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Names on the UP Eagle Pass Sub

SCHULTZE
 

Looking at the TT, I notice two very interesting places and wonder how they got their names.

The first is Ryans Ruin.  Who was Ryan and what was ruined ?
The secord is Carl. Who was Carl and why is a siding named for him?

Historians of the UP/SP  I'd like to hear the stories on these two.

Norm


Re: Mosquero NM depot

Michael North
 

With an 1884 mechanical two aspect "Harrington" style train order signal, the economy type as far as train order signals went back in the day. 

On Wednesday, May 19, 2021, 07:42:33 AM CDT, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:


Along the Dawson Ry. (later EP&NE...EP&SW...SP)


Mosquero NM depot

Dennis Hogan
 

Along the Dawson Ry. (later EP&NE...EP&SW...SP)


Roy NM depot

Dennis Hogan
 

Along the Dawson Ry. (later EP&NE...EP&SW...SP)


Dawson NM depot

Dennis Hogan
 

Along the Dawson Ry. (later EP&NE...EP&SW...SP)


Re: MP TEN-WHEELER - PARIS, ARKANSAS

Jim Ogden
 

Not surprising.  Texans stick together. I just looked up Robert R. Young and. Wikipedia — I knew he was a Texan but had no idea Sid Richardson and Clint Murchison got him the NYC job.  Railroading executives were sort of like Game of Thrones but they couldn’t exterminate their equivalent of Dragons quickly enough.

I understand the city of Dupo was offered an entire MoP spot class 2-8-0 circa 1956 but the town fathers only wanted the cylinders and smoke box.  I think it was 124.

Jim Ogden 


On May 18, 2021, at 8:14 PM, gerterkell@... wrote:


Howdyi
Allegheny corporation may still have had an interest h The Great Southwest RR and industrial park in Arlington Grand Prairie Texas . The Robert Young death made the 1950's tough for the corporation and PRR and NYC RR. Money was tight. They are mostly insurance now.

Kelley
Arlington Tx
On Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 05:07:13 PM CDT, Jim Ogden <sjogden@...> wrote:


MoPac was in a prolonged receivership from 1933 to 1956 (to keep the Van Sweringen Group/Allegheny Corporation from bleeding the company dry) and the “trustee” did not approve the donation of large modern locomotives.  This individual is like a bankruptcy judge and had the final say.  The Iron Mountain 635/MoPac 2707 was already a museum piece when donated.

In 1956 they absorbed the IGN and Gulf Coast Lines and diluted Allegheny Corporation’s control greatly.  Maybe after 1957 if they still had steam we might could have seen a donation.  Allegheny was always looking for cash to raid.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, Texas






Re: MP TEN-WHEELER - PARIS, ARKANSAS

Gerard Kelley
 

Howdyi
Allegheny corporation may still have had an interest h The Great Southwest RR and industrial park in Arlington Grand Prairie Texas . The Robert Young death made the 1950's tough for the corporation and PRR and NYC RR. Money was tight. They are mostly insurance now.

Kelley
Arlington Tx

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 05:07:13 PM CDT, Jim Ogden <sjogden@...> wrote:


MoPac was in a prolonged receivership from 1933 to 1956 (to keep the Van Sweringen Group/Allegheny Corporation from bleeding the company dry) and the “trustee” did not approve the donation of large modern locomotives.  This individual is like a bankruptcy judge and had the final say.  The Iron Mountain 635/MoPac 2707 was already a museum piece when donated.

In 1956 they absorbed the IGN and Gulf Coast Lines and diluted Allegheny Corporation’s control greatly.  Maybe after 1957 if they still had steam we might could have seen a donation.  Allegheny was always looking for cash to raid.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, Texas






Re: MP TEN-WHEELER - PARIS, ARKANSAS

Jim Ogden
 

This Alleghany Corporation corporation angle is entirely from H. Craig Miner’s research.  This is the professor who wrote the Rebirth of the Missouri Pacific and described the shenanigans that were going on.  The “Vans” were real estate speculators who got control of the C&O, NKP snd the MoP which they nearly destroyed to cover their losses.  



