programs this year.   A PA system will be available.

POP UP TENTS -- Also, We are taking reservations for POP UP tents on the grounds of 24 Hours at Saginaw.  Since everything is outdoors, we expect lots of tents!  Due to social distancing and to not have a crowded space... we are taking RESERVATIONS for space to put up a POP UP tent.  Each space will be a $10 donation.  It includes a reserved space, two "24 Hours at Saginaw 2021" buttons. To make a reservation, send an email directly to Skip Waters at wgcrush@....  You will pay upon arrival.  We can take up to 20 tent spaces.  So get your reservation in now!!!  This is for the SPACE ONLY... YOU bring the POP UP Tent!

We will have a live auction on Friday evening (maybe a silent one too), play the Great Locomotive Race Trivia Game (I heard there are new questions this year)!!  And, expect the usual great fun, friends and activities to keep you busy for 24 Hours... and lots of TRAIN WATCHING!!!

So mark your calendars and get your lawn chairs ready (sleeping bags too) and reserve a POP UP tent space (first come, first serve with a reservation), 
it's 
TIME TO WATCH SOME TRAINS... IT'S "SAGINAW TIME!!"

Join the "24 Hours @ Saginaw" Facebook page for the latest updates,
https://www.facebook.com/24hoursatSaginaw

PRESENTERS: We are now accepting presenters who would like to put on a program for 
this year's event. Please email me off list to:  wgcrush@... to be on the schedule.

We need live presentations, clinics, exhibits... it just has to be about trains and  
railroads.

Whatever it is... It's time to show it and IT'S TIME TO WATCH SOME TRAINS!

Skip Waters
15th Annual "24 Hours @ Saginaw" 2021
Chairman
North Texas Chapter, NRHS
www.ntxnrhs.org

P.S  Also accepting gifts for door prizes!  If you have some to offer, please contact Skip directly.


Re: Names on the UP Eagle Pass Sub

Rollin Bredenberg
 

Ryan’s Ruins was named for Terry Ryan, the Trainmaster at Eagle Pass when the tracks were constructed.   All of the material for these tracks came from the abandoned main track of the SP between Skidmore and Alice.  When the regular crews at Eagle Pass saw the old light rail and the very marginal cross ties that composed the panels sent to Eagle Pass for the expansion project they dubbed the new tracks “Ryan’s Ruins “.

Carl was named for Carl Bradley, the San Antonio service unit Supt when the first operating siding on the Eagle Pass branch was constructed.  

rdb


On May 19, 2021, at 4:42 PM, SCHULTZE <schultze@...> wrote:


Looking at the TT, I notice two very interesting places and wonder how they got their names.

The first is Ryans Ruin.  Who was Ryan and what was ruined ?
The secord is Carl. Who was Carl and why is a siding named for him?

Historians of the UP/SP  I'd like to hear the stories on these two.

Norm


Names on the UP Eagle Pass Sub

SCHULTZE
 

Looking at the TT, I notice two very interesting places and wonder how they got their names.

The first is Ryans Ruin.  Who was Ryan and what was ruined ?
The secord is Carl. Who was Carl and why is a siding named for him?

Historians of the UP/SP  I'd like to hear the stories on these two.

Norm


Re: Mosquero NM depot

Michael North
 

With an 1884 mechanical two aspect "Harrington" style train order signal, the economy type as far as train order signals went back in the day. 

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021, 07:42:33 AM CDT, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:


Along the Dawson Ry. (later EP&NE...EP&SW...SP)


Mosquero NM depot

Dennis Hogan
 

Along the Dawson Ry. (later EP&NE...EP&SW...SP)


Roy NM depot

Dennis Hogan
 

Along the Dawson Ry. (later EP&NE...EP&SW...SP)


Dawson NM depot

Dennis Hogan
 

Along the Dawson Ry. (later EP&NE...EP&SW...SP)


Re: MP TEN-WHEELER - PARIS, ARKANSAS

Jim Ogden
 

Not surprising.  Texans stick together. I just looked up Robert R. Young and. Wikipedia — I knew he was a Texan but had no idea Sid Richardson and Clint Murchison got him the NYC job.  Railroading executives were sort of like Game of Thrones but they couldn’t exterminate their equivalent of Dragons quickly enough.