On May 18, 2021, at 6:48 PM, Gerald Hook <gah333br@...> wrote:



This certainly sounds like a reasonable explanation, for that time period.  But given my experiences with those _____ (fill in the blank) during my 36 year career in railroad marketing, they’ll forever be the EVIL EMPIRE to me.

 

Gerald Hook – Russellville, AR

 

-----Original Message-----
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To: RS-TALON@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Railspot] MP TEN-WHEELER - PARIS, ARKANSAS

 

MoPac was in a prolonged receivership from 1933 to 1956 (to keep the Van Sweringen Group/Allegheny Corporation from bleeding the company dry) and the “trustee” did not approve the donation of large modern locomotives.   This individual is like a bankruptcy judge and had the final say.  The Iron Mountain 635/MoPac 2707 was already a museum piece when donated.

 

In 1956 they absorbed the IGN and Gulf Coast Lines and diluted Allegheny Corporation’s control greatly.  Maybe after 1957 if they still had steam we might could have seen a donation.  Allegheny was always looking for cash to raid.

 

Jim Ogden

Argyle, Texas

 

 

 

 


Re: MP TEN-WHEELER - PARIS, ARKANSAS

Gerald Hook
 

This certainly sounds like a reasonable explanation, for that time period.  But given my experiences with those _____ (fill in the blank) during my 36 year career in railroad marketing, they’ll forever be the EVIL EMPIRE to me.

 

Gerald Hook – Russellville, AR

 

-----Original Message-----
From: RS-TALON@groups.io [mailto:RS-TALON@groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Ogden
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 5:07 PM
To: RS-TALON@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Railspot] MP TEN-WHEELER - PARIS, ARKANSAS

 

MoPac was in a prolonged receivership from 1933 to 1956 (to keep the Van Sweringen Group/Allegheny Corporation from bleeding the company dry) and the “trustee” did not approve the donation of large modern locomotives.   This individual is like a bankruptcy judge and had the final say.  The Iron Mountain 635/MoPac 2707 was already a museum piece when donated.

 

In 1956 they absorbed the IGN and Gulf Coast Lines and diluted Allegheny Corporation’s control greatly.  Maybe after 1957 if they still had steam we might could have seen a donation.  Allegheny was always looking for cash to raid.

 

Jim Ogden

Argyle, Texas

 

 

 

 


Re: MP TEN-WHEELER - PARIS, ARKANSAS

Jim Ogden
 

MoPac was in a prolonged receivership from 1933 to 1956 (to keep the Van Sweringen Group/Allegheny Corporation from bleeding the company dry) and the “trustee” did not approve the donation of large modern locomotives. This individual is like a bankruptcy judge and had the final say. The Iron Mountain 635/MoPac 2707 was already a museum piece when donated.

In 1956 they absorbed the IGN and Gulf Coast Lines and diluted Allegheny Corporation’s control greatly. Maybe after 1957 if they still had steam we might could have seen a donation. Allegheny was always looking for cash to raid.

Jim Ogden
Argyle, Texas


Re: Southern Forest Heritage Museum

Tom Roise
 

Amen Dennis !!

Tom Roise


On May 18, 2021, at 1:43 PM, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:

Everett, you are the museum's top promoter!
You are to be commended for keeping us informed about this work in progress--and for your hard work there.


Re: Southern Forest Heritage Museum

Everett Lueck
 

Hard work it may be, but preserving history is not only work but lots of fun.  Along the way I have been privileged to meet and work with a lot of better people than myself and learn from them.  

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 01:43:16 PM CDT, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:


Everett, you are the museum's top promoter!
You are to be commended for keeping us informed about this work in progress--and for your hard work there.