I understand the city of Dupo was offered an entire MoP spot class 2-8-0 circa 1956 but the town fathers only wanted the cylinders and smoke box.  I think it was 124.

Jim Ogden 


On May 18, 2021, at 8:14 PM, gerterkell@... wrote:


Howdyi
Allegheny corporation may still have had an interest h The Great Southwest RR and industrial park in Arlington Grand Prairie Texas . The Robert Young death made the 1950's tough for the corporation and PRR and NYC RR. Money was tight. They are mostly insurance now.

Kelley
Arlington Tx
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 05:07:13 PM CDT, Jim Ogden <sjogden@...> wrote:


MoPac was in a prolonged receivership from 1933 to 1956 (to keep the Van Sweringen Group/Allegheny Corporation from bleeding the company dry) and the “trustee” did not approve the donation of large modern locomotives.  This individual is like a bankruptcy judge and had the final say.  The Iron Mountain 635/MoPac 2707 was already a museum piece when donated.

In 1956 they absorbed the IGN and Gulf Coast Lines and diluted Allegheny Corporation’s control greatly.  Maybe after 1957 if they still had steam we might could have seen a donation.  Allegheny was always looking for cash to raid.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, Texas






Re: MP TEN-WHEELER - PARIS, ARKANSAS

Gerard Kelley
 

Howdyi
Allegheny corporation may still have had an interest h The Great Southwest RR and industrial park in Arlington Grand Prairie Texas . The Robert Young death made the 1950's tough for the corporation and PRR and NYC RR. Money was tight. They are mostly insurance now.

Kelley
Arlington Tx

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 05:07:13 PM CDT, Jim Ogden <sjogden@...> wrote:


MoPac was in a prolonged receivership from 1933 to 1956 (to keep the Van Sweringen Group/Allegheny Corporation from bleeding the company dry) and the “trustee” did not approve the donation of large modern locomotives.  This individual is like a bankruptcy judge and had the final say.  The Iron Mountain 635/MoPac 2707 was already a museum piece when donated.

In 1956 they absorbed the IGN and Gulf Coast Lines and diluted Allegheny Corporation’s control greatly.  Maybe after 1957 if they still had steam we might could have seen a donation.  Allegheny was always looking for cash to raid.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, Texas






Re: MP TEN-WHEELER - PARIS, ARKANSAS

Jim Ogden
 

This Alleghany Corporation corporation angle is entirely from H. Craig Miner’s research.  This is the professor who wrote the Rebirth of the Missouri Pacific and described the shenanigans that were going on.  The “Vans” were real estate speculators who got control of the C&O, NKP snd the MoP which they nearly destroyed to cover their losses.  



On May 18, 2021, at 6:48 PM, Gerald Hook <gah333br@...> wrote:



This certainly sounds like a reasonable explanation, for that time period.  But given my experiences with those _____ (fill in the blank) during my 36 year career in railroad marketing, they’ll forever be the EVIL EMPIRE to me.

 

Gerald Hook – Russellville, AR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: RS-TALON@groups.io [mailto:RS-TALON@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Ogden
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 5:07 PM
To: RS-TALON@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Railspot] MP TEN-WHEELER - PARIS, ARKANSAS

 

MoPac was in a prolonged receivership from 1933 to 1956 (to keep the Van Sweringen Group/Allegheny Corporation from bleeding the company dry) and the “trustee” did not approve the donation of large modern locomotives.   This individual is like a bankruptcy judge and had the final say.  The Iron Mountain 635/MoPac 2707 was already a museum piece when donated.

 

In 1956 they absorbed the IGN and Gulf Coast Lines and diluted Allegheny Corporation’s control greatly.  Maybe after 1957 if they still had steam we might could have seen a donation.  Allegheny was always looking for cash to raid.

 

Jim Ogden

Argyle, Texas

 

 

 

 


Re: MP TEN-WHEELER - PARIS, ARKANSAS

Gerald Hook
 

This certainly sounds like a reasonable explanation, for that time period.  But given my experiences with those _____ (fill in the blank) during my 36 year career in railroad marketing, they’ll forever be the EVIL EMPIRE to me.

 

Gerald Hook – Russellville, AR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: RS-TALON@groups.io [mailto:RS-TALON@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Ogden
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 5:07 PM
To: RS-TALON@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Railspot] MP TEN-WHEELER - PARIS, ARKANSAS

 

MoPac was in a prolonged receivership from 1933 to 1956 (to keep the Van Sweringen Group/Allegheny Corporation from bleeding the company dry) and the “trustee” did not approve the donation of large modern locomotives.   This individual is like a bankruptcy judge and had the final say.  The Iron Mountain 635/MoPac 2707 was already a museum piece when donated.

 

In 1956 they absorbed the IGN and Gulf Coast Lines and diluted Allegheny Corporation’s control greatly.  Maybe after 1957 if they still had steam we might could have seen a donation.  Allegheny was always looking for cash to raid.

 

Jim Ogden

Argyle, Texas

 

 

 

 


Re: MP TEN-WHEELER - PARIS, ARKANSAS

Jim Ogden
 

MoPac was in a prolonged receivership from 1933 to 1956 (to keep the Van Sweringen Group/Allegheny Corporation from bleeding the company dry) and the “trustee” did not approve the donation of large modern locomotives. This individual is like a bankruptcy judge and had the final say. The Iron Mountain 635/MoPac 2707 was already a museum piece when donated.

In 1956 they absorbed the IGN and Gulf Coast Lines and diluted Allegheny Corporation’s control greatly. Maybe after 1957 if they still had steam we might could have seen a donation. Allegheny was always looking for cash to raid.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, Texas


Re: Southern Forest Heritage Museum

Tom Roise
 

Amen Dennis !!

Tom Roise


On May 18, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:

Everett, you are the museum's top promoter!
You are to be commended for keeping us informed about this work in progress--and for your hard work there.


Re: Southern Forest Heritage Museum

Everett Lueck
 

Hard work it may be, but preserving history is not only work but lots of fun.  Along the way I have been privileged to meet and work with a lot of better people than myself and learn from them.  

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 01:43:16 PM CDT, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:


Everett, you are the museum's top promoter!
You are to be commended for keeping us informed about this work in progress--and for your hard work there.


Re: Southern Forest Heritage Museum

Dennis Hogan
 

Everett, you are the museum's top promoter!
You are to be commended for keeping us informed about this work in progress--and for your hard work there.


Re: Southern Forest Heritage Museum

Everett Lueck
 

Several other books are available on the website, including several by Dr. Barnett on various phases of logging and forestry operations, as well as a pair of books on the Red River and Gulf Railroad, and its currently being cosmetically restored, 4-6-0 locomotive #106.

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 01:30:51 PM CDT, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:


It seems that they have upgraded their website:
Southern Forest Heritage Museum

Check out their online archival collections including railroad photographs:
SFHM online archives


Re: Southern Forest Heritage Museum

Everett Lueck
 

We have been busy of late with a new director and much increased activity on the site as well as the website.  
For more information as to what is going on with the museum railroad specifically,  go to this website:


and click on the work sessions tab and you will be able to see what our small group of volunteers has been able to achieve.  

We urge  you to come and join us.

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 01:30:51 PM CDT, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:


It seems that they have upgraded their website:
Southern Forest Heritage Museum

Check out their online archival collections including railroad photographs:
SFHM online archives

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