Re: Southern Forest Heritage Museum

Dennis Hogan
 

Everett, you are the museum's top promoter!
You are to be commended for keeping us informed about this work in progress--and for your hard work there.


Re: Southern Forest Heritage Museum

Everett Lueck
 

Several other books are available on the website, including several by Dr. Barnett on various phases of logging and forestry operations, as well as a pair of books on the Red River and Gulf Railroad, and its currently being cosmetically restored, 4-6-0 locomotive #106.

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 01:30:51 PM CDT, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:


It seems that they have upgraded their website:
Southern Forest Heritage Museum

Check out their online archival collections including railroad photographs:
SFHM online archives


Re: Southern Forest Heritage Museum

Everett Lueck
 

We have been busy of late with a new director and much increased activity on the site as well as the website.  
For more information as to what is going on with the museum railroad specifically,  go to this website:


and click on the work sessions tab and you will be able to see what our small group of volunteers has been able to achieve.  

We urge  you to come and join us.

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 01:30:51 PM CDT, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:


It seems that they have upgraded their website:
Southern Forest Heritage Museum

Check out their online archival collections including railroad photographs:
SFHM online archives


Re: Camp Claiborne LA

Everett Lueck
 

This book was written by three employees of the Kisatchie National Forest.  At the time Lisa Lewis was the Ranger in charge of the Kisatchie Unit, Doug Rhodes was her assistant, and James Barnett was a scientist emeritus.   Now, Lisa is the Forest Supervisor for the KNF, Doug is the Executive Director of the Southern Forest Heritage Museum and Jim is the Secretary-Treasurer of the Museum.

Bound copies of the book may be obtained from the Museum website; http://www.forestheritagemuseum.org   and there is a Camp Claiborne History center at the museum, which features exhibits on the Claiborne-Polk Military Railroad.  The museum is located in Long Leaf, which is about 8 miles south of the main gate of Camp Claiborne which is on US 165, north of Forest Hill, LA.


On Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 01:18:36 PM CDT, Dennis Hogan <denmeg_hogan@...> wrote:


If you have an interest in WW2, the Louisiana Maneuvers, and Camp Claiborne specifically,
here's a history (in pdf) put together by the U.S. Forest Service:
Camp Claiborne LA

The Railway Operating Battalions are featured.
 


Southern Forest Heritage Museum

Dennis Hogan
 

It seems that they have upgraded their website:
Southern Forest Heritage Museum

Check out their online archival collections including railroad photographs:
SFHM online archives


Re: Camp Claiborne LA

Dennis Hogan
 

The Camp Claiborne History Center and Museum has a featurette on the railroad:
Camp Claiborne Railroad


Camp Claiborne LA

Dennis Hogan
 

If you have an interest in WW2, the Louisiana Maneuvers, and Camp Claiborne specifically,
here's a history (in pdf) put together by the U.S. Forest Service:
Camp Claiborne LA

The Railway Operating Battalions are featured.
 


Re: MP TEN-WHEELER - PARIS, ARKANSAS

Everett Lueck
 

Iron Mountain 4-6-0 # 625, which became MP 2707 survives at the National Museum of Transport outside St. Louis

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021, 09:45:13 AM CDT, texaszephyr <texaszephyr@...> wrote:


Yes, the one in Paris was the only MP steamer that survives today.

It’s a shame that they didn’t donate one of their home built 4-8-4s to North Little Rock or Sedalia. Sedalia wanted on really bad for display at the Missouri State Fairgrounds but when the MP refused they approached the Frisco. That’s why there is a Frisco steamer there in spite of the Frisco never served Sedalia.

TZ


On May 18, 2021, at 8:10 AM, Gerald Hook <gah333br@...> wrote:



Re the attached newspaper article in today’s Fort Smith Times-Record:

 

Is this the only MISSOURI PACIFIC steam locomotive left in captivity?

 

Gerald Hook – Russellville, AR

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